Let’s Play Schools Again!!!

Hello, members,

It’s Paul:

Time to ‘play schools’ once again.

So, members, your task is:

The year is 1981.Your application has been successful for the position of chief education officer of a small LEA comprising of seven comprehensives, one grammar and four primary schools.
Your LEA banned SCP three years earlier. However, headteachers, other staff and parents have called for its immediate return. Therefore, your first task is to decide upon a SCP policy in time for the 1981/82 school year.
I shall set some questions, but please feel free to add some points or regulations that I’ve not covered.
Many thanks
Paul.
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                                                                                                       Primary Schools

Would you exempt primary schools from the new regulations?

If your policy includes SCP for primary schools, would the regulations for boys and girls differ? Perhaps you’d exempt girls completely? Would greater leniency be shown to girls? Would certain implements not be allowed for girls, or would girls be treated equally?
What SCP would you decide upon in primary schools:
 Smacking with the palm of the hand, only?
Would this be for just boys or girls as well?
Slipper
For boys, only, or girls as well?
Where? Hand or bottom for boys?
Where? Hand or bottom for girls?
Who should administer the punishment to boys?
Who should administer the punishment to girls?
Cane
Would the cane be available for use in primary schools?
For both sexes?
Who should administer the cane?

Maximum number strokes with slipper in primary schools?
Maximum number of strokes for cane in primary schools?
Would any members of staff, such as class teachers, be banned from using SCP?
Would your policy allow for SCP to be administered over full clothing, only?
Would all use of SCP be recorded in a punishment book?
Would you inform a primary child’s parents about punishment inflicted?

Secondary Schools

Would all incidents of SCP in secondary schools be recorded in a punishment book?
Would the punished pupil have to sign it?
Would you notify the parents of the pupils punished before the punishment, after, or not at all?
Would a witness always be present?
Would class teachers be banned from using SCP?
Would the head of the school be the only member of staff to use SCP.
Would SCP always be administered in private?
Would SCP be for boys, only, or girls as well?
Would sixth form pupils be exempt from SCP?
If allowed for sixth formers, would it be on both sexes?
Which implements would be available to use?
Where? Hand or bottom for boys?
Where? Hand or bottom for girls?
Would girls be exempt from caning, and only allowed to receive the slipper or strap?
Who should administer the punishment to boys?
Who should administer the punishment to girls?
Would your policy allow for SCP to be administered over full clothing, only, or would adjustments be permitted?
How many strokes of the slipper would be allowed, if used?
How many strokes of the cane?
How many of the Strap/tawse, if used?

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I look forward to your responses.
Best wishes,
Paul.

you know me… no scp for anyone… and a double tap to the back of the head of any overly aggressive p.e. instructors who don’t get the message… if the parents, teachers and heads are so obsessed with cp, the school can contact the parents in the event of misbehavior and the parents can use the discipline they feel is appropriate at home, but we will be reporting any suspected abuse to the proper government agencies

Hello, Dane,
Its Paul:
I thank you kindly for your contribution.
Yes, I respect that you are someone who represents the counter-argument, which is fine with me.
I’m very much hoping for a member to complete the questionnaire so we can at least get some form of discussion going
COME ALONG A.L!! LETS BE HAVING YOU. WAKEY! WAKEY! LOL!!! HEE! HEE!
Thank you, Dane. Greatly appreciated.
Best wishes,
Paul

“This LEA has made it quite clear that girls must not be punished by male staff……but then,.. but then,… it say unless, quote; ‘special circumstances warrant it.’ “

Such as having to punish the girl with the most callipygian curves in the class?

Hello, WWT
Indeed!!! LOL
Many thanks
Paul

marathon8 wrote:Hi members
I’ll add some more LEA fregs later in the week
Paul

Paul:

Thanks for these copies of SCP regulations. They all fit in with what I’d known already.

I went to college in Somerset in the mid 1960s. The majority of girls in the college were Somerset girls. As most had only left school the term before they started at the college I did wonder if any had experience SCP or at home for that matter. None of them ever made any mention of either. When I was at one time between college accommodation I stayed with a family of another student in my year. He had been at a local private school and had been asked to leave, a slightly ‘nicer’ way of being expelled! He never mentioned SCP though. He had a younger sister who was spanked by her mother at home. I heard it happen a few times but of course never saw it. I met my wife at this college, she’d been to a private convent school as a day girl, also in Somerset. Despite all I had heard about convent schools hers used no CP whatsoever.

I went to a boys only grammar school in Bristol. I felt the cane and slipper there. Bristol girls could be caned across their hands in Bristol schools. Bottom punishments weren’t allowed for them in school. Some Bristol schools caned boys across their hands too particularly in mixed schools, so the same for both girls and boys there but girls had it far less and usually fewer strokes. Neighbouring South Gloucestershire schools were allowed to, at least, slipper girls’ bottoms even caned them perhaps. As I lived close to the county boundary I heard on the grapevine of girls who were slippered but never of any being caned. Never actually knew any South Gloucestershire girls well enough to find out more.

Hopefully this post may spur others on to sharing more SCP regulations. I look forward to reading other LEA corporal punishment regulations.

Hello, ‘six of the Best
Thank you for your excellence response.
What you say about Bristol schools sanctioned to cane girls on the hand, only, ties in with what I saw some time ago regarding that area in the 1960s. The STOPP publication quotes from the 1970s/early 1980s when revised regulations superseded the earlier ones.
I shall see what I have for Gloucestershire
Do have a go at the survey.
Thank you so much, again.
Best wishes,
Paul

Hi Paul. I don’t think your LEA would in practice be likely to contain seven comprehensives, one grammar school and four primary schools – I’m assuming all these schools are co-ed. If you have a grammar school then by definition you have to have some kind of entrance exam and if the schools are of equal size only one in eight children would get a grammar school place, which would be extremely low by any authority I’ve ever come across. Also technically the other seven schools would be “secondary modern” if the grammar school has creamed off the top tier of bright kids. The other thing is that any LEA would have far more primary schools than secondary; in any town there are primary schools in most suburbs and if a town was large enough to have eight secondary schools I reckon there would be 20-30 primary schools at least. In our area we have village primary schools with less than 30 children but I reckon no secondary school could operate without at least a couple of hundred scholars across all the years – the average primary school size is now abound 260 pupils and the average secondary school size over 900.

marathon8 wrote:Hello, ‘six of the Best
Thank you for your excellence response.
What you say about Bristol schools sanctioned to cane girls on the hand, only, ties in with what I saw some time ago regarding that area in the 1960s. The STOPP publication quotes from the 1970s/early 1980s when revised regulations superseded the earlier ones.
I shall see what I have for Gloucestershire
Do have a go at the survey.
Thank you so much, again.
Best wishes,
Paul

To ‘Six of the Best.’

Hello, Six of the Best,
Its Paul:
Thank you for your interesting response. It was very much appreciated.
I enjoyed the little story you sent regarding the prefect caned by the headmistress for smoking in ‘smokers corner.’ Good old days!! I think almost every school in those far off days had a ‘smokers corner.’ If the girl wasn’t actually smoking, why was she caned, I wonder? Was it the mere fact that a prefect was hanging around at ‘smokers corner’ and was not telling pupils off for smoking? Perhaps the headmistress thought that the prefect wasn’t carrying out her duties and should have been reporting the smokers? I wonder what the other pupils who were smoking got? An excellent little piece. Thank you for sharing it with us.

With reference to the Gloucestershire LEA regulations, these were revised in 1977. Regarding the SCP of girls it says the following:
‘Is CP Discouraged?”
Answer: ‘Yes,  but only for infants, girls or handicapped children.’
(Therefore, it’s not actually saying girls could not be subjected to school CP).
It goes on further to say, quote:

‘In the case of infants, girls or handicapped children, it (corporal punishment) is expected to be a very rare occurrence.’

The regulations state that only the head of the school may punish and is able to delegate to other staff.

‘With what and where.’ it says, quite interestingly, quote:
‘In general, the authority would expect corporal punishment to be administered by the flat of the hand or by cane, either to the open hand or seat.
It is for the head to decide the form of punishment that maybe reasonable in particular cases, bearing in mind, for example. the age and sex of the pupil involved.’
Unquote.
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That is very interesting. Yes, the LEA is discouraging the physical punishment of girls, but it’s not saying they cannot be punished on the buttocks. Yes, its left for the head to decide. What if the head feels that a sixteen year old girl’s misdemeanour is so serious, and that all other avenues of punishment have been explored before, that three of the cane on her buttock is reasonable?
Any thoughts, ‘Six of the Best?’ It’s quite fascinating. Do any members  have any views on this? Please let’s get some debate going?

Regarding Bristol it seems there was in fact no change, or they simply decided that they’d had enough of STOPP!!!! Thus, I had that one wrong!

For me I’m just so disappointed that no members have responded to my survey of commented on the LEA regulations I’ve submitted

Again, ‘Six of the Best, thank you so much.

Paul.

Paul;

As far as I know they all received the same, two strokes of the cane, one across each hand. She was a lovely girl, very grown up for her years. It was the fact she had been punished rather than the actual hurt of it that concerned her. It seems that her parents had by then started to see her as a young adult. Older parents, charming people as I remember. She wasn’t exactly a girlfriend just a good friend and one of the few girls who mentioned being spanked at home or punished in school.

What you say of Gloucestershire LEA CP guidelines would appear to give head teachers a lot of flexibility. I remember hearing that girls could be slippered in schools there, mentions of the cane too.

I’ve looked at your survey but found it difficult to make a useful reply. Both primary and senior school had such a wider range of age groups: 5 to 11in juniors and 11 to almost 17 in senior and that’s without 6th form included. However in my grammar school the cane was used across the backside of all lads there regardless of age.

Hello, Neilmc,
Thank you so much for your kind response. It was greatly appreciated
Regarding my imaginary LEA, yes, I probably have got it wrong. Definitely so! But it was just a scenario. I didn’t put much thought or planning into that part of it. My area of thought and planning was the actual survey.
Yes, there should have been many more junior schools to support the eight secondary schools, but maybe the parents from junior schools in another local area would be able to enroll their children at the schools in my LEA, similarly with the grammar school.
Yes, I wish l had made the LEA more realistic, and yes, it was an oversight on my part.
However, what I’m finding disappointing is that there are no responses, not a single one, in fact to the survey. There also seems to be very little interest in the regulations that I posted.
All I’m trying to do is spice things up and get some discussion going. And there is lots of meat in those LEA submissions.
I simply don’t know what to add next.
Oh, well….
Thank you so much, Neil
Best wishes,
Paul

Hi yet again Paul,

When looking back at 1960s/1970s LEA regulations we must remember that it was the time when many parents used corporal punishment at home. School and family discipline was very similar back then. I think more girls were spanked by parents then than were given school CP. Parents them held school teachers in great esteem, if a youngster complained of being punished in school they likely to find themselves bending over again at home. Your survey really ought to take this in consideration too.

I will have another look at the survey and try to be the first to do something with it.

Chris

Paul …. Thank you once again for your effort in setting up these hypotheticals. My brain really struggles with putting myself back in the 1980s. Also, like Dane, I would reject the use of CP.

I must admit I am puzzled, in this and other threads, that anyone from my era would think that teachers would follow the rules, whatever they were. I would guess most did, but there was a general climate of impunity in most schools which meant that a small minority got away with the totally unacceptable and a rather larger number broke the official rules in less significant ways. This might mean hitting with a variety of implements in high school, slapping around the head or spanking small children bare bottom. I am personally aware of many such cases, and any reading of reminiscences gives plenty of examples that are clearly genuine.

oliversyndney I went to school between 1968 and 1980 and teacher brutality took all shapes from threats spankings [in all states of dress canings general physical aggression by teachers towards pupils [ although to be fair I saw one boy bait a teacher into action ]thank goodness they where a small minority and a lot of good teachers prevailed

Hello, Oliver and Ian.
Oliver: I didn’t know you were anti-SCP. I can respect that view. Yes, teachers overwhelmingly stayed within the guidelines of their LEAs. Many didn’t use CP at all. But, yes, some pushed the boundaries by small amounts, while the Colin West brigade gradually pushed it to the limits.
As I’ve said. I think far more girls were caned and slippered than I would ever have imagined.

Ian, sadly, that is a very bleak picture you paint of your schooldays. Of course, certain kids did push teachers too far and let’s be fair, it is a stressful job. But at least you experienced good teachers, too
many thanks,
Paul.

marathon8 hi there yes i live in cumbria and i do remember the colin west case he was a deputy head from a school in carlisle  if i recall correctly who had his own methods of chastising errant teenage girls i think it was because of rotten apples like him it was one of the factors that hastened the end of corporal punishment  in schools in the united kingdom

Hi Paul,
With your wealth of knowledge and information on this particular subject wouldn’t you agree that one of the major factors in the abolition of the cane in uk schools was indeed its misuse and, the inability of staff to properly regulate its use. I fully agree with iankenrick’s views on the subject that it was rotten apples that hastened its demise.
Lisa

The reason CP was outlawed in the UK was the European Court decision. That’s it, but here is the timeline

Hello, Lisa,

It’s your old sparring partner, Paul. How’s you?

‘James in Shorts’ has very much answered the question for us. It was exactly what I was going to say to you that the EU court decision made it final. The then education secretary, Sir Keith Joseph, had the idea of a two-tier system, where parents could decide if their offsprings could or could not be  ‘whacked.’  But it was simply unworkable

The questions is, Lisa, were parliamentary calls for a ban, going all the way back to ‘The Plowden Report,’ influenced by abuse? That’s a difficult question. We all know abuse happened, but I do not believe abuse was the main driver. I guess the modernists thought it outdated, young new teachers disliked school CP, as did new young members of Parliament. The progressives of that time won the day.

I do recall in 1966, a skinny, inhibited eleven year me walked into our lounge at home, and there was a picture of three boys’ bare bottoms up on our old B/W Bush TV, with its dodgy ariel. (That old tele never worked well, Everytime we switched it on the flipping thing was never right. It even dared to go wrong during England’s World Cup final win over West Germany!!! LOL!). These boys’ bottoms were covered in cane welts.Goodness knows what it looked like in colour. It petrified me. I had just started at secondary school and I was fearful enough of school without seeing this. When the picture went off the screen there was a debate going on about abolishing SCP. Those on the panel were horrified by the state of the boys’ bottoms and most were demanding a ban. It was quite a well known boys’ school and my memory is not working well this evening so I don’t know which.

Perhaps incidents like this helped influence the Labour Government’s 1968 decision to tell schools to use SCP far less.

But let us put a sensibe perspective on this. Abuse happened, yes, but it was hardly widespread. Headteachers and their staff carried out fair, reasonable and moderate SCP in  the main, to the point that it was seamless and not complained about by pupils or parents.

It was simply a case, I think, that times changed and the EU court made it difficult for the UK to continue with the practice of SCP.

Let us look at your canings, Lisa. Would the progressives, the, some would say, ‘do-gooders, the abolitionists, the EU, look at a teenage girl going across a desk to be caned on her bottom by a male headmaster as abuse? Personally, I think they would have filled their boots. I don’t think its abuse. You have stated many times that you felt your canings were fair and never abusive or excessive. But I do think that those who wanted a total ban would have leapt all over a school who was whacking girls like that. Let me once again confirm my view. Your canings seemed fair. But I’m not against SCP

Having got the serious stuff over:

I have reinstated Mr A.L as my loyal deputy head! Best! Mr A.L’s office, 8.30am, before assembly, girl!  LOL!

Thank you,
Paul.

Hello Paul,

I shall of course be only too happy to see Lisa in my office any time.  I am always keen to discuss the fashion industry, which I find most curious.  I cannot for the life of me understand why people will pay exorbitant prices in order to be seen in garments bearing the right label.  Quite ridiculous providing free advertising for the garment manufacturer by displaying their name or logo on the garment and at the same time paying over the odds!

Now if you’ll excuse me I need to order a few bits from Rab and Mountain Equipment, oh and some new approach shoes from Five Ten.

Hi Paul,
8 30 am Mr A.L’s study. I dread to think what you have in store for me.
I take your point regarding my particular experiences. In todays environment it probably would raise eyebrows but, back then was generally regarded as the norm. Ther was though many cases were corporal punishment was grossly misused.
8 36am now.  Im late!!!!
Lisa.

Primary Schools

SCP for primary schools: Same regulations for boys and girls, must be treated equally:

Smacking with the palm of the hand, wooden ruler, strap and Slipper, on Hands and bottom.

Headmistress and classroom teachers administer the punishment.

No cane.

Maximum number strokes: with slipper, wooden ruler or strap, two strokes for hand and six on bottom, clothed, over underpants and bare (only Headmistress).

All use of SCP be recorded in a punishment book? Not necesary.
Would you inform a primary child’s parents about punishment inflicted? With grades, notes.

Secondary Schools

Would all incidents of SCP in secondary schools be recorded in a punishment book? Only canings.

Would the punished pupil have to sign it? Always.

Notify the parents of the pupils punished with the grades.

Not necesary witness always be present.

Would class teachers be banned from using SCP? No but not cane.

The headmaster and Deputy Head (female) are the only members of staff to use the cane.

Would SCP always be administered in private? Some faults are the exception. Example: Bullying.

SCP is for boys and girls as well.

Would sixth form pupils be exempt from SCP? Never.

Implements: Hand (slap faces), wooden ruler, strap and cane.

Hand and bottom for boys and girls.

Headmaster administer the punishment to boys and Deputy Head to girls. Only they can to use the cane on bare bottom. Rest of classroom teachers, clothed.

Slap faces, max: 4; Wooden ruler, max 4 on hands, six on bottom; strap, max 8 on bottom. Cane, max: 6 (+2).

bare bottom caning and an official policy involving face slapping as punishment in the UK in 81… maybe a porn set dressed with a calendar from 81

You’re Mr. Tisha Austin and you have a Jane Doe before you. As disciplinarian you choose the number of swats between 1 to 5.

Jane has never been paddled before and has have have had several warnings about dress code violations and is well aware that one of the options is spanking. She chose to break the rule and not to go the suspension route. Her parents have just been called and has been given authorization. She is a senior

You assign the number.

How many swats should be applied?

Should she have been given an opportunity to change into a more acceptable attire?

Similar circumstances how many swats would you apply?

http://www.edexec.com/files/CorporalPunish2011.pdf

Mr Tisha is spanking Jane being for her flagrant dress code violation as seen in the next post.

Until I saw your picture I may have been quite lenient.

Hello bripuk,

I confess I share your sentiments, but of course I couldn’t possibly say so least I endanger my anti-SCP credentials and enrage my friend dane to boot!  

Perhaps best click on to the next picture in the series and reflect on the fate the unfortunate girl would be spared if  we abstain and award a detention instead!  

A_L I have nothing but admiration for your compassionate nature but sore rears tend to revert to their original state in a short space of time.

Hell0 bripuk,

Alright, you’ve convinced me.  Certainly a  flagrant dress code violation as American Way notes above.

I think 5 swats.  But none of that soft option brace position.  It’s bent over hand’s flat on Debbie112‘s balance bench as in KK‘s splendid illustration here.

Oh, and one of those acrylic paddles with holes!  

death to all those who wish to punish young women for expressing their sexuality…. i mean i imagine their deaths, not that they should actually die… probably

Scroll down and there are a list offenses near where you see Disciplinarian in the link below.

Assuming multiple warnings and a flagrant violation how many swats or days of swats should be awarded?  Or the nuclear option of expulsion.

http://www.edexec.com/files/CorporalPunish2011.pdf

Hello American Way,

There is something rather strange about that Edexec site.  However to check it out I need some facilities I haven’t got on this system.  More to follow – possibly!

Hi, members,
Paul here!
I hope I find all of you well.
It’s been a busy period for me with my working roles, over these last few weeks. Plus, as a SCP writer, I’ve been battling against time to finish off a story that I never thought I’d complete!!
I’ve missed my old friends on here.
So:
To ‘American Way’s’ survey. I’m sure you all know how much old Paul enjoys a survey. So here goes!!!
I have seen the image. The student is wearing skin-tight low rider denim pants. Her black top allows too much visible flesh and shows all of her midriff. That is unacceptable in any school. On seeing the image, it left both me and A.L physically shaken and sweating buckets. Thank the heavens it’s not summer time in the UK!  Poor A.L and me are of advanced years and keel over quite easily!!!!!
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My name is ‘Tisha Austin,’ and I am principal of a high school.
A pink slip referral to my office for a dress code violation sees senior student, Miss. Jane Doe, standing in front of my desk. It’s hardy the first time Miss. Doe has had a pink slip for this infraction. She has exceeded her limit for verbal warnings, I’m afraid. Thus, it is time to take action. She knows that the choices are suspension or the paddle. She chooses the paddle and I have verbal agreement from her folks.
I decide upon four swats with the female student’s paddle. (Sorry, members, but, yes, being a gentlemanly old soul, I would keep a lighter paddle for the girls).
Would I allow her to change her scant attire? Answer:
NOPE! If she can arrive on campus like it she can bend over like it.
The position would be grabbing those ankles in those low rider denims. She wants to come to high school showing flesh; well, she can show a bit more in my office.
Would I have a witness?
Without question, yes. A female member of my teaching staff.
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I’m sure this response shall upset Dane. Sorry about that, Dane, I really am, but we’re all entitled to our opinions and the scenario that ’American Way’ has presented warrants four swats.
Thank you, ‘American Way.’
Paul.

looks acceptable to me… send her back to class, itll be a nice day for her and a fair number of her fellow students and some of the facility… if some of her fellow seniors become distracted so be it… good training for the real world

She should be sent home immediately and be ready to be paddled as soon as is reasonable for her to return in (code-abiding) attire.  Schools are preparing students for the workforce.  Bad training for her in the real world of areas where they paddle.  You don’t find jobs that you can be proud of dressed in said manner.  You would want to do everything you can do to see that she does not reoffend. Anything less than nine would not be fine with me.

Prior posted.  Jim Ned High School Campus Discipline Plan.

https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … jpg?w=1000

Page 22.

http://schools.jimned.esc14.net/upload/ … ndbook.pdf

https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 2478002771

Hello Paul,

I cannot agree with dane that the young lady in your picture is entirely suitably dressed for school.  His comment that if she is allowed in class some of the students and some of the faculty will have a ‘nice day’ as a result is indeed eminently true.

However in a school environment do we really want that sort of ‘nice day’ on the curriculum?  Most males can ogle a pretty girl in a tight or skimpy outfit without any training whatsover.  Time in school is better devoted to necessary training in academic subjects for students and teaching said academic subjects for members of the faculty!

However I cannot agree with American Way either.  His recommendation that she be sent home to change and then given up to 8 paddle swats as soon as possible after her return is I think overly punitive.

Surely a quiet word in her ear before sending her home to change would be quite adequate?

Well it certainly should be, but alas a number of school heads on both sides of the Atlantic have got into hot water while attempting to tackle the vexed subject of how much of their body  schoolgirls can show in and on their way to and from school and in what type of attire.  Perhaps refrigerating the classrooms and regular fire alarm practices in mid-winter involving standing around outside for an hour or so in classroom garb might do the trick.  Another_Lurker for novel and effective solutions to old problems! 

EAL,

You have an annoying habit of resorting to that vary rare thing Common Sense in your replies. Please stop. It spoils the fun.

Years of evolution yielded the God given design for sitting.  True, where would we be without its attractiveness of years of begetting to get that point?  To get to the point how many swats would it take for her to be reminded that bottoms are made for sitting.  It’s a pointed and poignant message.   It’s not to be spanked or not to be spanked the question but it’s severity.  How do you define sufficient punitiveness?  Hopefully, the severity of the punishment will prevent future visit to the principal’s office for flouting the rules by flaunting her distracting charms.  A_L let’s not quibble about these matters.  Have a heart.  Give the guys a chance to learn. 

Hello KK,

Thank you, I take that very much as a complement.

But really, common sense indeed!  Clearly you haven’t been reading my Lady Krampus stuff! 

The swats would be administered by a female administrator and witnessed by a female professional and out of vision and hearing of the school body.  She would be treated in no different of a manner than any miscreant except being told to change her outfit prior to her spanking.  The sanction would be in proportion to the offence with the full approva of the parent or guardian.  There will be nothing untoward about this.

I’m lightening up.  Maybe a six swat at a time with the nine swat held in abeyance in the unlikely case that she chooses to reoffend would serve its purpose.  I doubt whether other girls would imitate her after they realize that the student handbook applies to everyone.

The school has the responsibility to keep the school focused as much as possible learning.  Anyone that would expect the boys not to be distracted is not living in the real world.  Adolescents are not adults and to believe otherwise puts an undue burden upon them.

I may be wrong but I was asked what I thought and I just did.

well technically she is an adult so it should be up to her and not a parent or guardian as to whether she receives corporal punishment… and there is definitely something untoward about it

Untoward is in the eye of the beholder or in this case their community.  Good luck convincing an administrator in Alabama (19) of Mississippi (21) that I am too old for you to spank me.

https://www.thebalanceeveryday.com/what … age-882666

In Greenwood High School MS age you won’t be exempt from corporal punishment until you are 21.

98% Black with one out of four girls are paddled and two out of three boys.  The disabled are even more likely to be paddled.  We are talking not swats but licks as often is the case of African Americans.  We are not talking two or three but five.

https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=255 … 8&pid=2342

https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=255 … 8&pid=2555

i think that the vast majority of administrators in either state would not corporeally punish a student who was over 18 against their will, alabama and mississippi may have older ages of majority than most state but that doesn’t mean being 18 doesn’t still confer rights and prerogatives not give to children.

dane, no student would be corporally punished (held down) against their will simply for safety reason.  By graduation time about half the seniors are 17. Their birthdays wouldn’t be factored in when the punishment would be assigned.  18-year-olds are being paddled everyday.  When the school and their parents want you spanked you’re under their roof so you’re in the position you would like to be in more ways than one.

Hello, members,
It’s Paul:
I see that my image of the female student with the bottom so curvaceous, attired in that clingy dress, has caused some debate among us. Excellent work, people! It’s what we need. Thank you.
Although I thank him for his valued contribution, I cannot agree with Dane’s liberal approach. It is a high school. And every school in every country in the world has standards. A school must have rules and both students and parents must adhere to the rule of the school. If the rule is not agreed to then there is no school.
If she was going out ‘clubbing,’ or, ‘partying,’ then fine, for it’s a stunning outfit and she looks gorgeous. It is in her social life or her free time that she has the right to express herself. But not in school!
She and her parents would have been well aware of the dress-code regulation. They would have been aware, too, of the consequences. Given that, in my position of principal, I would have paddled her personally, in the privacy of my office, in the presence of a senior female administrator. I would have telephoned her parents before the paddling. Four sound swats. And I shall repeat again: no, I would not have sent her away to change, neither would I have granted her request to go and change should she have asked. TOUGH! She would have bent across my desk in the dress. If the young lady thinks its ‘cool’ to wander about our high school dressed in such a way, then she can bend over like it.  One can bet your ‘BOTTOM’ $ that she would have had the audacity to be wearing a stringy thong under that outfit. DOUBLE TOUGH!
With paperwork, coupled with the necessary signatures, completed, she would be granted a fifteen minute pass to clean herself up then, sent home for the day on OCS  that would be entered on her school file. She would have letter in her hand for her folks, outlining the infraction and punishment given.
Hello, American Way. I thank you. I’m pleased that you decided to refrain from your possible nine swats. Six is quite a punishment, too, depending of course, on the paddle type and how hard you hit. Of course in your scenario, she would have been allowed to change. You’d bet your life that she’d return to campus attired in thick denims and something pretty substantial underneath. So maybe six, rather than my four, would be needed.
I am in agreement with your thoughts that nine would come her way should she contravene the dress code policy in future. And again, I think her paddling would make other female students think twice.
I’m not sure how you feel regarding my choice of always having a lighter paddle for the female students. Yes? No?
I agree with Dane that although the given state might have older ages of majority, I’m certain that a student over 19 would not be paddled currently. Perhaps in the past, but not today, I would have thought.
American Way, what are your thoughts on North Carolina banning SCP? Was it all but two districts? Do you think that, shall we say, the paddle might be gone in all the states that allow it within five years?
Ah, Mr A.L! Excellent response that certainly got this miserable old gent laughing! Great Idea. YEP! Chilly classrooms! That might help. (But of course you and I know well a case in old England in 1979 where Churchill Square School had chilly classrooms which led to a book blaze demo. Oh, how I loved that incident. Two girls caned!).
Don’t mention fire alarm checks to me!!! The times upon times in my working career that I’ve stood outside in the assigned place on a winter’s day. But perhaps it would cool down a female student’s paddled bottom!
I’m not in agreement with you that schools’ yearly battles with rising hemlines has been lost. My work takes me into many a school and I can say that UK schools do enforce the regulations regarding uniform. I know teachers who have mentioned girls being sent home for incorrect dress, etc
I’m sure American Way can enlighten us more on the U.S.
What I’m seeing is that most British state schools are more rigid with uniform policy than many of the private ones. Some are making girls wear trousers, only, while a dwindling few insist on skirts, only.
Now watch your driving next time you are near that school with the kilts!!!!
Thank you, all
Paul

Hello Paul,

Very glad to see that your busy life has allowed you time to return to at least one of your recent contributions.  I note that you’ve touched on the other here.  While you were over there did you note that there’s at least a possibility that Lisa is going to be helping out at my local Lady Krampus chapter on Krampusnacht. as one of the human auxiliaries they recruit for the big event?

On reflection that could have been a wrong move on my part.  What if she gets the opportunity and decides to take revenge for all those caning in front of the school and bottle green gym knickers jokes, to say nothing of events in the football manager thread!  Ah well, too late now!  

For the benefit of new readers who may be unfamiliar with the 1979  Churchill Square School  book blaze caning incident that you mention above, your similarly titled thread, in which you posted on the incident and received several replies is to be found here.

You said to me above:

I’m not in agreement with you that schools’ yearly battles with rising hemlines has been lost. My work takes me into many a school and I can say that UK schools do enforce the regulations regarding uniform. I know teachers who have mentioned girls being sent home for incorrect dress, etc

During the chilly autumn and winter period the massed ranks of schoolgirl skirt waistband rollers and hemline hikers always retreat from the front line of the battlefield a little and the forces of regulation enforcement and moral outrage in schools trumpet their consequent assumed victories.  Wait until the spring and summer sunshine though! 

You also asked American Way above:

I’m not sure how you feel regarding my choice of always having a lighter paddle for the female students. Yes? No?

Completely politically incorrect I am afraid.  Did you not read the pronouncements and advice on the SCP of female and male students from our former contributors Jenny, (from the receiving end) and Debbie112 (from the handle end) of the punitive implement?  Absolute equality rules ok!

Yes, I know Debbie112 wasn’t really a female AP in a southern US High School, and Jenny took things to extremes by advocating that male and female students who misbehaved together should be caned together, same number of strokes, same cane and same caner.  I recall asking her if some of the boys present might not gain a little erm. enjoyment, from watching their female partners in crime caned.  She said in essence that when in that situation everybody was too preoccupied with their own fate to bother about what was happening to others.

That notwithstanding, both Jenny and Debbie112 were expressing views which do have a number of adherents in today’s world.  Equality means equality, not equal only where it suits our scruples or prejudices.

North Carolina is unlikely to pass legislation to ban paddling statewide.  What I have seen is fewer counties and fewer > 3 swat paddlings.  The old school won’t bring back the 5 so they will spread 2 or 3 swats over a period of consecutive school days.  Arguably, an even crueler fate.

Any county can bring back paddling in North Carolina.  A man that has paddled girls is not going to stop. Name and shame doesn’t apply.  Even after the scribd source named these middle age men are still spanking girls according to Dr Patten’s shocking tweets.  They won’t stop until they collect their pensions, whether out of a sense of fairness or other less salubrious motives.

The last hold outs in North Carolina had an innovative solution to these gender equality issues 40 years ago.  Prior posted.  Only in America.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=W … hine&hl=en

Ah, A.L,.
Yes, I have two more thread responses to deal with….. and bless my heart and soul, that rampant Best girl has returned to school after truanting for weeks, no doubt.
Yes, ‘The book Blaze Demo!’ One of my all time favs. I still recall the day at work when I saw the article in the soaraway, sizzling Sun!!!

Talking of ‘sizzling,’ American Way, thank you for your valued high school paddling information. So all is not entirely lost in North Carolina. Regarding male administrators padding girls and who will not stop, regardless of the law, well, surely that would depend on the consequences of breaching ISD regulations (????).

The way I’m seeing things from here in the Brexit-ravaged U.K is that we are hardly likely to hear about a ‘Principal Robert Cousins,’ roasting girls’ bottoms, ‘Timpson style’ again. I would have thought. (I do live in hope!). That incident must be the daddy of them all. Boy did I sweat buckets that day!!!!

More anon…………..