Is a Caning Well Deserved for this?

Well, bless my heart & soul, Mr A.L…..
You are certainly letting standards drop in my absence.
With the darn Best girl running rings round us, I spot three of our girls up to….THIS!!!!
(see the image enclosed)
What do the rest of our members… (Of staff) think?
Would this have merited a caning back in the day????
Paul

Hello Paul,

Sadly I can’t get into Google images on this  system.  However according to DuckDuckGo there is only one UK location (it looks like the UK to me) with a Hancock Street (the most likely name) leading to a Canal Street and that is Lisburn in County Antrim, Northern Ireland.  A little investigation shows that these are probably naughty but imaginative girls from The  Wallace High School, a non-denominational co-educational voluntary grammar school in Lisburn  founded in 1880.  Currently there are around 1150 pupils in the main school and around 200 in the prep school.

The Wallace High School doesn’t appear to be the sort of school which would approve of its pupils getting up to that sort of thing.  Wait, I’m going to crank up another system and do an image search.

Ah yes, all over the, ah, errm, racier sections of the web I see!  The shot could of course be posed by models wearing Wallace High School uniform which for girls in years 8 – 12 (main school below sixth form) is:

School blazer
Regulation kick pleat grey skirt (to be purchased at BELOW knee)*
White shirt (short sleeved white shirt may be worn at designated times)
School tie with House colour stripe
Regulation grey pullover with navy neckband stripes or school cardigan edged with navy.
Regulation grey knee-length socks or opaque black tights.
Plain black leather or leather substitute flat-heeled school shoes (high-heeled fashion shoes, kitten heels and pumps are not permitted).
School scarf (for outdoor wear only – optional)
*socks and short sleeved shirts may be worn September – October half term and throughout the summer term.

Sixth form girls wear a navy skirt and a blazer with a maroon trim so clearly these girls either are, or are intended to appear to be, years 8 to 12. If they are actual pupils they are in breach of uniform regulations in several respects, skirt length, no ties, etc.  The school takes its uniform policy very seriously.  In addition to the uniform policy it has a uniform sanctions policy.  Current penalty for infractions, Friday detentions and more serious measures, whatever they may be, for persistent offenders.

But this photograph is clearly bringing the school into disrepute.  At my own school that was a top level sin.  The cane from the prefects for the lower end of the scale, and the cane from the headmaster or even expulsion for the upper end.  In many respects the Wallace High School appears to have a similar ethos to my school.  However I have no idea if the Wallace High School ever used SCP, and if it did whether girls were liable to corporal punishment.  Even if they were, and if the school’s ‘voluntary’ status classed it as a private school (I don’t think it did) all SCP became illegal in Northern Ireland in 2003.  Sadly we can’t read the plates, but those cars in the background car park look post-2003 to me.

We may therefore conclude that if the girls in the picture are indeed pupils of the Wallace High School, and if the school authorities became aware of the picture while the girls were still in attendance there, whatever their punishment was it didn’t include SCP.  But should it have done?  Well in general I am now opposed to SCP.  However bringing the school into disrepute AND the uniform infractions  constitute a serious offence.  So six of the best on the bottom, touching toes, knees straight, and with skirt length adjusted (I assume those skirts must have been rolled at the waist or otherwise shortened) exactly as in the picture.  That should add a little zing sorry, sting to the experience if the cane is kept fairly low!  

I would say 9 swats 3 days of 3 swats for the rule of three. 

Pupils should also be aware that failure to follow these Regulations may lead to disciplinary sanctions, which are outlined at the end of this Policy……..

10. Procedures to be followed when a pupil fails to wear the uniform correctly 1 Any member of staff should address a pupil regarding their failure to wear the uniform properly. If, in the opinion of the member of staff, the failure to follow the rules is deliberate, the member of staff will log this on the Behaviour Management record as a UNIFORM infringement. No additional sanction is necessary however the member of staff should insist that the pupil rectifies the problem immediately and inform the pupil that they have logged the matter. 2 The Head/Assistant Head of Year will monitor the Behaviour Management Record. Three occurrences of a UNIFORM infringement will lead to an appropriate sanction. Pupils will be aware that the rule of 3 is applicable to all disciplinary matters, including uniform.

https://www.wallacehigh.org/wp-content/ … niform.pdf

Marissa is sent up for a possible dress code infraction. Lady D measures her skirt and determines that it is several inches too short. She punishes her with a heavy leather strap.

https://spanking.photos/11170-marissa-d … ction.html

Another_Lurker:

You forget one item of clothing – navy blue or bottle green?

Excellent detective work that must be acknowledged. Thanks also to Paul for unearthing  the pic. I agree these young ladies  are probably 15/16 pre 6th Form and that the pic is likely to be post 2003, possibly quite a bit later. Therefore any CP would have to be  home administered.

Ms Ottley..I am pretty sure the enforcement of specific  forms of underwear for elder  schoolgirls was pretty lax from the mid 70’s if not before.For instance  I lived close to the beach and when the tide was right in hot weather I  would often be able to  engineer leaving work  early to spend time there. . It was a regular occurance for groups of  lads and lasses to come  to the beach after school for a swim and they had to get changed and unchanged as best they could.  using a towel.wrapped round them often with assistance from a colleagueto kep it in place.  Navy Blues and Bottle Green regulation were always conspicuous by thier absence. They are also many other instanceca which confirm my view

. I am also aware that in the late 70s, and probably later and  earlier, some brazen young ladies attended school sans any uderwear under their tights.

Hello AliceOttley,

Well done!  But why on earth didn’t I think of Street View?    Must be getting old I think.  I even forgot a seldom used climbing knot for a few moments today.  Happily when I  looked at the position from the other side it suddenly shot back into memory.

As regards your query, if you examine in detail the uniform regulation PDF linked by by American Way in his contribution #3 above you will see that such matters are, quite rightly IMHO, left unspecified other than an injunction regarding clothing potentially visible under the school regulation shirts.  And donning my pedantic hat, ‘under’ really would have been a better choice than ‘below’ in the context.

Oh, and the regulation opaque black tights must be worn by all girls between Halloween and Easter and on all formal occasions.  Those who like to speculate about these matters may wish to consider whether if the school had SCP, which of course it doesn’t, would being caned count as a formal occasion?  However I shall not venture there.  

Yes, I’m sure you and Sir John 2 are correct – I just thought I would provoke you into talking about your favourite colour – bottle green? 

Hello AliceOttley,

Alas, yes.  Burned into my psyche by witnessing the extremely severe and rather ritual laden in front of the class slippering of a female classmate wearing the school’s regulation gym knickers (well it was a PT lesson) in that iconic colour.  An experience made more memorable by the sad fact that she was being slippered for talking to me.

Thus the juvenile Another_Lurker should really have been bent over alongside her in his PT shorts.  Not quite ‘rice paper thin’ as per the probably invented claim by Adele Kirkman  regarding canings at the Rodney School but not much protection, especially if  I’d been instructed to pull them up tight like my unfortunate classmate.  Oh, and they were navy blue BTW.

But fortunately  (at least for me) the male teacher, probably of what is known here as the kinky persuasion, was apparently intent on slippering the prettiest girl in the class and imparting pain to the juvenile Another_Lurker bottom was not part of his game plan.

Sounds like a perfectly normal teacher – teaching has never been an easy profession and there have to be some perks!
(Yes, the Rodney School thread is a good read.)

A L …I wa actually quite upset by seeing peole I liked slippered,spanked and caned at school. I got into the persuation in my early teens as a way of overcoming shyness with girls.I wanted a certain degree of “intimacy” and the easiest way of acheiving this was to engage in various forms of “chase” games where it was permitted to wrestle a girl to the ground when you caught her and give her some playful spanks. If her skirt rode up as was often the case so much the better. Sadly I seemed never to get invited to play with the group thet had  what was considered to be the best looking girls. Anyway the rest ,as they say, is history.

As regards Ms Ottley’s comment…Do you have a bottle green car?

Hello Sir John 2,

As regards the bottle green car, most definitely not!  I would never again buy a car in ANY shade of green.  Many years ago I had a Ford Escort MkII in a colour called ‘Calypso’, a very bright and vibrant green.  It wasn’t my choice of colour, I needed it quickly and it was the only colour I could get.

In the first 4 winter months 3 people drove into me from the rear or side under night-time town centre street lighting conditions.   In each case they accepted responsibility and their insurance companies paid up without argument.  In each case they said the same thing, “I just didn’t see you”.

And do you know, I believed them.  They were all that sort of person.  In those days it was legal to drive on side lights in street lighting and to some people doing that the bloody thing was apparently invisible.  As soon as possible I traded it in.

marathon8,

My eyesight is not what it one was but are you complaining about the school girls not wearing skirts?  I agree such exposure would be reprehensible and likely to damage the school’s reputation but I am not sure caning is the solution.

Hello AliceOttley,

You wrote of the slipper wielding male teacher I described in my post #9 above as probably of the kinky persuasion that he:

Sounds like a perfectly normal teacher – teaching has never been an easy profession and there have to be some perks!

An interesting observation and one not fair to the teaching profession in general I think.  In my early school days teachers used SCP fairly frequently.  With large classes and no classroom assistants it enabled them to keep order and educate.  I am immensely grateful to all the regular teachers I encountered and I don’t think of any of them as kinky.

However the teacher in the incident I described was not a regular teacher.  He was only at the school for a short period and  took our class for a few days in the temporary absence of the class teacher.  Both the girl and I were in our second year in the top class of junior school due to the then 11+ examination age requirements. The school had more children than it could accommodate so that class was outstationed  in a public building a short distance away.

Silence was golden in schools then and chatting in class was not allowed.    However our normal teacher turned a blind eye to it in PT, which was a sort of drill session really.  Her replacement did the same until my pretty classmate spoke to me.  I think he then probably saw an opportunity and seized it. The punishment was definitely not the usual bend over, whack(s), off you go slippering.  If I encountered a kinky teacher in my schooldays he was it.

I’m pleased that you like the Rodney School thread.  Consideration was given to my attending as a boarder there not long before the slippering incident.  Headmistress Ms Joan Thomas would then have been in her mid 30s and doubtless her caning arm would have been much stronger than it was by the time of the the much publicised canings in the 1990s, when she was already in her 70s.

With or without those ‘rice-paper thin shorts’  (if boys were subjected to the same alleged routine) I might  have had some interesting accounts for the Forum. And indeed I might not have annoyed you with an apparent presumption that men cane harder than women.

I have to say though that the main educational expertise at the Rodney School seems to have been in the dance and drama department.  I might have had a career cavorting in tights or become a luvvie.  And believe me, your annoyance over the gender based caning issue is a small price to pay for the British public being spared those latter possibilities!  

A L . Contrary to your thoughts I suspect that the theatre going public may have missed out not seeing you in tights by fate decreeing that you did not fully develop your Thespian tendencies.

There is little doubt that many teachers of the 50s and early 60s had somewhat pervy desires to satisfy. As certain things were “accepted” they no doubt took full advantage of their positions probably not even accepting in their own minds that they were doing anything wrong.

Mr Bennett , headmaster of my junior school (Olga Street), on the surface a jolly and easy going type of fellow,who did not actually take any classes, had a reputation of finding excuses to smack girls, albeit mildly and playfully, on the bottom. In front of others he would have them bend over and touch their toes and tap them on the bottom with a wooden ruler, whilst reciting silly rhymes in time . Words that come to mind are “Wick Wacky Wick Wacky Wick Wacky Woo When you are a naughty girl this is what I do” . He never did this to boys!!. In the privacy of his office he preferred the OTK position and lifted skirts .

He would also select a group of the prettiest most senior girls and would then borrow one or two at a time from class to assist him for the day by answering the phone when he was out of his office and running messages to other teachers for him and getting files . If you were one of his girls it was considered a privilege. His office was tiny. From memory about 6ft by 12 ft with a big desk pushed against the wall which took up a lot of the space. There was little storage space and many files were kept in cupboards and on shelves in a dark and dusty store room with a tiny window on the next floor . His excuse for having the girls was that it was good practice for them to learn them how to use the phone and get experience assisting. I am 100% certain all of these girls had their bottoms smacked for trivial reasons. After some representations he also extended the “assist” experience to selected boys for half days at a time . I was actually one selected. I easily recollect sitting on a stool outside his office waiting for orders listening while he performed his activities on a giggly girl named Carol who also happened to be the daughter of the school caretaker . She lived on the premises and had the easiest journey to school. I am sure followers of Dr Freud will draw their own conclusions as to Mr B’ s activities.

A L re car colour. Thank you for responding. I only ever had one green car which was a 1959 Morgan. I actually think they only came in green at that time.. Probably had a lot of green paint in Wales.

Hello Sir John 2,

A 1959 Morgan!  B*****d!    But I think you’ll find Malvern Link, where H.F.S. Morgan opened his sales and servicing garage in 1904 and where Morgans are built to this day, is in Worcestershire not Wales.  I’ve never had a Morgan, but many, many years ago I did assist  the owner of a 1936 model to fix a damaged crown wheel and pinion.

We’d no handbook to work from and after replacement and reassembly we noticed a couple of small strangely shaped bits of metal still on the floor.  I wanted to strip it down again and see if we could work out what they did as neither of us could recall removing them.

The owner though was in a hurry and after tentative experiment drove off, apparently with all well.  Alas the bits of metal were responsible for preventing the fully floating half-shafts from floating where they shouldn’t and the stresses of cornering demonstrated this after a few miles. ☹  The car, brought for a relatively small sum, was sold and the next owner managed to incinerate it comprehensively before repairing it again.  Ironically restored and in good fettle it would now be worth many thousands of pounds.

With regard to my reprieve from attending the Rodney School you wrote:

A L . Contrary to your thoughts I suspect that the theatre going public may have missed out not seeing you in tights by fate decreeing that you did not fully develop your Thespian tendencies.

Hmm, I wonder!  Some time ago,I defended a boy who wore a skirt to school in protest against discriminatory uniform regulations. A female contributor then requested a picture of me in something similar to the offending boy, free moving and easy to lift up.  I think she possibly disagreed with my defence and thought SCP appropriate – for the boy and me! 

The resulting picture of me in a wrap-over gym skirt (photoshopped on of course, though it was indeed me) so alarmed one of our most respected and calm contributors that he felt it necessary to produce a less frightening version.  Goodness only knows what effect a picture sans skirt but in  tights would have had!  

Your Mr Bennett sounds a jolly fellow!  And who knows, perhaps his activities with the wooden ruler were merely to assist the selected girl’s appreciation of poetry and sense of rhythm.  Touching the toes is of course a stress position, and the use of such postures is known to increase the subject’s focus on the matter in hand, useful for the poetry bit.  And of course the tactile input from the ruler would be better than a metronome for the rhythm.  Yes, I’m sure that would be it!  

Another_Lurker
Quote:

“You wrote of the slipper wielding male teacher I described in my post #9 above as probably of the kinky persuasion that he:”

Sounds like a perfectly normal teacher – teaching has never been an easy profession and there have to be some perks!

You misunderstood me, my suggestion that the teacher enjoyed slippering the prettiest girl in the school was not meant to imply that he was kinky – just that if he was obliged to give a slippering then that ‘may’ be enjoyable for him. Now, if he had given a slippering unfairly ‘just’ so that he could enjoy giving it then that would be different and I may regard him as kinky.

Let us consider a brain surgeon who specialises in removing life-threatening tumours and he’s the very best in the world. He enjoys his work and enjoys removing life-threatening tumours from his patients but that doesn’t mean he wants people to have brain tumours just so that he can enjoy removing them.

Likewise, the teacher who feels obliged to give a slippering to the prettiest girl in the school as a punishment for bad behaviour feels that he is helping her improve her behaviour and become a better pupil. The fact that he happens to enjoy doing it is not the prime motivating factor as would be the case if he were a kinky teacher.

I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt so regard him as a normal teacher. I doubt if there were many teachers who didn’t enjoy slippering or caning a pretty schoolgirl. So if the vast majority of schoolteachers enjoyed slippering or caning pretty schoolgirls then by definition that is normal.

A L…. Once again I defer to your greater knowledge as to where .. My Morgan was 12/13 years old when I bought it although it looked much newer due to a respray in the original colour..British Racing Green. Mechanically it was pretty sound (a solidly built Ford slightly modified Cortina engine) although I remember that some carpentry skills were necessary due to the large amount of wood in the chassis which was prone to rot in the damp English climate.

I will postpone judgment as to how you may have looked in tights in your youth until further evidence and information is available..

Your observations regarding the activities of Mr Bennett are noted. Had these occurred in more modern times, I have little doubt that he would have been delighted to have you advising his legal team on the iambic pentameter defence..

Ms Ottley…Your reasoning is profoundly sound for the era in question.

Hello KK,

Just as you indicate in your contribution #13 above,  I too was initially a little shocked by the apparent absence of skirts in the case of the two schoolgirls obscuring portions of the street sign in Paul‘s picture.  It seemed quite disgraceful!

My vision is not what it once was either, and for various reasons not unconnected with too many computers I was sitting rather a long way from the monitor I was currently using.  Closer inspection revealed that the skirts are in fact present.

However they are rather short, a condition probably  induced as a result of adjustment by the girls themselves after leaving the school gates.  Thus the posture of the girl to the left of the sign means that her skirt is partially obscured by the sleeve of her blazer and  the crouch adopted by the other girl means that her skirt is almost totally covered by her blazer.

I do so hope that this will allay your concerns and I am sure that you will come to the same conclusions on closer examination, if indeed you have not already done so.  

As  regards the cane, perhaps we’ll disregard the skirts as in my day few if any boys went in for extensively exposed thighs while in school uniform.   Except of  course involuntarily when being smacked thereon by lady teachers in primary school.  But If I’d been photographed in school identifying uniform minus regulation tie and shirt not tucked into trousers I’d have been caned by the prefects.  And if while committing those uniform infractions I’d also been rudely re-messaging a street sign it would have been the headmaster wielding the cane, even if I escaped expulsion.

Thus in the interests of gender equality I see no reason why the girls should escape a similar fate, even if only retrospectively and digitally! 

Alas the terminal (In #14) has disappeared from the final bullet point in my above post.  Trying to format things in ways not provided as standard in the menu is not encouraged in Tapatalk and their software sometimes messes about with your posts between typing and preview and occasionally between preview and post.  But what would life be without challenges!

Another_Lurker:

I apologise if you thought I had ignored certain points of your post but will comment now.

Let me start by saying that you were there and I was not so I do appreciate that you were a witness and it was not playground gossip.

You say he turned a blind eye to the chatting during the PT lesson  but perhaps it was a case of he had been tolerating it but didn’t like it happening. When your pretty classmate spoke to you perhaps he was already at breaking point so decided to make an example of her.

Ok, the normal teacher tolerated it but that doesn’t mean the new teacher should have to if he was a stickler for rules and he may not have been aware of that relaxation of the rule during PT. Perhaps he had discussed the situation with the headmaster (who was also not aware of the relaxation) and he was advised to exert his authority.

You say she was speaking to you and so you should have been slippered also and if you were having a conversation then I agree with you.

However, your assumption that he chose the pretty girl because he was kinky may not be fair. If he had chosen the fat ugly girl who had an enormous bum, tree-stump legs and stank of BO then she may have complained that the pretty girl was not chosen because the teacher fancied her. The pretty girl’s attractiveness may have been her downfall.

Perhaps the severe and ritual laden caning was a deliberate attempt to show his authority and stop the talking permanently. Painful discipline has two functions (as I’m sure you know) which are to be as a punishment for bad behaviour and also act as a deterrent for future bad behaviour. A token slippering that was not painful would serve no purpose at all.

In fact, if the teacher was a kinky teacher who enjoyed slippering then he would be more likely to give token slipperings as the bad behaviour would continue and he could give more slipperings.

Of course, if he was an absolute sadist and got a kick from inflicting really serious pain then the one-off severe caning of the pretty girl may have satisfied him more than giving several token slipperings over a period of time.

My opinion is that he ‘may’ have been a kinky teacher but not necessarily.
(although it is highly likely that he did enjoy doing it! )

KKxyz

Hello Paul,

You wrote above, addressed to me:

So, it’s your belief that the school is The Wallace High School in Lisburn, County Antrim.

There is no doubt that the picture was taken at the junction of Hancock Street and Canal Street in Lisburn.  The Google Street View screen grab subsequently provided by AliceOttley verifies that.  Nor is there any doubt that the uniform worn by the girls, and in particular the visible blazer badge, are those of post Prep School, pre Sixth Form pupils at the Wallace High School, a very traditional mixed school in Lisburn.  A visit to the school site will quickly confirm this.

The only thing open to question is whether the girls are actual pupils of the school or imposters seeking to give the school a bad name by being photographed in dubious circumstances in the school uniform.  On the face of it this latter possibility does seem unlikely!  

I agree!!

Thank you, again, A.L. Good work

Best wishes,
Paul

Hello again Paul,

My apologies.  I fear I didn’t respond to the queries in your contribution #27.

DuckDuckGo is a search engine which uses Google but doesn’t retain or pass to Google data about you and your search pattern – allegedly.  It can be found here.  It also has an ‘onion’ (dark web) address for use when required in conjunction with the Tor browser.   I use DuckDuckGo most of the time because I prefer to use Tor as a browser and the two pair nicely.  Always remember, just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you! 

I can’t remember which image search engine I used to check your Lisburn image.  There are a few of them now, each with their own peculiarities.  Most probably it was Google.  Google can sometimes throw a wobbly and demand that you pass a captcha test when accessed via Tor, but where there’s a will there’s a way and unlike some of the other image search engines the Google implementation is very easy to use.  If I did use Google the result would have been this page.

A_L.  Yeah, we have something in common DuckDuckGo is the way to go. It is my first choice.  My adult image searches I use Bing that you have disparaged.  Fulton Postcard doesn’t come in all search engines so I use Google when accessing that site.

Hello American Way,

Glad to hear that you are a DuckDuckGo fan.  But why do you think I disparage the Bing search engine?  I’ve hardly used it.  It is a Microsoft product and therefore is likely to be just as intrusively nosey inquisitive as Google, but that aside I don’t really have an opinion on it as I lack data to formulate one.

I wonder if you are thinking of my post here when you say that I disparage Bing?  If so I fear we have yet another example of the transatlantic humour gap that got me into so much trouble with Renee and the ladies of ‘Teachers Who Paddle’.

I’d be amazed if any British person reading that post doesn’t realise that I had my tongue well and truly in my cheek when writing it.  But on your side of the Atlantic you apparently take it seriously.  I’ll need to be very careful indeed if I ever visit the USA!  Getting cyber-swats from TWP due to misunderstandings over ‘shock! horror!’ and similar jocular usages is one thing.  Risking getting shot by an enraged gun carrier who doesn’t realise when I’m joking is quite another! 

Thank you for that information, A.L.
Greatly appreciated
Best wishes,
Paul