I’ve been a lurker on here for some time and enjoyed reading the posts, so I guess now I should start to contribute. I’ve often looked at posts and wondered if this topic would crop up, of being asked by the headmaster, almost giving us a choice of an excuse…. ‘Is There Any Reason I Should Not Cane You’ …but maybe it was just a unique thing to him. Many boys wanted to say…….. ‘Yes it hurts , is that a good reason’ ……… but I don’t think any actually did. I’m guessing some sort of medical reason might have got you off but I don’t think anyone ever did provide a reason. My first caning at secondary school in the 60’s and I was asked the question but I think I just mumbled something whilst shaking with fear.
The threat of the cane was always worse and for anyone who had reached 13/14 like myself and hadn’t been caned the fear of the unknown and hearing all the horror storys of the cane I guess was far more frightening than for those who had actually experienced the cane, painful as it was. I know after experiencing my first caning, painful as it was the prospect of a second caning didn’t nearly worry me so much !!!!!!
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dane
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Jul 03, 2018#2
perhaps if you said, “because if you try to i will fight you with all my strength and all my determination, and if you succeed i will devote myself from this day forward to seeking vengeance upon you and yours until the day i or you die.” they might have second thoughts, though you would have to expect expulsion, especially if you carried through on your threat.
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Another_Lurker
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Jul 04, 2018#3
Hello Red_bum,
An interesting topic. A pity it hasn’t attracted more responses, but I fear that is the way of things nowadays. I hope you won’t be deterred from posting on other topics.
I was never caned. The cane wasn’t used at my junior school, and at secondary school I tried very hard to avoid it, and succeeded! Both the Prefects and the Headmaster caned. Fortunately the only time I might have been caned by the Prefects I was both very junior and a first offender so I got off with lines. In fact the cane prominently displayed on the table of the Prefects’ Court was the only time I saw a cane in my school career, and I was mightily relieved when I realised that it wasn’t going to be applied to the tightly stretched seat of my short trousers!
I might have been caned by the Headmaster. The gross lack of effort which led to me failing mock A-levels when I’d been tipped as a top performer could well have been construed as letting the school down, a sin above all sins. Worse still, having got fed up with working and pretty much stopped, I’d instead devoted my efforts to successfully concealing the situation, thus deceiving staff including the Head, in whose Maths set I was.
So when I entered the Head’s study for the resulting interview I thought that I might not be allowed to take A-levels and I might be caned. Happily, after an interview the memory of which still makes me shiver, neither fear was realised.
And so I’ve no idea if either Prefects or Headmaster asked if there was any reason why they shouldn’t before administering the cane. However it seems a perfectly sensible and prudent question to ask, though it does beg the question as to whether the person addressed would be in any fit state to respond coherently. Your description of your first caning suggests that you weren’t, and I doubt that I would have been.
However various factors if revealed might possibly be sufficient to postpone or excuse a caning whilst having been previously unknown to the intending caner. You mention medical reasons, perhaps a temporary condition which unlike something more permanent, for instance severe asthma, would not appear on school records.
Another possibility which comes to mind is having already been caned in the very recent past. For instance I suspect that at my secondary school 3 stokes from the Prefects in the person of the captain of the 1st XV, closely followed by 6 of the best from the Head, or vice versa, might have done damage inconsistent with a reasonable level of school corporal punishment. Neither party would necessarily have known about the caning by the other. There was a right of appeal to the Head over canings by the Prefects but it wasn’t always exercised.
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Jul 05, 2018#4
i guess like anything in life, not knowing about it does build up were you actually cause yourself more grief then need be. I too never had the cane but ruler and strap. So i guess in my experience like you the second and so on…you knew what to expect so that was half the worry!
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Red_bum
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Jul 06, 2018#5
Thank you Another Lurker for your greeting and No don’t worry, I look forward to posting on other topics. Nowadays I’m into adult school role play and look back and wonder how 6 stokes of the cane in childhood could spread so much fear into us, where as now at places like Whipstock Grange in role play and visiting certain ladies (who dont exactly hold back !!) 50 + strokes in a session is about usual. As I said earlier, the fear of the unknown, coupled with horror and exagerated tales from fellow pupils played a huge part in being so terrified as children of being sent to the headmaster for the cane.
I guess this brings me onto another subject.. Does our pain tolerance increase as we get older. Maybe that’s one for another topic !!
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Jul 08, 2018#6
Hello Red Bum,
Amazing! I am minded to wonder if Whipstock Grange attendees have characteristics in common with Nottingham buses the last time I used Nottingham buses, which was a very long time ago. I wait years and then two of you turn up in less than a month!
I wonder if either of you were in any of the Twitter pictures of the place I’ve linked over the years as I anxiously dithered over whether I should attend and settle the question of what it might have felt like if either Prefects or Headmaster had opted for the cane instead of, respectively, lines and very specifically targeted and devastating rage.
Everyone at Whipstock appeared to be having such a jolly time ‘an all, but there was that little nagging doubt as to whether I’d be able to hack what appeared to be the almost compulsory presentation of the exposed Another_Lurker buttocks for punishment. Who knows, a little helpful guidance and gentle prompting might have been all that was needed to tip the balance, get me into that classroom, and relieve me of those lifelong SCP fears and phobias, doubtless to the great relief of readers of this Forum.
But no, you both wait until after the darn place has closed down before revealing your specialist knowledge and expertise! Damn poor show I call it!
Realistically though, it probably wouldn’t have worked. My natural cowardice caution would have had me making my excuses and beating a rapid retreat as soon as a cane was so much as flexed. I fear my only hope would have been a sort of judicial version with early firm and decisive action to enforce limited exit options. Something along the lines of hardly through the door before:
“Errm, I thought the uniform would be more, errm, extensive. It’s jolly parky what with these chains being so cold! Oh, I see, much warmer later, and you’re quite right, I wouldn’t want to accidently wander off and get lost in a strange building, well not dressed like this anyway!”
Of course once I came face to face with the cane wielding schoolmistress warderess I might well want to be somewhere else, but what with those chains running away wouldn’t be an option and there’d be no alternative to bending over and hopefully eliminating that caning hang-up once and for all. Save a bob or two on the uniform as well. Just a black and white stripped T-shirt should come in much cheaper than tie, shirt, blazer, short trousers, socks and school shoes!
You asked:
Does our pain tolerance increase as we get older. Maybe that’s one for another topic !!
An interesting question. Pain threshold has been discussed here before. The Forum search engine brings up around 80 posts containing the phrase. Currently the expert opinion seems to be that properly applied the cane will exceed everyone’s pain threshold, making it potentially a very fair judicial punishment. There is some recent discussion on this page.
But is pain tolerance the same thing as pain threshold? I would say no, pain threshold is the extent to which a specific painful stimulus is perceived by an individual and pain tolerance is how well they cope with that perception. However I suspect those are not definitions which would be recognised by experts in the field.
Investigating your query on any sort of scientific basis would I think pose insurmountable problems. As a young schoolboy you found the prospect of six strokes of the cane terrifying and your first caning extremely painful. Now you take 50+ hard stokes with relative equanimity, and doubtless on the bare, though of course some argue that that isn’t necessarily the most painful mode in which to be caned.
The problem is that the experimental environment is completely different so no scientific comparison is possible. As a schoolboy the caning was compulsorily imposed on you and you had no option to evade it. You had never been caned and had heard lurid accounts of how awful it would be so you were already undergoing considerable mental stress as you went through the preliminaries and awaited the first stoke.
As an adult none of these factors apply. You chose to be caned, you chose how you are caned and who canes you, and if you wish you can walk away. There is just no comparison. Further it seems to be the case that as with many frequently encountered physical conditions the body adapts to being caned. Even if we had identical physical characteristics in the target area and were caned with exactly the same severity you would almost certainly mark less than me regardless of the respective degrees of pain we felt.
It might be argued that you could still scientifically investigate if pain tolerance increases with age by subjecting someone young to some completely new never previously experienced by them and exactly specified (hence repeatable) pain, somehow assessing the effects in a repeatable manner, and then carrying the test out again at various stages of life.
This would probably not meet the acceptability standards of medical ethics, but even if it did it would be pointless. Once someone has experienced a pain circumstances will never be the same again. Each perception will influence future perceptions. But, at least as regards caning, you can speculate on a non-scientific basis as to whether your pain tolerance has increased with age. Some of us will never know!
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Red_bum
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Jul 08, 2018#7
Yes! You’re quite right Another_lurker when saying of course that adult school role play is voluntary where as a headmaster caning for a boy would be something quite different. At Whipstock you actually fill out a form before the start at the level you want to play at and all limits are respected. Imagine having that option as a 14 yr old boy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was great fun though, putting on the uniform, sitting back at a desk and suffering the consequences. Brought back a few memorys !!!
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Jul 08, 2018#8
Should also add Im not in any of the pictures at Whipstock.. My sessions were one to ones with the Headmaster. Im proably in a good position to add comments on other threads about being caned over skirts compared to trousers as yes !!!! Ive also been there in my alter ego as a adult school girl as well as an adult school boy š Shame its closed !!!!
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Jul 08, 2018#9
Whipstock is simply relocating. It will re-open when the owner has found suitable premises, probably south of the M25 rather than north, and this should happen by the autumn.
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Red_bum
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Jul 08, 2018#10
Thank you pio591 for the info.
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Lisabest
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Jul 09, 2018#11
The mind boggles????
Lisa.
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Another_Lurker
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Jul 09, 2018#12
Hello Lisa,
Are you prepared to reveal at what your mind boggles please?
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Lisabest
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Jul 10, 2018#13
Hello A.L.
I’m just amazed at some of the things I read on here. Is there really a whipstock school? or are these just fantasies. I’m aware of the fact that adults do indulge in these practices but actual establishments that cater solely for this kind of activity or, are they just back street venues in the red light districts of large towns. I have no problem with people who indulge in such practices as long as it is between consenting adults and does not interfere with anyone’s day to day life or privicy. Interesting to learn though about people’s desires and lifestyles. I’m fully aware of Paul’s fantasies and others within this particular forum and find them quite humorous but, I thought that actual adult venues replicating school day scenarios for adults were just figments of someone’s over active imagination????. My horizons have been broadened āŗ
Lisa
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Red_bum
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Jul 10, 2018#14
Hello Lisa
I can fully understand people who are not in the adult spanking scene finding it all a bit strange. First, Whipstock Grange is definatley not in some seedy red light back street district. Far from it (literally) A smart surburban street of expensive semi detached houses on the edge of London. At the bottom of the garden is a purpose built building replicating a 50’s/60’s classroom. From the outside it looks just like a large outbuilding from any prying eyes but once inside you are transported back to a 50’s/60’s classroom. Indeed if you google Whipstock Grange you will see many photos . Its a very famous venue for adult school role play, not a fantasy and certainly not a figment of someones over active imagination. The people who attend are perfectly normal adults from many varied backgrounds who just escape from the real world for a short time and thouroughly enjoy themselves before stepping back into their normal everyday life. Many wonderful fascinating people I have met through the scene,and are now long term friends.
All of us on here obviously have an interest in school corporal punishment but this just takes it a step further and acts out role play between consenting adults. There are actually many of these venues in England but Whipstock is proably the most famous. Hope that expalins it a bit better.
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Lisabest
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Jul 11, 2018#15
Dear R.B.
Many thanks for your very informative answer and the description you give of the scene in question. You obviously derive great pleasure from this activity and, as you comment, have made lifelong friends from your indulgement. I have as you suggested looked up the relevant site and I see from the photographs it is quite authentic and I have no doubt attractive to those who wish to relive their school days. As I have stated I do not have any problem whatsoever with anyone who gains enjoyment from such activities as long as it is consensual and strictly between adults within a private setting. If I may ask a rather personal question on the role play involved at these venues. Are the punishments awarded administered in a private setting or, in front of a class in full view of other people. If the latter applies do you not feel humiliated by the procedure.? Also are normal class lessons involved within the role play at such sessions? Finally may I ask on a serious note what are your views on the use of corporal punishment in our educational establishments. My own are well documented within this forum. I look forward to hearing from you and reading your further contributions. Many thanks once again for your honesty and the information you give.
Lisa.
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Red_bum
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Jul 11, 2018#16
Lisabest wrote:
Dear R.B.
Many thanks for your very informative answer and the description you give of the scene in question. You obviously derive great pleasure from this activity and, as you comment, have made lifelong friends from your indulgement. I have as you suggested looked up the relevant site and I see from the photographs it is quite authentic and I have no doubt attractive to those who wish to relive their school days. As I have stated I do not have any problem whatsoever with anyone who gains enjoyment from such activities as long as it is consensual and strictly between adults within a private setting. If I may ask a rather personal question on the role play involved at these venues. Are the punishments awarded administered in a private setting or, in front of a class in full view of other people. If the latter applies do you not feel humiliated by the procedure.? Also are normal class lessons involved within the role play at such sessions? Finally may I ask on a serious note what are your views on the use of corporal punishment in our educational establishments. My own are well documented within this forum. I look forward to hearing from you and reading your further contributions. Many thanks once again for your honesty and the information you give.
Lisa.
Hello again Lisa,. Thanks for your post and questions.
First in answer to your questions about punishment in private or in a classroom. On a first visit to the school you fill out a form detailing the levels at you wish to play, the implements you prefer used on you and also if you want to be punished in the classroom or in private in the headmasters study. As for the humiliation, maybe some enjoy that, but for most though we are all in it together as adult fun. Yes there are ‘real !!!!! ‘ lessons but of course it’s good fun where no one gets the correct answers and you suffer the consequences. Some of the adult schools take the lessons more seriously than others, some are more light hearted but all have a common theme running through them you finish up with a sore backside if that is what you so desire.
Now my views on corporal punishment in our educational system. It should never ever be brought back no matter what. I cannot state that strongly enough and you will find that a common view amongst many who play in the adult school role play.
I hope that answers some of your questions.
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Another_Lurker
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Jul 20, 2018#17
Those Whipstock Grange Lessons – The Brian ONC View
Please note that links may lead to content depicting degrees of nudity!
Lisa asked:
……… are normal class lessons involved within the role play at such sessions?
And Red bum replied:
Yes there are ‘real !!!!! ‘ lessons but of course it’s good fun where no one gets the correct answers and you suffer the consequences.
Relatively few UK schools would be able to offer chemistry lessons taught by a teacher with a PhD in, I believe, organic chemistry. Whipstock grange apparently could. See the blog here and the PDF here.
Of course the consequences mentioned by Red bum could be quite serious, as the
picture here suggests!
My alter ego Another_Lurker frequently bemoans the fact that due to lack of use he has forgotten much of his chemistry. If the chemistry lesson is still available when ‘school’ reopens I shall urge him very strongly to attend.
Brian ONC
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Red_bum
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Jul 21, 2018#18
Thanks for those links AL. Ive been over that gym horse a fair few times !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 25, 2018#19
Hello Red_bum,
I am pleased that you enjoyed my #17 post.
You may also enjoy #20. But then again you may not!
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Jul 25, 2018#20
Despite a steady stream of new recruits contributions are slowing and unsubscriptions are rising.
Time for a silly post I think. And so far they haven’t come much sillier than this one! But they could! So hopefully our hitherto silent new readers will reflect on the fact that if I don’t see some new contributions to divert me there might be even worse to follow. What better incentive could there be to start posting than to come to the aid of your Forum in its hour of need!
A long time ago, before the sundering of the Happy Circle and the Great Schism, I was chided by various fellow contributors for my lack of personal experience of the heavy end of SCP. A thread was even devoted to suggestions that I should make efforts to remedy the matter. I tried, I really did! The Google servers almost went into meltdown as I researched the possibilities.
For a time the school role-play facility which has already featured in this thread looked a likely candidate. In listing available punishments the web site even offered the possibility of laying the ghost of Miss B’s leg smacking which had so impressed the juvenile Another_Lurker, as well as the slipperings and canings required to satisfy my critics in the Forum. A reference file was drawn up to aid consideration, and then maintained as I repeatedly failed to reach a firm conclusion. Though there were other areas of concern the principal stumbling block was the dreaded āDā Mark Punishments procedure.
But the reference file has come in handy after all. I wanted to experiment with a BBCode table. Inevitably a poor thing compared to the HTML tables available at Network54, but remarkably easy to set up with a little copying and pasting. But what to put in it? Clearly it had to be something relevant to one of the current threads. And then it hit me! A little more copying and pasting was all that was necessary to populate the table with most of the reference file. The result follows after the customary warning!
Warning! Links may display partial nudity!
A B C D E F
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Now in theory each of the 36 red squares should link to a picture or some other related item. However in Preview mode there is a peculiarity. Although cursor changes to indicate a link direct clicks on the squares don’t do anything and it is necessary to resort to left click and open in new tab. Whether this is a unique Tapatalk feature of links in tables which will persist into the actual post in the thread remains to be seen. It certainly shouldn’t happen!
Anyway, back to those attempts to allay criticism of my experience in receipt of SCP! I wasn’t too troubled by anything in A1 through B3 inclusive. I could hack that I thought. E2 even seemed to offer definite possibilities for reprising that smacked leg. Not quite the posture enforced by Miss B, rather more freedom of movement, but it would probably do the trick.
But what of F3, slipper on the bare? Hmm, cause for thought! And then A4 and C4 through B5 inclusive? Gulp! Cane on the bare, ouch! Plus B4 and C5, the doubtless sometimes concomitant ‘corner time’, nose to blackboard, hands clasped behind head, and cane striped bottom on display. Not to mention D5, the rather daunting attempt to overcome that old problem of the buttock cheek at the tip end of the cane getting more punishment than the other by using two teachers to cane, a left hander and a right hander, presumably delivering alternate strokes.
There’s even a birch, E5, and a strap. No pictures of the latter in action, but it’s lying on the gym horse so presumably what the hands on heads young ladies in F5 got. Clearly some classes misbehave en masse and have to be severely dealt with, as witness A6 through E6 inclusive. And the dreaded āDā Mark Punishments procedure which after due reflection always proved my nemesis when considering a visit? That’s at F6.
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