Appropriate Corporal Punishment to Stop Young People Smoking.

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Apr 03, 2010#1
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Do we tell them that:
Smoking is an addiction. You can’t just give it up when you feel like it. Some people, just a few, do manage to, but lots and lots more cannot. They try, but they cannot. When you are addicted, nicotine and smoke become part of your body, you cannot function without them.

Do we ever warn them that
Death is likely to occur at a time when you will be in love: this means you may have a family. You dying early will be a disadvantage to your children. When you begin to know that you are dying, you will feel a great loss – you will not live to see your children grow up. You dying will stunt them emotionally. They will be very sad that you are dying, depending on how mature they are, their stability will be shaken by losing you their parent so soon.

Smoking in the Family Home, causes health hazard for your partner, and your children. Because they have to breath in the smoke you exhale, they are at risk too. Not as much as you, but about 25%. That is they are at risk even though they do not smoke.

Do we warn them again and again
Smoking is an addiction. You can’t just give it up when you feel like it. Some people, just a few, do manage to, but lots and lots more cannot. They try, but they cannot. When you are addicted, nicotine and smoke become part of your body, you cannot function without them.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Recently I was introduced by a friend, to his daughter Sandra (not her real name) and family. Sandra lives in a reasonable family home, with her husband and children. In these hard times, she has recently started another job, 2 evenings a week. Also, her husband works a Saturday, when he can, just so the family has a little cash to make life interesting. Nothing unusual about that!

But Sandra also smokes! She is 40ish, and smokes 20 to 50 a day. That is £10 a day minimum, probably £100 a week, £5000, £10,000 a year ….. The house stinks of tobacco, the children hate it, the husband hates it, the cat hates it, and all the paintwork is darkened by the brown tinge of nicotine.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

Elsewhere on this Forum, “Jenny” has said of her experiences of being caned, that had she been given Six-of-the-Best the first time she was caned for smoking, it may well have stopped her, before she became an established smoker. Instead she had a less severe 4, which all though it did hurt, did not make sufficient impression on her to change her mind.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Amber on 3/30/10
Where I went, a suburban high school near Dallas, students who elect
corporal punishment over Sat school make an “appointment” with a
designated coach by entering their name on a sign-up sheet in the PE
office. There is a male and female designated coach. Available times
include before and after school and lunch.

Students generally get 3 licks for minor infractions like tardies or
cell phones, and 5 licks for more serious infractions like tobacco.
These can be pretty serious paddlings. I got 5 licks for smoking in
11th grade. That was 7 years ago and when I smell cigarette smoke, my ass still hurts!
I haven’t smoked since.

It was probably the most appropriate punishment I ever received and if used routinely on high school kids who smoke, would probably literally save lives.
Call me old school at age 24, but I think the best thing that could
happen to education would be to have a well used paddle hanging on the wall of every high school classroom.

Now I know that some of you will say you were canned 10 to 20 times for smoking while at school, and each time it was a proper six, and it really really hurt ….. but it never stopped you from smoking.

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Declan
Apr 03, 2010#2
Toby-John

An interesting post, and I certainly think the threat of a caning is far more of a deterrent than all the stop messages we get. One thing, cigarettes cost between £4.50 and £6.50 for 20 , not £10 but it is still very expensive.

I never smoked at school not for fear of the cane , but simply that I didn’t smoke. The punishments though, were an automatic caning if you were caught. Usually two on the hand or four for repeat offenders. And there were certainly many repeat offenders, to the extent that some boys must have been caned twenty times during their school careers, so either smoking was so addictive or they could cope with the pain.

Hardly any girls smoked , which is odd seeing that more girls smoke today than boys. It is quite possible that the girls had a better hiding place and therefore were hardly ever caught. Canings took place in private so we did not always know who had been caned or not.I only know of three or four girls who were caned for smoking ( the fourth one denied she had been caned when a boy asked her, but she probably was- it was not something you were proud of)

The cane clearly had a deterrent effect for those that didn’t smoke , but less so for those that did.
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KKxyz
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Apr 03, 2010#3
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Locally, in the old days, smoking at school or in school uniform carried an automatic penalty of four strokes of the cane, boys only of course as girls were not caned in those benighted days. Very few women smoked at that time and certainly not in public. I can’t ever remember any smoking canings at all. Few kids started until they left school.

Nowadays only the very stupid start smoking and only the immoral supply tobacco to the young. I very much doubt if those not deterred by the dreadful penalties of smoking will be much affected by the threat of immediate pain even if it were allowed. There could be some advantage in displacing tobacco from schools. Those that provide tobacco to the young for financial gain deserve something worse than caning. Perhaps they should be cast into a pit of burning tobacco?
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StevefromSE5
Apr 03, 2010#4
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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If we all stop smoking YOUR income tax will be up to 30p in the pound straight away, or VAT will hit 30%.

We should be encouraging everyone to smoke 5 or 6 a day in fact.

And, as an easy way to cut down, for Sandra, only smoke half of it at a time.

I’ve now been doing that for 5 weeks & have reduced from 20-22 a day to 9 or 10 without one day’s lapse.

OK, my sun room is effectively a £6k smoking room, but Sarah & the cats can choose not to inhale, either, though 2 of mine always fly out there with me for some passive smoking.

Steve
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holyfamilypenguin
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Apr 03, 2010#5
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Toby-John: I dealt with this issue by using Winona Missouri corporal punishment policy. You can simply Google: Winona corporal punishment and see their matrix. Two issues were raised: the first one is detecting who has the pack and the other one why not tobacco cessation programs? I modified the code and corporally punished for all subsequent offenses with reduction by paricipation in programs. It is a sticky wicket. This fall I intend to revise for the ensuing year so I value any advice that anyone from this estimable Forum would deem applicable.

By way of anecdote (I hope you don’t mind my digressions) I held several positions (including a state wide position) as a volunteer in the American Cancer Society. Volunteers are grouped between three categories: service (like driving to treatment facilities called road to recovery. I was not involved in SERVICE with women predominately dealing with breast cancer. and the other two I alternated years with PUBLIC EDUCATION where we were given percentage goals of reaching out with a greater percentage for youth (captive audience because of schools) and adults (less accessible). I resigned for I was once involved in CRUSADE (i.e. fund raising door to door). Guess what? Many volunterrs then got paid.

The state adds a twenty five cent tax a pack for education and cessation programs (Great American Smokeout) and what do they do with it? Now there free to spend it any way they want for taxes raised can be spent anyway the legislators want to. The newest political alliance (against taxes) is called the Tea Party. We all know the biggest addiction is the state (Money).

Now picture this I’m the youngest president of the unit and we are meeting in a hospital conference room in the seventies and I gavel meetings stricly at the hour so members can go to the smoking area set aside in the hospital.

Bottom line. Nicotine is an addiction meant to be controlled (smoking areas) and will never be eliminated. Paddle their asses off until they get the point or jail them during free periods (t-room) ot Saturday detention. Don’t ask Dr Freud why woman smoke more then men? Ask Grouch Marx. Some times a cigar is just a cigar.
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JennyBr
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Apr 03, 2010#6
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Toby-John

Excellent post, you make some very good points.

The detrimental effects of smoking are becoming more widely known and that knowledge seems to be having some effect. It’s just a gut felling but I’m sure, when I was younger, most adults smoked (men more than women) but nowadays the reverse seems true – most adults don’t smoke but more women smoke than men.

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each.

I haven’t bought UK priced cigarettes for years (I buy mine elsewhere in Europe) but, as Declan says, they’re between £4.50 and £6.50 (£7.00?) for twenty. Hand rolling tobacco is about £11.00 for 50 grams. The price varies across Europe but, roughly speaking, cigarettes are about £3.50 for twenty and tobacco about £5.00 for 50 grams depending on the exchange rate at the time.

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

I sometimes take a short trip abroad just to buy my cigarettes. The savings more than pay for the trip. I do agree with your point though.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

That is one of the consequences of not caning girls. I given something like that as an example of how this works against girls. If a group of boys and girls were caught smoking, the boys might be caned and go on to complete their education – A’ Levels, Uni etc. while the girls (exempt from the cane) are expelled or suspended, thereby ruining their education and leaving them to pursue a career in “shelf stacking” or “burger flipping.”

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

It could have tried harder instead of just ruining her chances by expelling her.

There were several factors involved there. It was just before the summer holidays so, although I was very careful not to be caught for the remainder of the term, I then had 6 weeks during which I could smoke with relative impunity. By the time I returned to school, I’d developed the habit, if not an actual addiction.

Instead she had a less severe 4, which all though it did hurt, did not make sufficient impression on her to change her mind.

It might have worked if I had it earlier in the year rather than just before a long holiday. The usual punishment, for first time smokers, was four strokes and there wouldn’t have been any obvious reason to deviate from that in my case.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

I didn’t think so at the time but, now, I wish she had tried that.

This is something others have noticed too, the cane didn’t appear to stop already established smokers – it tended just to make us more careful. I think the threat of the cane definitely discouraged some from starting and, even if that’s all it did, it was a good thing. It does seem to have worked in “Amber’s” and “Lisa’s” cases though. Strange that you’ve found two girls it worked for when, according to some, it’s not likely to be effective on girls. For the record, from personal experience as a girl on the receiving end, it imparts a rather unpleasant sensation on us too!

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I think it was a bit of both. We can’t ignore the addiction element but I think the “battle of wills” played a part. Smoking by adults was quite acceptable in those days so, to some extent, it was something for us to aspire to – it was part of being seen as an adult.
Declan

Hardly any girls smoked , which is odd seeing that more girls smoke today than boys. It is quite possible that the girls had a better hiding place and therefore were hardly ever caught.

That’s very odd although, as you say, they might just have been better at not getting caught. There is also the possibility that, even at schools where girls were, theoretically, liable to be caned, teachers might turn a blind eye to offences committed by girls – other posters here have given examples of that.

At my school, it seemed about equal numbers of boys and girls smoked and I put that down to the fact that we both faced exactly the same punishment if caught. I know, in some schools, far more girls smoked than boys but, as girls were effectively exempt from punishment, that didn’t seem surprising.
KK

Locally, in the old days, smoking at school or in school uniform carried an automatic penalty of four strokes of the cane, boys only of course as girls were not caned in those benighted days. Very few women smoked at that time and certainly not in public.

What era was that? As I said above, my impression was that, although girls were more likely to smoke than boys, fewer adult women seemed to smoke. If women tended not to smoke in public, that might explain why fewer of them seemed to smoke.

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Chirob
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Apr 03, 2010#7
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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I don’t support cp at school period. But if you caught someone smoking their first few cigs it might work. After they are hooked it’s too late. All the beatings will do no good. Nicotine is harder than Heroin to quit. I quit years ago and I still want one sometimes.
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StevefromSE5
Apr 03, 2010#8
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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JENNY TOBY-JOHN KK & BOB

What we are all missing is the one trick that WILL stop young people smoking.

Get terminally uncool people to make a Start Smoking-NOW! video.

Seriously, how difficult would it be? Prince Charles, John Prescott & Robbie Williams come to mind in this country.

Not so sure about the US, but you will know a few, Bob.

Is it worth a try or not? Kids DO tend to follow role models slavishly at the age we are aiming at-which is now around 8 to 12.

So, why not a little reverse psychology? Do you think smoking’s cool-do you REALLY want to end up talking to plants or shafting your diary secretary when not breaking toilet seats?

Steve M
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c.farrell
Apr 03, 2010#9
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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No kind of punishment is going to stop people smoking. Probably the more you go on about it how wrong and dangerous it is, the more kids will want to rebel and try it out. What the threat of being sent to the head’s study (= automatic caning) did do (it worked for me) was stop boys from smoking in school uniform, whether on or off the premises. It certainly caused me to make sure I only smoked in secret places outside school hours and out of uniform. Which is about as much as you can expect, really.
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JennyBr
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Apr 03, 2010#10
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi c.farrell

No kind of punishment is going to stop people smoking. Probably the more you go on about it how wrong and dangerous it is, the more kids will want to rebel and try it out.

I’ve heard something similar before, that one reason smoking is so attractive to young people is that it’s an adult activity jealously guarded by adults. Adults (did) enjoy smoking and took great steps (the cane) to prevent young people sharing that enjoyment. If adults hadn’t made such a big thing of young people smoking, it might not have been so attractive.

What the threat of being sent to the head’s study (= automatic caning) did do (it worked for me) was stop boys from smoking in school uniform, whether on or off the premises.

It only stopped my friends and me doing it where we were likely to be seen. If it hadn’t have been for the threat of the cane, we wouldn’t have bothered to do it secretly.

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Another_Lurker
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Apr 04, 2010#11
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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As someone who has never had a cigarette in his lips, let alone smoked one, I am perhaps not well qualified to comment here. I can however understand that corporal punishment (when it was available) was unlikely to deter serious smokers. What I can’t fathom is how those starting to smoke can ignore the financial implications. Even as a boy these were quite obvious to me. And they are far worse now. Around here (where admittedly house prices are not excessively high) any half serious life-long smoker buying at supermarket prices will have smoked a three bedroom house by the time they draw their state pension – and if they venture very much over 20 a day it could verge on a nice 4 bed detached!
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tobyjohn
Apr 04, 2010#12
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Jenny

Can you remember why you, as a young person, started to smoke?

Did the fact that it was against school rules make any difference?

Before you started smoking, were you aware that girls and boys in your school were caned when they were caught smoking? Assuming you did know, how did that affect you in your decision to start smoking?

Did your parents tell you not to start smoking? Did your Dad threaten you with a dose of his belt if he found you were smoking?

What dangers of smoking were you warned of ?? Did you think these warning were true ?

Toby-John
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holyfamilypenguin
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Apr 04, 2010#13
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Teacher Chatboard:

I noticed the recent date and the fact that five swat testimonials from girls other than for smoking seem non-existent. Also, in sub-zero Farenheit smokers can be found with their backs against the outside wall of work. Learning to control it just for those days may be a help for Mary’s future. Maybe this three limit is for the birds?

On 9/20/09, Mary wrote:

I got paddled in 11th grade for smoking. Those 5
licks of the paddle taught me more than anything
alse ever could have, even a year of Saturday detention.
I’m in college now and every time I smell cigarette smoke, my butt aches.
I’ll never smoke again I’m sure–that paddling may have
roasted my back side, but saved my lungs and life!

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StevefromSE5
Apr 04, 2010#14
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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In reply to Another_Lurker’s economics.

If I assume an average of 21 day prior to cutting down, I was spending, in an average month of 30.4167 days(of which we have a lot, you’ll notice!!), at £54.00 per 200 pack

£172.80

Now, staying at the present 9 a day, AND that includes yesterday’s trauma of the well-dodgy offside at Old Trafford, in the same average month, the cost will be

£57.54

Steve
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Another_Lurker
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Apr 04, 2010#15
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Steve. You said:

that includes yesterday’s trauma of the well-dodgy offside at Old Trafford

Yes, I happened to see that at a friend’s house. Even with my limited knowledge of the game I could see it was well offside. I don’t know where the officials were looking, but it certainly wasn’t at the play!

Economics: The only cigarettes I’m familiar with are those that I sometimes pick up for someone else. As it is always a last minute request to get them they are brought at a corner shop or garage on the way to visit said smoker. They’ve just gone up from £6·15 to £6·38 for 20. At 20 a day that’s £2328·70 in a normal year. The tax on them is set to rise at inflation plus 2% from 2011 until 2014, and in view of the state of the country’s finances I don’t see that altering much thereafter for many years, unless it goes up even further!

I have suggested to said smoker buying in bulk, buying from abroad, etc. I’ve even offered to store them to avoid the temptation to over-indulge, none of which has apparently offered an acceptable alternative to buying them daily.

At nine a day you hardly even register as a smoker on my man’s scale. He’s been up at 60 a day in the past. And just to confound the health aspects, he can, and has, bust those airflow monitoring sliding tube things doctors use!

Sadly though, I’ve got to dispute your maths!

I’ll stick with your 30·4167 day month.

You say you are now smoking 9 per day.

So that’s 30·4167 × 9 cigs per month = 273·75 cigs per month.

And you say they cost £54 per 200.

So that’s a cost of (273·75 ÷ 200) × £54 per month

Which is £73·91 per month, not £57·54 as you say.

Sorry about that, but I’ve learnt by bitter experience that cigarette smoke has a strange effect on mathematical ability where any calculation involving the cost of cigarettes is involved!
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JennyBr
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Apr 05, 2010#16
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Toby-John

Can you remember why you, as a young person, started to smoke?

I can’t really remember at what point I became “a smoker.” I remember having a few puffs on a cigarette at a party and then, later, one of my friends had some cigarettes at school so a few of us sneaked off with her and had a few puffs. It became a bit of a regular thing – until we got caught. Shortly after that there was the summer holiday, during which I could smoke with impunity – and did. I also had friends at other schools where, de facto, girls were allowed to smoke so I tended to smoke when I was with them. It just took hold from there.

Did the fact that it was against school rules make any difference?

I don’t think it made much difference but there was the added “thrill” of the risk taking.

It was no secret that several boys and girls had been caned for being caught smoking so we were all well aware of what we’d get if we were caught. I don’t think that knowledge had much effect on my decision to smoke because I didn’t think we’d be caught but it did make us very careful not to be caught. Obviously not careful enough though.

Did your parents tell you not to start smoking? Did your Dad threaten you with a dose of his belt if he found you were smoking?

I can’t remember my parents saying anything about smoking to me. I feel sure they must have done but I can’t say what it was.

What dangers of smoking were you warned of ?? Did you think these warning were true?

Just the usual health warning type things but we didn’t take it seriously then.

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Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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I wrote in part:

Jenny replied:

This was not very long ago – 1950s & 1960s. For most of human history, in most societies, men and women had different roles mainly determined by the requirements of child bearing and rearing. Only with the advent of effective birth control did things change although the trend towards equality did start with manpower (sic) shortages during WW2 and probably occured at other times in history.

I agree that gender stereotyping went too far and that it disadvantaged humanity when practiced to extreme. I further agree that it disadvantaged non-stereotypical individuals.

I agree that the behaviour of a few present day females is very poor and as bad as that of some males.

I do not agree that males and females are the same and should always be treated identically.

Locally, females have only started smoking more than males in the last few years (10?). The females who do smoke tend to be less educated and low income.

Jenny, your point of view might carry more weight if you had a better understanding of how things were and why.
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tobyjohn
Apr 05, 2010#18
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hello Everybody

Apologies for my poor Maths !

I had done a bit of research in local Supermarkets, and bigies like Tesco, and asked addicted friends, and come up with the notion that ciggies cost about £5 a packet. I know, honest I do know, that a packet nowadays has 20 “Smokes” (though I do remember buying pkts of 10, and even pkts of 5 when I was a teenager – my favourite was 10 – see below) .

Anyway, having done all this research, and worked out all the calculations, I forgot that for the sake of easy Maths, I had assumed 10 to a packet, and was going to divide everything by 2 at the end.

But Forgot. Sorry

I think this is a serious offence, as my calculations appeared in public, so a serious punishment maybe appropriate?

3 Hour Detention ?
or 3 swats ?

Toby-John

I used to buy 10s, because the empty packet could easily be made into an Army Tank.
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tobyjohn
Apr 05, 2010#19
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hello American Way

Please start by telling us non-Americans what age students are who attend High School, and does everyone go to High School, or is it only for students who have gained entrance by achieving academic grades?

Are the non achievers, the lazy at school, now likely to have joined the employment queues, or does everyone go to High-School as parts of statutory education ?

THE REMAINDER of my question depends quite a bit on who is at High School, but I will proceed anyway:

I am surprised that the most serious punishment is “just” Expulsion, and preceded by “just” 10 days Suspension.

If a student wants out of High-School, insulting a Teacher, or selling a few beers, could be an easy way out.
But if Suspension and Expulsion are always combined with a few swats .. personal accountability comes in, and may discourage such silly behaviour.

In your text you also say:

Two issues were raised: the first one is detecting who has the pack and the other one why not tobacco cessation programs?

I read somewhere else on this forum, that punishment was applied to a whole group at a school, even if just one in the group was found to have ciggies. This seems reasonable to me, friends should not associate with smokers, or at least make sure that no ciggies are being carried by anyone in the group. This would also cover a group discovered smoking, punish the whole group, even if only one is smoking.

A head master I spoke to about 30 years ago used to cane boys found fighting, and cane everybody watching too! This was a boys Grammer, no girls to consider.

Please describe what you mean by a “Tobacco Cessation Program”. Surely “cessation” is what we are trying to achieve all the time, and sometimes have to use Corporal Punishment as the tool.

Toby-John

Your references to Winona High School, surely comes close to identifying who you are ? Is this wise? or are you using Winona itself as a Nom-de-Plume ?

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Apr 05, 2010#20
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi KK

I asked: What era was that? As I said above, my impression was that, although girls were more likely to smoke than boys, fewer adult women seemed to smoke. If women tended not to smoke in public, that might explain why fewer of them seemed to smoke.

This was not very long ago – 1950s & 1960s.

OK, that’s a little earlier than when I was at school.

I agree that gender stereotyping went too far and that it disadvantaged humanity when practiced to extreme. I further agree that it disadvantaged non-stereotypical individuals.

I believe any gender stereotyping is harmful to society be because it prevents individuals achieving their full potential. Also, it always tends to be absolute with no flexibility to allow for individual differences.

I agree that the behaviour of a few present day females is very poor and as bad as that of some males.

You’re starting there with the assumption that men’s behaviour is generally worse than that of women. It could just as well be said the some men behave as badly as women. You don’t seem to know what we can be like when we feel completely unfettered. You might have seen groups of drunken “ladettes” on a Saturday night but, in general, their behaviour is quite tame compared to what I’ve seen when there aren’t any men around. From what I’ve seen on TV “reality programs” it seems most of their excesses are edited out.

I do not agree that males and females are the same and should always be treated identically.

Why not? Why should one have more rights or freedom than the other when the only difference is their sex? I can accept their biological needs are different in a few respects but, apart from those few exceptions, I see no reason for men and women to not be treated the same.

Locally, females have only started smoking more than males in the last few years (10?). The females who do smoke tend to be less educated and low income.

What do you mean by “locally”? Are you in the UK? I accept it might not hold true everywhere but my impression is that teenage girls of my era (and today) were more likely to smoke than teenage boys and I put forward a suggestion why that might be so – girls were less likely to be punished if caught. I based that on my observation that, at my school where both boys and girls faced the same punishment if caught, the numbers seemed about equal. I’ve since learned other factors are involved and, even when faced with the same punishment, teenage girls are still more likely to smoke.

Jenny, your point of view might carry more weight if you had a better understanding of how things were and why.

I think I have a very good understanding of how things were during my time at school – I was there. I also have a good idea of how things were at other schools, from talking to people who attended other schools. At my school, both sexes benefited from a reasonably disciplined environment. I very much doubt any of us there would have done as well in a school where half the pupils were allowed to do much as they pleased.

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Apr 05, 2010#21
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Toby-John

I can’t agree with that. Why should everyone present be punished because, unknown to them, one of their number breaks a rule? Would you expect them to all search each other immediately upon meeting to ensure none was carrying cigarettes or other prohibited items?

This would also cover a group discovered smoking, punish the whole group, even if only one is smoking.

That’s a different scenario. If one of a group is smoking, the others are aware of that and are quite likely to be participating in some way – even if not actually smoking at the precise moment they’re spotted.

A head master I spoke to about 30 years ago used to cane boys found fighting, and cane everybody watching too! This was a boys Grammer, no girls to consider.

I wonder what he would have done in a co-ed school. I can well imagine the (female) combatants, together with any girls cheering them on, getting a mild telling and any boy spectating, or even in the vicinity, being caned. Some of us will know of schools where that actually happened.

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holyfamilypenguin
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Apr 05, 2010#22
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Toby-Jihn:

You can’t buy tobacco legally while you are of school age. 13 to 17 but maybe 18 when you can buy legally and share with your younger friends. Perilously close distinction between avoiding and finking when it comes to your mate smoking. You’re singling out by ostracizing. school is a parent/student venture and the teachers decide what they accept or not in classroom or school building. An ISS suspension involves working in a classroom with teachers giving learning projects wile OSS at home if the school thinks the kid needs to be away from that enviroment.

Most city ior town or county have behavioral problem schooling so when you see expulsion it doesn’t mean out on the street. Counselors work with the parents. Saturday detention is the way to go but there is some unfairness there. Kids with jobs and extracuricular suffer more than those who just don’t care. No perfect system.

Parents have to take care and are legally enforced (food-clothing-shelter for their children to the age of emancipation around 18. The kids that drop out are usually back for an equivalency diploma which is look down upon unless you want to join the service ever in need of bodies. Even with a high school diploma it mean a fries no fries fast food job takeout. In this economy even that that looks good.

Tobacco like pills, nicotine patch or hypnotism are involved in cessation. All dicey because they are minors. Counseling for prevention and cessation are involved as well.

Personal responsibility with compound punishment makes sense (non-CP plus suspension and expulsion) but has never been a part of the practice for paddling is suppose to prevent missing time. Nancy had both ends a half day Saturday detention and three relatively typical swats from what I gather from reading trutv correspondences.

Immigrants (more likely to be upper mobile) while those on the dole for generations often enter the prison revolving doors. Schools principals off is usually one step from the court house. A random search found Winona MO code of conduct before it became a part of the thorough collection of Corpun’s list of student handbooks. MO has excellent records and warns the parents about bruising. It also puts a ceiling of six swats. New Mexico recently was mentioned as practicing CP and that’s the only state that sensible requires instruction on how to use it.
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mimi
Apr 05, 2010#23
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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A trip around a cancer ward would be more efective than any punishment?
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Guest
Apr 05, 2010#24
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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I started – and stopped- smoking at an early age. Whilst still at primary school, I and one of my best friends decided to try smoking. My Dad didn’t smoke, but frequently entertained business clients at home. He had a large box of cigarettes in the lounge for such occasions, with an appropriate mixture of types. We though a couple of ciggies ‘walking’ wouldn’t be noticed……….

He however noticed, and formed a plan.My Dad spoke to and got the agreement of my friend’s father He replaced the usual cigarettes with ‘ Capstan full strength’ a particularly strong cigarette. He then waited until the two of us took a couple and went into the woodland at the bottom of our garden to smoke them.He followed us, and on finding us told us if we were such big strong men then we would have no trouble in smoking an entire cigarette each. Of course we were both sick as dogs , and speaking for myself it was lifelong effective aversion therapy.

Later on , as I have written elsewhere in this forum, (June 27th 5.31pm , 2009 thread/1240333465 (Headmaster or Principal vs Teacher & Strokes or Swats maximum?),I was punished for buying cigarettes for my girlfriend. Schools took the mere possession of tobacco as a hanging offence, and no second chances; parents normally agreed. This despite in those days a legal possession age of 16.

Doubtless what my father did to us at such an early age would today be fashioned as child abuse. All I can say if it was ruthless, it was also effective. He had undergone the same treatment when he was young , and stayed a non smoker!

At my school six of the best was the norm. My view? It deterred first timers, but not those already chemically ‘hooked’, but was seen as a very important deterrent and a good piece of local PR. The school wanted to discourage pupils from smoking or buying cigarettes in public (image). In the sixth form you were allowed to smoke in the common room, which some saw as hypocritical .
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Ketta1
Apr 09, 2010#25
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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The law extends to the age a person can purchase tobacco, was there a legal age at which a person could smoke, I don’t think there was, then, or today,this always seems to raise some confusion. The majority of schools didn’ t follow leniency smoking and being in possession were quite high on the list of caning offences.

Although I never smoked, I did get caught in possession but avoided the penalty by quick thinking. The cane in my eyes never acted as deterrent, cigarettes being addictive. For those who did smoke it was a case of being vigilant and unfortunate if caught , and that’s what got you caned, getting caught , breaking the rule that said you don’t smoke here, or to and from school. There were no accompanying lectures to the benefit for not smoking , or why the no smoke rule existed out of the classroom,

Health and safety weren’t born as we know it today, not many school burnt to the ground, well one, twice but that wasn’t a result of smoking, Teachers hardly set by example as they emerged back to the classroom from the haze of a staffroom, with similarities to a London smog, lingering smell of tobacco in the classroom, must have wetted the appetite and encouraged the smoking brigade to light up again at the first available break.

Understandably like forbidden fruit it’s no wonder so many fell to temptation early, smoking was fashionable among our peers, magazines, newspapers ran glamorous smoking adds, if you were lucky enough to have access to a TV you grew up seeing ads similar to these, albeit these look a bit Americanised HERE.

And growing up was all about testing boundaries and acting like you were older than you were, now it’s the other way round, we all want to younger,

Remember those errands to fetch an adult, teachers included, a packet of woodbines or a couple of loose ciggies, shop keepers turning a blind eye. At primary school, young as we were there was always one or more who sneaked the odd cigarette from their peers packet on the pretence they were just picking out those now highly collectable cigarette cards, swaps or flicks in the playground as we called it, football, cricket idles of the day, Steve will remember posting my idle L.B. – how much is a copy worth on ebay, Julie Brown Loves Captain Cook sold only 300 copies

At Senior school there was always a line up of the regular dedicated smokers outside the heads office, mainly boys, fewer girls, maybe girls were more discreet in their activities or more careful. I would say at co-ed school we had our fair share of female smokers , when I moved to a girls only school, being only boarders we had less opportunity of smoking out of school, less chance of addiction, getting tobacco in was risky, and pocket money a pitance v the price of a packet of ciggies.

A couple of linksHERE. and HERE. show some very inconclusive studies among school smokers.

Ketta

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StevefromSE5
Apr 09, 2010#26
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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KETTA

Smoking at MGS was so bad, they had to build in a mezzonine floor with skylight windows provided, which were permanently open.

And that was the bloody staff room!!!!! Talk about Pour Encourager Les Autres!

I couldn’t have given a toss about the consequences before & after getting caught. I knew if Moody got me a 2nd time I’d be expelled, so the zero tolerance to smoking policy simply taught me to lie like mad.

Great example, eh?

As far as I remember, you could buy cigarettes from 14 legally, and not smoke them legally until you were 16. But I didn’t look it up at the time.

It was just my bad luck to have a Father who’d packed up from 40 a day & a Mum who’d packed up from 20 a day. So, you can see you have to be a complete bloody idiot or someone who enjoys it to’ve been smoking in those circumstances for 44 years come July.

And, A_L, if you are reading this & want to calculate the cost, you’ll need to average the price over those years, but, if you want to:

1966-1971:Usually Players No 6, which were 2s 9d for 20 on average, or 13.5p(?) for younger readers!! In those days, I smoked around 8 a day.

1971-date:Marlboro; I’d guess average £2.50 for 20 over that time. I’d guess the average consumption would be 15 a day over that time.

Steve
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Apr 09, 2010#27
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Steve. If you don’t mind I won’t do your ciggie calculation. At that sort of consumption level I doubt if smoking has ever caused you any financial problems, and it’s financial problems that led to my interest in smoking. Below 20 a day you don’t even appear on the radar screen, I’m used to dealing with way beyond that level.

Sadly when kids start out smoking they have no way of knowing how addicted they’ll become and what consumption they’ll reach. That’s why I’d support, and indeed did support, any measures to discourage children from taking it up, including caning where available and appropriate.

Like many people who have never smoked at all I’ve no objection to smoking per se, though with the stuff they put in cigarettes now that affects the eyes (possibly ammonia, which apparently increase nicotine absorption and hence addiction) I don’t allow cigarettes in my car. Bring a GOOD cigar though and you’re welcome to ride for as long as you like! In general it’s the one-time smokers who’ve given up who join the rabid anti-smoking brigade.
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Apr 10, 2010#28
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Hi Ketta

The law extends to the age a person can purchase tobacco, was there a legal age at which a person could smoke, I don’t think there was, then, or today,this always seems to raise some confusion.

It might be 5, the same as for drinking alcohol, but I’ve never seen anything to confirm that so there might not be a minimum age for smoking.

Although I never smoked, I did get caught in possession but avoided the penalty by quick thinking.

Yes, I still laugh when I think about that story.

The cane in my eyes never acted as deterrent, cigarettes being addictive.

I think it might have deterred a few from starting. I can only remember a couple (both girls) who stopped after being caned for it, but it might just have been that they were so careful not to be caught again that none of us knew they still smoked.

At Senior school there was always a line up of the regular dedicated smokers outside the heads office, mainly boys, fewer girls, maybe girls were more discreet in their activities or more careful.

Much the same at my school but there were about equal numbers of boys and girls. At your school, did boys and girls smoke separately or together? At mine we tended to mix a lot so tended to be caught in equal numbers. Perhaps, at your school, the girls had found better hiding places.

I would say at co-ed school we had our fair share of female smokers,

Would you say the ratio (whatever it were) of male to female smoker was roughly the same as the ratio of those caned for being caught smoking?

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Ketta1
Apr 12, 2010#29
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Steve

Smoking at MGS was so bad, they had to build in a mezzonine floor with skylight windows provided, which were permanently open.

And that was the bloody staff room!!!!! Talk about Pour Encourager Les Autres!

There has to be perks in every job, evident enough, not every packet of confiscated fags ended in the bin

Jenny

At Senior school there was always a line up of the regular dedicated smokers outside the heads office, mainly boys, fewer girls, maybe girls were more discreet in their activities or more careful.

Ours was a typical Victorian built school, surrounding playground and no extended sports grounds etc, so areas where you might not get caught were limited, boys and girls tended to kept separate council where smoking was concerned, with exceptions. The existence of a liberated key to the coal cellar was one a small group smokers had access to, mainly girls.

I would say at co-ed school we had our fair share of female smokers,

Would you say the ratio (whatever it were) of male to female smoker was roughly the same as the ratio of those caned for being caught smoking?

I’d say more boys were caned on ratio, I think it was assumed boys smoked more than girls so their groups were targeted first, which time word got around to the girls.

Boys and girls caught together would receive the same punishment but from their own gender head. Certainly more boys got caught in possession, bag searches were done randomly during lunch breaks, even matches were evidence enough to condemn you as a smoker or arsonist. Boys keep their cigarettes in packets, girls however, learnt the art and benefit of concealing individual cigs in varied and more interesting locations .

Ketta

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tobyjohn
Apr 17, 2010#30
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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This week I watched Panorama on BBC TV, it was about avoidable illnesses in children.

One issue raise is of hearing problems in young children.
The nurse treating the children said she could see in their ears, residue indicating that the child lives in a home where people smoke.

Some parents said they always went out side to smoke, but the nurse said that made little difference as the smoke clung to clothing, and would be harmful to children for about 2 hours after each cigarette. The only way to prevent this, is to have a complete change of clothing, and a shower, after every cigarette!

How could our generation have been better encouraged not to smoke?
and how can we encourage young people today not to smoke ?

Toby-John
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tobyjohn
Apr 24, 2010#31
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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In my pre-amble at the top of this thread, I included these few sentences about “Reasonable Punishment”:

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

I would like to ask again regarding repeat caning for smoking: If you were caned “6 or 12 of the very best” several times for smoking, lets say 5 times or more, or were aware of other people receiving many repetitions of punishment for smoking, and this punishment was obviously not making any difference to the offender.

It is obviously necessary for some undesirable punishment to be given, as no direct disobedience of school rules can go unpunished.

What other punishment do you consider may have been appropriate ??

Please do not include expulsion.

Thank you, Toby-John
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Apr 24, 2010#32
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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When I was in school the age of majority was 21. Many men smoked but very few women. Few if any students had steady girl/boy friends and certainly not before the 6th form. A 16 year old then was much less sophisticated and “grownup” than 16 year olds of today. Teenagers had little money. Smoking was thought to stunt your growth and not considered appropriate for children.

The standard penalty for smoking at school or in school uniform or during school hours was four of the best. It was an effective, very rarely used punishment. Very few school kids smoked. If they did smoke, it was not at school. I recall no cases of repeat offenders.

Lack of money and lack of social pressure were probably more important than deterrent punishment in delaying kids taking up smoking. It is now recognised that smoking is particularly damaging to the young so the delay had real benefits.

Other rites of passage were available. I got my first long pants at age 15 and my first watch at age 17.
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The law extends to the age a person can purchase tobacco, was there a legal age at which a person could smoke, I don’t think there was, then, or today,this always seems to raise some confusion. The majority of schools didn’ t follow leniency smoking and being in possession were quite high on the list of caning offences.

And growing up was all about testing boundaries and acting like you were older than you were, now it’s the other way round, we all want to younger,

A couple of linksHERE. and HERE. show some very inconclusive studies among school smokers.

Ketta

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N.B. Room and doom were words Corpun mentioned and “big time whuppin” is usually used by an African American. This was from the latest Teachers Chatboard. This has a ring of familiarity that makes it suspects.

Re: corporal punishment in Texas?

Posted by: EmilyTW on 8/19/10
Where I went to high school in the late 90’s, female students who
chose corporal punishment got their paddling from a designated female
coach. She was a former college tennis player with a mean forehand
who has the process of administering a hard and humiliating paddling
down to an art. I only got it once, but that was enough for me and I
will never forget it.

She would take you back to a large closet in the locker room known as
the “room of doom,” which was pretty much empty except for a paddle
hanging on the wall. She would order you to empty your pockets and
bend over with your palms against the wall in a kind of strip search
position.

Instead of just administering the paddling, she would ask what you did
to “deserve the big time whuppin’ you’re about to get?” Then she
would make sarcastic remarks like, “That was kind of dumb, wasn’t
it?” and “You do understand that was wrong and a violation of the
student code of conduct?” “You’re not going to repeat that stupidity
are you? Well, this is to make sure. Now stick your butt out and hold
that position until we’re done–5 licks should do it, but if you move
there could be more!!”

The licks were loud pops like gun shots and after each one she would
say, “We’re sure not done yet. Now stick that butt out and keep
still!”

Her lecturing didn’t stop when it was over either. She would smirk and
say, “I hope you know I don’t enjoy this a bit. I hope you understand
this was for your own good. My job is to make sure you never even
think about smoking another cigarette and with God’s help I hope I
have succeeded! You know what that does to your lungs? Its like a
knife in my heart every time I see a pretty girl like you polluting
their beautiful body with TAT and NICOTINE. That’s a temple God gave
you.”

“Well then, go ahead and squirt a few baby tears if you need to. Too
bad a 17-year old girl has got to get her butt whupped! I guess the
operative word is “girl.” You want to be treated like an adult, then
act like one! Now get on back to class within 2 minutes or you’ll be
back here . . .”

This actually turned out to be the most humiliating and painful few
minutes of my life. At the time I hated this coach and did not ever
want to see or speak to her again. Like some of the others have said,
12 years or so later, I have to admit it was probably very effective,
definitley far more than Saturday detention ever could have been.
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Jamess
Nov 02, 2011#34
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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Im gonna share this article about How to Stop Teenage Smoking..

Long-term studies show that smoking leads to many serious health conditions. It causes high blood pressure, heart attacks, different kinds of cancers, and many more, especially if people start smoking at a young age. Not to mention that nicotine is a very potent substance that causes addiction and dependency. It’s the main reason why even if people know for a fact that cigarette smoking kills, it’s still one of the most common cause of preventable deaths each year. Parents are well justified for their concern regarding teenage smoking.
Like many other teenage disciplinary issues, convincing teens to stop smoking can be a challenge. If the habit is just starting out, parents contend with this idea in teens’ heads that smoking makes them look cool and mature. There’s also the extreme peer pressure that they are often subjected to. Teens often find their need to fit in to be a lot more compelling than their fear of their parents’ anger. At times, teens even start smoking even if they don’t really want to smoke because of peer pressure. Over time, the addiction takes hold of them and they keep on smoking.
Quitting smoking is not easy for adults, so there’s no reason to believe that it will be easy for teens too. Parents cannot make that decision for teens, and they can’t always keep an eye on them, being already almost-adults. The best way to help teens quit smoking is to make them want to quit. Asserting a little authority helps, especially if they still live with you, but ultimately, it’s important to give your teen the space they need to form their own decisions and realize the repercussions of these decisions on their own lives.
Here are a few suggested punishments for teens and parenting tips in order to help stop teenage smoking:
Discuss specific house rules on smoking – Parents can have a better chance of convincing their teens to stop smoking if they also don’t smoke at home. It would also help to impose punishment for smoking or for when your teen smells like cigarette smoke. It’s also important to punish teens when you catch them with cigarettes or lighters in their possession. Whether they admit that it’s theirs or not, saying that mere possession is unacceptable and they need to take accountability for that.
Discuss laws against underage smoking – Learn what the laws are in your state regarding underage smoking and educate your teen about this too.
Be clear on the consequences – Parents can choose to restrict their teens’ access to the internet, revoke phone privileges, reduce their allowance, or set an earlier curfew if they catch their teens smoking or smelling of cigarette smoke. Discuss these rules with your teen beforehand so that they know what’s waiting for them if they wilfully disobey house rules.
Talk to your teen – Punishments for teens can only go so far. Time will come when teens will eventually grow out of their fear of being punished by parents and realize that they can smoke if they want to. The best way to dissuade teens from smoking is to talk to them. It may be a series of talks, it may take a long time, but talking to them and telling them why you’re so concerned about their smoking habits.
Talk their language – At this stage in their life, teens are very concerned about how they look, how they smell, and how people perceive them. It may be helpful to tell your teen about how teenage smoking will eventually ruin their skin, their teeth, and give them chronic halitosis. Talking to them about heart condition, cancer, emphysema and other illnesses may have an effect, but young people don’t really tend to take these seriously because they don’t feel the effects of smoking as much as older people do.
As mentioned earlier, one of the best ways to help your teen quit smoking is to not smoke yourself. If you do smoke, seeing your doctor and asking for ways to help make quitting easier for you will help. It’s also important to keep cigarettes where your teen won’t reach them, and to not smoke where they will see you. A parent’s example is a lot more compelling than their lectures will ever be.

source:http://www.troubledteens.com/teen-drug- … oking.html
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Peter
Nov 14, 2011#35
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.

Then there is the cost:
Do we warn young people about the financial cost ?

In UK cigarettes cost about 50p each. 20 a day is £10 a day. that is £70 a week, about £300 a month 365 days of the year, at £10 a day, cost £3,650 a year. That is a lot of money

what could you do with an extra £3650 every year ?

that is an extra £3650 EVERY year!

Buy a better car

Have 2 or 3 extra holidays a year ?

Live in a better house…….

Its double that if you smoke 40 a day. £7,300

60 a day? . . . that’s over £10,000 a year, and after tax, so you’d have to earn even more !!

What a waste of Money, as well as a waste of Life.

Her worried father tells me that Sandra was expelled from school in her mid teens, because she smoked.
She never completed her education.

If only the school could have helped Sandra to give up smoking before she became addicted.

She got Six-of-the-best later on, but by then she was addicted.

Surely “Six-of-the-Best” to stop a girl becoming an established smoker, is Appropriate Corporal Punishment ?

And this story of Amber (Amber is one of the “Teachers Who Paddle”) was quoted yesturday evening by American Way on the thread: “An excellent High School Paddling Story”

Was this a battle of wills ? Were you already addicted ?

I don’t think that canning for the same reason on 20 occasions is “Appropriate” Corporal Punishment at all ! If Corporal Punishment is not working, its highly inappropriate.

If a child shows no change in his or her behaviour after 3 (?) such severe canings, then some other punishment must be tried. Corporal Punishment does not work on every child.

Here is another success story, found by looking on this forum, after a search on “Smoking”:

Lisa Harrison

09/06/2007 I was caned twice at my Wiltshire (English) senior school in the mid eighties and my word it hurt.

I should have learned after my 1st smoking offence (2 on my hand) but didn’t.

I knew what was coming 2nd time and the wait outside the heads office was indescribable.

This time it was 3 on my behind and lots of tears…I no longer smoke!

Paddling or caning should be legal on both sides of the pond for society’s sake.

Smoking is such a waste of life and a waste on money, every effort should be made to prevent children from becoming smokers.

PS – mercifully I personally never liked smoking, I did try is a few times in my teens, but never enjoyed it, and easily gave it up. . . . . Toby-John

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I stopped smoking in my late twenties, after having started in my teenage years.

I don’t tell my friends how I really managed it, for reasons that will soon be apparent.

It was with corporal punishment, administered by my partner.

My smoking used to really irritate my partner.

I had bought a school tawse earlier, more because I found the idea fun in a sexy kind of way – I had never had CP at school.

I suggested, half seriously, that if I was given a few strokes each time I smoked, it might help me to give up.

To my surprise, my partner agreed – with enthusiasm.

The slightest hint that I had smoked was rewarded with six strokes.

They were excruciating and ceased to be fun very quickly.

My efforts to hide the smell weren’t nearly as effective as I had previously believed. If I smoked, I got belted.

It took about three months, but I did stop, and I haven’t smoked since (more than 10 years).

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Peter
Nov 14, 2011#36
Young people are told that smoking is bad for their health, and can cause early death.
This is of no concern to a teenager who does not think much beyond the next summer holidays ….
That the death may be slow and painful is no extra concern.