Caning Girls on the Hands

Hello, Members,
It’s Paul:

I might possibly have gained a reputation on this esteemed forum for being a bit of a softie regarding SCP for girls. It was only a few weeks ago that I suggested to ‘American Way’ that if I was principal of a high school, I would definitely reserve a lighter, smaller paddle for female students.

Regarding the caning of girls at British schools, I would have undoubtedly kept a girls’ cane that would hardly be the three foot cane I’d keep for the boys. The girls’ cane would be a lightweight rattan, thin, of no more than thirty inches. My thinking here is that the reality was that the caning of girls, albeit for some rare incidents, was usually on the hands. It was a practice that could be dangerous. Hence, my smaller girls’ cane. With girls’ hands being small and dainty, not to mention of weaker wrist and thinner, more vulnerable fingers, one could hardly have used a longer, thicker, more menacing cane (As seen in my enclosed images-which I shall discuss in a moment). Had I been empowered, I would have kept the cane as a rarely used sanction for girls and replaced it with the slipper across the skirt. Far safer! But in many LEAs that sanction would not have been available to me.

We all know that there were some horrid girls who thrived in UK schools: they bullied, stole from the vulnerable, attacked staff and thought they were tough. But overwhelmingly girls were well behaved, acted with femininity, and studied hard. Dare I say ‘sugar & spice? On occasion such a girl would transgress and sometimes she would face the ultimate sanction: the cane across the palm. But we have read about the effect this had on some of the nicer girls. Some of us have witnessed such an occasion. We have read about the girls at Bacons who put out their hands for the sting of the cane, some describing their fear. Sue Olds being a prime example. Surely the slipper on the bottom would have been far better than have to fearfully watch as the teacher/head placed the cane across the girl’s palm.

In my first image example, look at the distressed expression on the blonde girl’s face. Her fear is palpable.Her eyes show how scared she is. They look watery. Could such fear be avoided with a bottom slippering over her skirt? Was it right, prior to the UK ban, to put the majority of girls caned, through this? Or, may I ask, do members think her level of anxiety is about right and should be part of the punishment anyway? Does it depend on the nature of the offence?
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Then we see the same girl take a stroke. Her face shows a lot of pain.Too much, perhaps? Look at how her knees sag as she tries to absorb the stroke. Do you think her level of distress is too much, about right, or hardly enough? Do you agree with my thinking that the three foot school cane she is getting is too much for a girl to take on her hands?

I would be interested to read your comments.

Thank you, all

Paul.
(Images below)

With skirts this short it would be hard to imagine spanking her bottom for a dress code violation without the “Me Too” folks to be aghast.  Boys have to accustom themselves to this without succumbing to  an exploitive eye.  It is in the eye of the beholder and not her behavior that needs to be checked. 

The hands are an awful alternative.

The cane shown in your pictures is clearly unsuitable for hand punishment, although of course in those shots it wasn’t moving at all.  I seem to remember that Mr Ing was reputed to conceal a cane in his sleeve.  He would indeed be a rare specimen of humanity if he could hide the one that you have pictured.

I’m not sure caning on the hands is that dangerous, and I’m sure it is no more so for girls than boys.  A light rattan for the hands, as you describe it, weighs an ounce, a quarter of the weight of a tawse.  For caning, the hand is unsupported, so even when applied with vigour, it isn’t likely to break any bones.  It will, however, hurt.  Lots!

Light sticks have been applied to hands at least since Roman times and if serious injury had been common, I think we would have known.  All this doesn’t mean I favour the punishment.  I think it is horrible. But that is surely what corporal punishment is meant to be.  Anyway, for us in the UK it is just history now.

I thought i read somewhere on this forum and broken fingers from canings were not actually that uncommon in british schools, they were just generally hushed up with moderate financial settlements and non disclosure agreements… i really have no idea whether this is true or not, but i do remember reading it here…. also if corporal punishment is actually horrible instead of just unpleasant doesn’t that tend to slide into the realm of torture

Hello dane,

Don’t believe everything you read on this forum.  I doubt there was any significant number of broken fingers caused by caning in UK schools.  If it happened it was the result of inexcusable carelessness.

As to the use of words to describe punishment, I don’t think I or any of my friends would have said afterwards “By George, that was jolly unpleasant!”.  We said it was horrible, just like having to take medicine or eating boiled cabbage.  None of them did us much harm and in the last two cases they probably did us some good.  It wasn’t torture in your use of the word, but something we told ourselves was best avoided.  Sadly we didn’t always remember our own advice.

If there were broken fingers in schools, it was most likely to happen on the cricket field, where the hard leather ball was capable of inflicting as much pain and more injury than a school cane and did so far more often.

Hello hcj and dane,

One of the problems of this Forum is that if you weren’t there at the time misunderstandings are very easy because you are not in a position to assess the reliability of contributors.

dane may well have read of broken fingers from caning.  However a quick but I hope reasonably accurate survey indicates that they were almost certainly by Headmaster George or Prof.n in one of his several guises.

Headmaster George as we know evinced a preference for caning on another part of the anatomy entirely.  He often justified this by referring to the danger of broken fingers when caning on the hand but never, as far as I can see, gave an instance of such damage actually occurring.

Prof.n referred repeatedly to a school where he had allegedly held a teaching post early in his career.  Caning there was, he said, on the hand.  Although his seniority and experience did not qualify him to cane he claimed that he was given a cane and told to whack away.  A ‘possibly’ to that one I think.

More controversially he claimed that fingers were regularly broken and that the school had in place a compensation and non-disclosure agreement and lawyers standing by to deal with claims.  Hmm, methinks I detect an axe being ground.  Prof.n had a great many axes to grind and pursued his objectives ruthlessly, as witness some of his claims about events at Bacons School.  That is why he was such an excellent person to argue with. and sadly missed by me.  But anyone reading his contributions needs to understand his agenda and the lengths to which he would go in pursuit of it

There is one claim of a broken finger from a caning in Australia to which Oliver Sydney has referred a couple of times.  A claim made on social media I think, and the claimant declined to identify the school but said that the punishment was well deserved.  One possibly substantive claim in 16+ years of this Forum.  It doesn’t look as though the dangers of hand caning are quite what some would make them out to be.

And on a lighter note:

hcj, you said to Paul in your contribution #3 above:

I seem to remember that Mr Ing was reputed to conceal a cane in his sleeve.  He would indeed be a rare specimen of humanity if he could hide the one that you have pictured.

Indeed so.  Mr Ing was I believe a Spitfire pilot in WWII and is unlikely to have had exceptionally long arms.  There wasn’t much room in those cockpits and operating the controls would probably have been difficult.  Indeed I have been aware of only one person who might have been able to conceal a three foot cane up his sleeve, not that he was ever a schoolmaster.  Here is a picture of the well known climber Joe Brown in his youth.  Alas they lacked the benefits of PhotoShop in those days! 

Most female models prefer to be hit on the their backside than their hands.  I would imagine the same would apply to female students.  Girls are not as often as boys given a choice of targets.  Their bottoms (post-pubescent) are kept out of harm’s way for weal (weals) or for woe.

Most people don’t even look at the hands.  They have a charm of their own.

I suppose it would be a matter for the school’s governors and headmaster to decide the method of puishment in schools when caning was in use. Whatever method was in use I firmly believe the punishment should teach the intended lesson. I personally would not have liked to caned on the hands and am very glad I wasent punished this way.
Paul’s photograph’s are obviously stage managed and it is highly doubtful that the young lady in them was actually caned but, it does give some indication of an actual punishment being administered.

On a lighter note, Paul states he has a reputation within this forum for being a bit of a softie !! . With what he has in mind for me I strongly dispute that statement

Surely, serious dress code violations in Paul’s post above. If ties are worn the must be worn strangling tight.

Thank you, Members,

I’ve certainly read about bruised fingers..Didn’t Sue Olds allude to that, without my going off to check? And some FR posts existed where girls mentioned bruising, stiff fingers, etc.

A boy was caned on the hand at my junior school and the cane caught the bone on his thumb near the nail. Very nasty. I simply don’t know how caning on the hands was allowed.  The tawse or a strap is fine, perhaps a ruler, too, but not a cane. The slipper on the hands would be acceptable, too.

Hitting on the knuckles with a ruler was another ghastly practice that did nothing for the survival of SCP.

HCJ44 -thank you, as always, for you contributions, here. I would have to disagree a tad, though, that girls’ smaller hands would be more vulnerable than that of a boy. Yes, much would depend on the age of the pupil, the type of cane used and the teacher dishing out the caning.

Its interesting, ‘American Way,’ that you point out that most models would prefer the cane on the bottom than the hands. I guess those, err, ‘into the scene’ would, yes indeed, but I think many a female would,too, if they thought about it, especially of the teacher was female. Going back to models, I’m able to support your claim: remember that I got lambasted on here a few years back because I was asking models/females about how they’d feel about getting the cane..I can assure you that most did opt for the cane on the hand. Also, I was once very lucky to cane a curious model during a shoot. The choice was hers: hand or bottom. She opted for the bottom; three light ones on the jeans, taken in utter silence.

I think all of you are making valid points, both ways.

Ah, Miss Best! There you are! Late again!
You are correct, Lisa, to a degree, that it was a matter for the school and the governors to decide how the cane was used. But don’t forget that with state schools, much was decided by LEAs!!

You have said that you personally would not have liked to have been caned on your hands. Ahhhhh! So that’s how we should have dealt with you!!! You said that my giving you suspension/Saturday detentions would not work as it would cause resentment. But caning you bottom didn’t abort your other visits to the head. Thus, I wonder, had you been caned on the hands on the first occasion, would your other four visits to the head never occurred? Mmmm?

Of course I’m a softie with the SCP of girls?…….If you think what I have in mind for you is serious, just wait and see what my loyal deputy head, ‘Mr A.L,’ has in mind! I’m very much awaiting his thoughts on the images that I added. Yes, indeed, Lisa, they are acted scenes. The girl was an actress and I think she has shown what a hand caning is like.
Thank you, everybody
Paul

Agreed, KKxyz.
Give her another three strokes!!!
Thank you,
Paul

Paul, the story of the boy at your junior school reminds me of one of the comments I collected a few years ago from South Korean pupils:

“The palm is usually the place you are hit for minor mistakes.  Even so it is quite painful, especially if you do not hold your hand correctly and you are hit on the bone.  Spread your palm so it is flat; if your thumb comes up accidentally it can be very painful.”

So the experience is not confined to one place or time, but is familiar around the world.

Hello Paul, You ask for my comments on your photographs.  What can I say, other than that with that skirt it must have taken considerable resolution and strength of character to avoid suggesting that it would be far safer, and probably less painful, if the young lady were to bend over for you to demonstrate caning on the bottom.  Especially so as the cane looks far more suited to that mode of punishment!  

Seriously, I’m no expert, but I think your hand caning technique leaves a little to be desired.  In the initial shot you are allowing the girl to hold her hand far too high.  This would I think limit the chance for the cane to build up speed, reducing the potential pain.  A good thing for the recipient maybe, but possibly outweighed by the chance that the cane will land at the wrong angle and not contact evenly across the hand, increasing the risk of damage.

Possibly you could have utilised the technique I saw used in Junior School, albeit with a ruler not a cane.  A girl who persistently snatched her hand away was made to sit with her hand held a little above her thighs.  Unlike the unfortunate girl in that instance there would probably have been no need to fold back the skirt to emphasise the consequences of removing the target in mid stroke in your model’s case.  Ouch!

All that said, I am relieved to have confirmation that no actual caning was involved.  The young lady is to be congratulated on her acting, though you should probably have added a third shot to the sequence, with the recipient attempting to relieve the pain in the afflicted hand.  Cathy Hargreaves from Grange Hill demonstrates the technique rather half-heartedly at the end of this YouTube clip:

With regard to punishment on the hands you said above:

The tawse or a strap is fine, perhaps a ruler, too, but not a cane. The slipper on the hands would be acceptable, too.

When I was doing my search for my contribution #6 above I did find another contributor besides Prof.n who claimed ‘examples of fractured wrists and and broken fingers‘ as a result of school corporal punishment on the hands.  I didn’t mention it as the subject under discussion was the cane on the hands whereas the implement concerned in the report was a ferula.  A ferula is of course much more akin to a strap than a cane, much fatter, as the contributor observes.  So maybe surface area doesn’t equate to safety in hand punishment implements.

Here is the contribution concerned.  You need to scroll down a bit due to the long opening quote inserted by the conversion from Network54.  Campion84 made other contributions and as far as I recall my only doubt as to his authenticity was that not many people attend several English Public Schools as he claimed he did.

Hi All

Although I was never  caned or strapped on my hands (I have recollections of a token slap with a ruler when I was about  7 or 8) so cannot speak from experience I agree with both Paul and Lisa that hand caning could cause damage whether applied across the fingers or the palm.  If for whatever reason it was felt necessary to hit the hands a strap/tawse seems to me to be a safer implement to use.

Paul : Lisa had plenty of experience of the cane on her bottom at school as she has confessed on various threads on the forum so when she does report to you it would need to be more than six in my view.

Hello, PC21,
Oh, I agree!!! Forthwith! But all of our canes have been broken on her naughty bottom. We would contact the bognor Cane Company, but they went out of business years ago.
A meeting with my loyal deputy head, Mr A.L, is scheduled for tomorrow to decide what to do with the badly behaved young girl
Best wishes, PC21!!!
Paul

Hello Paul,

I can sympathise re knocking over the camera in your cramped studio session when shooting the hand caning pictures.  Trying to do that sort of thing on the standard 10 second self timer inevitably ends in the camera going flying at worst or a leg of the tripod being nudged ruining the composition at best.

Years ago I had an ultra-zoom camera for sports photography and to my surprise it arrived with a tiny little remote control easily help unobtrusively in one hand and which was effective over several yards.  It could zoom and focus as well as fire the shutter.  Pretty pointless for that sort of camera, which wasn’t the sort of thing you’d use in a studio, although it was invaluable when shooting on a tripod, avoiding a cable release.

Alas I’ve never had a camera with that facility since, and the the old one is now obsolete,  Two Megapixels won’t cut the mustard these days, even with a 12x optical zoom.

We shall have to agree to differ on the initial hand position in your hand caning pictures.  I still think it a little high for maximum pain mechanical efficiency.  I do agree with you though that your model did a good job of simulating suitable hand caned agony.

I know of two photographs showing a staged hands extended over thighs hand punishment posture, which I mentioned in my post #13 above that I’d seen used at Junior school when a girl kept pulling her hand away at the last minute.  I couldn’t find either at the time but dredging through the obsolete computer stack looking for something else I’ve just located one of them.  Here it is:

Best done from the side across the hand or hands, like the teacher I saw use it did.  A pretty strong incentive not to withdraw  the target, especially with a cane!

Of course in South Korea a similar set-up was sometimes used  where the thighs were the target of SCP.  Those who have been around the Forum for a year or two will recall the film version seen in this YouTube clip:

and the actual surreptitiously shot classroom video discussed in this post.

Likely to have been even more painful than caning on the hands IMHO.

BTW, I am intrigued by your contribution #17.  I think we should be told see and judge the score on the  risqué  scale for ourselves – but probably best host them at somewhere other than Tapatalk and provide a link rather than display them in-line! 

Whilst the caning of girls across their hands maybe of more interest to most here may I respectfully point out that hand caning wasn’t used exclusively on girls. Hand punishments with the tawse in Scottish schools were used on both boys and girls. Many schools all over the UK caned both boys and girls in this manner.

The mixed state junior schools seemed to favour this punishment method particularly for youngsters in their final year there. Without doubt it was used more on boys in these schools and often done in front of the class. Whether this was done there to warn others or simply for speed and convenience varied. Many older schools were built with classrooms around the main school hall with very few private areas bar the head teacher’s office. In these schools it was generally just a couple of quick strokes.

In senior schools, hand caning was used far more than it is suggested here. Some schools caned girls and younger boys (1st and 2nd years, 11 to 13) and others exclusively caned across hands. I think there is little doubt that far more girls were caned across their hands than bent over to caned across their bottoms.

For girls, hand caning it is often said was used in schools for the sake of modesty. Something that didn’t apply at home. I knew of no girls who were punished across their hands at home although very few girls ever admitted to receiving corporal punishment at home back then. I did know of two brothers who were caned across their hands at home by their father. I remember thinking, at the time, it was odd.

Before others here rush to disagree may I say this is my opinion based on personal experience of my own childhood in the 1950s/60s.

Hello, ‘Six of the Best,’

It’s Paul;

Thank you for your contribution.

Oh, no, no, there isn’t much I’d disagree with at all. You mention that part of your schooldays were in the 1950’s, which makes you a tad older than me. Mine were in the sixties to very early 1970’s.

I cannot agree more with the fact that hand caning wasn’t exclusively reserved for girls. The only difference between you and I and the LEAs under which your schools were controlled and the LEA in which mine were controlled was that flipping girls didn’t get whacked AT ALL!!!!! I used to pray for it to happen, but I didn’t see a single crumb or baked bean! Neither did I even remotely hear of a girl getting whacked at either my two junior schools or my secondary school.

Furthermore, in the locality in which I spent my school years, there were lots of girls in the neighbourhood who went to other schools, including one local grammar school and two catholic schools. The position was exactly the same: girls didn’t get it!! How did I know this? Well, I guess I was quite a bold little boy. I knew what I liked and what my tastes were. I had the nerve to get on to the subject of SCP and I would ask girls if  they’d been whacked/do girls get whacked. Yes, one could argue that they could have been sparing their maidenly blushes, but I strongly doubt that.

Also, and I know I’m going over old ground here, and with the aforementioned, but girls simply didn’t get into trouble. Well, not in any school I attended.
I did see quite a few boys caned and getting the slipper and ruler in the classroom, both in junior and senior school. It was almost always on the hand, which parallels with your experiences. There was one teacher in my first year of secondary school who would hit boys with a T-square on the buttocks. Of course I’d be sitting at my desk hoping a girl would provoke this teacher and thus get called to the front. No such luck!

But then of course, my life-journey took me into the world of work, and it was there and of course through dating girls, where I learned that girls were indeed caned. But I hasten to add, always on the hand. That then, concurs with your experiences, ‘Six of the Best.’
We know that girls got slippered in many schools, on the bottom, and by male staff in some instances! And that might take us back to what I said previously: ‘hiding their blushes?’ Just how many girls would admit to bending over in the head’s office?……………………..I know, I know, what about the females on FR and FB who admitted to getting whacks. But perhaps those postings were just the tip of something much larger? Will we ever know?

You raise a good point in that girls might have been caned on their hands to protect their modestly. I guess with the issue of bending over/skirts, I dare say it was one of the man drivers.

Excellent contribution, ‘Six of the Best.’

Many thanks,

Paul

Hello, A.L,
Yes, those pictures are excellent, especially the English school setting with the girl seated. What girl would be foolish enough to move her hand out of the way? ‘Ouch!’
I’ve seen it before, but it’s not in my collection.
I have seen the Korean film, too.  Very atmospheric. Thank you for posting.

What kind of sports photography have you done? Me? Equestrian/show jumping, road-running and football. I enjoyed reading about your camera experiences.

You are overlooking two things regarding knocking camera kit over: one, I’m clumsy, and two, the day I worked with the blonde girl, I was getting a tad over-excited!!!
My feeling on a higher hand position is that the cane meets the palm at top speed. if its too low the swing will lose speed as it travels downwards.

here is another example of hand caning with another model, who perhaps didn’t act  quite as well as the blonde girl. Note her hand is positioned lower.

Regarding the, err, risque, ‘botty’ ones of the blonde girl, it might be best if our moderators agree to it being acceptable to post them here.(But of course, they haven’y seen them!!!)

Secondly, I’m assuming your thinking is that they could fall into the wrong hands by posting them here, rather than via a link (which they could still do).
A.L, thank you.

Of course, all this hand caning nonsense will never do for that darn ‘Best’ girl. Now where in goodness sake is she?l She should have been outside my office after prep!!!
‘Take six, Miss Best!’
Thanks
Paul

Hello Paul,

First let me say that I am in full agreement with you regarding our fellow contributor six of the best.  He has become an asset to the Forum and I can now happily relax and enjoy myself while he assumes my old role of keeping things sensible and down to earth as regards the considerable variations in SCP practices throughout the UK depending on area and type and governance of schools.

You wrote above of the area in which you attended school:

………… girls didn’t get whacked AT ALL!!!!! I used to pray for it to happen, but I didn’t see a single crumb or baked bean! Neither did I even remotely hear of a girl getting whacked at either my two junior schools or my secondary school.

Accidents of birth!  Now if you’d been brought up in Nottinghamshire think how different things might have been!

In my Junior school girls certainly weren’t naughty as often boys, but those who did transgress got whatever form of whacking was favoured by the teacher concerned in front of the class just like boys.  In the associated Senior school girls didn’t misbehave as often as boys but when they did they could be, and sometimes were, caned on the bottom by the Headmaster just like boys.  In those days school leaving age was still 15.  I didn’t attend the Senior school though, escaping via the 11 plus to a boys only school.

Of course in Nottinghamshire the prevalence of CP didn’t stop with my school days in the late 1940s and 1950s.  As late as 1980 the county was one of the very few which caned children in its orphanages and childrens’ homes.  Boys and girls aged 7 to 17 could be given up to six strokes of the cane on the bottom and in that year a 15 year old girl was so caned for running away from a social services childrens’ home, to outraged choruses of ‘the floggers of Nottinghamshire’!

And as we know from other threads  the Rodney School, Nottinghamshire,  was one of the last English schools to abandon the cane.  Owner and headmistress Ms Joan Thomas’s flagellations of naughty schoolgirls well into the 1990s have led some to claim that it was the last school in England where girls were caned.

I nearly but not quite went there as a boarder age 11 in 1953, when both school and Ms Thomas were fairly young and the latter was allegedly a formidable and frequent caner of girls and boys.  I can’t say that I regret the way my fate fell, but the probability is that if things had not gone the way they did I’d have had rather more personal experience in receipt of SCP to recount here!

Those hand canings

I’m puzzled by your claim that if hands are held lower the cane will slow as it descends.  Surely not.  I would have thought that the greater the arc of swing the faster the cane will be travelling on impact unless the stroke is deliberately checked early.  A feared penalty in Scottish Schools was to be made to sit at a desk with hands extended just above the desk instead of standing arm outstretched when being tawsed.  This made the impact more painful  because of the greater arc of swing.

A well know and commended for its realism cinematic depiction of tawsing depicts the technique being used for a boy who kept withdrawing his hands.  A penalty for the recipient which also protected the teacher from being hit by his or her own belt if hands were withdrawn.  Can I find it quickly?  Ah, yes, I can.   Here it is, originally linked by Dean Clarke.

There are several depictions of tawsing in the clip.  The first section, depicting boys being tawsed and including the scene I mention above is I think from the film ‘Leaving’, a BBC Screen 2 production from 1989.  The second section, in which both boys and girls are seen being tawsed is I think from the film ‘NEDS’ (Non-Educated DelinquentS) made in 2010.  NEDS was shot in the Lourdes Catholic Secondary School in Glasgow, so the changeover point may be identified when crucifixes begin appearing on the walls.

Cameras

I was never a proper photographer, though back in the 1960s when I did my own D&P I dabbled in wedding photography to oblige impecunious friends.  We were all impecunious then except the chap I used to navigate for on rallies who had a rich daddy.  Motor sport was another photographic interest and persisted into the digital era when the ultra-zoom was purchased for the purpose, though much of its actual use was on Scottish mountains.

Your second picture of hand caning

Hmm, clearly a supercilious young lady with little if any respect for authority!   The cane looks a bit more suited to the job though.  Is it actually a shorter one or is it just camera angle?  Personally I think that from a punitive stance the hand position is better.  Note that on impact the cane is almost horizontal and will strike across the full extent of the hand – or rather it would if the punishment was real.

Those ‘ahem!’ pictures

A tricky one.  You could upload them to somewhere like Imgur and link them so that they don’t actually appear in the thread with the link proceeded by a warning of the content.  However the risk is that someone outwith the Forum might spot them on Imgur by chance and purloin copies for their own use.

In theory you could just upload them to Tapatalk without displaying them in the thread and then link them with a prior warning.  That way only people with access to this Forum would be able to see them.  However there is at least a possibility that Tapatalk would delete them because of content.

If I felt they wouldn’t offend and really wanted to display them I’d chop them up into at least two vertical sections, chops positioned to make them less recognisable as a bit naughty, and upload them to Imgur.  That way it is less likely that anyone will spot them on Imgur.  Then I’d display them here so as to display both sections together making them look like one picture.  Embedding them in a Table Cell aids that process.

It is of course impossible to stop anybody who knows what they are doing nicking a copy of a picture which can be viewed by whatever means on a web page.  Chopping pictures into irregularly sized chunks and recombining them via a Table as a background image, overlaid by foreground transparent GIFs will stop the inexperienced, but at the moment I don’t think you can do background images on Tapatalk as a non-exec, and anyway it is still simple to take a screen shot and get the picture that way.  It does prevent hot linking quite effectively though!

Dear Paul and A.L.
I really do hope my revelations regarding my skirt length did not cause you both any unnecessary stress. It certainly was not intended to.  I suppose in hindsight it probably could have such an effect and I suppose I do deserve the hussy title Paul has landed me with. My husband finds it hilarious.  I will in future try to moderate my comments.
I still maintain that given a choice I would not have opted to be caned on my hands but I also maintain that the punishment I recieved was just as effective in teaching me the intended lesson.
On a lighter note I would like to send all on this forum my very best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.

Another_Lurker wrote:Hello Paul,

First let me say that I am in full agreement with you regarding our fellow contributor six of the best.  He has become an asset to the Forum and I can now happily relax and enjoy myself while he assumes my old role of keeping things sensible and down to earth as regards the considerable variations in SCP practices throughout the UK depending on area and type and governance of schools.

I’m immensely flattered by your comments, thank you. I had wondered if my contributions to this Forum were a shade boring. I try to mention only things that I knew of personally or am fairly certain of their authenticity.

My senior school was known as  a mixed grammar school but in reality it was two separate schools with adjoining facilities namely a large modern assembly hall, dining hall and kitchens, these were used on separate occasions by both boys and girls and both schools had their own entrances to them as they linked the two buildings. Of more interest here perhaps was that off the shared main school entrance for visitors not pupils, it contained the admin part of the school. Both schools had their own headteachers and secretaries with offices on either side of this entrance hall. I well remember visits to the headmaster’s office there!

I remember on one occasion seeing a girl and presumably her teacher leaving the nearby headmistress’s office. The girl didn’t look very happy and I did wonder if she’d just been caned. We knew that girls were caned across their hands. I do remember one girl telling me that she’d had two strokes of the cane with a few other girls. They’d been caught smoking and she was with them but not smoking herself. She was a prefect and saw the headmistress as almost a friend but was caned nevertheless. She was upset and concerned what her parents might think and perhaps do as they were beginning to see her as almost grown up by then and hadn’t punished her at home for quite a while. She wasn’t exactly a girlfriend of mine but I talked with her a lot as she lived near to my home.

I know virtually nothing of juvenile CP outside of the UK. Most of my knowledge is confined to the area I grew up in too. I do remember seeing martinets on sale in a small general store in the Loire region of France in about 1971. I’d read of their use in that country but was surprised to sell them actually on display in a shop like that. The fact they were there must have indicted there was a fair demand for them. The use of the paddle in the USA is well known and well documented of course. My only other information on the subject come from the internet so I cannot tell of its validity.

Hello six of the best,

Rest assured that my comment said exactly what I meant.  We might possibly find ourselves in disagreement on some issue or other in the future, a fairly normal state of affairs here, but that would not detract from my opinion of your overall input.

Your mention of the martinet on sale in the early 1970s is interesting.  Besides the punishment of naughty children martinets were  are also used to control dogs and other animals and I understand could sometimes be found in French supermarkets rather later than 1971.

A scurrilous claim on this side of La Manche is that the martinet was invented by one Major Martinet. commandant of a French military academy, who was seeking a suitable implement with which to punish officer cadets on the bare bottom.  However there is a strong possibility that its original use was beating dried mud out of clothes, so I suppose there might even be a few sales for that purpose.

That said, one of our French contributors reported having been punished with eight strokes of the martinet over her knickers and on her thighs in front of her class age 17 at a private girls’ boarding school in France.  This was for a fairly serious offence in the eyes of the school and as late as 1990, when SCP in France was supposedly no longer extant.

Personally I see no reason to disbelieve her.  The French are past masters at saying one thing in public and doing another in private,  as summaries of their legislation on CP by interested organisations, such as this November 2018 updated report by the Global Initiative To End All Corporal Punishment Of Children, often indicate.

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Prohibition is still to be achieved in the home, alternative care settings, day care, schools and penal institutions.

‘Nuff said I think!

Like the naughty Lisabest, above, I send greetings to all contributors to, and readers of,  this forum wishing them a very Happy Christmas and Good Fortune in 2019.

My mother received the cane across her hands on two occasions at Thomas Alleyne’s High School Uttoxeter. The crimes she’d committed were quite trivial, I know one of them was hiding behind the double doors in the lobby. I’ll have to ask her about the other, I can’t remember her mentioning the reason. Her caning would have taken place in the 40’s. The interesting thing about it however is that on the second occasion the cane broke her finger. As a consequence I know her father complained to the school. He wasn’t against cp, but just the way it was administered, I know discipline was firm at home too.

six of the best wrote:

Another_Lurker wrote:Hello Paul,

First let me say that I am in full agreement with you regarding our fellow contributor six of the best.  He has become an asset to the Forum and I can now happily relax and enjoy myself while he assumes my old role of keeping things sensible and down to earth as regards the considerable variations in SCP practices throughout the UK depending on area and type and governance of schools.

I’m immensely flattered by your comments, thank you. I had wondered if my contributions to this Forum were a shade boring. I try to mention only things that I knew of personally or am fairly certain of their authenticity.

My senior school was known as  a mixed grammar school but in reality it was two separate schools with adjoining facilities namely a large modern assembly hall, dining hall and kitchens, these were used on separate occasions by both boys and girls and both schools had their own entrances to them as they linked the two buildings. Of more interest here perhaps was that off the shared main school entrance for visitors not pupils, it contained the admin part of the school. Both schools had their own headteachers and secretaries with offices on either side of this entrance hall. I well remember visits to the headmaster’s office there!

I remember on one occasion seeing a girl and presumably her teacher leaving the nearby headmistress’s office. The girl didn’t look very happy and I did wonder if she’d just been caned. We knew that girls were caned across their hands. I do remember one girl telling me that she’d had two strokes of the cane with a few other girls. They’d been caught smoking and she was with them but not smoking herself. She was a prefect and saw the headmistress as almost a friend but was caned nevertheless. She was upset and concerned what her parents might think and perhaps do as they were beginning to see her as almost grown up by then and hadn’t punished her at home for quite a while. She wasn’t exactly a girlfriend of mine but I talked with her a lot as she lived near to my home.

I know virtually nothing of juvenile CP outside of the UK. Most of my knowledge is confined to the area I grew up in too. I do remember seeing martinets on sale in a small general store in the Loire region of France in about 1971. I’d read of their use in that country but was surprised to sell them actually on display in a shop like that. The fact they were there must have indicted there was a fair demand for them. The use of the paddle in the USA is well known and well documented of course. My only other information on the subject come from the internet so I cannot tell of its validity.

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I recall seeing a selection of spanking paddles on display at an open air market in Canada back in the early 70’s. I remember that the implements had various sayings written on them such as those shown in a previous post on this forum http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/t … p;+College leaving no doubt as to their intended use. I was a member of the British delegation attending a conference in that country and I happened to see one of our hosts surreptitiously purchasing one of the instruments of correction.  I asked her in a roundabout way if she would like to maybe get together later and try it out. Looking very embarrassed, she tried to explain that it was actually or a friend – YEAH!

After our recent endorsement by Manager of the Featured over in that other thread we’re beginning to feel quite at home here, so we too would like to wish all the readers and contributors to this Forum a very merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Except Another_Lurker of course.  For him I’m afraid that the message is that following his attempts earlier in this thread to induce Paul to post naughty pictures  (item #22 above) it is clear that his recent period of rehabilitation in our UK East Midlands facility wasn’t effective so we’re revoking his licence and we’ll be round soon to pick him up for a further spell there.  More of the same for him we’re afraid, as documented over in our own thread so kindly started for us  here

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by American Way, our dedicated admirer and publicist.   We’ve introduced one or two new procedures that Another_Lurker will find most embarrassing interesting, and if we get time we’ll document them over in our own thread  so as to give him food for thought while he awaits that inevitable but never fully anticipated encounter with our arresting officers!

Finally, we take a great interest in the past of our clients such as Another_Lurker and we were intrigued by a recent comment in this thread which might be pertinent to his previous surreptitious activities here.  So if we may please we’d like to ask Lisabest if she’s ever strolled through these gardens in summer?

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and if she’s au fait with city micro-navigation techniques based on traditional coordinate methods?   We’d like to stress though, nothing personal, just making sure we have all the relevant stuff on Another_Lurker!

I had the good fortune to visit the beautiful city of Stockholm a couple of years ago although I don’t recall walking through those gardens which are known as Kungsträdgården (I think that’s Swedish for “King’s Garden”). Assuming that Lisa is Swedish, I’ll greet her with the only word of the local language that I picked up during my stay – “hey”.

Sorry correct spelling is “hej”.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I saw Miss Norway again yesterday. As usual a good time was had by both. I believe that Oslo is supposed to be a beautiful city. I told her I’d love to go on a cruise along the Norwegian lakes, but can’t a fiord it!! Oh come on. it is almost Christmas!

In my day in the early to middle 60s every girl in the class would have had her hands caned, as on 2 occasions there was a whole class Caning.
Of course some were Caned on other occasions as well.

So much catching up to do in this thread!

First, a welcome back to RobinResearch, first contribution since December 2011 I think, when responding to Maureen about her six of the best on the bare caning by a male headmaster at a co-educational Derbyshire Grammar School in 1961 aged 14.  Details in this thread.

In the unlikely event that anyone reopens discussion of Maureen’s case may I please commend to them the sentiments of a previous much valued contributor.  I can’t recall if it was in connection with Maureen, but he wrote something to the effect of:

Try to imagine how you would feel if you were a woman caned on the bare as a schoolgirl and when you eventually felt able to tell your story people dismissed it with derision.

Certainly Derbyshire may have been the scene of some unusual schoolgirl canings.  The report here from an archived local media website claims a girl was caned on the bottom up on stage in assembly in front of  of all the pupils and staff of a 1970s mixed secondary modern school (the same claim later appeared on Facebook), and a whole thread here gives examples of readers’ letters on the subject of the caning of schoolgirls from the Derby Evening Telegraph.  Such letters are not always totally reliable of course.  I have an extensive set of yellowing snippets from a Nottingham local paper on the same topic.

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And next, those Canadian paddles.  Hello Richard, how could you be so suspicious of the motives of your Conference organiser in purchasing a paddle for her friend who admired decorated rural handicraft items – or something like that!  

I reported here a paddle which hung over the bar of a pub I frequented in the 1970s, the Roundhouse on the outskirts of Derby, close to many of the city’s railway based businesses, which may have inspired the name.  The paddle was decorated  with a rather charming picture of a Bambi like deer trotting towards some trees, followed by a grizzly type bear. It bore the legend:

“For the little dear with the bare behind!”

Although ‘back at the office’ there were several young ladies I would quite like to have got into conversation with about the paddle, those of us who congregated there were exclusively male, hard-bitten shift operators and system support staff, so the opportunity never arose.  It is anyway doubtful that, unlike Richard, I would have had the nerve to raise the issue had any of the young ladies put in an appearance.  As noted above, local girls of that era might well have been au fait with being on the receiving end of CP and keen to expand into pastures new! 

Also for Richard, congratulations on identifying the location shown in the picture linked by those dreadful female krampus types.  Something I must have blurted out during my intensive interrogation about my activities here I think, a silly suspicion with very little foundation.  But believe me, down in those deep dank dungeons you’ll say anything – have you seen those rattan birches! Shudder! 

But absolutely no suggestion that Lisa might be Swedish.  Most certainly not!   Curiously though you may well have a flying start in deducing what my suspicion was and what triggered it.  

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To stujos  with his story about being unable to “a fiord” his proposed Norwegian trip I can only say:

We don’t wish to know that!  Kindly leave the stage!  

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And finally to davenhall:

Although there was lots of SCP in my time at school a little earlier than you, whole of class SCP was something I never encountered.  I am always intrigued by such punishments as they inevitably consumed quite a substantial amount of time, so teachers inflicting them must really have thought them both necessary and appropriate.

Can you recall, please, how the ones you encountered were conducted.  Class members called to the front individually, everybody in a queue at the front and first come first served, girls then boys or vice versa, teacher touring round the class or whatever?

Another Lurker,

Many thanks for the welcome! I did wonder if anyone would notice my absence then ‘re-appearance’… but I know that nothing escapes you! 🙂

stujos wrote:As I mentioned elsewhere, I saw Miss Norway again yesterday. As usual a good time was had by both. I believe that Oslo is supposed to be a beautiful city. I told her I’d love to go on a cruise along the Norwegian lakes, but can’t a fiord it!! Oh come on. it is almost Christmas!

There was a young lady from Norway
Who hung by her toes in a doorway.
She said to her beau
“Just look at me Joe
I think I’ve discovered one more way.”

P.S. Apologies to Edward Lear.

Hello WWT
I agree with you Stockholm is indeed a very beautiful city and I have had the pleasure of visiting several times over the years. I do have a few friends who come from Sweden but, let me set the record straight…………I’m 100% English.

(1st time) We were caned by a new Female Math teacher (part time) this happened in the 3rd year of secondary school.
It happened in the science room so all the tables were flat oblong ones.
She said we’d been noisy so I suppose she was trying to establish her authority it happened early in the year.
we were caned whilst sittng down she just went down every row & so some got it on the left & some on th right hand.
The second time happened in the same class room but this time by the male science Teacher.
How this was done I don’t know as thankfully I was off sick that day.

Hello, A.L.
It’s Paul:
Wishing you a splendid Christmas and a successful New Year.
Oh, indeed, so very true. Accident of birth indeed. But I have to say I can’t even recall a single girl in any of the schools I attended even remotely pushing the anger buttons of any teacher, or the school in general. I do recall in my 3^rd form, a blonde young lady named Georgina being made to stand up in front of the class while a young female teacher told her off for inattention, if I recall. But that was my lot! I often wonder what would have happened had a girl committed a misdemeanor that would have got a boy caned. ‘I wonder’ that is, when I’m in the mood for a bit ‘whacko.’ And I create possible scenarios! But when I have my reality hat on, not a cat in hell’s chance of any of my schools using SCP on girls.
To the criticism of my secondary school, they treated girls differently from us boys. I’ve mentioned before the story of Jackie in my first year class. Our form teacher took us for maths and he made Jackie class captain. Later she became a prefect. It was ‘Jackie this and ‘Jackie that.’
“Look at Jackie’s excellent work, class!”
I got told I was hopeless!
‘Jackie, please hand out the text books out…”
“Jackie open the windows.”
And the lecherous ol’ bloater used to put his arm around her waist and tell her how great she was. And of course she utterly loved it.  For indeed she was a pretty one.  I used to fantasise about smacking her bum, even at that age!
And all the boys got was, quote: “ A jolly old whack with the T-square.’
Then years later she reported me and another couple of boys for ringing the school bell.
‘Good old Jackie!’
You were extremely lucky, A.L!! There is enough evidence of a healthy scene prevailing in Nottinghamshire back in the day……. Mrs. Joan Thomas at the Rodney School being a very fine example. And, yes what about Nottingham children’s homes?!  I do have two reports on that incident.
One is headed ‘Fury Over Caning of Teenage Girl.’  (The Daily Star -4^th November 1980) . In it, STOPP’S Tom Scott made the comment, quote:
“God knows what harm it’s done her.”
Yet a couple of days later a further report was headed:
‘Girl in Caning Row Has Reformed’
It says that she had stopped mixing with prostitutes and drug dealers. Mmm, I wonder what Tom Scott’s response to that quote was?
She got three strokes across her pajamas bottoms, if I recall (although that is not mentioned in either of my two reports). It appears that the cane worked!
Regarding the hand canings, the downward stroke would lose speed if the hand was held out too low. Perhaps my first photo’ it is a tad too high, looking at it again. But too low it would lose impact. Plus the caner would become imbalanced.
Look at tennis, for example. I used to play a lot………..badly. I’ve had coaching, Lots of it. The coaches would always coach you to hit the ball at the top of the bounce to generate more return power. if you let the ball drop too low, you  end up making a more defensive, less powerful shot and you give your opponent more time to prepare.
But practice, Mr. A.L. Put out a cushion and take out the cane that you have whacked that darn ‘Best girl’ with on so many times and see what I mean……..Enjoy!!!!!
Thank you for the videos, A.L. I’ve seen a couple of them before, but they were a timely reminder of how schools were, especially in Scotland. I note that the teacher who strapped the lad in his office asked the boy to get his hands higher.
Although I clearly have interests in SCP, the videos do make me realise how schools today are so much better. Look at the horrid dullness of the bulding and its classrooms and corridors. They looked so forbidding.  Dismal!!!
No, the cane in my image of the second model is the same cane. I only have the one. It’s very old now. I bought it at the Janis shop in 1980.
My thoughts do compel me to add at least one of the more risqué photos of the blonde model. Actually one of those in mind would suit sending on New Year’s Eve!!!! Mmmm.
Thank you, A.L
Paul.

It’s Paul:
I’d like to second A.L’s sentiments and welcome you back to our forum.
You survey has stood the test of time on here. Like you, I love a survey! I’ve added a couple myself in the past.
Your comments regarding your mother echo why indeed I started this thread. I added the images, particularly the first couple where the model in them was a trained actress, to highlight how wrong hand caning was, especially for the smaller, more delicate hands of girls. We’ve been debating here about damage to hands, with some saying they’d never heard of it happening while others said they had.
You mother is a perfect example. I don’t care if it was in the 1940’s! A broken finger is wrong in any decade. You say her father complained. Whoever carried out that caning should have been permanently banned from using it.
It’s simply not good enough for all of us, including me, to merely suggest that, ‘Oh, that’s how it was then.’
I’m afraid the school your mother was educated at and the authority that governed it should have been taken to task.
I’m sure when Lisa reads your post she’ll second my thoughts.
Good to see you back, Robin.
Merry Christmas.
Paul.

Hi Paul,

I have to say after a bit of a slow start the survey did draw out a lot of information and interesting dialogue. I’m delighted that it’s stood the test of time so well.

Re. my mother, I couldn’t agree more. Caning girls on the hands should never have been sanctioned in any generation. It doesn’t take much though to realise the serious risk of injury. I’m not aware however that the school made any changes to its practice due to my grandfathers complaint.

Thanks for the welcome and have a great Christmas yourself.

Robin

marathon8 wrote:Again, to echo A.L, the contributions from \Six of the Best,’ are most enjoyable. Excellent accounts of his schooldays.
Merry Christmas, Six of the Best.

Paul

Thank you Paul. I’ve been a bit concerned that some of my posts may have seemed a bit boring.
Have a Happy Christmas and like me look forward to a Peaceful New Year.

Chris

Hello Paul,

Very sorry, but I have to stand my ground on the question of hand positioning for the administration of SCP on the hands

You say above:

A.L, did you notice the scene where the frightened boy kept moving his hands away, how the master’s swing lost momentum, and almost threw him off balance. So what am saying is if the hand is held just around chin height, the implement should hit it at maximum speed

If the recipient moved their hands aside when being tawsed the administrator of the punishment might need to slow down the tawse and take evasive action pretty darn quick if the tawse could otherwise strike them on the legs.  Hence the master appearing to  check the momentum and loose balance.

Watch the tawsing of the smaller boy again:

Why does he look so alarmed and protest that he won’t withdraw his hands again in an effort to remain standing for punishment rather than sitting in the vacated desk to be tawsed as instructed?  Quite simply because he knows that sitting in the desk his hands will be lower, allowing a longer arc of swing for the tawse, which will then hurt more.

Examine the various tawsings in the complete clip.  Through all the boys to the girl at the end.  With one exception the hands are presented between waist and  mid chest height, because that is where they would have been required to be positioned in reality.  Chin height would let the recipient off lightly methinks.

And now other matters arising from your earlier contribution #40 in this thread:

Your schoolmate Jackie sounds quite a character.  A teacher’s pet in both senses of the word!  And she became a Prefect too, you say.  I assume that it was in that capacity that she reported you for ringing the school bell.  I note that you don’t say what consequences befell you and your two fellow miscreants as a result of that episode.  Assuming that Jackie was a prefect and you weren’t then be thankful that your school didn’t follow the practice of my 1950s secondary school. where the prefects administered virtually all the day to day discipline of the school, sometimes via caning.

Unauthorised ringing of the school bell would certainly have come within the prefects’ remit and would quite probably have been a caning offence.  Just think, you might have found yourself up before the prefects’ court  and then bending over for three of the best from Jackie!  And it would have jolly well served you right for, as you admitted, fantasising about smacking her bum. 

However my secondary school was boys only, which is why my personal observation of the SCP of girls ceased at age 12.  My alter ego Brian ONC  posted back in 2016 on the subject of the prefects’ court.  The post was subsequently ravaged by the conversion to Tapatalk, though I managed to salvage this scurrilous picture from it:

He claimed that on my one and only appearance before the prefects’  court as a little lad in short trousers I would have been quite happy if the cane on the court table would have been wielded by a female prefect.  He was of course correct.  As a firm believer in equality even at that early age I could scarcely have cavilled had the situation illustrated come to pass.  But mini-skirts hadn’t been invented, the prefects were anyway all male, and the wielder of the cane would probably have been an 18 year old star of the school’s rugby 1st XV, so I was distinctly discommoded until I got lines instead!

That Nottinghamshire care home caning.  I wasn’t aware that it was allegedly over pyjamas.  A bit naughty if that was the case I think.  The rules appear to have said the clothed buttocks and I doubt they meant pyjamas!

The Rodney school and the caning exploits of Ms Thomas.  The thread on the school is here.  My belief now is that much of the school’s reputation for SCP in the later years was the result of clever manipulation of the media for publicity purposes.  There seems no doubt that during the period SCP in English private schools was legal but declining a significant number of parents were looking for schools where their sons and daughters would be caned if they misbehaved.

Ms Thomas seems to have wished to make sure that such parents were aware that the Rodney School would meet their aspirations and the media, always keen to run naughty girls caned on the bottom stories to aid circulation, were only too eager to assist her.  Even the broadsheets, the heavyweight section of the media joined in, as witness this 1994 article from the Independent on Sunday.  In the redtops photographs of penitent caned schoolgirls in uniform standing alongside Ms Thomas and admitting that their punishment had been fully justified, together with a side shot of the cane (see pictures in this post) were  also utilised.

When I might have attended the Rodney School in the early 1950s the cane and SCP were pretty much taken for granted so such publicity wasn’t needed.  However ’twas not to be, so my chance to regale the aficionados of this Forum with stories of being topped and tailed by Ms Thomas in my gym kit along with similarly clad female co-conspirators for midnight dormitory visiting exploits was lost for ever.  Do I regret it?  Well ’tis said that one should try anything once except incest and country dancing! 

And talking of exploits.  No more talk of possibly letting us see these naughtier shots from your SCP recreated files.  Action this day is what is now required I think!  Of course Tapatalk may not agree with me.  They often don’t.  

Hi Paul,
I watched the collection of clips and found the punishments to be completely unacceptable. They amounted to no more than plain brutality and just reinforces my opinion that it was one of the reasons the teaching profession lost its right to use corporal punishment in this country.  The teachers concerned in these clips were in my opinion no better than thugs in their use of the strap on these little boys. I’m not suggesting that these acted scenes should not have resulted in these boys being punished at all. If corporal punishment is required it should be adminstered in private and in a sensible way. Its outcome should be to teach the intended lesson and not be, as these clips suggest, be applied in front of entire classes and with a brutality that it is done more for the gratification of those adminstering it.
I’ve no doubt that from what I have learned from this forum that scenes like this were reality in many schools throughout the UK and it is with this knowledge that my opinion regarding the use of corporal punishment in our educational establishments has competely turned around. Cowardly thugs, and that is what they are, infiltrated the our schools and no amount of regulation could hold them back.
Is it really any wonder the cane was abandoned.
Lisa.

Probably, It was one stroke. All the strokes to the girls were about the same but some of the bigger boys got a much harder stroke, which I thought was unfair, but I was glad I wasn’t one of them. It was almost as if she wouldn’t insult them by giving them a light stroke.

 Hello Lisa,

Thank you for your seasonal wishes which are much appreciated, especially in view of the role as his assistant headmaster that Paul keeps assigning to me in connection with his frequent summonses for you to attend his office.  BTW  I suspect that regrettably the latest of these may not be for the purpose you assume in the final paragraph of your contribution #52 above!  

I am never entirely certain what my role as assistant head involves but I suspect that on that occasion it will be to bring in the punishment book and cane when Paul calls for them, like assistant headmaster Mr Keating does when headmistress Mrs McClusky phones for him in the Grange Hill snippet I linked in post #13 of this thread.

And a further warning:  After that episode of Grange Hill was broadcast some  SCP aficionados expressed disappointment that despite the teaser shot of Cathy’s tightly skirted and shapely posterior as she stood up to be punished she was actually caned on the hand.  If your forthcoming appointment with Paul were to be televised then despite the title of this thread I suspect that said SCP aficionados won’t suffer a similar disappointment! 

But fear not.  Ever helpful A_L  has a plan to distract Paul from his dastardly plot!  In my post #49 above I am hitting him with a double whammy:  Yet more technical criticism of his hand chastisement theories AND a speculation as to how narrowly he may have escaped being caned by a female prefect in his schooldays!  The latter would of course be a first for a male in this Forum and an attainment greatly to be envied. I am confident that the two items will so engage him as put his instruction to you in his contribution #44 right out of his mind! 

Hello A.L.
Thankyou for coming to my aid and your kind offer to distract Paul from, as you put it, his dastardly plot.
I really have little doubt that his intentions will result in me having some difficulty in adopting a sitting position for a few days at least and, as you suggest, aficionardos within this forum will not be disappointed with the outcome
After his last scenario in which he intended to carry out the ritual in front of an assembly he, as I recall, had to seek medical attention to regulate his blood pressure but, please A.L. do not put ideas in his head of televising such an event this would I fear hospitalise him
Lisa

Hi A.L.
Our 3 year was the most prolific time for female had canings. For English we had a rather tall strong looking Irishman as our teacher.
One day as he gave the exercise books out we were called up individually to collect them. He then told us what we were doing wrong & proceeded to cane a great many of us. (I escaped Phew!!) A good portion of the girls got it as well. Everyone held their right hand out & got a light to moderate stroke. One girl who facially was the prettiest in the class held her left hand out & got a much harder stroke. She didnt cry but she was finding it hard not to.

Hello Lisa,

Television!  Now there is an idea!  In past festive silly season less than serious threads I have been known to advocate the televising of Judicial CP¹.

The idea involved a teeny, teeny bit of minor judicial malfeasance.  Basically the young and physically attractive of both sexes committing minor offences would be hit with huge fines with the alternative of undergoing public JCP instead.  Nothing too severe, but enough to bring in paying audiences and attract peak time TV contract fees to boost revenue,  For those who couldn’t or wouldn’t pay the fines, on the night there’d be minimal clothing and a bit of parading about in chains etc. before being whacked.  Just the sort of thing to attract audiences, judging by some of the stuff people watch on TV!

Revenue could be boosted still further by allowing the not so young and not so physically attractive apprehended for minor offences and fancying their 15 minutes of fame to opt to take part.  Of course, they’d have to pay a fine as well to cover the cost of the necessary celebratory spanker JCP sessions.  There’d have to be celebratory spankers to deal with them ‘cos nobody would pay just to see the likes of Another_Lurker getting whacked!

But televising your sessions in Paul’s office?   Hmm, well I’m sure a refined and highbrow audience could be attracted, but would it be enough?   Sadly, without the minimal clothing and the parading about in chains, which seldom feature in SCP, probably not.  I fear not even bottle green gym knickers and 15 minutes in the corner hands on head afterward would be sufficient to cover the costs.  

However if my little plan in post #54 fails to distract Paul from his objective I’ll bounce the idea off him and see what he thinks.  Perhaps bottle green gym knickers, a lengthy preliminary lecture, followed by a Ms Thomas Rodney School style topping and tailing then the 15 minutes hands on head in the corner might just do it.  But Paul will have to invest in another cane.  That big one of his will be fine for the tailing, but he’ll need something smaller and more manageable for the topping!  

Note 1:  This will of course inevitably return when, as now seems inevitable, we fail to negotiate a proper Brexit, the economy collapses, society descends into chaos and ultra-right wing elements seize control  Remember, you heard it here first, and after all I tipped Mrs May for PM way before the established pundits.  Indeed at the time she was still Home Secretary and one contributor (no names, no pack drill) was suggesting her  as a likely celebratory spanker for me when my revenue raising JCP scheme was instituted.  

Dear A.L.
What have I let myself in for. I’ve no doubt when Paul reads your comments in post #58 his over active mind will run riot leaving me on the recieveing end of whatever you both devise. I do however worry about the effect these scenarios will have on your health. I would not like to think for one moment that my involvement would lead to your health deteriorating to the point of Apolexy. Anyway my extensive collection of lingerie dose not I’m afraid contain anything bottle green. I do hope though that you have both had a wonderful Christmas.
Lisa.

I was very well behaved but I still managed to get the Cane on 3 separate occasions. 1 stroke each time.

Back in the 1950s/60s it was difficult for boys to totally avoid the school cane or slipper. Six of the best was generally reserved for serious things and persistent troublemakers. Generally a caning was two or three strokes

I believe it was different for girls whether in mixed or single sex schools. Many girls schools used no CP even back then but plenty did. The ones that did varied between schools on tough estates and the more elite grammar schools. Most parents back then accepted and even expected their children to receive corporal punishment at school if they really misbehaved. From what I have heard or read of the majority of girls when caned received it across their hands and generally from a headmistress or a female teacher.

Many parents used much the same discipline at home too although very few parents used a cane although some did. It was very unusual for a parent to punish across hands. I only knew of two instances of a parent using a cane across hands. One was a father of two lads and the other a mother who caned her son of about 9 or 10 with the bamboo handle of a feather duster. That was a one off occasion when he really misbehaved.

Glad my father never used a cane his slipper was more than enough,i did get caned at school across my bottom that was agony my school never caned on the hands

Punishments, similar to those portrayed in the video clips, were way over the top. That Scottish strap looks like a vicious thing and if delivered with such ferocity (which I have no doubt it was), would surely result in total devastation and agony for the misfortunate recipient. The school leather that I experienced was much shorter and very rarely delivered with the venom as depicted in those clips but would still leave your hands burning and throbbing with searing pain that continued for ages.

sc545474 wrote:Glad my father never used a cane his slipper was more than enough,i did get caned at school across my bottom that was agony my school never caned on the

The slipper, it seems, was by far the most commonly used home spanking implement in the UK in more recent times; up to the 1980s, possibly later. However mum or dad’s hand was all that many parents used to great effect. It has to be remembered that in the family home there were no rules or guidelines. Sadly this meant that punishment in some homes came close or resulted as child abuse.

School CP was generally limited by rules; number of strokes, implement and clothing worn. In school, most punishments were, when applied, needed to be fairly swift yet painful.

All this said, times have changed and most people will agree that nowadays to prevent abuse, physical and/or sexual, the corporal punishment of youngsters is to be firmly discouraged.

Most of the time dad used his hand,but on the odd occasion he used an old plimsoll that his father used on him so he knew how painful it was ,usually it was around twelve whacks firmly applied.When he used his hand it could be any number from 12 upwards,sometimes trousers down,i would,nt say that was abuse i was being punished for bad behavior and i knew what to expect. Mum fully supported dads methods and dad knew when i had enough from his own experiences
One thing i did hate was going over his knee,that happened to him as a boy so he carried on the tradition with me

Hello, members,

Well first of all to Lisa: hello.

I thought you’d agree with me regarding the severity of the tawsings in the video A.L kindly sent to us. It seems from information gathered and posts on ‘Friends Reunited,’ school pupils in Scotland got whacked far more frequently and with greater ferocity than in England.  I’ve inspected a heavy, three tailed tawse. How such an implement was used on the palms in Scottish schools, and especially on girls, I shall never know
Anyway, I shan’t be letting you off, girl:
My office, Best. 8.30am, before assembly. First day  back at school! Six! And due to the shortness of your darn skirts, trousers, only, please. A terrible school prank in putting salt into Mr. A.L’s tea!!

……….Talking of school pranks; A.L, hello. You asked what happened to young Paul for his bell ringing exploits at school when the three of us were finally caught by Jackie!!! GOOD OLD SQUEAKY-CLEAN JACKIE!!!

The mistake the three of us made was over cooking the goose. We did it day after day, quite often throwing the school into a fair bit of chaos.
Good old Jackie caught us red-handed. Boy! She loved it! She acted so superior that afternoon. She wasn’t too familiar with my two accomplices, but she knew me well: we were class mates in first form. Well, not exactly mates. She only had eyes for Keith Bloomfield and Barry O Callaghan. Not the little inhibited skinny kid that I was.
I begged her not to report us, but she did. She loved my despairing plea.
Soon we were in the office of Mr. Learner, attired in his usual tatty grey suit that was far too big for him. He told us that we were a bunch of clots. I recall him asking us if we realised that in just over two years we’d be entering the world of work. He asked if we were going to set off bells/hooters in. places of work. Naturally he was going to inform our parents. My farther had a massive go at me, telling me it was time I grew up.
But sorry to disappoint, A.L. No, Jackie never did no such thing. This was just a comprehensive school in North London. I promise you, A.L, I’d have soon had her across my knee. Because by this time she had blossomed into a lovely looking girl.

So what happened to us, you ask? Well apart from a further telling off and the letter home, nothing. He told us we could go and spend some time thinking about what we had done. I do recall my class teacher telling me off for it.

Of hand positioning, I think you alluded to what I have said; just below chin height. So we agree!

Of naughty schoolgirls, I found this image of a badly behaved schoolgirl. Well, a girl having a moment of dare.
Members, a bit of fun for the New Year!! Let us assume SCP was allowed, as headmasters/mistresses, how would you deal with this naughty madam? A mere warning? Detention? Lines? Or would you implement your right to use SCP? If so, in what form and how many?

And do I post the risqué image(s) of my blonde model from the hand caning scenes for the New Year??? I hope moderators are happy for me to do so.

Best wishes,

Paul

Another_Lurker wrote:Hello Paul,

Very sorry, but I have to stand my ground on the question of hand positioning for the administration of SCP on the hands

You say above:

A.L, did you notice the scene where the frightened boy kept moving his hands away, how the master’s swing lost momentum, and almost threw him off balance. So what am saying is if the hand is held just around chin height, the implement should hit it at maximum speed

If the recipient moved their hands aside when being tawsed the administrator of the punishment might need to slow down the tawse and take evasive action pretty darn quick if the tawse could otherwise strike them on the legs.  Hence the master appearing to  check the momentum and loose balance.

Watch the tawsing of the smaller boy again:

Why does he look so alarmed and protest that he won’t withdraw his hands again in an effort to remain standing for punishment rather than sitting in the vacated desk to be tawsed as instructed?  Quite simply because he knows that sitting in the desk his hands will be lower, allowing a longer arc of swing for the tawse, which will then hurt more.

Examine the various tawsings in the complete clip.  Through all the boys to the girl at the end.  With one exception the hands are presented between waist and  mid chest height, because that is where they would have been required to be positioned in reality.  Chin height would let the recipient off lightly methinks.

And now other matters arising from your earlier contribution #40 in this thread:

Your schoolmate Jackie sounds quite a character.  A teacher’s pet in both senses of the word!  And she became a Prefect too, you say.  I assume that it was in that capacity that she reported you for ringing the school bell.  I note that you don’t say what consequences befell you and your two fellow miscreants as a result of that episode.  Assuming that Jackie was a prefect and you weren’t then be thankful that your school didn’t follow the practice of my 1950s secondary school. where the prefects administered virtually all the day to day discipline of the school, sometimes via caning.

Unauthorised ringing of the school bell would certainly have come within the prefects’ remit and would quite probably have been a caning offence.  Just think, you might have found yourself up before the prefects’ court  and then bending over for three of the best from Jackie!  And it would have jolly well served you right for, as you admitted, fantasising about smacking her bum. 

However my secondary school was boys only, which is why my personal observation of the SCP of girls ceased at age 12.  My alter ego Brian ONC  posted back in 2016 on the subject of the prefects’ court.  The post was subsequently ravaged by the conversion to Tapatalk, though I managed to salvage this scurrilous picture from it:

He claimed that on my one and only appearance before the prefects’  court as a little lad in short trousers I would have been quite happy if the cane on the court table would have been wielded by a female prefect.  He was of course correct.  As a firm believer in equality even at that early age I could scarcely have cavilled had the situation illustrated come to pass.  But mini-skirts hadn’t been invented, the prefects were anyway all male, and the wielder of the cane would probably have been an 18 year old star of the school’s rugby 1st XV, so I was distinctly discommoded until I got lines instead!

That Nottinghamshire care home caning.  I wasn’t aware that it was allegedly over pyjamas.  A bit naughty if that was the case I think.  The rules appear to have said the clothed buttocks and I doubt they meant pyjamas!

The Rodney school and the caning exploits of Ms Thomas.  The thread on the school is here.  My belief now is that much of the school’s reputation for SCP in the later years was the result of clever manipulation of the media for publicity purposes.  There seems no doubt that during the period SCP in English private schools was legal but declining a significant number of parents were looking for schools where their sons and daughters would be caned if they misbehaved.

Ms Thomas seems to have wished to make sure that such parents were aware that the Rodney School would meet their aspirations and the media, always keen to run naughty girls caned on the bottom stories to aid circulation, were only too eager to assist her.  Even the broadsheets, the heavyweight section of the media joined in, as witness this 1994 article from the Independent on Sunday.  In the redtops photographs of penitent caned schoolgirls in uniform standing alongside Ms Thomas and admitting that their punishment had been fully justified, together with a side shot of the cane (see pictures in this post) were  also utilised.

When I might have attended the Rodney School in the early 1950s the cane and SCP were pretty much taken for granted so such publicity wasn’t needed.  However ’twas not to be, so my chance to regale the aficionados of this Forum with stories of being topped and tailed by Ms Thomas in my gym kit along with similarly clad female co-conspirators for midnight dormitory visiting exploits was lost for ever.  Do I regret it?  Well ’tis said that one should try anything once except incest and country dancing! 

And talking of exploits.  No more talk of possibly letting us see these naughtier shots from your SCP recreated files.  Action this day is what is now required I think!  Of course Tapatalk may not agree with me.  They often don’t.  

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Hi,

In the first video, what is the name of the last movie? (11:04 – 13:30)

Hello Andrei1983,

You really don’t need to quote half the thread to ask a question you know!  

If you read the text in my post #22 in the thread above, when I re-posted the tawsing clips video a year ot two after it was first posted by Dean Clarke, you will see that immediately under the video frame I said with regard to the video:

………… The second section, in which both boys and girls are seen being tawsed is I think from the film ‘NEDS’ (Non-Educated DelinquentS) made in 2010.  NEDS was shot in the Lourdes Catholic Secondary School in Glasgow, so the changeover point may be identified when crucifixes begin appearing on the walls.

I think the NEDS segment of the video begins rather earlier than the time you give, but no matter.

In view of the known thoroughness of the video clip’s compiler I suspect that the clip will include all the tawsing scenes in the film, though I cannot be sure of this.  Googling NEDS film should get you more hits about the film than you can shake a stick at!  For starters here is a link to a page about the film which includes a video trailer.

sets up the machine guns and the mortar on the roof in case anyone else wants to go all …if in this scenario

Hi, Members,
It’s Paul:

Happy New Year to all our members and our forum management team. May it be prosperous and enjoyable.

Here is a photo’ of the blonde model from the hand caning set that I posted earlier on this thread
In this shot, she is about to be caned on the r-r-r-r REAR. (My false teeth have just landed on the keyboard!).

But look at the fearful anticipation on her face, not the navy blues!!!! Sincere apologies to my loyal deputy head, Mr A.L, that the girl is NOT attired in bottle greens!

Again to A.L, to answer your question, of course, yes, a model release was raised and signed as was a shoot contract. Also, her mother was present at the shoot. It was quite a few years ago now.

With all the models that I have worked with on ‘school shoots,’ I think this girl was by far the best. Does she not capture, in that brief moment, the look of a girl who, ‘back in the day, ‘ was seconds away from tasting the cane for the first time? Her face, as you can see, is a tad flushed ( But so was Paul’s) LOL!.

She is wearing a red plaid on this occasion. Is it the type of skirt that should be flipped up?

May I add that this image is not the risque image that I wanted to post. I wouldn’t want to upset fellow members or indeed our team who give us the platform to discuss and enjoy our favourite topic: SCP! I only hope that this image is far more acceptable to everyone.

I guess it just leaves me to say……………………………….

BOTTOMS UP!

Paul.

I fell sorry for the poor man that was assigned for caning that young woman.

He has to harden his heart to that look and not be so distracted that he gives the wrong number of strokes.

His only comfort will be knowing that some day she will return to thank him for caring enough about her to cane her.

It is hard to believe that high school age girls are being paddled for tardies.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DLKTw6DDKIY/S … stDay3.jpg

Hello American Way,

Your cartoon link at the end of your contribution #73 above rang a bell.  I thought I had seen it somewhere before associated with a second frame.  I possibly have, but investigation shows that it is actually part of a series of no less than 13 frames!  As some of our readers may enjoy it,  and because by repetitive copy/paste it is very simple to do, I will link the full set.

Warning! Although these are cartoons (the site actually calls them anime) there is some depiction of bare bottoms.

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDayIntro.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay1.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay2.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay3.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay4.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay5.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay6.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay7.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay8.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay9.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay10.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDay11.jpg

https://animeotk.com/gallery/data/972/FirstDayEnd.jpg

These are not my normal type of link, it’s just quicker to keep it simple.

I posted many of those images from that comic series here already but not from the anime site.  They can be accessed by an unsavory site (Punishment Poses) as well.  It was clever how it made the job that of a college disciplinarian to skirt the age requirement.  Rookie teachers right fresh out of college are paddling older high school students.  Any student that graduates from a school that still paddles and goes to college in almost all the states soon realizes just how out of step they are from mainstream America.

Hi American Way,
Thank you.
Ah,yes, dear old Endart, of course. A unique style! One of the best! His ability to create such excellent, strong characters, particularly  his female recipients of the CP, was special. But moreover, his ability to create the curvaceous curves of the female bottom.
Thank you, too,  A.L. You must be a fan, too,
Mmmmmm, great memories. I have a vast collection of his work and it saddens me that he no longer weaves his magic!!! The Amber Page artwork was another set that thrilled me!
Thank you, both.
Paul.

Hello Paul,

You said to me in your contribution #77  above regarding the artist Endart:

Thank you, too,  A.L. You must be a fan, too,

Actually, no.  Until your above contribution I hadn’t realised that Endart was the pseudonym of an artist!

Initially I recalled seeing another image associated with the image linked in American Way‘s contribution #73 above and used Google Images to try to find it.

When I encountered the set I linked in contribution #74  I noted the endart.com identity logo on them (it had been removed on the image American Way linked) but assumed that this was the site which had originally hosted the images.  I tried the URL but it doesn’t exist and the domain name is for sale.

You also said of Endart in contribution #77:

His ability to create such excellent, strong characters, particularly  his female recipients of the CP, was special. But moreover, his ability to create the curvaceous curves of the female bottom.

And thereby lies a tale.  

When I found the set of images I linked I was somewhat annoyed to find that the site would not let me view them unless I signed in.  No charge, but they wanted an email address etc. which I object to giving.  However I noticed that in coding the site they had made a rather silly and elementary mistake in the site design.  The sort of thing that deserves no mercy if they are going to do annoying things like asking for email addresses.  I was thus able to both view the images and link them here without the email address.  No hacking or anything like that.  Just a very basic tweak.

However as this could be construed as rather naughty I was going to put my customary joke about potential consequences and looked to see if I could find a suitable cartoon F/M  image.  This one quickly turned up.  However iit looked a tad severe, and besides if the worst came to the worst I’d prefer not to be dealt with in company!  So I was going to use this one.

But in copy/pasting the post I contrived to lose the relevant paragraph off the end of the text, posted without noticing and didn’t bother to correct my omission.

Tonight I noted that not only are these images endorsed endart.com like the set of images, but they also include drawn by Endart in the title.  So indeed as you say, Endart was the artist.  And he didn’t confine himself to illustrating female recipients of CP! 

Hi, Members,
It’s Paul:
Okay, okay. The more risque image of my blonde model that we have spoken about…well not ‘we,’ specifically. Rather A.L and I, is posted
I hope nobody finds it offensive or out of context. It’s lighthearted and a bit of fun, I hope you all feel.

In this shot I got asked the model to face the walk holding up her skirt before the caning.

I started this thread and added the hand caning images to demonstrate hand caning and discuss the merits or unsuitability of the practice. Is the model showing through her pained expression how hand caning really was? And does her painful look makes us think that perhaps that level of discomfort should be about right for one being punished or would it be too much for a girl with hands that are far smaller than that of boys?

Finally I ask, if members. here, were headmasters/headmistresses  back before the ban and you were presented with such a girl to cane, would you have opted for the ‘hold out you hand, girl,’ option,.  or the ‘bend over’ option?
I hope you enjoy the image.

Paul.

here is the the image. LOL

Hello Paul,

Hmm, although we can’t yet see that picture I have to say (in jest of course) that from your above explanation of it in contribution #80 your storyline is all wrong!

As I’ve already explained in post #75 above, the facing the wall bit comes after the caning not before.  No need for the skirt to be held up by the girl, it’s still pinned up after the female witness’s ministrations prior to the caning.  The girl’s hands should be clasped behind her head, elbows well back.  Primarily to stop her trying to ameliorate the effects of the caning but also to impose a  little more physical discomfort to focus her mind on why she’s there.

Penny held by nose and not to drop, elbows not to touch wall and waiting punitive implement to be used on back of thighs if either contingency occurs optional but perhaps best avoided in photo session.

You will remember all that for your next shoot, win’t you?  

Seriously, your picture posting difficulties.  Possibly you are repeated ly doing something wrong.  I’ve done it and I’ve watched others do it many times in a computer situation.  Your brain somehow gets locked onto the incorrect sequence and keeps repeating it.

Or possibly there is a temporary glitch at Tapatalk preventing pictures being uploaded and embedded in contributions.

There was a case a couple of weeks ago where in fairly close proximity timewise Richard could post a picture and I couldn’t.  Not long afterwards it once again  worked ok for me too.  Quite possibly it was me not Tapatalk that was responsible for the problem.

I used Imgur instead when I didn’t seem to be able to make it work at Tapatalk..  If that’s ever any use to you and you are not sure how to proceed just ask.  Meantime I look forward to your renewed effort to post tomorrow.

The remarks about hand caning being dangerous do carry some weight. I remember meeting an old friend about 15 years ago. We had been at junior school together. I passed my 11+ exam and went to grammar school. He didn’t and went to a local secondary modern school. We talked of various teachers who we remembered from junior school. I mentioned one and he immediately said that the same teacher had moved to his secondary school a few years after him and he was in that teacher’s form in about the third year there (Year 9 nowadays). I said that I remember that teacher as being quite pleasant . He laughed and said he certainly wasn’t nice in senior school and that he had been caned across his hands by him there. Apparently one stroke burst a blood vessel leaving his hand very badly bruised and swollen for days.

I knew the girls in their grammar school that adjoined mine were occasionally caned on their hands for serious misbehaviour. I remember one girl that I knew getting two strokes. She had been caught chatting with other girls who were caught in “smokers’ corner”. They had been caught smoking but she wasn’t smoking herself. They were all sent to the headmistress and caned including her.

She was a prefect and saw the headmistress as almost an adult friend. She was very shocked that she had been caned by her. I met the girl on the way home from school that day. She said that her hands still hurt a bit. Besides being upset by being thought of as a smoker she was very concerned what her parents would think. At 16 they were beginning to treat her as a young adult.

She knew that they’d be upset and wondered if they might consider punishing her again like they did in the past. She hoped they’d believe her and that she wouldn’t get the slipper again like she’d had in the past. She wasn’t a girlfriend of mine, I just knew her because she lived in the same street as me. I never found out what happened when her parents found out.

Hello six of the best,

Most interesting that the girl of your acquaintance was caned at grammar  school as a prefect.  I have the impression from your account that she herself regarded that as a very unusual incident at the school.  Are you able confirm that please, I realise it was a long time ago.  Presumably she was a sixth former at the time.

At my school the prefects caned other pupils and I’d be amazed if that was the case at a girls’ school anywhere in the UK, so there isn’t a direct comparison.  But in the case of prefects, who managed most of the schools non-academic disciplinary matters,  any offence serious enough to merit caning would have been viewed as an enormous breach of trust and I think loss of prefect status rather than the cane would have been the outcome.

Possibly your acquaintance’s headmistress decided that in view of the fact that her crime was one of association rather than the proven guilt of smoking, caning her was more merciful than demoting her.

Another_Lurker wrote:Hello six of the best,

Most interesting that the girl of your acquaintance was caned at grammar  school as a prefect.  I have the impression from your account that she herself regarded that as a very unusual incident at the school.  Are you able confirm that please, I realise it was a long time ago.  Presumably she was a sixth former at the time.

At my school the prefects caned other pupils and I’d be amazed if that was the case at a girls’ school anywhere in the UK, so there isn’t a direct comparison.  But in the case of prefects, who managed most of the schools non-academic disciplinary matters,  any offence serious enough to merit caning would have been viewed as an enormous breach of trust and I think loss of prefect status rather than the cane would have been the outcome.

Possibly your acquaintance’s headmistress decided that in view of the fact that her crime was one of association rather than the proven guilt of smoking, caning her was more merciful than demoting her.

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As I have said in previous posts, the boys and girls schools were, to a large extent, separate entities sharing the same site and two buildings linked. I believe both schools used much the same prefect system with prefects having very little power. Prefects were appointed in the fifth form and became senior prefects when in the sixth form.

The girl I mentioned was a fifth former at that time. Compared to the boys school, the girls school rarely used the cane. Only the headmistress caned the girls.  Like many schools back then smoking was seen as a serious offence although many teachers openly smoked themselves. A I remember it was difficult to see across the staffroom at breaktime for tobacco smoke.

As I have already said this girl was no way a ‘girlfriend’ she just lived close to me. I believe she went to university and married had had a family. She was certainly regarded as a clever and sensible girl when I knew her. Why she had ‘strayed’ into the ‘smokers corner’ at that fateful time I have no idea. She didn’t seem to be too concerned that her hands had been hurt by the cane more that she had been seen as one of the school’s ‘naughty girls’.

Her main worry was what her parents would think. I remember being surprised at the time when she said that they had punished her in the past with a slipper. It was something that few girls would have admitted getting at home even back then.

Hello six of the best,

Thank you for the clarification.

Most interesting to hear about the system at both grammar schools of appointing prefects in the 5th form and then them becoming senior prefects in the 6th form.  To me at least it does make it easier to see why the girl was caned.  I guess the view would be that caning a prefect for what might be regarded as a silly mistake wasn’t such a stigma as it would have been if she’d been a senior prefect.

Most of our prefects were 3rd year 6th formers, with the occasional 2nd year 6th former getting a prefect’s cap and tie.  I don’t know if it is still the case but then if you were heading for Oxbridge you normally did an extra year in the sixth form.

Some 1st year 6th formers, and many 2nd year 6th formers became ‘privileged 6th formers’, shortened to privs.  Once you got that your worries about the prefects’ court were over as you were a sort of sub-prefect.  Privs could put people in the prefects’ book for a court appearance if they chanced to apprehend them in some mischief.  They also supervised sandwich rooms at lunch time, collected unfortunates due before the prefects’ court, escorted them up there and dumped them to wait to be called in and other minor duties.

They didn’t get to cane though, not that I think I could have done.  And although I was a priv for most of my time in the 6th form I never booked anyone either.  I considered a word in their ear sufficient.  I wasn’t going to expose anyone to the risk of the prefects’ caning I’d dreaded myself.

But a minor niggle if I may please.  Is it really necessary to quote the whole of the immediately preceding post?

Quote:

But a minor niggle if I may please.  Is it really necessary to quote the whole of the immediately preceding post?

I often tightly edit ‘quotes’ but sometimes when busy I just use the quote facility completely!

Another_Lurker wrote:There was a case a couple of weeks ago where in fairly close proximity timewise Richard could post a picture and I couldn’t.  Not long afterwards it once again  worked ok for me too.  Quite possibly it was me not Tapatalk that was responsible for the problem.

I never did manage to post that particular pic. The one you are referring to in your above post was a replacement. As you know I’m no technophile but I suspect it might have been because the source was an adult site. I should mention here that I only visit such unsavoury realms of the Internet for research purposes  I’ve posted other (risqué) photos without a problem, purely to assist my fellow reprobates researchers with their investigations of course.

It is possible that Tapatalk can identify the source of certain photos and block those posts?

I would be interested to know the source of the picture Paul is trying to post.

P.S. It does seem that Tapatalk can block certain items. On another thread I tried twice to copy and paste the story told in the link below but without success. Could it be that the story contain a four letter word albeit a rather mild one?

Link removed. Ed.

Hi, members,
It’s Paul:
I can confirm that Tapatalk, assumably, do block certain genres of images. For example, I experimented by adding some of my school photoshoot images that showed models sitting at desks doing school work, or being caned on the hand. Those would have been accepted. Then I tried  a few glamour images of mine,  then some caning on the  exposed bottom images, and it wouldn’t add them to the thread. I then tried my blonde model image again. NOPE!. Sorry folks!

I know that a member of ours did add a bare bottom caning image a short while ago. Maybe at that time Tapatalk were not quite on the ball. They certainly are now.

May I add that the image of the blonde girl that I wanted to add was not of a fully exposed bottom.

Paul

Hello six of the best, A young Lady I worked with went to the same school as me about 5 years a so later. She told me she was walking through a clockroom with a couple of other girls & stopped to talk to some girls who were smoking. The Deputy Headmaster came in & caught them & although they weren’t smoking they were all taken to his office. They were invited in one at a time (in alphabetical order) & given 6 of the best.
One of her friends (Who I also new at work) whose name stated with “A” Went first & came out crying saying “That hurt”
She said she had to continue to comfort her even after her own caning when her own hands were sizzling. She said that she hadn’t cried & Had never cried despite having the cane on multiple times & 6 on quite a few occasions.

Hi davehall,

Six for smoking seems quite severe but I think that canings across hands were often most strokes than a caning across the buttocks. Many saw hand canings as a less severe punishment.

Did you receive CP at that school yourself? Was it across the bottom for boys and across hands for girls there?

Chris

For girls perhaps, but boys always got 6 for smoking when I was there. The headmaster always used to stress that at assembly & he didn’t say girls were exempt.
My school only caned on the hands normally boys & girls. It was the only punishment. no lines or detentions.
I had the cane on 3 separate occasions, 1 stroke each time.

Thanks for the prompt reply davenhall

Despite what many here have suggested over the years, many UK schools only caned across hands. Fairer perhaps in mixed schools where girls also received the cane.

It was also a quicker simpler method of caning provided the youngster ‘co-operated’ by holding his or her hand out and kept it still. Difficult after a few strokes though.

Some caners made the youngster change hands after each stroke while others gave half the strokes to one hand then the remaining half to the other hand.

Punishments across hands by parents were rare. Not totally unknown, one of my friends had that from his mother a few times, the bamboo handle of a feather duster was used.

Who caned the girls in your school? Where you at school in the 1960s or 70s?

f

Smoking in school earned 6 strokes of the cane on the bottom usually accompanied with a letter home to parents warning of expulsion for a repeat offence. Although I was never caught boys who were found smoking sported purple wheals on their backsides for some time afterwards.

A letter home after a school caning often meant more trouble at home

Hello Paul,

Sorry to hear of your problems posting ‘that’ picture.  I shall conduct some experiments.

However you did very well with the two pictures you did post.  Two very attractive young ladies, surely far too well behaved to deserve SCP   but nonetheless acting their parts very well indeed!

It is possible that Tapatalk is using some sort of software to decide if pictures are acceptable on upload,  It is I think unlikely that there is any human intervention so early in the process.  There have been enormous strides recently in the field of digital image analysis, largely driven by those who would wish to be able to identify us all automatically  on CCTV footage.

You probably can’t be bothered anymore, but it would be interesting to chop your picture into two vertical segments with a carefully selected boundary and see if the upload process will accept the picture that way.  Vertical segments can be readily recombined  seamlessly (well at least for anyone viewing on a proper computer screen) via a table cell.  I’ve done several that way,

Hello Paul,

Results of upload experiments.

Tapatalk are clearly using some type of image scanning software to determine if images are what they term ‘adult’.

It isn’t terribly clever though.  I think, but cannot be absolutely sure, that it can detect a human shape provided that the figure is not distorted, for instance bent over.  It possibly only looks at foreground shapes or the largest ones in the image.  Having detected a human figure I think the software looks for excess flesh colour in the appropriate parts of the figure

Warning!  Image linked below contains partial nudity.

I used this image as a test.  The young lady has clearly been rather naughtier than the girl in your image and while she appears to be having to hold up her skirt  she has also had to bare her bottom! 

I copied the picture and uploaded it,  At the end of the upload, instead of ‘uploaded’ appearing a small yellow triangle containing an exclamation mark appeared instead.  When I clicked on the triangle a box appeared saying:

Error:  The uploaded image was removed due to violation of groups content rules (e.g: adult images)

I then downloaded a copy of Richard‘s image  and uploaded it.  Absolutely no problem, I was able to embed it in the post and view it correctly on preview.

I then tried a couple more pictures of girls bent over bare bottomed being caned,  Again no problem, I could embed them and view them on preview.

Next, to maintain the  gender balance  I tried a picture of Kailee, one of Mr Masterson’s all female copyright enforcement squad, caning a bare bottomed male ‘prisoner’ in the Denver dungeons.  That one failed and got the adult content message, possibly due to the fact that although the poor chap was slightly bent over  on a bench he was more or less in line and presumably recognised as a human figure.  Or the problem might have been Kailee, who wasn’t exactly overdressed.

Next I took the original picture of the girl doing bare bottomed corner time, as linked above, and  chopped it vertically through the centre of the figure.  Both segments uploaded ok, presumably because half a human figure didn’t compute as a human, and I was able to recombine them in a table cell and display the picture correctly on preview.

So there we have it.  Traditionally bent over (touching toes type bend) being punished bare  bottomed is fine by the groups content rules, apparently.

However standing upright or prone with more than a minimum of bare flesh (legs and/or bottom isn’t

And half people are ok with half bare bottoms!

Now I’m sure that isn’t what Tapatalk intend  and I have to say that considering the enormous technical problems whatever they are using does well to attain Curate’s egg standards,  good in parts.  Personally though I take a dim view of software that is only ‘good in parts’ being used.  There’s far too much of it about and it’s what gives computer systems a bad name and causes users endless frustration.  On any other site I’d exploit its weaknesses ruthlessly.  But I’m not going to do so here.  I’ll stick with warnings on links.

six of the best wrote:Thanks for the prompt reply davenhall

Despite what many here have suggested over the years, many UK schools only caned across hands. Fairer perhaps in mixed schools where girls also received the cane.

It was also a quicker simpler method of caning provided the youngster ‘co-operated’ by holding his or her hand out and kept it still. Difficult after a few strokes though.

Some caners made the youngster change hands after each stroke while others gave half the strokes to one hand then the remaining half to the other hand.

Punishments across hands by parents were rare. Not totally unknown, one of my friends had that from his mother a few times, the bamboo handle of a feather duster was used.

Who caned the girls in your school? Where you at school in the 1960s or 70s?

f

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Hi six of the best, Strangely enough it wasn’t difficult to keep holding ones hand out as when the cane struck it went numb. you were back in your chair before the pain started. It then exploded into searing pain that just got hotter & hotter. The girls during my time at school could be caned by any teacher, but some of the men would sometimes send them to the senior Mistress.

davenhall wrote:Hi six of the best, Strangely enough it wasn’t difficult to keep holding ones hand out as when the cane struck it went numb. you were back in your chair before the pain started. It then exploded into searing pain that just got hotter & hotter. The girls during my time at school could be caned by any teacher, but some of the men would sometimes send them to the senior Mistress.

I  presume that you mean when taking a single stroke of the cane. I remember when I took my first school caning on my backside I bent over without too much fear. I was expecting a similar hurt as being spanked at home. Being spanked made my bottom sore but the individual spanks especially the initial ones were nothing like the ferocious bit of the school cane. I can well understand a cane stroke firmly given across the hand was incredibly painful too.

No pupils who received multiple strokes of the cane had no problem keeping their hand out & steady & they didn’t make a sound.
It was only a few minutes later when  the terrific pain came.

A brave bunch of youngsters! Did you ever see girls being caned that way?

Talking of bravado, I never knew of any boy in my school standing before up his caning was completed. It was an unwritten rule that you stayed in place until the cane had stopped being swished across your bottom and you were told to stand up. Boys who wriggled a lot were warned that unless they stayed still they were get an additional stroke of the cane.

At home it was usually one hand on my back to make sure I stayed still while the other hand or slipper spanked my bare bottom.

Yes, girls took it the same as boys but more girls cried afterward.

CathyG wrote:I cannot imagine being hit on the hands!!  Must have messed up ones penmanship.  lol

i agree,,i thought it was bad when i got a swat of a ruler to the hands

CathyG wrote:I cannot imagine being hit on the hands!!  Must have messed up ones penmanship.  lol

It did indeed make holding a pen and writing, very difficult. after a slap from the leather,the hand would be totally numb for ages- then when the throbbing would set in, it was impossible to even attempt to write properly.

CathyG wrote:I cannot imagine being hit on the hands!!  Must have messed up ones penmanship.  lol
Yes it was difficult if you got it on the writing hand.. Male Teachers seem to hit harder on the left hand when caning girls if they were giving 2 strokes.

At my school smoking offences always resulted in an appointment with the headmaster who always awarded the culprit six strokes of the school cane and I believe he would adminster the caning quite severely for this particular crime which, I think was correct taking into account the health risks involved. Thank goodness I never took up the habit.
Lisa

davenhall wrote:For girls perhaps, but boys always got 6 for smoking when I was there. The headmaster always used to stress that at assembly & he didn’t say girls were exempt.
My school only caned on the hands normally boys & girls. It was the only punishment. no lines or detentions.
I had the cane on 3 separate occasions, 1 stroke each time.

At our school, the principal stood up in front of all at an assembly at beginning of year.   Stated that smoking, cutting class, and fighting would result in a spanking.  She did that same speech all 3 years I was there.   And, yes, she later paddled me

4pm, Miss Best……My office

When corporal punishment becomes assault, as described in the link below even a dyed in the wool spankophile like me is appalled.

https://ewn.co.za/2019/01/28/ec-teen-wa … o-teachers

That is absolutely horrific– has no place in any society.

Abuses can be pointed out at anytime in the history of corporal punishment but the ignoring of banns is something that is not universal.

https://www.iol.co.za/news/opinion/seve … s-11514666

Hi WWT,
It’s Paul:
Hope all is well.
A clear case of abuse, of that there is no question. Too many strokes, too much force, and the result is that the limb is broken in two places. Those responsible should be sacked and barred from ever teaching again.
Then we have a cover up and an offer of a financial settlement. This needs a thorough investigation from the highest level.
I’m shocked that the student in question was seventeen.
Also, and it is obvious that I’m wrong, but I thought SCP had been banned in South Africa (????).
This also goes back to my point a few weeks ago about my thinking that caning on the hand is dangerous; if this is what an abusive caning does, then it’s clear to see how a less severe dose has caused cases of swollen fingers, bruising, strained writs  and,  and yes, even broken fingers. There have been many cases in the UK. Such incidents were well documented on FB and FU. And in one of my STOPP publications, there was a case where a male teacher caned a girl every time she got a question wrong. On each occasion he’d add a stroke. I think he ended up giving the girl about eight strokes. As Lisa Best has said in the past, no wonder it was banned.
I shall endeavour to put the above case on a thread when I have time.
A good find WWT. One to add to my files. Thank you for sharing.
I hope your writing is going well. I’m busy with it myself at present
Thank you.
Paul

A case can be made that after over 40 years of women liberation and the absence of corporal punishment that given the awareness of spanking as an erotic activity no adolescent girl should be spanked on her bottom even if an implement such as a paddle is being used.  It is shocking to an overwhelming majority of Americans that this is happening everyday in our middle and high schools.

It can be argued that a strap on the hand would be a safer alternative to the cane.  If in the seventies young ladies were considered in need of corporal punishment would there be a better way than a super strap administered by a female teacher.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/60 … 4328bc.jpg

I am not a fan of punishing hands but if a strap can provide the pain intended while doing the least amount of long term injury than it might make sense if corporal punishment makes sense.  If young ladies are less well behave in 2019 than 1976 in the UK as in the USA than one might need super super strap for brattish behavior.

Unless it hurts it cannot adjust attitude or modify behavior.  In spite of a certain loss of dignity you can see why some girls would prefer their bottoms to be the target especially with this woman wielding it to her heart’s content.

https://ia600109.us.archive.org/BookRea … 8&rotate=0

https://ia600109.us.archive.org/BookRea … 8&rotate=0

https://archive.org/details/TheCorporal … ls/page/n5

https://www.corpun.com/uksc7608.htm

Miracles without a cane.

A miracle without a cane https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no … t-15121380

One of the better UK magazines of this genre was Fessee.  They don’t make magazines like this anymore now that we live in a cyber world.  Their demise is our loss.  They were more artistic than pornographic. That balance is sorely missed in our days

What’s a warm bottom without a mild hand caning? More disciplinary than sadistic but I’m sure wouldn’t pass the test of contemporary British censors. Caveat nudity ergo passively linked.

https://ia801508.us.archive.org/BookRea … 4&rotate=0

Paula Meadows had the best artwork and she saved the best of the best for the magazine’s cover.

https://ia801503.us.archive.org/BookRea … 4&rotate=0

The compendium.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=me … panking%22

I met a long lost friend from my childhood, not that many years ago. I’d known him from various youth organisations but we had gone to different schools. He mentioned his senior school and one of the teachers there. Oddly enough I’d known the.same teacher at my junior school prior to that. I said I remembered him as being a friendly nice person there. My friend said he certainly wasn’t like that when he knew him at senior school. He went on to say that he’d had the cane from him a few times. Always across the hands in his senior school, my grammar school caned and slippered across our bottoms. He said one stroke damaged his hand so badly it broke a blood vessel or  something. his hand was very badly swollen and bruised for ages. His parents were shocked by this. He didn’t say if they complained to the school or not. Like most they didn’t believe in hand canings. This was back in the mid 1960s.