bare bottom spanking by teachers at school

i would just like to see what others think on this subject i  may of posted on this subject previously and if i have i do apologise but at school n the here in the uni ted kingdom when corporal punishment was at its height as  a parent how would you feel if your child had come home and told you that a teacher had smacked you on the bare bottom especially if you do not punish or would of dreamed of punishing your child this way just a hypothetical question maybe it would be a case they would say nothing as fearing getting into more trouble

No UK state schools applied CP across the bare bottom, well certainly not within living memory. I’d very much doubt any of the many UK private schools ever hit girls across the bare bottom although it is a fact that a few of the major English public schools did birch or cane across the bare buttocks. I believe Eton used the birch in this manner into the 1950s, perhaps even the 1960s.

Bare bottom SCP for girls is purely a fantasy. True some parents used spanking at home across both boys’ and girls’ bare bottoms but even then not as many as we are led to believe.

sixofthebest i am talking in  the sixties and seventies here i am sorry too disagree it is not a fantasy i witnessed one as i have posted and i am sure it was not a very rare event in those days by a long way

iankenrick wrote:sixofthebest i am talking in  the sixties and seventies here i am sorry too disagree it is not a fantasy i witnessed one as i have posted and i am sure it was not a very rare event in those days by a long way

Are you talking of the spanking of very young kids, 5 to 7s, infants department of a primary school? I’m sure no LEA in the UK allowed this so  it therefore had to be unofficial. I only ever remember teachers slapping the back of legs with skirt or trouser leg held up, it often left a red hand print.

This, of course, was the way many parents spanked their kids of that age back then. My wife spanked our two over her knee that way in the 1970s. For the record both my wife and I are totally against the spanking of children nowadays. Times and attitudes have changed.

Hi Six of the best,  with the greatest respect to you, I witnessed a bare bottom spanking in a Hackney school back in 1961.

Jules_Maigret wrote:Hi Six of the best,  with the greatest respect to you, I witnessed a bare bottom spanking in a Hackney school back in 1961.

I’m not really saying it didn’t happen but it must have been unofficial and far from commonplace. Back in 1961 (I was 15 then) many parents spanked that way at home so perhaps wouldn’t have been too concerned if a trusted teacher did the same. I presume the Hackney school you were referring to was a primary school (5 to 11 years old).

I have seen boys in the last year of primary school have the leg of their short trousers folded up until the lower part of their bottom cheek was exposed which was then vigorously smacked by a female teacher. I don’t know if this counts as a bare bottom spanking but it certainly happened.

bripuk wrote:I have seen boys in the last year of primary school have the leg of their short trousers folded up until the lower part of their bottom cheek was exposed which was then vigorously smacked by a female teacher. I don’t know if this counts as a bare bottom spanking but it certainly happened.

I saw that too in in my Bristol primary school in the mid 1950s. I believe it was an officially approved method as it involved no removing of clothes. I remember one occasion when a girl of about 7 received a hard slap across her thigh with her skirt held up. This happened in my class just before the end of afternoon school one day. Back then mothers collected their children on foot, few had cars back then. The mums used to wait on the footpath outside of the school gates. The girl was still very upset when she met her mother who saw the big red hand print across her daughter’s little leg. Other mums saw too my mum included. I think most thought it was a bit excessive but as far as I know nothing came of it. Back then many of the same mums probably held their sons or daughters over their knee and slapped their bare bottoms at home.

sixofthebest the spanking in 1970 i saw was in infants four to seven year old i was in my second yeart the time i was six three of the boys whe e in my year and one was in his first year those days you had the same teacher for the first two years and a different one for our last

iankenrick: what sort of school was it? My primary school in Bristol used very little spanking. Was your school a basic local authority one? Or was it church school? From what I remember it was reception class first, where some did the complete year and other only one or two term depending on their birthday. Then a different teacher each of the next two years before moving to the junior part of the school.

As far as I’ve ever known bare bottom spanking was only a parents’ punishment. I was born in 1946 and start school in 1952 in Bristol. I have to admit I’ve not a lot of personal knowledge of other parts of the country concerning SCP but have read lots of information on the subject. What do others here think?

sixofthebest it was  a infants as say from catering for   four to seven year olds it was lancashire education authority i thing was a locally run state school far as i am aware and the school is still standing and in use today to educate but obviously no smacking bare bottoms or smacking any other sort of bottom lol

iankenrick wrote:sixofthebest it was  a infants as say from catering for   four to seven year olds it was lancashire education authority i thing was a locally run state school far as i am aware and the school is still standing and in use today to educate but obviously no smacking bare bottoms or smacking any other sort of bottom lol

My primary school in Bristol is still there but my senior school has gone now with an ultra modern ‘academy’ in its place. When I used to visit family in Bristol I’d often drive past my old grammar school. The headmaster’s office was at the front of the building. I well remember visits there! The convent school my wife went to as a day girl has now gone, the entire convent site is a new housing development. Despite what you read not all convent schools used corporal punishment, hers didn’t but she had the slipper at home!

Hello six of the best,

I was somewhat surprised to see an excellent contributor like yourself  make such a sweeping and dogmatic statement as:

Bare bottom SCP for girls is purely a fantasy.

You may not have encountered or heard of a particular facet of SCP, but best always leave yourself a little wriggle room.  Even the Forum’s most notorious sceptic, who sometimes appeared to deny that girls were subjected to SCP at all, conceded that probably any SCP imaginable had actually happened somewhere at some time.

I have absolutely no doubt that in some English primary schools within my lifetime (I’m around 4 years older than you) children were sometimes spanked on the bare bottom, girls as well as boys.  There are several reports here.  Crucially though I have seen such reports in ‘local’ Forums, the sort of reports where people name schools, teachers and even pupils.  In such Forums if nobody responds with ‘what a load of rubbish’ there is I think a probability that the report is true.

It is I think improbable that girls of secondary age  suffered SCP  totally on the bare in England post the 1950s but I certainly wouldn’t absolutely deny the possibility.  I did attempt to refute the last report of this that I recall here, see the last few contributions (#10 on) in this thread,  however occasional but very reliable contributor Nero thought I was probably wrong and that the report was valid.

Hi Six of the best, I was 6/7 at the time of that incident in 1961.

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Another_Lurker wrote:Hello six of the best,

I was somewhat surprised to see an excellent contributor like yourself  make such a sweeping and dogmatic statement as:

Bare bottom SCP for girls is purely a fantasy

Firstly my apologies if anyone has taken offence. I grew up in what was a fairly normal 1950s/60s family. Just me and my widowed mum at home. I went to my local primary school then more by luck than anything else I managed to pass my 11plus exam and then went to our local grammar school. Like so many back then I never moved away from my hometown. So perhaps I am being a little naïve when talking generally of SCP all over the UK.

In my primary school the only physical punishment in the infants department, 5 – 7 years old, was a firm slap or two given across the top of the legs with short trousers or skirt held up. I didn’t happen often. In the junior part of the school, CP varied teacher to teacher, often in the classroom for boys but I can’t ever remember girls getting it. in the final year, perhaps to accustom us to senior school some of the more naughty boys were given a few strokes of a light cane across their hands. This was sometimes done in the class. Girls who really misbehaved and there were very few, were sent to the senior female teacher, a much older lady than most of our parents. She slapped their legs, hard enough to leave red marks. I was obvious well behaved or lucky as I was only whacked once by my class teacher in my last year there.

So my personal knowledge of junior school SCP was limited however I’ve read much about it generally and talked with others about it. I read many of the details about the various LEAs regulations concerning punishment too. I only knew of bare bottom spanking as an at home punishment.

Hello, Ian,
Thank you so much for your contribution.
The reality is, no, it didn’t happen, well, err, not under normal circumstances.We all know enough to clearly understand that girls received SCP. Of that there is no question. I think we all know that they got it more than we realised. The ‘norm’ was the cane on the hand from female staff. In addition, there is no doubt that they got the slipper, with the ‘norm’, on the bottom from female staff, and on occasion by male staff. But the ‘norm’ doesn’t always prevail:

We had Helston, Colin West, Robin Peverett, and Kenneth Watson. We also had The Rev John Morris at Handrcoss, who I’m utterly convinced gave ‘the whacks, according to ex-pupils on FR, on girls’ bare bottoms , on occasion, perhaps when he felt he could get away with it. He certainly pulled up their skirts. He didn’t appear to think there was too much wrong with casually wandering into the girls’   changing room while they wee in a state of undress. ”A family school,’ did he say?. i think he pulled pnties down, without doubt.

And consider this; how do we know that there wasn’t a teacher, maybe below the level of notoriety of the aforementioned, and got away with it, perhaps? Did he bare the bottom of some girl/ or girls who were simply far too embarrassed to come forward and report the teacher?
And how many women teachers took down the occasional pair of panties? A.L is correct; it certainly happened in primary schools.
Best wishes, Ian.
Paul.

Paul, thank you for your input on this aspect of SCP. What Ian remembers, I suspect, were unofficial school spankings. Back then it was much the same as plenty of parents did to those same youngsters at home. So even the youngsters themselves would have accepted they were being spanked like their mum or dad did. There can be no doubt that many of the teachers were parents themselves and as such spanked their own children at home and were only doing much the same in school.

We know nowadays that how some teachers punished, in the past, was sexual abuse. There were prosecutions even back then but not that. True the great majority of school CP was carried out properly but there were always cases that seemed unfair, particularly when it done as an example to others rather than to punish the individual.

Chris

six of the best wrote:Paul, thank you for your input on this aspect of SCP. What Ian remembers, I suspect, were unofficial school spankings. Back then it was much the same as plenty of parents did to those same youngsters at home. So even the youngsters themselves would have accepted they were being spanked like their mum or dad did. There can be no doubt that many of the teachers were parents themselves and as such spanked their own children at home and were only doing much the same in school.

We know nowadays that how some teachers punished, in the past, was sexual abuse. There were prosecutions even back then but not that. True the great majority of school CP was carried out properly but there were always cases that seemed unfair, particularly when it done as an example to others rather than to punish the individual.

Chris

I believe that teachers handing our indiscriminate punishments simply to assert their authority, happened quite regularly at the school I attended and at other schools as well no doubt.  There is however, one incident that stands out.

I remember the joy in the classroom when somebody noticed that in the maths textbooks that had been provided, the answers to the questions were shown in the back of the book. The ability to finish homework in a fraction of the time it should have taken was too good to be true. When working on an assignment, the trick was to write down a few random figures to make it look as if the necessary calculations had been made and then look up the answers.

It didn’t take long before the maths master became aware of the ruse.  So he picked on one unfortunate individual and asked him to explain how he had come to his answer. When the boy was unable to do so he was made to admit that he had cheated and was immediately sent to fetch the cane and punishment book. For those unfamiliar with this ritual, it has previously been described elsewhere on this forum. As we had all been using the shortcut, we were terrified that the teacher would cane the lot of us. To our relief he decided that simply making an example of one miscreant would solve the problem.

The teacher achieved his objective and from then on we were all careful to complete our homework diligently.  Looking back though it does seem unfair that one unlucky classmate had to be made the scapegoat for the whole class. I recall taking a shower with the rest of the boys in the class a few days later and his bruised backside was there for all to see. The poor lad was black and blue!

Before I’m accused of straying off the subject, this was the second occasion where I personally witnessed (or at least overheard) bare bottom corporal punishment. To save the boy the humiliation of being chastised in front of his classmates the teacher took the boy outside the classroom to administer the punishment. We all listened intently for the sound of the cane coming down on his behind. The first stroke was duly delivered followed by another and then another. The last stroke sounded different though and was clearly not the sound of the cane making contact with the seat of the boy’s trousers. We all assumed that he had taken the last stroke on the hand but when our classmate told us that he had only felt the cane on his backside we all looked at each other knowingly.

sixofthebest I cannot say with hand on heart whether it was  unofficial or not but I do not know whether many parents complained if there little cherubs had been punished in this fashion it was not an uncommon event at the age of four to seven of boys and girls have there nether regions bared and smacked soundly my brother who is six younger I remember saying he saw a teacher [ who was at the school the same time I was ] bend an errant boy over his desk his trousers and undies pulled down and spanked on his bare bottom oh yes it happened alright believe me it was every day life then if you where naughty there was always the risk this would happen too you

I think we all stray off the subject at times! I certainly do!

Hi Ian, on the two occasions that I saw/heard a schoolboy get it on the bare bottom  – once with the slipper and once with the cane – the recipient was into his teenage years.

wwt was the slippering done in front of you or was that the one you heard about

Ignore the comment please it was just a response to another person who was suggesting we were drifting off the subject.

Might we agree that some bare bottom spanking may have taken place in some infants schools but it is highly unlikely that it was completely within the local LEA rules. If the parents spanked the same youngsters that way at home and liked the particular teacher they’d probably have approved.

iankenrick wrote:wwt was the slippering done in front of you or was that the one you heard about

Hi Ian, as I mentioned recently in another thread, I did witness that spanking. I have given a detailed account in a previous post but that appeared some time ago..

wwt can you remember under what heading i will have a look

WWT wrote:

iankenrick wrote:wwt was the slippering done in front of you or was that the one you heard about

Hi Ian, as I mentioned recently in another thread, I did witness that spanking. I have given a detailed account in a previous post but that appeared some time ago..

Link ?  Thanks.

Hi Ian/Jules,

Requests for a repeat of my post have come up before and thank’s to diligent research by A_L my detailed account of that incident and various other links can be found at the site below:

viewtopic.php?f=198833&t=2868&p=47226&h … ton#p47226

Anyone following WWT‘s above link to my post giving details of his past contributions may be puzzled by snippets of apparent gibberish.  These are HTML/CSS formatting, which was allowed on Network54, and which I used extensively.  The conversion process to Tapatalk couldn’t cope with this as Tapatalk only allows the fairly useless and very obsolete BBCode for formatting.

As a result huge chunks of my posts disappeared from normal view, although I can usually still read them via the page source.  Where it didn’t cause my posts to vanish the conversion left them littered with said snippets of HTML/CSS.  Oh, and the little squares, which are Network54 emojis that the process couldn’t cope with either.  The huge quote at the beginning of the post was also put there by the conversion process not by me

An additional casualty of the conversion process was my internal Forum links.  Because they utilised HTML and CSS the conversion mangled them as well, so anyone trying to visit WWT‘s contributions linked from my aforesaid post will find themselves at the beginning of the relevant thread rather than at the actual post.  The first two posts concerned are to be found here and  here.  The second two have now sadly been removed to the archives.  WWT had the good fortune to attend an ‘interesting’ primary school and some threads mentioning certain staff at said school have had to be purged.  The last link, to an East Dulwich Forum, still works.

I am afraid that anyone wanting details of the (S)CP incident involving the young blonde lady mentioned in the post will have to ask WWT.  The post concerned may have been archived and as after a few blips over the years Richard and I seem to have arrived at a good working relationship my lips are sealed!

Not the first time I have been associated with “apparent gibberish” 

Hello Richard,

Ah, but at least this time it was my gibberish, or rather that of the conversion process!  

But there are strange things associated with your contributions, not least the rapidly disappearing references to whatshisname with the flat ‘at which sadly take some of your posts with them.

Then since we went over to Tapatalk, on a couple of searches I’ve done for your stuff using search for author Worldwide Traveller as a secondary search field the Forum search engine has told me it’s found entries but refused to tell me what or where they are.

And finally the other day I found a contribution from ‘Richard’.  I’m sure it was one of yours, but when I tried for details of Richard’s other contributions the system said he didn’t exist.  All very weird.

For the first few posts I made on this forum years ago, I used the name ‘Richard’ but there was confusion with another contributor using a similar name. As his contributions were generally regarded as pure fantasy, I changed to Worldwide Traveller and subsequently to WWT when we went over to Tapatalk.

Maybe it’s because I tend to name the individuals featured in my musings that the moderators sometimes decide to hide them away.
So I fear that our exchange of correspondence featuring my tormentor from primary school could suffer the same fate. All I would add is that she was not the ‘young blond lady’ mentioned in the last paragraph of your previous post. I must admit though that the thought of further torment at the hands of a more mature Ms Clapham dressed in tight fitting black leather garb and wielding a cane, is intriguing.

I’m off for a cold shower.

wwt thanks i have read the link

When I was 9 I was caught talking and not paying attention during class time and instructed to remain after the class was dismissed by the teacher Mrs
Spencer to be punished by being spanked.When the classroom was empty I was instructed to come to the front and to remove my shoes and take off my
shorts as I did this Mrs Spencer moved her chair to the side of her desk and taking my arm guided me over her lap, she smacked me a few times and then
stopped.I felt her hand take hold of my pants and pull them down to my knees and start smacking again on alternate sides of my bottom. This hurt and I
soon started to cry. The smacking lasted a few minutes but when she finished my bottom was on fire . I paid attention to every lesson after that.

juames123  how humiliating and painful for you at least it was not given in front of the rest of your class which was a bonus did she pull your trousers and undies back up or had you an extra humiliation of ehn stood up she got a view of your penis

CathyG,

How things have changed! There was a time when a coach who was reluctant to supervise boys changing clothes or showering would have been considered strange or worse. Now, a sensible coach will keep far away from such places even if not required to so by school policy or otherwise. What were totally benign and wholesome activities are now viewed with suspicion.

None of the above comments in anyway condone the shocking abuses of vulnerable children that have occurred when secrecy has prevailed.

cathyg when you sat a coach did this in gym class did he pull down there shorts how  old where they must of been meg embarrassing for them with girls present when you got in 7th grade where you around eleven at the time

kkxyz yes it did sound rather inappropriate being present whilst your class changed it happened in my day as my junior school had no changing facilities and of course in those days you never give that sort of thing an second thought in them days like today where it is drummed into them

 May 8, 1992  Illinois

However, a teacher can pull down the pants of a student and whip him or her in front of the class and not be liable for civil or criminal penalties, he said.

1992.  Illinois is one of 29 states that still allow corporal punishment in public schools.

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2011.  Slow changes.

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Mid-2017.  27 states prohibit it.

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KKxyz wrote:CathyG,

How things have changed! There was a time when a coach who was reluctant to supervise boys changing clothes or showering would have been considered strange or worse. Now, a sensible coach will keep far away from such places even if not required to so by school policy or otherwise. What were totally benign and wholesome activities are now viewed with suspicion.

None of the above comments in anyway condone the shocking abuses of vulnerable children that have occurred when secrecy has prevailed.

i had not thought of this in years but your right …the gym teacher always supervised the change room and showers before 1980…your right now the teacher would probably get fired if he stayed there and supervised(watched)  I coached hockey too and the coaches left room with in minutes after a game as to let the boys shower. If we did we would have been called out by a parent! When i played the coaches were always in the room. Different times for sure.