It’s still surprisingly common for male administrators and coaches to paddle female students in many US schools, but less common for teachers of either sex to paddle students.
This illustrated four-page article describes the policy at Appling County High School in Georgia during 2012-13, when multiple days of paddlings were given instead of lunch detentions.
This was a student choice. Each lunch detention could be substituted for three swats with a paddle. The article focuses on one student, Sydney Black, who was repeatedly paddled for being tardy to school.
She graduated class of 2013. Multiple days of paddlings are still given at Jim Ned High School Texas, Flippin High School Arkansas and, as far as can be confirmed, at Appling County HS, Georgia.
ACHS 01.jpgArkansas and others.
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Absolutely fascinating. Almost too good to be true.
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Thanks for the feedback. I saw the original tweets and Sydney Black’s replies to questions posted on AskFM. Some are probably still online, but a number of them are shown in the article.
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Feb 16, 2020#4
Hello Texasrules,
Despite what my greatly esteemed fellow contributor American Way may claim, I don’t deny that lots of girls, or rather in some cases young women, are paddled by male staff in US schools. Nor do I deny that on occasion some of them get whacked in inappropriate clothing (inappropriate for being whacked in that is ????), even in cheerleader outfits. A number of schools have provision for repeated paddlings on successive days in their handbooks. I’ve no idea how often this actually happens, but I certainly don’t deny that it may happen.
But I have to point out that what you are propagating here is spanking semi-fiction, churned out wholesale a few years ago by ‘Southern Girls Paddled At School’, SGPAS for short. Largely the work of one individual who was reputedly also responsible for some of the most persistent and oft-repeated ‘literary accounts’ of alleged paddlings of female students, SGPAS picked up Twitter references to paddlings and then constructed elaborate illustrated and largely fictional accounts of them. Having done this they then posted supporting evidence for their accounts on a number of sites.
For anyone who enjoyed this genre of spanking fiction (and who am I to claim immunity ????) lots of it used to be readily available on Scribd. Stick SGPAS into DuckDuckGo and the very first thing that comes up is a hit to Scribd. And indeed there is still much SGPAS material on Scribd. However whereas it used to be completely free and unencumbered you now have to join Scribd for a 30 day free trial and after that either upload material in return for reading/download facilities, or you have to pay. Easy enough to bypass if you use multiple IP addresses and one-time email accounts, but inconvenient for most.
A final point: The publication you are linking is certainly a SGPAS product but has been re-branded to ‘ACHS Newsletter 2013, ACHS being ‘Appling County High School’. I have to ask you in all seriousness, do you really think a High School would put out a newsletter like that?
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Feb 16, 2020#5
Hi there, this article was compiled for a Facebook group discussing school corporal punishment in the USA and was never posted on SGPAS. It’s certainly not a school newsletter and doesn’t purport to be. It’s a magazine style factual article supported by tweets of the time (which are shown, some are still online!) and answers given by Sydney Black on AskFM. There is nothing fictional in the article, although some reasonable journalistic speculation fills in the detail of what happened in the office when that student was paddled. Hope that helps put it into perspective!
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Feb 16, 2020#6
A stinging rebuke is the way the community chooses as one of many tools in a toolbox of options to prepare them for more serious consequences that are likely to follow when they will have to paddle their own canoe.
Don’t they have a woman that can do anything other than standby and watch him perform such an unenviable task of spanking some of these girls in the picture?
Their parents must agree spanking their grown daughters is the best way of curbing them of their disruptive behavior and disregard of school regulations. It is their call and not for us to judge from afar.
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Feb 16, 2020#7
The good news is that she doesn’t look any worse for the wear now all grown up and paddling her own canoe.
A recent picture. Happy Valentine’s Day belatedly.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/10 … 00×400.jpg
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Feb 16, 2020#8
The site of a similar genre is found here without hoops to negotiate.
https://www.scribd.com/user/218333738/corporalpun1
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Feb 16, 2020#9
Hello Texasrules,
Thank you for a most reasoned and helpful response. You are entitled to your opinion and if you chose to regard the document as authentic you are of course free to do so. One point though. You wrote:
It’s certainly not a school newsletter and doesn’t purport to be.
Not so. Those who, like me, download the PDF to view it are downloading a file named ‘ACHS Newsletter 2013.pdf’ which is a pretty clear claim to be a school newsletter. The internal title of ‘SCHOOL DISCIPLINE REPORT: APPLING COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, BAXLEY, GEORGIA – SUMMER 2013’ is a little more ambiguous but, in my opinion at least, still attempts to suggest a link to the school.
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Hello American way,
The Scribd site you link is exactly the same one as I visited and is not without hoops to negotiate.
If you attempt to read a document after viewing the first page you will encounter this obscuring subsequent pages:
read.png (104.59KiB)
And if you click on ‘Continue for Free’ (or if you initially try to download the document) you will be taken to this sign-up page:
download.png (105.52KiB)
If you have found a way around these requirements other than joining then I, and doubtless others, would be grateful to know what it is.
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Feb 16, 2020#11
Sometimes it comes up and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t know why but I suspect cyber gremilins. Seriously, may I suggest copy/pasting the site via the bar and see if that works after it fails. Try this. There are many ways to skin a cat. A_L I wouldn’t put you on a wild goose chase. Honestly!
https://www.scribd.com/user/218333738/c … =affiliate
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Feb 16, 2020#12
The “newsletter” is one of a series produced for another group about US high school school corporal punishment. This one focuses on Appling County HS. It doesn’t mean that it’s a newsletter created by Appling County: that would be ridiculous, I agree.
I know it’s authentic, as I put the article together! It’s not from SGPAS. I have other articles created in the same newsletter style, focussing on different schools, but won’t bother sharing them here as you seem convinced it’s all fiction or semi-fiction. They’re all based on actual tweets, Facebook posts, Ask FM and CuriousCat responses. Fiction doesn’t interest me, but assembling factual information which throws light on school corporal punishment in the US does. Please give me some credit for not wasting
people’s time – or my own! Thanks.
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Hi Another Lurker, for the avoidance of doubt, nothing in the Appling report is fictional.
You posted: “But I have to point out that what you are propagating here is spanking semi-fiction, churned out wholesale a few years ago by ‘Southern Girls Paddled At School’, SGPAS for short.”
Not so. It has nothing to do with that site or the people who contributed to it or ran it. Propagating spanking semi-fiction is utterly pointless, in my view. So on that we agree!
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Feb 16, 2020#14
TexasRules,
A_L has his own thread (Punch Up) for he picks fight and it would clog up the other threads if people had to respond to his every contentious point. Don’t let him bait you. If he finds one thing untoward he throws the baby out with the bath water. I have confronted him on this very issue to no avail. He doesn’t like to be played for a fool. That is not an excuse but an explanation.
He is an acquired taste that some will never find palatable. It took me years. I trust he considers this post not to be a betrayal. Please don’t stop posting this late in the course of the history of what A_L has insightfully coined to be the estimable Forum.
You have no idea how many readers would be disappointed if you stop posting. A_L if you find him so annoying just block his posts. Don’t play the role of spoiler.
American Way
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Feb 16, 2020#15
Thanks for a supportive and informative post, American Way. I’d be interested to know from other group members what they think of a discipline policy that features
multiple days of paddlings. As with most forums, many lurk but few post. So please share your thoughts and, who knows, we can have other articles – all of which are
factually based!
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Feb 16, 2020#16
The nuclear option is to do 3 X 3 and from the Dr Stacy Patten cache the students sound like murderers awaiting on death row.
Gladewater Texan Lonny certainly dreaded his sentence. He suffered the nuclear option that provided the school with a deterrent.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … =776&h=662
With 18% of the boys and 7% of the girls paddled it can’t be ruled out that some girls got the nuclear option.
I think they would prefer one session. But should it be up to them? I think not! They have already made two choice. They failed to comply with the code of conduct and chose not to be suspended.
67 students were spanked for a total of 125 times in a school of about 500 students.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 2076002083
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=233 … 8&pid=2555
The faculty is as disproportionally white and the Black and Latino are suspiciously disproportionally paddled.
Too often the faculty perceive themselves (as whites) as better behaved with better upbringing.
Instead of saying there goes I but for the grace of God they become the wrath of God.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=233 … 8&pid=2342
Gladewater did not provide numbers. There is a lot of paddling that goes on in East Texas.
https://www.news-journal.com/news/local … 2ff15.html
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Feb 17, 2020#17
Hello Texasrules,
I hope very much that you will not cease to contribute. Just because I took issue with some elements of your contributions that is absolutely no reason to deprive other people of the interest and benefit they may derive from them.
I confess that I do find the attitude of some who post here now to any contradiction or argument rather strange. Years ago the regulars here argued vigorously with each other over issues big and small and nobody was any the worse for it. Generally only those who were clearly posting rubbish threw their toys out of the pram and stopped contributing. Having been accustomed to enjoying regular vigorous argument both in employment and in daily life I admit that I found it a most congenial environment! Alas no more. ????
If you have looked at any of the SGPAS publications I find it inconceivable that you would deny that the style of your production is very similar indeed. It also appears to deal with incidents in the same time period. I trust therefore that you can appreciate why I took it to be an SGPAS item. In the absence of more extensive evidence the axiom that if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck is generally fairly sound. However you now assure me that the item is your own work and nothing to do with SGPAS and I am happy to accept that for the purposes of the Forum. Further I congratulate you on the finished article. Many of our readers will not appreciate the considerable amount of work involved but I do.
You will note that in this contribution in another thread American Way asked me about the paddling picture in your publication. I hope that you will not object if I comment thereon, and I hope that he will not mind if I do so here, which seems perhaps a more logical location in view of the number of contributions already accrued in this thread.
Meantime you wrote:
I’d be interested to know from other group members what they think of a discipline policy that features multiple days of paddlings.
Unnecessary, unjustified and quite disgraceful would be my view of this practice. To my mind it indicates a corporal punishment regime which is at best contrived and at worst is most undesirably ritualistic, especially in a school context where males are punishing older teenage females.
To be in any way legitimate and avoid the above criticisms I think that school corporal punishment, if used at all (and I don’t support its use) should involve one of two methods, or a combination thereof. However because of practical considerations the second method is likely to predominate.
1: Make the process so unpleasant and inimical for the recipient that they won’t want to undergo it with any frequency even if you don’t actually hit them very hard at all. Punishment in front of school or class, punishment with limited or no protection from clothing etc.
2: Administer pain proportional to the degree of culpability. The more serious the offence the more whacks or the harder the whacks or both.
Repeated daily punishments do not meet either criteria. There is no question of the punitive process deterring the recipient. It will be so familiar that it will be just a routine. Nor is the pain likely to be much of a deterrent. If you are going to whack them every day you really can’t whack them very hard otherwise the cumulative damage would be unacceptable. If, as you say in the PDF, Sydney Black was sometimes receiving up to 25 swats in a week (5 swats per day over the 5 day school week) with a maple paddle 20 in × 4 in × ½ in then she clearly wasn’t being hit very hard at all or the result would have been rather more than, as you put it, a stinging, fiery crimson bottom.
My retrospective suggestions for Dr Gene Starr? Easy! First forget that credenza (sideboard to us Brits). The one in the picture is far too high and pushed up against the wall like that it won’t permit effective bending over. Instead make ’em assume the brace position, hands flat on the wall, outstretched arms and back parallel to the floor, feet shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent and bottom pushed well out. Be finicky about the posture and always require some adjustment which they’ll perceive as likely to make the punishment more severe. Make a big issue of folding back sweaters etc., which might impinge on the target area. You want them to feel both undignified and vulnerable within limits, and a bit of extra time for them to contemplate what’s coming and heighten apprehension won’t do any harm either.
Then for 4th and 5th tardies give them three really hard swats and for 6th to 8th tardies make it five ditto. If they’ve foolishly presented themselves for punishment in an outfit which will offer less protection than the norm or otherwise increase the punitive effect that’s their problem. Don’t ease up on the swats as a consequence. Leave plenty of time between each swat to let the pain sink in, as one of our former female contributors used to say. The 60 seconds she used to advocate is probably too much, but 10 to 15 seconds should do it. If they don’t evince significant audible distress at each whack then you aren’t hitting them hard enough. If there’s other students waiting for punishment outside the door you want maximum volume for the sound effects to enhance their punitive experience. Every little helps!
Done properly then most students subjected to the above routine will get the message after the 4th or 5th tardy! Few will be brave stupid enough to come back for the 6th to 8th tardy variant. Absolutely no need for all that 9 and 15 swat nonsense spread over multiple days, wasting your valuable time and clearly failing to get the job done properly, at least to judge by the Sydney Black case. Another_Lurker, the man whose name tardy students definitely don’t want to find on the door of the Principal’s office! ????
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Feb 17, 2020#18
5 swats count for 2 days or are rendered 15 as in MWF. 3 swats count for five days or are Rendered 15 as in MTWTF.
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Feb 17, 2020#19
Hello American way,
As noted in my above contribution #17 above, you asked me my opinion of the paddling picture in the PDF produced by Texasrules.
Here is the picture:
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Insofar as I can judge the picture is an actual photograph and has not been faked by adding figures or other material. If it has been so faked then it has been done by someone considerably better at such things than me, and I’m supposed to be reasonably capable.
Is it, as the explanation provided in the PDF states, a female student at Appling County High School being paddled by Principal Starr shot through the window in the door of Principal Starr’s office? It certainly could be. But equally it could be anyone simulating the paddling of a girl in a suitable room with a door window. The photograph is very blurred and with the software I have available on this system it is beyond my current capability to sharpen it sufficiently to show discernible detail in, for instance, the certificate/diploma on the wall above the girl’s head. Possibly someone else may be able to do so.
If it was indeed shot by a girl waiting to be paddled as stated it is understandable that it is blurred. If caught she could probably expect a further paddling, and except in highly trained people fear is seldom conducive to a steady hand.
Some things do puzzle me. I would have thought that a Principal would not have wanted a transparent window in the door of his office which afforded a view into the office from an area accessible to students, especially if it overlooked the area in which he paddled students as in this case.
Is the girl actually being paddled? The paddle is at a very strange angle and there is no sign that the girl has been bent over. Would the principal hang on to the jacket like that? Surely once she was bent over he would fold it out of the way, or more likely instruct her to do so. If she then broke posture and stood up in reaction to a swat, as might be assumed to have happened in the picture, the jacket would most likely simply drop back into position. The principal wouldn’t be holding it, as appears to be the case here. The backward kick of the girl’s left leg might well be confirmation of involuntary reaction to the pain of a swat and indicative of the fact that she has stood up abruptly. So, again, why is the person with the paddle holding the jacket?
All that said, the PDF details the antecedents of the picture as provided by the accompanying Twitter exchanges. A couple of image search sites don’t find an instance of the picture online now, and one of them is quite good at identifying parts of bigger pictures. This is good. Twitter pictures do often disappear after a year or two whereas SCP pictures of which bits are appropriated for other purposes often don’t. Remember the faked picture of the girl being paddled in the hallway. On balance, if you choose to take the picture as the real McCoy I certainly can’t produce evidence to gainsay you.
But if overlooking paddlings at Appling County High School is so easy, what a pity that a student with good nerves and a steady hand hasn’t shot a video of a complete paddling. It would only be necessary to keep it under wraps for long enough for memory of who was outside the door waiting while a particular student was being paddled to be lost and it wouldn’t be possible to trace the person responsible. That said, I’m surprised the girl who took the photograph wasn’t apprehended as the Twitter exchanges seem to indicate that the picture was posted immediately, when it must have been possible for the school authorities to identify her if it came to their attention.
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Feb 17, 2020#20
Wow, talk about over-analyzing everything! Can nothing be accepted as genuine?
1/ I have a photo posted by Sydney Black on Twitter when she was waiting in the same principal’s office that shows the same chairs
2/ It’s common for office doors to have a window in them. I have tweets from students talking about watching a paddling through the assistant principal’s door, and even
janitors watching from outside the office. Some coach’s offices have larger windows. Ali Christmas was one student paddled in view of people outside and that pic was
posted on Twitter
3/ Principal Starr is left handed
4/ Of course the photo is blurred! It’s taken quickly through glass on a cellphone
5/ I understand the swat (or lick at Appling) had just landed on Erin Lamb’s bottom and her left leg jerking up was a reaction to it. The paddle is swinging back for the next swat
6/ Principal Starr holding her jacket isn’t unusual at all. He could have asked her to remove it, but it was probably easier to hold it out of the way. Folding it up would only lead to it falling down on every swat, that’s self-evident.
7/ It would be an elaborate and pointless hoax indeed if the picture was not genuine, requiring setting up a fake photo and the involvement of two Appling students with
active Twitter accounts to have the exchange of tweets, and many others who liked the tweet. Ludicrous.
8/ Students at Appling have to place their hands on the credenza and lean over, not bend over more than that. Principal Starr did not use his desk for paddling. It is on the right of the photo, behind the door
9/ As AL says: “On balance, if you choose to take the picture as the real McCoy I certainly can’t produce evidence to gainsay you” WOW. Seriously?
10/ AL says ” But equally it could be anyone simulating the paddling of a girl in a suitable room with a door window.”
Behind that pompous bluster he has trouble accepting that the photo is genuinely Erin Lamb being paddled at Appling County HS. Extraordinary! Amusing.
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Feb 17, 2020#21
A couple of other worthwhile points:
I’ve just checked and the original tweet and photo are still live on Twitter, with Erin Lamb’s response as shown in the pdf I posted.
Yeh, but of course it’s all fake if we follow A_L cynical reaction to almost everything he sees.
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Feb 17, 2020#22
TexasRules,
Thanks for posting. You have no reason to be deceiving our readers.
It is phenomenally rare to find a highly educated principal paddling a 17-year-old girl with Hollywood good looks in the process of getting a series of recording breaking swats to be caught on camera. I have no reason to doubt that this is not factually base. She seems credible to me. It is a case of the truth being stranger than fantasy.
Keep them coming and don’t let A_L keep you from doing so.
American Way
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Feb 17, 2020#23
Thanks American Way, appreciate it! Is there a way I can private message you?
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Feb 17, 2020#24
Unfortunately that is not an option.
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Feb 17, 2020#25
Hi American Way, I was thinking of deleting the post after A_L threw so much derision at the article. But now I’ll leave it after your support. You can message me if you wish on FB
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Feb 17, 2020#26
Vy Lam got a double spanking at Appling. Three swats and then five swats for tardies. These are pretty good youngsters because the never seem to get paddled for anything worse than tardies.
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/30evac … 9e5836.jpg
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Feb 17, 2020#27
I may be wrong but my take is that 15 swats per week was the maximum. It would be 5 swats at a time over three days or 3 swats over five days to work off the lunch detentions. So for instance, at your 6th offense you have a week of 15 swats however you want to spread them (no pun intended). That same penalty would be applied for the next two offenses. After that you enter into consequences other than lunch detentions that cannot be worked off by swats.
RULE 24a: EXCESSIVE TARDIES TO CLASS
Students are to be on time to all classes, assemblies, and advisement meetings. Any student who is not in class when the tardy bell rings will be considered tardy, unless they have a legal excuse from the office or another teacher (See also Rule 21: Check-In Policy).
Recommended Dispositions
1st OffenseVerbal warning by teacher
2nd – 5th OffenseReferral to administration and 3 days Lunch Detention.
6th – 8th OffenseReferral to administration and 5 days Lunch Detention.
9th – 11th OffenseReferral to administration and 1-day Saturday School.
12th and Subsequent Offense2 days ISS.
RULE 24b: EXCESSIVE TARDIES TO SCHOOL
Students are to be at school on time. Students who are not in 1st Block class when the tardy bell rings must have an Admittance Slip from the front office. The front office will handle the discipline referral for students tardy to school.
Recommended Dispositions
1st, 2nd, 3rd Unexcused TardiesWarning
4th & 5th Unexcused Tardy3 days Lunch Detention
After (5) unexcused tardies in one semester the student will not be eligible to exempt their final exams.
6th – 8th Unexcused Tardy5 days Lunch detention
9th – 11th Unexcused Tardy1 day Saturday School
12th and each Subsequent Tardy 2 days ISS, plus parent conference
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Feb 17, 2020#28
Does “rather” mean “if possible” or “two series” of swats. Some handbooks prohibit more than X number of swats for each offense so does that prohibit multiple series of swats in one day?
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Feb 17, 2020#29
I read this as:
I’d prefer to get two swats (what she calls paddlings) tomorrow than serve Saturday School
Students often refer to swats, pops or licks collectively as ‘a paddling’. or ‘paddlings’ meaning individual swats
Hope that makes sense!
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Feb 20, 2020#30
Cornersville, TN
One translation is that instances are precipitating incidence that resolved through a set of paddling sessions as in 3 corporal punishments. Why wouldn’t they write swats like the overwhelming of school use?
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/f … iJqpwSGj58
Corpun opined.
At Cornersville, a “set” of tardies is three tardies. For the first set, students receive “3 early morning detentions or 3 corporal punishments”. According to local sources this does not mean three paddle swats, it means nine swats spread over three days. The second set of tardies brings four detentions or four “corporal punishments”. For the third set (i.e. on the 9th tardy), the penalty is five detentions or, remarkably, five “corporal punishments”. CP is also the consequence for a first set of eight demerits.
Stats. In 2020 a new biennial set of stats are due.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=248 … 7&pid=2072
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#31
Cornersville is in Marshall County. Questions about disabilities is the focus of this study.
https://comptroller.tn.gov/content/dam/ … Report.pdf
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#32
Sydney Black is far from the exception from young ladies school administrators feel strongly would benefit from multiple days of paddling. Most girls that are spank shake it off but not those that are subject to multiple days of swats. You’re heart goes out to these girls until you realize they’re almost adults and have gambled by putting their butts on the line.
If this doesn’t result in an attitude adjustment or a behavior modification I don’t know what will?
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … ho9kl8.jpg
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … rhe18x.jpg
I hope this Tennessee young lady in the last link didn’t suffer the same fate of this Lady Mule of Texas on her way to senior pictures. That is how BB felt on Senior picture hen she was asked to smile for the camera.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … jpg?w=1000
Ashley’s school is one of the rare schools that authorizes any teacher to administer swats. She certainly knows how to swing a bat. I hope her coach won’t be the one that is assigned to spank her. More than a few girls were paddled in her senior year at Cornersville High School.
https://www.beckimpressionsphotography. … sville-tn/
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#33
What was going on at Ozona High School in 2015 when Morgan’s tale (tail) of woe unfolded? Maybe she was punished for one minute late as mentioned in their handbook. Maybe that is why 11% of the girls and 20% of the boys were paddled in a school of 300 students. It may seem insignificant except I’d you were one 30 boys or 15 girls that had to endure a punishment for being a minute late. With 300 students and 15% paddled some of those 45 students were in Morgan’s shoes. I doubt if the youngster were up to that much mischief than paddle worthy tardies. There are 10 teachers to every student so you are being closely watched and they all have the right to spank you. These accounts become more credible when you become aware of the back story.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=250 … 8&pid=2342
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#34
The expectations and requirements as outlined under that category indicates just how strict the school is at the school. While only 15 girls among these 2015 cheerleader, one of these 10 may have been one of them among the 11% of the girls paddled.
Who could spank such innocent looking darlings? Not all ten teachers from Morgan’s Ozona, mentioned in posting #32 second link, are among those high schools.
https://www.ozonastockman.com/articles/ … eerleaders
There are almost as many ways of being punished as there are cheerleaders.
http://www.ozonaschools.net/UserFiles/S … 7%2018.pdf
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#35
Making sense of Ozona statistics.
Ozona High School. The last four years of school 14 through 18 year olds are 200 students. 12% of the 100 girls were paddled. 21% of the 100 boys.
Instances of corporal punishment (Students without disabilities): 30 Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 29 (male: 19, female: 10) Hispanic: 25 (male: 17, female: 8) White: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Instances of corporal punishment (Students with disabilities): 6 Students with disabilities who received corporal punishment: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Hispanic: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Section 504: 4 (male: 2, female: 2)
http://www.city-data.com/school/ozona-h … ol-tx.html
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Unread postFeb 20, 2020#36
I have not posted before, but will add my 2 cent to the original post that began this thread.
The posted picture of the newsletter paddling is no doubt authentic. In my opinion, the student is reacting to the first swat of a standard 3 swat paddling. The paddler likely waited for her to regain the assumed position before carrying out the remainder of the sentence.
The blurred nature of the picture aligns with other genuine paddling pictures I have come across on social media. The photographers are often times risking a paddling themselves or more swats added to a paddling they are waiting for due to having a phone out during school.
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Unread postFeb 23, 2020#37
TWP Renee, et. al. thought if a real school paddling would be shown it would take the wind out of the anti-SCP zealots. The “pop” of the paddling of the Booneville protected her privacy but help dispel that notion. The Everman TX paddling demonstration (possibly the link can be still shared) elicited a response from Alan Turing on how these spankings were mild. Little wonder they choose that over boring punishments.
If a real 15 swat paddling was video taped surreptitiously you might get a truer idea similar to the “newsletter” spanking. These deeply religious girls ask for prayers to help their friends endure these multiple paddlings.
This 1870 reporter wondered if this demonstration was for the purpose of deception to take the wind out of those that claimed these Delaware whippings were barbaric.
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 72%2C4950/
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Unread postFeb 23, 2020#38
Hello American Way,
American Way wrote:
The Everman TX paddling demonstration (possibly the link can be still shared)
Your every wish is my command! ???? Curiously this came up around this time last year too and everything you need, including a link to the video and screen grabs therefrom is to be found here.
The video now plays just fine on the Corpun site as initially linked in that post so the subsequent link direct to Clipmoon that I provided is no longer required. Indeed the video has now been re-hosted, so the Clipmoon link doesn’t work anyway.
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Unread postFeb 23, 2020#39
I would appreciate the forum’s consideration of some other covertly snapped pictures of a high school paddling about to take place. The images are quite similar to the one in the Appling County newsletter. To some of the more experienced posters, would it be appropriate to discuss them here or would this be a topic for another thread?
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Unread postFeb 23, 2020#40
Hello qwerty133,
And welcome to the Forum as a contributor.
I inadvertently became the villain of the piece in earlier discussions over the picture you mention, and indeed over the ‘Newsletter” in which it appeared. I would stress that as far as I’m concerned anyone is free to believe and write whatever they wish about the picture or the newsletter, and ‘anyone’ includes me!
I note your comments on the picture. I would be most interested in why you arrive at the conclusion that this depicts the aftermath of the first swat of a standard three swat paddling.
As regards the blurred nature of the picture, if it is a genuine picture I am in full agreement with you regarding the reason for the blurring and I said as much in my comments on the picture in my post #19 earlier in the thread which appears to have so annoyed Texasrules.
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Unread postFeb 23, 2020#41
Oops! Sorry qwerty133!
I hadn’t seen your contribution #39 when making my previous post, and as this post will open a new page for most people I wouldn’t want anyone to miss your query.
The way things mostly work out here is that the subject matter in a thread often follows the subjects which crop up in the course of the thread so I’d have thought any discussion of covertly shot pictures of paddlings would be just fine in this thread. But you or others may disagree.
On the subject of covert images of SCP I’ll take the liberty of raising again something I touched on in my post #19 earlier in the thread. Over the years there have been lots and lots of covertly shot videos of SCP from all sorts of locations around the world. Many have been linked here and it has often been fairly clear that the person shooting them has been at risk of, and apprehensive about, being caught and presumably retribution in the form of becoming a recipient of the punishment they were filming.
But although there are single shot pictures said to have been taken covertly of US paddlings, I recall few if any videos. I doubt that it’s any worse being paddled than having to kneel on top of your desk and sit back on your heels for several hard strokes of the cane on the front of your thighs, the likely fate if discovered of the originator of a covert video from the Republic of Korea that made a big impression on me.
If a US student gets their phone out to record a paddling I would have thought that the principle of as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb would have prevailed and they’d have gone for a video, far more dramatic and telling than most stills, and far harder to fake. But they apparently don’t. I’d be interested in any explanations for why.
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Unread postFeb 24, 2020#42
We don’t often think of a semi-standing position but it is not unheard of as apparently at Appling. If he had his hand both lifting the jacket to access her bottom and protecting the base of her spine. A sudden movement on her part would explain the final placement of the jacket.
This picture from a 1958 Texas yearbook can be found in a similar posture.
https://images.classmates.com/yearbooks … 5/0045.jpg
The principal (not principle) must feel comfortable that he can safely paddle her (he certainly has had enough practice through the years) in that position however unwise it may seem.
In slow motion you can see the impact of a paddling in a more traditional position found on the bottom of the page. It is a good thing he didn’t insist upon giving them three swats or fifteen over five days. At least they would have the elixir that might alleviate pain that Aplling girls wouldn’t have.
http://www.chicagospankingreview.org/vi … dling.html
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Unread postFeb 25, 2020#43
Thank you to both A_L and American Way for your replies.
I have decided that the information I am currently compiling will best be suited in a separate thread.
A_L, your question as to why we do not see many (or any) complete videos of high school corporal punishment reminded me of a short video I recall saying a while ago. While the punishment itself was not shown, the student’s reaction was captured. What I found most interesting was that the video is said to be shot by a member of the school staff and not a student. If I can relocate it, I will submit for discussion.
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Unread postFeb 26, 2020#44
Hello qwerty133,
I look forward to your new thread when you have time. On reflection your decision to opt for a separate thread does seem sensible as hopefully Texasrules will have more material to post in this one at some stage.
The video you mention sounds most interesting. It is very remiss of me but I fear that I have not been following the excellent Corpun.Com site as closely as I should. For some time my visits there have been simply to consult the index in order to look up something I already knew was there and link it here. I had a vague memory of a video showing what seemed to be a surreptitiously shot paddling and tonight I visited Corpun to see if it was there I had seen it.
To my surprise there are now sixteen videos there showing what are said to be actual paddlings in US schools, all but one of male students being punished. The majority of them certainly might be surreptitiously shot, though in some instances the school staff would have to be pretty unobservant for this to be the case. The pages with the videos are to be found here (nine videos) and here (seven videos].
The first video on the second page is the only one showing girls being paddled. It is a very strange video and personally I do not think that it was shot surreptitiously. It was discussed fairly extensively here in the past, when it first appeared on a video site (Youtube?) and was found by, I think, American Way. My apologies if it was someone else. I recall at one stage embedding it in a post in the Computing Corner thread, I think as a demonstration to someone of how to embed videos, which was rather more difficult on Network54 than it is on Tapatalk. If anyone is interested I can probably locate the previous discussion. No promises, but don’t hesitate to ask.
It is clear from the above that I was mistaken in thinking that surreptitiously shot videos of US school paddlings are conspicuous by their absence. My apologies for any concern or confusion this may have caused. It is interesting though that the probable candidates on Corpun seem to be exclusively of boys being paddled. For some of the other countries featured on surreptitiously shot SCP video pages at Corpun there are several videos involving girls, or girls and boys.
Does the US imbalance mean that far fewer girls get paddled there? Does it indicate that girls are much more likely than boys to be paddled in strict privacy, with no other students present and able to snatch a video? Does it mean that when girls are paddled if other students are present they are likely to be girls, and female clothing, lacking pockets, makes it more difficult for girls to surreptitiously quickly deploy a ‘phone? Any ideas, anyone?
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Unread postFeb 26, 2020#45
What is the objection to the (surreptitious) videoing of school CP?
1. An invasion of the beneficiary’s right to privacy? (Hardly valid a valid objection when punishment is carried out in the presence of other students.)
2. Possession or use of a prohibited attention-diverting device due school hours.
3. The video operator is out of bounds or absent from class.
4. The school does not want its activities revealed.
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Unread postFeb 26, 2020#46
I am not surprised there are more videos of boys being paddled than of girls. Far more boys are paddled than girls.
Boys and girls are different. There is still a discussion as to whether the differences are largely biological and innate, or largely due to cultural influences beginning at an early age. In any event, boys are more paddled than girls and boys generally react more positively to the experience than girls. Getting paddled is often seen as macho (a test of manliness) rather than shameful.
The paddling of girls, especially by men, is distinctly unsavory to me. I am the product of an earlier more chivalrous time. Videoing such activity is weird.
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Unread postFeb 27, 2020#47
Hello KK,
KK wrote:
What is the objection to the (surreptitious) videoing of school CP?
What a fascinating question. I genuinely wish I’d thought to pose it.
Of the possibilities you list I suspect that No. 4 is probably the most pertinent. Certainly one gets the feeling in many apparently surreptitiously shot videos of SCP that the operator of the camera device faces punishment if discovered. And publicising of such videos via the media is often closely followed by claims from the school that what we thought we saw wasn’t actually what happened and if it was it was all an unfortunate mistake and won’t happen again, ever, or at least not until the next time.
As you may recall our former contributor Renee, of ‘Teachers Who Paddle’ had a theory that an openly distributed video depicting actual school paddlings might diminish anti-SCP sentiment by demonstrating that the process is a great deal more simple and straightforward and a lot less ritualised and sexualised than is often claimed. I’m by no means certain of that. I think that the concept of SCP is now so widely accepted as politically incorrect and even distinctly unsavoury that it would have entirely the opposite effect.
And I think that is why schools try to prevent videoing of punishments. The school administration knows that students get whacked. Teachers know that students get whacked. Parents know that students get whacked. Students know that students get whacked. But perish the thought that anyone outwith those categories who doesn’t know that students get whacked should become aware that they do, especially via an accessible medium like video! Prevention is almost always preferable to cure.
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Unread postFeb 27, 2020#48
TexasRules the Appling Newsletter has disappeared into cyberspace? Should its absence mean we will never see an illustrated report again? I hope not.
Many IMHO would agree with bripuc. The illustrated report was almost too good to be true. But it is true or at least factually based. A_L intitially skewered you however he resorts to minimizing or rationalizing that’s what he did. If I were you I would demand an apology. TexasRules some feel apologies don’t mean anything but don’t count me among them.
TexasRules it can be said of us all but morse so of him. Some have acquired taste for his postings but I can understand why you wouldn’t want to sip the Koolaid.
The first posting of this thread.
11:58 PM – Feb 15, 2020#1
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Unread postFeb 27, 2020#49
Hi Another Lurker, Re the video you refer to above on Corpun:- I downloaded that from Youtube in January 2011. It was deleted straight after.
I eventually put it up on the old SFR forum & it spread from there. I cant remember whether I put it up on here but it is highly likely.
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Unread postFeb 27, 2020#50
Thanks HolyFamilyPenguin for your supportive post on the Appling High School report. Yes, I removed it. The accusation by Another Lurker of it being almost total fabrication, based on an old SGPAS format with a ‘fake’ paddling photograph (it’s still on the Appling grad’s Twitter feed!) were a distraction to intelligent debate on the school’s policy of multiple days of paddlings – the point of the report.
I respect any member’s right to an opinion, but to be shot down in flames for a well-researched factual article was disappointing, particularly as he used such pompous and patronising language. It certainly doesn’t encourage me to post more. Recently, Another Lurker said “the concept of school corporal punishment is now so widely accepted as politically incorrect and even distinctly unsavoury…” That may be true in New York or Los Angeles but, in the South, many school districts still use paddling as a discipline method and parents do not see it as “politically incorrect” or “unsavoury”. His technique is often not to encourage debate but to attack and undermine. I’m all for debate, but also respect. Too much to ask?
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Unread postFeb 27, 2020#51
Hello davenhall,
My apologies if it was you who posted the video in question here and not American Way. I recall that there was extensive discussion of it and I remember argument between myself and I think Prof.n about details of some feature which assisted with identifying the context and antecedents. A clock or calendar on the classroom wall possibly.
Often I can find past posts here by some remembered comment, but I’ve tried everything I can think of for discussion of that video and drawn a blank. Dogged searching of all likely threads might find it but I haven’t resorted to that yet.
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Unread postFeb 28, 2020#52
No worries AL
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Unread postMar 05, 2020#53
TexasRules.
It is interesting that the first tweet that I posted here I was treated with such derision by A_L and now my entry seems to be borne out by scores of similar tweets. I didn’t appreciate it then and now I know that I am not alone in this regard.
He dismissed it because the account was so short lived. Accounts are closed for many reasons. It was not a very persuasive argument and even less so now in light of the curated trove assembled by Dr Stacy Patten in her efforts to stop the practice.
Demerits are worked off before the end of the semester thus starting Taylor Lake started off 2013 with a clean slate.
It was the last day before the Christmas break. Jingle bell panties is something that would appeal to that age group of girls. A_L’s lack of knowledge of the American Way is an explanation but not an excuse. Paddling is serious business but sometimes it doesn’t turn out to be that way.
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Unread postMar 07, 2020#54
Erin Lamb was an honor student at Appling and one of the first recipients of a baccalaureate at her college. The picture of her being paddled must not have seen all that unusual among the students of her state college. It is students that graduate from these schools that may soon be wielding the paddle albeit in smaller numbers as teachers.
One thing many people don’t understand is that with third of a billion people some would expect to be paddled in Baxley GA but would be aghast in places where a child has not been hit for decades in school and fewer and fewer are spanked at home. Even with her psychology degree she may still favor paddling.
https://m.facebook.com/erin.g.lamb.5
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Unread postMar 08, 2020#55
Sir A_L do you now believe the Appling accounts in the newsletter? Only cowboys would persist in their unbelief. The unstaged and surreptitious shot of the paddling of Erin Lamb, as pictured in the newsletter and Ali Christmas of Brighton High School, as pictured in Dr Patten’s trove, does not come to them as surprise.
TexasRules has been a member of the estimable Forum for a number of years. He deserves better treatment just on that account. TexasRules is there anyway of reposting the newsletter without a personal exchange? If it jeopardizes you I certainly I can certainly understand your reticence.
When the boys and girls make those paddles, as some schools do, it wouldn’t cross their minds that one gender would be treated any differently. There would be a lot less spanking in schools if the administrators followed Renee of TWP fame advice and not treat it as a paddle worthy offense. Girls do get spanked by males and it is a everyday happening.
Cowboy is a polite way to address a newly inducted honoree of being a horse’s ass. Hitherto and henceforth I will call you Sir A_L. What’s with Sir Mick Jagger? Philanthropy shouldn’t buy you a title. Who next? Boy George?
Sir A_L, not to disparage your Sovereign, But the Courage to Submit Hall of Fame is more selective. But don’t let it go to your head. Nancy Guillen was put ignominiously on probation after induction for a short period of time. Look what happened to one of the few male members. Milton Kuykendall.
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Unread postMar 08, 2020#56
Hello American Way,
It is clearly a matter of some importance to you to get the Appling High School Newsletter re-posted by Texasrules and I certainly would not wish to thwart your very reasonable ambition. To that end I am very happy to undertake not to comment on contributions that Texasrules may post simply on the grounds that I have personal doubts or queries regarding some aspect of their content. As with any post if an inaccuracy is likely to give rise to significants misunderstanding and can be readily demonstrated by reference to other sources I would expect to say so but I have absolutely no reason to suppose that any material likely to be posted by Texasrules would fall into that category.
And on a lighter note, please do not refer to me as ‘Sir A_L’ as you state that you intend to do. I am deeply conscious of the honour conferred by my proposed induction into the Pantheon, but there is of course the matter of the encounter with Ms Rutherford when those bronze doors open before that can go ahead. Who knows, I may fail to acquit myself to the standards required for membership. After all, I have frequently confessed here that if in reality a woman equipped with a punitive implement and the intention to use it on me were to approach I would if possible run away!
Since you made no mention of being bound, blindfolded. and propelled in the direction of the initiatory procedure by unseen hands, as was the case in the sorority initiation of our former contributor Renee, my running away may well be the outcome! Errm, come to think of it, any chance you might be able to arrange some binding, blindfolding and propelling by unseen hands for the big day? If it thwarts my inclination to a quick exit and gets me into the Pantheon I can hack the having to strip naked first like Renee. Indeed the latter may save a bit of time, having researched Ms Rutherford’s preferred MO! Gulp! ????
Seriously, once one leaves school there are only three reasons for addressing someone as ‘Sir’:
1: In a formal situation where the person addressed has been Knighted and is thus entitled to be addressed as ‘Sir’ out of respect for the Sovereign who granted them that honour.
2: Whatever their station in life, because you have a very deep respect for the person you are addressing or for what they do.
3: If asking the way in the small hours of the night when a road closure has once again precipitated you into some unmapped (at least by the car satnav or Google) hellhole of a very rough urban area and the only person in sight who may be able to offer assistance is male, very large, very intimidating in appearance and clearly rather inebriated!
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#57
so that means its up to me to talk smack of this texasrules dude if he starts posting fake stuff or advocating paddle raping kids or i’m deep in my cups … someones gotta play the devils advocating or we’ll be knee deep in one handed typists and their very soiled sock puppets.
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#58
I’ve never had an issue with forum members asking reasonable questions about any posts, but where there is tangible evidence from tweets or Facebook posts of a school paddling, then I think we could respect that it’s genuine. I don’t bother with fiction…what’s the point? I thought American Lurker’s attack (for that is what it was) was ill-founded, badly judged and, in the way it was written, dismissively rude. But we’ve moved on.
Then DMP heaves over the horizon to say “its up to me to talk smack of this texasrules dude if he starts posting fake stuff or advocating paddle raping kids or i’m deep in my cups … someones gotta play the devils advocating or we’ll be knee deep in one handed typists and their very soiled sock puppets.”
What’s the point in me posting anything on a forum filled with such rudeness. I have never posted anything fake and his other suggestion is simply offensive.
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#59
i should clarify that i believe all paddling is a form of rape, not that i would expect posters generally to advocate actual coital assault with paddling… and i was kidding about being deep in my cups i virtually never drink alcohol
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#60
How can DMP compare the sexual assault of a male or female student with using a paddle to smack that same student’s clothed behind for misbehaving? Paddling would not be condoned by schools, parents or legislators if anyone thought it was “a form of rape” as he suggests. Ludicrous.
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#61
TexasRules,
Almost everyone, in our rapidly diminishing membership, is coming around to believing your posts. Yes, even A_L has given some of the Patten trove credence. Your research is valuable for their products give information not available everywhere in the USA because of the absence of common broadcast areas like Baxley, Georgia or to a lesser extent Enterprise, Alabamma. The social media has become that source of information.
It is fair game to argue how factual base (due to the proclivities of adolescence) but to dismiss your posts as fiction is another matter altogether. It is fair game to argue the pros and cons but to demonized the pros is beyond the pale as it is to impugn your motives.
With all due respect to A_L, though he is always pompous and patronizing and may I add too often pugnacious, he really isn’t a bad chap. Sometimes the Atlantic is like a pond and sometimes it is like an ocean. We don’t understand the UK and he does not understand the USA. The difference in humor is more than just the spelling.
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#62
Without the Appling County newsletter online made available by TexasRules may I suggest to make a link to the thread to Male Teachers Punishing Girls it would be good to view roofy posting of 813 and following. When you find so many references by different girls from Appling and Enterprise you see what outliers they really are. Not many schools paddle that often and those like Enterprise woman are tasked to paddle the girls.
What does surprise me is that Springtown, TX male paddling of two girls would gather national attention when it was far from unusual. Baxley and Enterprise are in a world of their own but far from all alone. If is because schools such as this spankings will continue and some with multiple days and some with males paddling girls for years to come. More than 90% of America wouldn’t believe this is or even was occurring.
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#63
Hello Texasrules,
First, I’m sorry that you find my language ‘pompous and patronising’. But that’s just me, it’s how I talk and how I write. It’s done very well by me in my life I’m happy to say, and I’m certainly not going to change it now.
However if it offends you so badly, as American Way points out above, you don’t need to see my posts. All you’ll get is a little note in a thread that I posted. If you’d like to set that up and don’t know how to just ask.
Which brings me to a request: My friend American Way really would like to see your Appling High School Newsletter back in the thread. It means a lot to him and it saddens me to see him disappointed as despite our occasional spats we go back a long way. I’ve already undertaken to try not to post anything in respect of your posts that might offend you and I’ve pointed out that you don’t need to see my posts anyway. Given that, is it possible please that you might see your way clear to re-posting the item?
Hello American Way,
Is this link what you requested in your contribution #62 above? It links to contribution #813 by roofy9987 in the thread ‘Male Teachers Punishing Girls’. A thread started long, long ago by Declan, a fellow member of the Nottinghamshire Community which once upon a time played a proud role in the annuls of this estimable Forum alongside the PhD Community and the PhD Table Community and all the other Communities then extant! ????
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Unread postMar 09, 2020#64
That links it to the proper entry. Without pointing fingers it is safe to say that it will serve all of us in good stead if we all take a deep breath and redouble our efforts to disagree agreeably.
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#65
considering paddling on a students clothed posterior a form of sexual assault is hardly ludicrous. to intentionally touch a person on their bottom without their consent will get you charged with a sexual assault or sexual battery charge in most parts of the world and certainly in the united states. making this general rule not apply to school children when they are assaulted by school personnel is what is ludicrous… the fact that certain parts of this country are so backward that their legally protect this form of pedophilic abuse is a terrible shame on this nation … the only place where texas rules is the pedo throne of chimo island.
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#66
Thanks American Way for your conciliatory and positive posts! Everyone has their own writing style. Another_Lurker prefers verbose, and that’s just fine. No need to
apologize for distinctive grammar! Sadly, Another Lurker never apologized for effectively calling me a liar and accusing me of posting fake information and photographs. For him to do so would be a small gesture of respect and encourage more posts. That way we can all discover something!
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#67
DMP, I respect your right to an opinion, but to suggest that corporal punishment of a student that is authorized by parents is “paedophiliac abuse” is totally off the map. I think you need to check the definition of the word you used dude! WOW!
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#68
parents authorize or at least allow all sorts of pedophilic abuse of their children… parental consent is not part of the definition of what is or is not child sexual abuse… or at least it shouldn’t be… oh its not rape officer i have a permission slip from their parents… how sick is that.
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#69
Hello Texasrules,
The fact that you use the word ‘effectively’ is sufficient to demonstrate that I haven’t done what you accuse me of and expect me to apologise for. If I really had called you a liar there would be no doubt about the matter and trust me you certainly wouldn’t be describing it as ‘effectively’!
What I have done is to question you fairly hard about some points in your posts. In view of the fact that you apparently find that unacceptable out of consideration for other users I have undertaken not to do so again. I have also pointed out to you that you are free to avoid seeing my posts if you so wish. As far as I’m concerned that’s the end of the matter.
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#70
Does anyone else wonder why DMP is a member of this forum?
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#71
Hello Another_Lurker, you may not have used the word “liar” but you instantly branded my Appling County High article about Sydney Black as semi-fiction, originating from the SGPAS site (neither claim is true) and the office paddling photograph of Erin Lamb as fake (also not true, proven by its continued existence on the lady’s Twitter timeline!) That is calling me a liar, pure and simple. I’m happy to have robust questions asked about anything I post, but to be called a liar and faker I believe deserves an apology. I see no reason to block you, as you contribute intelligently to the debate. Sometimes amazingly rudely, but intelligently nevertheless!
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#72
I would like you to proffer an apology to TexasRules for I shared his impression even after all these years. I do believe in apologies but a half ass apology is worse than no apology.
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#73
TexasRules, The AskFM account would make it seem that 15 swats was not all that unusual. It was not the first time she had swats for she weighed in about degree of severity.
Could you help me access the Twitter account?
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Unread postMar 10, 2020#74
Hello American Way,
I really don’t want to prolong this any further but out of my respect for you I shall do so. My impression is that Texasrules is a pleasant and well-intentioned contributor who is unused to argument, challenge or discussion on what they say. There may be cultural reasons for that. As a close relative who has travelled extensively in the US over many years often points out to me, in parts of the US you don’t argue with people, it might get you shot. Where I come from argument, challenge or discussion is most unlikely to get you shot and, at least in the circles I move in, we do a great deal of it.
If Texasrules will be kind enough to point me to a post by me where I have said that one of their contributions is a lie or that the alleged picture of Erin Lamb being paddled is definitely a fake then I shall be happy to apologise for that post. What I am not going to do is apologise for questioning and challenging points in Texasrules’s contributions, or indeed in contributions from anyone else. Sorry, but that’s how it is.
I have said that since Texasrules finds my approach objectionable I will refrain from commenting on future contributions they may make unless they are clearly wrong, which I think is probably unlikely. If despite that Texasrules continues to withhold the re-posting you would like to see that is down to Texasrules and not to me.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#75
this is the internet, where shockingly people are often not truthful, not civil and not what they seem. if someone engages in an activity and morally dubious as creating faux newletters about actual children being corporeally punished for the titillation of others is so sensitive to criticism that they whine for weeks on a semi moribund forum because their veracity was questioned and their feels hurt perhaps they have chosen the wrong hobby… or perhaps it is a hobby they should keep entirely to themselves. otherwise perhaps they should consider putting on the big boy pants and not taking their toys and going home at the first sign of critique of their work.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#76
TexasRules I have searched her twitter account but alas it doesn’t go all the way back.
I have never seen anyone treated like you nor should anyone expect one to post when treated so shabbily.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#77
It will be harder to find it on Erin’s account because she did not post the image originally. She replied to her friend Cass (@kick_cass) who posted it on November 29th, 2012. Included is a screenshot which can easily be replicated by using Twitter’s Advanced Search feature.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#78
Here is Erin’s reply.
I would like to say that I appreciate this contribution and do hope that Texasrules has not been detoured from future contributions.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#79
Thanks. Great image.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A852mcnCQAE … me=900×900
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#80
Still waiting for Another_Lurker to call it out as a fake LOL! That was the photo and tweet used in the article I posted on Appling County HS, that A_L decided had been posed and wasn’t realistic due to the angle of the paddle and the fact the student was only leaning on the credenza, not bending over it. That’s how the principal gives a paddling at Appling! Ah well. Another_Lurker clearly knows better!
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#81
What are paddle worthy offenses? In Appling County High School it doesn’t take long to reach the threshold of five lunch detentions. 15 swat paddling are rather routine events. Perhaps that is why it is the 11th most attractive school system out of 185 in the state preferred to work. Dr Starr disciplinary regime means there is no police needed inside that school!
Perhaps this orderliness is why teachers prefer to work in Baxley, Georgia. Also, every other form of discipline, other than corporal punishment, is recorded in the disciplinary report that often accompanies college applications. However painful and humiliating a spanking may be the alternatives are even less desirable. Maybe that’s why parents don’t object to have their youngsters paddled.
No no one knows for sure whether without such a strict regime it would be 11th most attractive school for teachers to teach among the 185 in the state of Georgia. If ain’t broke……and as I have written often, “sometimes you have to break a few eggs (students with willful defiance behavior bottoms) to make an omelette.”
Appling County High Scool has no reason to hang its head. As in Enterprise the school received rave reviews from those that would know best.
https://www.niche.com/k12/d/appling-cou … a/reviews/
https://images.pcmac.org/SiSFiles/Schoo … c295380260
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#82
Hello holyfamilypengin! Is there a way for you and I to communicate outside of this public forum, private messages seems to be disabled?
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#83
Tardies were, and still are, the most common offenses leading to licks at Appling High. Late to school or to class gets students a writeup to the office
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#84
devil’s advocate
noun
a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments.
“the interviewer will need to play devil’s advocate, to put the other side’s case forward”
historical
a person appointed by the Roman Catholic Church to challenge a proposed beatification or canonization, or the verification of a miracle.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#85
It is complicated and hard to explain why not.
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#86
Hello Texasrules,
Keep attacking me and all the bets are off.
Texasrules wrote:
That was the photo and tweet used in the article I posted on Appling County HS, that A_L decided had been posed and wasn’t realistic due to the angle of the paddle and the fact the student was only leaning on the credenza, not bending over it. That’s how the principal gives a paddling at Appling! Ah well. Another_Lurker clearly knows better!
I’ve no idea how the Principal gives paddlings at Appling, and I don’t particularly care. Any misconceptions I might have about the matter arise from your so-called ‘Newsletter’ where you said the recipient bent over, hands on the credenza. What’s that? I shouldn’t have assumed the ‘Newsletter’ was an accurate account of events? I’m deeply, deeply shocked! ????
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#87
http://richardwindsor.com/wp-content/up … spring.jpg
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Unread postMar 11, 2020#88
Reeds Spring High School Class of 1979. There were a lot more schools than now that paddle in Missouri. One thing the cache attested to was that there were multiple positions were told to assume. Right from his almost the get go TexasRules he made it clear it was not a newsletter issued by the school. It was reminiscent of the faux newspapers A_L so expertly did in his milestone posts.
https://images.classmates.com/yearbooks … 5/0090.jpg
http://richardwindsor.com/wp-content/up … spring.jpg
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Unread postMar 12, 2020#89
Hello Another_Lurker, I’m sure you’ll agree that ‘bending over’ can be at any angle, from a student placing their hands on a credenza or desk (as at Appling HS) all the way to bending over to hold their ankles. It’s a question of degree, or angle. It may not fit with your concept of ‘bending over’, as you so eloquently described.
First forget that credenza (sideboard to us Brits). The one in the picture is far too high and pushed up against the wall like that it won’t permit effective bending over. Instead make ’em assume the brace position, hands flat on the wall, outstretched arms and back parallel to the floor, feet shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent and bottom pushed well out.
BTW, I most certainly wasn’t attacking you, I have too much respect for your contributions. It was a joke, referring to your wholesale destruction of the tweeted photograph of Erin Lamb, since found online and posted on this thread by lacoue – many thanks for that! As I’ve already explained, the article was written for another group as one of a series of newsletters about different schools. I should perhaps have called it a Report instead, to avoid you claiming that it was an attempt to pass the article off as an official
‘newsletter’ from the school – which it isn’t.
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Unread postMar 12, 2020#90
It was incredibly obvious that it wasn’t some kind of “official newsletter”. If someone thought that was the case I think bedrest may be in order.
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Unread postMar 12, 2020#91
Hello Texasrules,
Hmm, Proverbs 15:1 eh!
Touché! Your point I think! ???? And you had anyway said earlier in the thread that you had exercised some reasonable journalistic speculation to fill in the detail of what happened in the office when the student was paddled. Perhaps a necessary expedient in the context unless you’ve personal experience or a blow by blow account of that Principal’s MO, so I I wasn’t on very safe ground anyway. My apologies. Instant rage followed by shooting from the hip isn’t a good idea.
I don’t think that I committed “wholesale destruction” of the Erin Lamb picture. I believe that I said that I could see no sign that it had been tampered with (perhaps artificially produced would have been a better way to put that) but that it could have been posed. Both expedients have been used in the past to produce pictures which were widely accepted as pictures of real SCP.
Sometime ago I was very happy to be able to demonstrate here that a picture supposedly showing the hallway paddling of a girl by a male teacher, and which had found its way into various US anti-SCP sites and literature, was a cut and paste job using some manipulation of figures lifted from a picture put out by an ‘adult’ spanking site, where their location was nothing like a school hallway.
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Unread postMar 12, 2020#92
Hello lacoue,
lacoue wrote:
It was incredibly obvious that it wasn’t some kind of “official newsletter”. If someone thought that was the case I think bedrest may be in order.
I suggest that you consult my post here.
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Unread postMar 18, 2020#93
Gary Smith is paddling girls a dozen years younger and gleeing in their agony.
Power to the Paddle.
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19781110. … ts——-1
Kind of of takes your appetite away.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht … ce=sh/x/im
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Unread postApr 12, 2020#94
Multiple day paddlings happen frequently in some schools. Why? At Appling County High in Georgia you wouldn’t have so many spankings with so few students spanked.
I don’t know why the government spends this money tracking these things?
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 0006000010
This dialogue makes sense and explains why there were so many instances.
Ergo, a good percentage of the third 30 girls would probably find themselves being spanked on multiple occasions.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=235 … 8&pid=2555
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=235 … 8&pid=2342
Here is the verbatim.
Think I got it. Yours is way worse than our options! So they give you 5 days of lunch detention when you reach a certain number of tardies and you can trade those for 3 licks a day? So 15 licks in a week or less if you go for 5. They do it on successive days or spread it out? Sounds well harsh!
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Lol dude it’s paddlings I don’t freakin know!
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What got you 5 instead of 3 licks, that’s what I don’t understand. Seems kinda random!
over 1 year ago
Ok, when i got wrote up i would have 5 days of paddlings. One day = 3 licks… If I got 5 licks in one day that would count for two days.
I don’t get it. We had like 5 free tardies before we got in trouble. You got a lunch detention or licks for every tardy? And why 5 licks? That’s harsh! You deserved a break girl.
over 1 year ago
I always got licks.. It wasn’t that bad.
This is just on of the thirty girls perhaps being paddled on many occasions. The above dialogue was not taken from her site but by a fellow student
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Unread postApr 12, 2020#95
3 licks on 5 successive days must have been something of an ordeal. I imagine her bottom would still have been rather sore from the previous day and so having to present it for further swats must have been somewhat demoralising. Knowing the previous evening that the following day you were going to be whacked surely made concentration difficult.
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Unread postApr 12, 2020#96
These paddling are not meant to hurt or why bother? Teachers (they wouldn’t opt out for their own) so they don’t hit youngsters in school any differently than they hit theirs own at home. Bad news for them with social distancing they will have to use canoe paddles. Ouch.
Morgan would have a lot more chance of being paddled in Ozona, TX than Eldorado.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … rhe18x.jpg
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 1569001132
11 of the 100 girls and 20 of the 100 boys.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=250 … 8&pid=2342
Since there is only one girl named Megan Espinosa is an Eldorado High School Texas graduate. It shouldn’t be surprising that with about ninety boy and ninety girls that two females and no males were paddled. Cellphone or tardy violations are just as like to occur by either gender.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … ho9kl8.jpg
Spanking a student (especially female) isn’t an every day event so it must make for a banner day for their fed up teachers, coaches or administrators. How many will be sharing fond memories with their teachers and students at their every five year alumni gathering. I’m sure Renee and TWP would be telling us about their hugs and kisses of gratitude for their solicitude.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=512 … 8&pid=2342
ASIAN STUDENTS 2 in 9th and 1 in 12th.
This school uses corporal punishment to discipline students Corporal punishment refers to paddling, spanking, or other forms of physical punishment imposed on a child. Instances of corporal punishment (Students without disabilities): 1 Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 2 (all female) Asian: 2 Instances of corporal punishment (Students with disabilities): 1
http://www.city-data.com/school/eldorad … ol-tx.html
Day one they’re told to read the handbook so any claim of ignorance doesn’t serve their best self interest.
https://4.files.edl.io/5c42/02/27/20/15 … 1440f0.pdf
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Unread postApr 13, 2020#97
Hello American Way,
With regard to the administration of SCP under the provisions necessitated by the CORVID-19 problem you wrote above:
Bad news for them with social distancing they will have to use canoe paddles. Ouch.
An expedient very similar to this was much favoured in ye olden times in China and the Korean peninsular. It is often seen in films from those countries depicting the relevant era, many clips from which have featured here in the past. I have some misgivings about this as an educational practice in SCP today! As I wrote here back in 2011:
The majority of the clips depict elaborate costume dramas in which attractive young women and/or elderly males are made to lie prostrate to be beaten on the buttocks by men in funny hats wielding paddles clearly purchased from members of the losing crew in the ‘varsity boat race in exchange for beer money to drown their sorrows. The convention seems to be that the elderly males almost always have their buttocks bared for this process, whereas the attractive young women are invariably spared this indignity. Rampant sexual discrimination in my opinion, and a clear warning to Another_Lurker to keep well clear of Chinese and Korean film studios!
To borrow a phrase once much favoured by our excellent Forum Management, the adoption of historic Sino-Korean paddling practices could well lead to problems that I prefer we should all be spared. Especially me, if that initiation into the Pantheon Of Those With The Courage To Submit that you envisaged in the latter part of this contribution were to take place under social distancing rules! ???? I’m sure you can see the problem!
No, rather than any sort of paddle intended for the propulsion of boats, the solution to social distancing in SCP lies in the special type of cane devised by a well known figure in UK education when he was headmaster of an exclusive school for the sons of the gentry. It may be seen in action here and here. Capable of impacting up to four bottoms simultaneously it will readily lend itself to dealing with only one while maintaining the required social distancing separation between caner and caned. And with the famed penetrative punitive powers of the cane there will be absolutely no need for enforced baring of the target area, for elderly males or anyone else!
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Unread postApr 14, 2020#98
Sydney Black may have factor this in when choosing corporal punishment. Most of the students that are paddled are good students. Are they bargaining for corporal punishment because they don’t want their grades to drop? Are they afraid their transcripts will reflect disciplinary issues that may negatively impact them they graduate? Some of their happiest moments are when they are with their peers learning social skills through extracurricular activities.
Guidance Counselors don’t recommend students to apply to colleges that they are likely to lose their application fees with nothing to show. She was among the two thirds that were accepted. Dazzling extracurricular and breath taking letters of recommendation do matter in a competitive school.
You can achieve a high SAT/ACT score, the rest of your application essentially doesn’t matter. You still need to meet the rest of the application requirements, and your GPA shouldn’t be too far off from the school average of 3.36. But you won’t need dazzling extracurriculars and breathtaking letters of recommendation to get in. You can get in based on the merits of your score alone.
https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colle … quirements
Sydney Black is a prime example. Are tardies such heinous offenses that they deserved multiple days of spankings like Erin Lamb in that picture deserved. Certain workouts are meant to be done as a maximum down every other day. A spanking a day may not keep the doctor away. Five swats per week sounds safer.
https://m.facebook.com/sydney.black.100
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Unread postApr 14, 2020#99
Can anyone throw some light on what this means in 2015holyfamilypenguin’s post?
Certain workouts are meant to be done as a maximum down every other day.
Paddlings don’t figure in academic assessments of a student’s progress. Consistent suspensions may be noted, however, as a student is missing classes and that could affect their GPA. Paddling is an option provided to students at Appling County High in Georgia (and numerous other schools) instead of detention, Saturday school or in-school suspension. Keeps students in class, doesn’t affect their grades, and is arguably an effective and fair punishment.
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Unread postApr 15, 2020#100
Hello Texasrules,
Good to see you back after an absence of a month or so.
We don’t normally query American way’s very occasional surreal statements. He is the Forum equivalent of what we Brits term a ‘National Treasure’ and has long enjoyed a special status in respect of such pronouncements. ????
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Unread postApr 15, 2020#101
College athletes know why certain exercises can be done every day and others not. They also know what it is to assume the position where the flesh is taught and the muscles are at the surface as a pledge is paddled. A stretch muscle may need as much rest as a bruised one.
TexasRules are always look forward to your postings.
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Unread postMay 16, 2020#102
Dr Gene Starr wrote or approved more reasons for “disciplinary interventions” than any school in the USA. In fact, I defy (damn the defiant) to find a student hand book that has 11 pages at the end (pages 40 to 51) offenses he consider meriting a spanking. Yes, even the cleverest Beaver would find it nigh near impossible to navigate these land mines for four years and not be subject to a “disciplinary intervention.” Multiple days of paddling could be more the rule than the exception for those that prefer discomfort over deprivations.
Dr Starr may be enabling these innocent young ladies to achieve their fondest desires.
Good behavior is worth any amount of discomfort. Maybe not?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DLKTw6DDKIY/ … +licks.JPG
Student Handbook.
https://www.appling.k12.ga.us/files/use … __2020.pdf
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Unread postMay 16, 2020#103
Hello American Way,
ACHS appears to have a quite formidable reputation for corporal punishment. Is this not the school where tardies are supposed to possibly earn up to 3 swats per day for several successive days and where young ladies documented here have claimed to have incurred just such a penalty?
I wonder therefore why in the 2019 – 2020 Student Handbook you link ( the latest available according to the school’s current publications page there are only three mentions of ‘corporal punishment’ (the term which seems to be used rather than ‘paddle’, ‘swats’, ‘licks’ etc.).
The first mention of corporal punishment says that it may be used, apparently by teachers rather than after referral to the administration, though this implication may be just poor textual structure. There is no specific mention of what it may be used for.
The second mention says that corporal punishment will not be used if it proves ineffective for a particular student.
The third mention says that corporal punishment is specifically excluded for a first tardy offence.
I can find no reference to corporal punishment as an alternative to the various flavours of detention or to ISS or to OSS.
What are we to make of this? Is Dr Starr no longer swinging the paddle? Are you being fair and up to date in saying that the long list of disciplinary offences on pages 40 – 51 of the current handbook are offences which Dr Starr considers paddle-worthy? The evidence would seem to be to the contrary.
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Unread postMay 16, 2020#104
Two assumptions on my part are he became principal in 2012 and the 2013/2014 handbook so is Dr Starr’s creation. The graphic of the sleeping boy and the rifle (not BTW an AK 47) are not found in the most recent handbook. Under weapons I learned that a nun chuck is not an incoming eraser. Also, with the highest per capita paddling rate in the state the “swap swat” option would almost certainly apply across the board for limited to those mentioned offenses it would be unlikely to tally.
Starr must have determined spanking as a safe and effective means of curbing Sydney Black, Erin Lamb and as well the Asiatic young lady’s misbehavior mentioned from your least favorite source that faced a multiple day spanking. With a faculty Appling County High size how much imput did they have since the priorly posted student handbook? Were they too under qualified or too timid to question Dr Starr’s as mere lay people.
https://images.pcmac.org/SiSFiles/Schoo … 3-2014.doc
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#105
Here is what my reasonable surmise is based upon. Why would he allow one offense to have a “swat swap” option and not another? It is hard to think of that not occurring with this many incidences. Scroll down a bit and you will find IMHO a credible exchange that most not familiar with Appling would find incredible. Boys are paddled more often than girls not because they’re more likely to be tardy but for many more reasons besides.
https://ask.fm/SydneyBlack13
110 students.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 0006000010
281 attempts at bending over. Maybe he makes them started counting from the beginning and that counts for two incidents. If each student got a M W F spanking that would amount to 330 but I’m sure the majority of offenses are disposed of with one paddling.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=235 … 8&pid=2555
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#106
Hello American Way,
Yes indeed, but 2013 – 2014 was then, and the 2019 – 2020 handbook is as now as it apparently gets at ACHS.
Since in the 2019 – 2020 handbook the section headed ‘corporal Punishment’ present in the 2013 – 2014 handbook has been dropped completely and there is no mention whatsoever of corporal punishment except in the rather limited contexts I quoted in post #103 do you not think there is a strong possibility that the school has largely abandoned SCP? When will OCR stats for 2019 – 2020 be available please?
The 2013 – 2014 handbook is in fact a rather amateurish production. Its little inserted pictures and publication as a .doc file rather than as a PDF like the current issue are most unprofessional. Someone has obviously been sorting out problems at the school, presumably Dr Starr, and possibly that sorting out has included a move towards limiting or abandoning SCP.
I greatly enjoyed the ‘a nunchuck is not an incoming Sister of No Mercy launched eraser’ bit!
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#107
Hello American Way again,
Sorry, I hadn’t seen your contribution #105 when I posted #106.
However I think my observations in #103 still hold. I am talking about what it says in the 2019 – 2020 ACHS Student Handbook.
In your contribution #105 the Ask.FM page linked contains data from dates between 10 July and 18 July 2013, the OCR stats are from 2015 and the ProPublica data is from October 2018.
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#108
The Propublica data is taken from the 2015 OCR report. I don’t think it is fair to speculate that the swap swat option has been abandoned without fresher data. There are unwritten rules that are inertial.
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#109
Assuming a swap swat option (you cannot hold someone down that resist corporal punishment) the girls may be a little more paddle shy. Why 110 boys were suspended once or more while 80 girls were suspended?
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=235 … 8&pid=2343
Compare that to the 80 boys and 32 girls spanked that is a closer percentage. Maybe the girls aren’t as keen on being spanked? The teacher could also be as reticent to assign them swats.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=235 … 8&pid=2342
Perhaps some of those girls may not feel like they belong unless they are paddled at least once. Peer pressure is at its peak during the teen years. Perhaps that’s why after three years without corporal punishment some can paraphrase Dean Martin, “you’re nobody until somebody swats you.” Muleshoe TX doesn’t record paddling their students but a lot of them say they do including Baylee Ruthhardt that just had to have it before she graduated. She was cruising for a bruising.
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#110
As a long-distance observer of the US situation, from the other side of the ocean, I do have a couple of observations/questions – prompted by these recent posts.
– Discussions seem to be based largely on quite old figures – from 2015 or often quite a lot earlier. Why do official statistics lag so far behind? And how much has the picture changed in, say, the last five years?
– Do official statistics give a true picture. For example, do some classroom punishments stay under the radar. Way back in the UK, it used to be said that in many schools, official punishment books recorded somewhere between a quarter and a tenth of the corporal punishment actually dished out. (Why else would the slipper be almost totally absent from punishment books when it was probably the most used implement?)
– Are some schools in the US editing their official handbooks to elide the references to paddling? It’s a sensitive and controversial issue, and news media are always gleeful in highlighting it. Why be over-specific in your documentation, if you can keep it cryptic?
– All the published data is on public (ie state) schools. How strong / prevalent is corporal punishment in US private schools?
On these last two points: although my direct knowledge of US education is slight, I do have one set of family friends – now into a third generation – in South Carolina. They are white, comfortable if not affluent, not redneck, Bible-believing although not Bible-bashing, really nice people. The first of those generations lodged with my wife’s family as an exchange student, many years (decades!) ago. Various family members stop over with us almost annually – we are conveniently close to an airport! The current youngsters attend a private school, strongly Christian – the parents like it, I suspect, more for its overall ethos and standards of care and education, more than for its theology! Their children have, to my certain knowledge, been paddled there – I don’t know forensic details but it’s with full parental support. Until a year or so ago, its school handbook (I have a copy) used to specify “spanking” as a disciplinary option. Its most recent handbook does not mention paddling – although it is definitely still in use. Is it a trend among school authorities?
Sorry, a lot of questions. I defer to our US contributors.
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#111
Oops, correction to above. My other half tells me they’re in North Carolina, not South. I did say my US knowledge is slight…..
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Unread postMay 17, 2020#112
I agree that the delay is unprecedented. The precipitous drop from year to year in a demographically changing state like Florida is astounding. Where there are stable demographics such as West Texas and in less densely populated in less than a handful states in the south corporal punishment is declining at a much slower rate. My sense is that when the 2017 figures are finally released there will be a great decline. Yes, public school figures are unreliable especially in smaller districts such as Mulshoe, Texas.
I concur there has been less mentioning of swats in handbooks since words like “tools” and “ladders” have entered the vocabulary but the discretionary powers of the principals when referrals are mention make it difficult to quantify the incidences of corporal punishment. The good news is that starting in 2015 incidences are reported. By looking at the breakdown of percentages by gender in the bar graphs you get an idea of how many are paddled.
Spare the rod and spare the rod evangelical schools have never published numbers and have rarely shared matrices. Some handbooks on the lower grade level have their parents called in and some say fathers. They’re the ones that may be spanking their wives. I would take Catholc school over these bible based schools in a New York second.
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#113
I interviewed a Class of 2019 grad from Appling County HS in Georgia late last year.
1/ She confirmed that students are still paddled on multiple days, just as in Sydney Black’s time there (Class of 2013)
2/ Lunch detention, as listed in the Handbook, applies for most offenses
3/ Students can choose to trade a single lunch detention for 3 licks of the paddle, often administered before lunch in the principal’s office by Dr Starr, an assistant
principal or coach. There is sometimes a line of students for licks.
4/ Students can choose to trade TWO lunch detention for 5 licks of the paddle
5/ A student with 3 lunch detentions can trade them for 3 days of 3 licks (total 9), or ONE day of 5 licks and ONE day of 3 licks (total 8)
6/ A student with 5 lunch detentions can trade them for 5 days of 3 licks (total 15) or TWO days of 5 licks and ONE day of 3 licks (total 13)
7/ They are NOT allowed to trade lunch detentions for corporal punishment if the offense is being tardy to school (as noted in the handbook). They may trade licks for being tardy to class or any other offenses with lunch detention as the punishment.
8/ Students are NOT allowed to trade ISS (in school suspension) or Saturday school for a paddling. They must serve those.
9/ Teachers may paddle but no more than 3 licks at one time, although she knew of some students who got 4 or 5 licks – either boys and girls
The Handbook isn’t specific on the policy of allowing licks instead of lunch detention, but it is implied by the fact that it’s NOT allowed for being tardy to school.
A lot of information, including an actual definition of corporal punishment, is often vague in school handbooks and codes of conduct.
I confirmed with her that the policy of allowing licks for lunch detentions is still current as of February 2020. The student I interviewed preferred to choose a paddling over lunch detention. When I interviewed Sydney Black some years back, she chose the paddle regularly in her senior year as she left school at lunchtime to work at a Baxley dress store, Frills, as part of her studies. If she attended lunch detention, she’d then be late for work. She was paddled most frequently for being tardy to school. Today, students may NOT choose a paddling for that offense.
Hope that clears up any confusion. Happy to answer questions or give more information privately if anyone is interested. Email ali_riley@yahoo.com or message me on
Facebook @alison.riley.520
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#114
The only way I can understand the “discount” is that it is a favor to the spankee granted to them by their spanker for it reduces the staff’s loss of time they could be doing something more worthwhile not to mention their students’ instructional time.
There is a lot of bargaining going on between the lunch detention or licks (word often used instead of swats in Georgia but not Texas) and the choosing the number and days of licks. Only a PHD could put together such a handbook.
These young men and ladies may have developed an immunity after their first exposure with the vaccine being administered on their deserving bottoms by Dr Starr. What else could account for 110 students being paddled so often?
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I hope 5 licks is not a part Sydney Black’s afternoon internship.
What are the odds?
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The difference in time taken by principals administering punishment of 5 licks instead of 3 is a matter of seconds. A student taking 5 licks has to report fewer times to be spanked – as opposed to a student choosing 3 licks each day. So there’s a few minutes time saving there with a 5-lick punishment, I suppose! Sydney Black worked at Frills when she was at school, not the Bridal and Formals store.
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#117
Hello Texasrules,
Following your clarification of the lunch time detention : licks trade off at Appling County High School I can only say that I am amazed at the amount of corporal punishment (and presumably consequential pain) a dedicated lunch detention : licks trading student might incur for fairly trivial offences!
Infraction 1st offence 2nd offence
Verbal Abuse 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Minor Disturbance 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks 5 x 3 licks or 2 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Obscene words or Gestures 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Public display of affection 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks 5 x 3 licks or 2 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Off limits 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Forging signatures 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Lunch room misconduct 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks 5 x 3 licks or 2 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Dress code violation 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks 5 x 3 licks or 2 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Gambling 3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
Class tardies 2nd – 5th Offence
3 x 3 licks or 1 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks 6th to 8th Offence
5 x 3 licks or 2 x 5 licks and 1 x 3 licks
It certainly wouldn’t take many students opting to take the licks to produce those queues for corporal punishment that your informant mentioned!
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#118
Very good analysis table! The other point my recent interviewee mentioned is that different offenses could make the total number of lunch detentions (or licks) rack up
quickly, resulting in students being paddled every day for a week, and then 2 or 3 days the next week. This is regarded as “normal” for Appling! Paddling frequency reduced slightly when students could no longer choose licks for being tardy to school or as a substitute for in-school suspension or Saturday school. It’s worth noting that nearly ALL of Sydney Black’s paddlings back in the day were for being tardy to school – both when her mom used to drive her and when she drove herself when she got her own car.
Paddling her butt clearly didn’t improve her time-keeping, but the principals kept at it – even though the handbook says that corporal punishment will not be used if it proves ineffective on a particular student. Go figure!
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#119
There is often a line of students waiting to be paddled but, again, this is not uncommon at schools where paddling is used as a regular method of punishment
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#120
Wow. There must be a lot of sore bottoms at Appling.
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#121
I wonder if the good doctor’s office is sound proof. The coed line up might here the sounds. It may sound like a torture chamber. Dr Starr doesn’t appear to know how to paddle safely as they do in Vegas in spite of his practice. I knew the beauty pageant Sydney didn’t work at Renee’s but I couldn’t resist. Getting training during school hours is common.
Maybe that matrix could be mailed anonymously to the good doctor. It would make it clearer for the students and save the students pain and save everybody a little time. Appling seems not to be the only school judging by the Dr Patten’s trove. I was touched by Meaghan Downtown being sure not to wear makeup knowing everyone would know what happened if not allow to freshen up.
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Unread postMay 18, 2020#122
Dr Starr certainly knows what he’s doing with a paddle, administering punishments safely – and effectively. I wouldn’t trust any of the servers at the Heart Attack Grill in Las Vegas to administer a school paddling, that’s all about show over substance! He doesn’t need the matrix, he sees enough students to know repeat offenders.
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Of course the Principal’s office isn’t soundproof! The paddle hitting a student’s bottom, and any vocal reaction, can be heard in the main administration office – that I know from what students at Appling (and other schools too) have told me.
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Unread postMay 19, 2020#124
Hello Texasrules,
I like tables! At my age one has to worry about the potential effects of not exercising the brain adequately, and typing in the BBCode for tables manually certainly forces the grey matter into overdrive! ????
I note your response in your contribution #122 regarding the safety and effectiveness of Dr Starr’s paddlings. And I have to say that compared to paddlings at the Heart attack Grill I am sure Dr Starr is in a very different league. And persons of taste and refinement requiring to be paddled in the course of a restaurant visit would anyway always opt for the Hofbräuhaus!
But seriously, it would appear that a substantial number of ACHS students opt for the paddle rather serve lunch time detentions, so it really can’t be that bad. And you yourself wrote of Sydney Black’s paddlings:
Texasrules wrote: ↑May 18, 2020
Paddling her butt clearly didn’t improve her time-keeping, but the principals kept at it – even though the handbook says that corporal punishment will not be used if it proves ineffective on a particular student. Go figure!
In your interviews with Appling County High School students do you get any sort of feel for how hard paddle licks are administered there? Used hard the sort of paddle we see in the photograph of Erin Lamb’s paddling could be very painful indeed. A former contributor here claimed (and personally I believed him on that particular issue, though it was a complicated story) to have been both paddled with a wooden paddle and caned during his schooldays by persons familiar with the punitive use of the respective implements. Although he rated the cane the more painful stroke for stroke he said there wasn’t a lot in it.
A lunch time detention isn’t a lifetime. What are we talking at ACHS? Forty-five minutes? An hour? The handbook does give considerable detail on how they are conducted but fails to mention how long they are. Say an hour. If the alternative was three full force whacks with that paddle I think I’d have taken the detention, especially with the fact that lunch time detentions don’t come singly for most offences, but in groups of at least three, so multiple paddlings would be involved.
I can understand that where a financial imperative was added into the equation, as with Sydney Black’s job, the choice of licks might be a given. But for most girls, especially older girls, if the paddle was used hard I would have thought that factor, and the inevitable embarrassment involved, would have swung the balance in favour of serving the detention.
I think we can probably assume that Dr Starr doesn’t follow the sometimes quoted maxim that if SCP is to be used at all it should be used full force otherwise it does the student no favours in that it fails to impart maximum deterrence against future offending. And fair enough. That is a very harsh doctrine, however effective it may be. But are licks at ACHS anything more than a token tap to keep the books balanced?
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Unread postMay 19, 2020#125
Another_Lurker made some interesting comments and raised some questions about paddling at Appling County.
According to Sydney Black, the paddle was used reasonably hard and stings a great deal. It is certainly not used “full force”, that would be excessive. Nor does he give “token taps” – that would be utterly pointless. The force of the licks and their effect depends on a number of factors: what she was wearing that day, the mood of the principal or whoever was administering punishment that day (not anger, but perhaps irritated about another student who went in before), and whether she was paddled after a boy as she felt they swung harder after paddling a male student. Could have been speculation on her part, but interestingly the 2019 grad I interviewed made a similar comment. There is no sense from any of them that a paddling was an “easy option”, but it’s certainly not as bad if you’re used to it, as many of them were. They knew what to expect, how much it would sting and could psych up for 3 or 5 licks. Before you ask, both students I talked to said that “padding up” for licks was easily discovered and they never put on extra layers – or additional punishment would be given.
Lunch is taken at different times for different classes. It lasts 25 minutes and that’s the length of time for lunch detention – with 5 minutes to get from class to lunch detention and another 5 after lunch detention to get to the next class. Lunch detention is held in silence, doing school work with a bag lunch. It is dull. Sydney said on AskFM (link
below) when she answered random questions that she never chose lunch detention. For her, as she went to work at lunchtime her senior year, taking a paddling was the preferred option for obvious reasons.
There is little “embarrassment”, according to both students I talked to, as it’s a routine matter and dealt with quite switly. It’s regarded as quite normal to report to the office for a paddling – not a big deal. But it certainly hurts, they both confirmed that fact.
Ask FM answers by Sydney Black from Appling County HS, Georgia in 2012-13
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Unread postMay 20, 2020#126
Hello Texasrules,
And thank you. A most comprehensive response to my queries.
At my age I am never going to understand the sort of interchanges which take place on FM Answers! It’s a very long time since I was young and it was a totally different world then. For the record I don’t understand the point of Twitter either, and I find Facebook an alien and weird environment, quite apart from it’s dreadful privacy implications. So I’ll pass on the FM Answers bit!
But I have to say I find it pretty difficult to comprehend just the school bit! This is a 17/18 year old girl. A young woman really. And yet for the sake of not having to sit in a detention room for 25 minutes she opts instead to attend the admin office and possibly queue up with other students awaiting corporal punishment. When her turn comes she enters the Principal’s office and after an admittedly probably very brief discussion and reprimand willingly submits to assuming a posture which presents her bottom well for the paddle licks.
Not a very onerous posture in this case admittedly. No toe touching or back parallel to the floor, outstretched hands on the wall, knees slightly bent and bottom pushed well out brace position. But nonetheless a posture outwith her control and dictated by the male who is to paddle her. A man who then proceeds to hit her bottom 3 or 5 times with what is essentially a small wooden plank specially shaped to be easy and convenient to inflict pain with. The blows each sting considerably and depending on various factors, most of them outside her control, can sometimes be rather more painful than usual. And the whole performance is witnessed by another person, possibly another man.
Further, Ms Black isn’t alone in this folly. Other young women, before, during, and after her time at the school, have taken exactly the same option! Now I know that the perception of time differs with age, accelerating as the years pass by. At my age 25 minutes is a snap of the fingers, passing so quickly that it hardly registers. But even at age 17 or 18 with the perceptions of youth, 25 minutes isn’t that long! Sit down at the desk, open a text book, eat a bit of your packed lunch and it’s all over and you’re free again.
Can 25 minutes in detention possibly be worse than the alternative? Well not to me it can’t, but I’m not a 21st century All-American late teenage girl. And anyway if everyone was like me we wouldn’t have a School Corporal Punishment Forum! A smacked leg and a light slippering in a school career in an era when SCP reigned supreme and virtually everybody got whacked probably means I’m never going to understand Sydney Black and her ilk.
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Unread postMay 20, 2020#127
Yes, it must seem strange to those whose only experience of school corporal punishment was so many years ago. The idea of a mature female student choosing to be
paddled instead of serving lunch detention (or ISS in some schools where CP is permitted as a substitute) must seem strange. From their point of view, dumbasses sit in
detention and they prefer to spend lunch with their friends, even if it requires a swiftly administered spanking. From Sydney Black’s perspective, she had to go to work, so a paddling was the only way to avoid lunch detention. There was one other way, of course: arrive at school on time!
Point of detail: your bent over position is unsafe. Touching toes or grabbing ankles is used rarely in US schools, though not unknown. Leaning or bent over a desk or chair is preferred, and a more stable position. Your suggested position isn’t safe as with the knees bent it places the bone closer to the surface with less ‘cushion” – even more so than touching toes. Bent knees also runs the risk of the student “bobbing” as they anticipate the swat and the paddle hitting too high or low on the buttocks as the student moves up or down. Straight legs is safe. Hands on the wall is certainly used as a position, but rarely with the back parallel to the floor – according to students I have spoken to. Most paddlings take place in an office where a free wall is not easy to find! Hallway paddlings, while not unknown, are less frequent. Hope that helps. Current information is not easy to find, but I’ve had some success!
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Unread postMay 20, 2020#128
This is what I meant by a safe and efficacious paddling when I referenced Vegas.
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To teach a lesson one swat would not suffice. She begged off so we know it didn’t tickle her fanny. I think on that we can all agree. The number of students, parents, and professionals that sign the student handbook, sign the permission form and students consenting makes me believe this is not as much ofan outlier as considering schools that don’t abide by reporting rules. One of the few male posters in the cache would make it appear that 3X3 is neither a rare policy nor an application. Also, this could explain the difference between students paddled by Propublica and incidences by OCR? It is just a reasonable surmise and far from certitude. BTW I recently posted more recent states compiled by Georgia. Students with black demographics tilt the racial disparity with blacks paddling blacks.
TWP’s (Claim/Fame) said that Nashia was fortunate not to have her basketball coach give her five swats. I am sure if she could give multiple day paddlings she would although she didn’t believe in 14-year-olds never mind high school seniors. To be fair to her (as I always am) she was dragged into it the whole affair as a designated hitter and didn’t believe tardy students should be spanked.
Maybe some of them come from a day when more than three were frequently administered for even slighter offenses? Teachers know how the youngsters behave in school and parents know better how they behave at home. The student couldn’t choose a suspension without bothering their folks and the teachers want them to be less of a nuisance. The youngsters are stuck between a rock and a hard place and often times it’s what they’re wearing. And the teachers are stuck with them when they choose paddling. Parents know what that feels like with coronavirus restrictions.
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Wilcox County High in Appling’s state paddled 95 students with 250 instances. In Ebonics among the spanked one out of four girls and two out of five boys got their butts whupped. The few black students (mostly white students tweeted) none were paddle by males and they were more likely to get more than three swats.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 0573002232
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=237 … 8&pid=2555
TexasRules, between your interviews and my stats, we make a great team.
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Unread postMay 21, 2020#131
Hello Texasrules,
With regard to your contribution #127 commenting on my post #126:
I certainly can’t disagree that touching the toes is an unsuitable posture for paddling. It was of course sometimes used for caning, but while possibly more painful a cane is a much lighter implement than a paddle and hence less likely to knock the student off their feet regardless of any pain imparted.
The “brace position” posture I described was ‘borrowed’ from the writings of Renee, our former contributor from ‘Teachers Who Paddle’. However I did omit certain important provisions Renee advocated. These were firstly that the paddler should keep the free hand in contact with the student’s lower back to detect any attempt at movement, ‘bobbing’ as you term it, and thus get instant warning of the need to abort a lick. And secondly that the paddling should be moderate. No more than a 90o swing in a strictly horizontal (parallel to the floor) plane with the top of the paddle aligned to the normal position of the top of a pair of jeans back pocket.
The reason I did not go into details was that I was not advocating those postures, I was merely using them to make the point that at least the paddling posture apparently used at ACHS was not particularly demanding or embarrassing for the student.
May I ask a question please. I appreciate that you may not wish to respond to it and shall draw absolutely no conclusions should that prove to be the case.
Have you any reason, please, to suppose that Sydney Black has seen your illustrated report on her paddlings?
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Unread postMay 21, 2020#132
Interesting point from Renee about the administrator placing their hand on the student’s lower back to anticipate any movement – but that won’t STOP them moving their hips side to side or up and down! I’ve also heard of the administrator putting a finger through the belt loop or even grabbing the center of the waistband – but neither method prevents the student moving – so what’s the point! Once the paddle is swinging, stopping it mid-swing is difficult and a mishit is likely.
As far as I’m aware, Sydney Black has not see the report – but as the information it contains is in the public domain (or on some details, journalistic speculation) I don’t
suppose she’d be worried about it. She certainly wouldn’t be impressed by the attention her paddlings have received. It’s all seven years ago, after all. I have far more recent
information from the same school, but have not shared any details here. Below is a photo of Sydney (center) with friends Kylee Johnson and Anna Hodges. Both of them were also paddled at Appling County HS
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Unread postMay 21, 2020#133
Some really enlightening comments are emerging from this thread – including two points which hark back to the dimly remembered days of school CP in Britain.
Trading “swats for in-school detention” frequently had a parallel in English schools, where pupils quite often could chalk off misdemeanours – generally at the trivial end of the scale – by taking the slipper instead of detention. It was sometimes unofficial but by no means illicit. I’m not surprised that students have no problem opting for the paddle, rather than the lunchtime incarceration. Clearly the youngsters back then – like the current students at Appling High – regarded that form of CP as smart, but acceptable and temporary, discomfort. Not that – barring an absolute social revolution – CP will ever return to UK schools, but if educators had/have genuine understanding of the young or adolescent brain, they would surely show a bit of empathy and allow the CP option?
And…. I don’t think the “brace” position was ever favoured over here – the only time I’ve ever heard BRACE BRACE is on the aircraft safety demo – but it sounds very sensible. Speaking from experience on both ends of the procedure, I always thought that touching toes simply invites the recipient to either topple over or jump up. If not a wall, then a strategically placed piece of furniture works better. I do remember being positioned over the back of a chair, hands on the seat, and being forbidden to let go!!
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Unread postMay 21, 2020#134
Many schools in the US that use corporal punishment allow students to choose a paddling instead of other punishments, including detention for a specific time period or in-school suspension, which is normally a full day. In- school suspension means missing classes, which could affect grades or performance in tests. For athletes, it can also mean missing a practice or game as students in ISS cannot participate in extra-curricular activities on the day they are suspended. Detention is lost social time with friends or, if it’s after school, the loss of extra-curricular sports and other activities
It’s a no brainer, if a student can handle the short-term pain of a paddling, to take that option. There are also many schools where the administrator or teacher will decide that a paddling is required, providing parents have signed a form consenting to corporal punishment being used. In that case, a paddling is mandatory, the student doesn’t get to choose.
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Unread postMay 21, 2020#135
Occasionally we were a choice between the slipper or detention by the PE teacher. If a boy chose detention it would be met with derision from his classmates and sometimes the miscreant would be persuaded to change his mind and to receive 2 very hard wallops across his backside protected only by a thin pair of shorts.
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Unread postMay 22, 2020#136
Hello Texasrules and pi0591,
You have both commented on the brace position for paddling, and taken an opposite view of its suitability and safety. I’ve never been paddled or caned, and my only slippering was administered with me bending over a desk. I did once find myself bending over touching my toes, knees straight, and imminently expecting whacks from my Form Master’s size 12 leather soled sandal, an implement only one boy in our class of 12 year olds had been known to survive without at least traces of a tear.
A class hero afterwards, he’d nonchalantly announced that when you were used to being caned on the bare the sandal wasn’t too bad. The boarding prep school he’d been at was a pretty tough environment. As for me, I was lucky. Abruptly and completely without explanation the Form Master aborted my punishment and sent me back to my desk. I’ve since had cause to wonder if I might have been on a no-SCP list at that school. Certainly I didn’t get any there.
The gist of all that is that I am ill-qualified to comment on postures for paddling, or indeed any other form of SCP. But in the best traditions of the Forum I shall of course do so regardless! Insofar as I can judge properly implemented and managed the brace position ought to be pretty safe. It is also I would have thought a little challenging and likely to feel fairly exposed for the student. And really if corporal punishment is to be used at all the process should be unpleasant for the student throughout its course in the hope that it doesn’t have to be used too often. Mr Masterson, who often features here as an expert on punitive paddling, quite frequently depicts paddling in quite extreme brace postures on his sites,
As noted earlier in the thread, our former contributor Renee of ‘Teachers Who Paddle’ advocated the use of the brace position except when paddling very young children, of which she anyway did not approve. Her writings on the subject are distributed over this Forum and the TWP blog, but fortunately I collected some of them together in a previous post.
We use the brace position with hands against the wall but with bending over as well. The student is slightly leaning forwards with knees bent a little. The student cannot throw hands back w/o falling forwards – that is why we almost always use this method.
I DO line up the top edge of my paddle with the top edge of the back jean’s pockets and then make sure there is about 1″ between the two edges before holding paddle back 90 degrees-But that’s it. When doing the “lining up”, my paddle barely touches the backside of the jeans, if at all. Anything more before the actual paddling is uncalled for.
TENNIS SWING: The only method endorsed by TWP, it is what it is called – a tennis racket-like swing about 90 degrees from start to impact and parallel with floor. Also, teacher should use only single handed grip of paddle with other hand on lower back of recipient. The hand on lower back will prevent an accidental blow to any area other than the intended target-the buttocks. In addition, if recipient ducks or turns, the teacher will detect that in time to stop the paddle swing and avoid an accident.
Technique must be adjusted when paddling a cheerleader. Taking the “Kaye” paddle (24″ x 4″ x 1/4″) and lining the bottom edge of the paddle with the lower edge of the uniform skirt, I held the paddle firmly in my right hand and held it back at a 90 degree angle while placing my left hand on Barbie’s lower back. Being careful not to swing too hard, I swung with mostly my right forearm, connecting with a SMACK.
Always use thinner paddles over thicker ones (1/4″ is best) AND keep wrist loose so you can flick/snap your wrist when paddle connects to bottom. A thin paddle can still be stingy w/o bruising.
A former contributor here claimed, very unusually, to have been punished with a heavy Lochgelly tawse, a US style paddle, and a cane, all while at school in England, the latter two wielded by the same American lady. Some found his accounts unlikely. Personally, because of off-Forum information, I accept at least the paddle and cane accounts. A fuller explanation is to be found in his contribution here. I am well aware that many readers do not bother to click on links. I do though commend this one for some interesting comments on the relative punitive effects of paddle and cane.
And finally, on a lighter note. The same contributor, a man of many parts, was much given to impersonating SCP administering female school staff here. His efforts included a retired hard caning Deputy Headmistress of an elite northern English girls’ grammar school and a hard paddling black female AP in a Southern US high school, though not at the same time. As regards the latter he had a visiting academic post in a southern US college and spent considerable time in the US researching the US educational system.
In the latter impersonation I thought for a time that the posts were coming from an actual female AP and as I tend to, I probed and tested them somewhat. This appeared to very much annoy the poster and I was told that if I got myself over to the US ‘she’ would be happy to give me a demonstration of what being paddled was really like. I jocularly responded that I’d be happy to take up the offer if I could be guaranteed being paddled last in line together with a group of cheerleaders.
I have to say though, looking at Texasrules’s last picture, who needed the cheerleaders with female students in jeans that tight! ???? Alas though it was anyway all a deception.
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Unread postMay 22, 2020#137
Texasrules, I did have one other question. Is it only the oldest students 18-19 who are given the paddling-or-detention option? Or is it the whole High School age range (15-19?). Or indeed, would the option ever be given to younger students in Middle/Jr High, to take swats instead of detention, or the other way round? Or do the younger ones simply get what they’re given?
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Unread postMay 22, 2020#138
Re Post #136, I think the claim of being paddled, strapped and caned all at the same school is likely to be complete fabrication!
Renee’s recommendations for paddling techniques are interesting if flawed, as her aim with the top of the paddle an inch below the top of the jeans pocket relies on the
student wearing clothes with a rear pocket (!) – and potentially it’s still too high. Look at the photo below, and that’s before she bends over! The aim should be on the center to lower part of the buttocks.
Renee’s recommendation to “flick or snap the wrist” at the end of the swing risks the paddle landing inaccurately. A smooth, even swing is all that’s required, connecting full across the lower half of both cheeks.
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Unread postMay 22, 2020#139
pi0591 #137.
High schools grades 9-12 are from ages 14-18, though a very few graduate at 19.
I have not heard of a paddling option being offered in Middle School or Junior High, but I guess it’s possible. My research has only been at the High School level.
Policy on allowing students to choose corporal punishment instead of detention, Saturday school or in-school suspension varies from district to district and even schools within the same district. From high schools where I have first-hand accounts, paddling is generally an option offered to juniors and seniors (Grades 11 & 12), although I know two Texas high schools where ALL grades have that choice. Some schools exclude
selected offenses from the corporal punishment option. For example, Appling County in Georgia used to allow students to take a paddling for being tardy to school (Sydney Black’s main offense). That policy changed two years ago and it’s the one thing they CANNOT trade for licks with a paddle! Students have to serve lunch detentions or are sent to Saturday school if they are tardy to school.
Here’s another example (below) of why Renee’s recommended aim doesn’t work and I suspect is not based on actual experience of giving a paddling. She recommends placing the top of the paddle one inch below the top of the pocket on the student’s jeans. In this photo, her aim would not connect with the fleshiest part of the buttocks and is likely instead to hit her coccyx and cause injury or serious bruising. As this student bends over, the ideal aim is actually BELOW the pocket stitching.
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Unread postMay 22, 2020#140
TexasRules I cannot agree with you more about the swing and the target. Renee of TWP never made sense though she had me fooled but ultimately I didn’t make a fool of myself. I have never been a fan of the brace position nor the Heart Attack Grill cage. Hofbrauhaus IMHO swats are safe and efficacious.
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#141
Hello Texasrules,
Texasrules wrote: ↑May 22, 2020
Re Post #136, I think the claim of being paddled, strapped and caned all at the same school is likely to be complete fabrication!
And indeed so would I had such a claim been made. But it hasn’t. Please re-read my post and the linked post therein concerning the paddling and the caning. But if, as appears to be the case, you are too busy to read linked material I can sympathise so I’ll save you that onerous task!
I wrote all while at school in England meaning during schooldays and not all while at a school in England meaning at a specific school. Just as in the US, more than one school is usually attended in the course of a school career in England. In my day, and in the day of the individual concerned, it was typically three, Infant, Junior and Secondary. In his case the tawsing was at junior school, the paddling was a domestic punishment, and the caning was at secondary school. The post I linked explains quite clearly how the latter two punishments came to be delivered by the same person.
Your jeans pictures in #138 and #139. While the first is undoubtedly illustrative of a style of jeans which would not fit Renee’s formula (in which case I’m sure she’d have made suitable adjustments) the second appears to me to be probably digitally distorted!
Renee was dealing with paddling in a middle school. She deprecated the use of corporal punishment in high school. Possibly middle school students were less likely to be wearing high fashion ultra tight jeans and the ‘pocket’ formula was more applicable.
Since you probably wouldn’t follow the links to the two posts where the animation below has already appeared I’ll put it here for you. Renee’s formula appears perfectly applicable, despite the fact that the bent over posture is even more extreme than would be produced by Renee’s brace position..
For good measure there’s a picture here showing three girls in different styles of jeans, none of which would have needed much adjustment by Renee.
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#142
Hello Texasrules again,
In support of the Renee paddling mode I really should have included the ‘hallway’ paddling picture seen below, and still found as part of campaign material on the occasional US anti-SCP site such as this one. I said here that that picture was a fake as far back as April 2010, and after a certain amount of doubt a few brave souls were kind enough to support my opinion. Curiously around that time the picture commenced a disappearing act from most anti-SCP sites.
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However I couldn’t prove it a fake in layman’s terms until 3½ years later I chanced to encounter the 2008 picture from which the figures had been taken on a commercial site here.
The important point of course is that as you will notice not only does Mr Firmhand use the Renee technique with free hand on the subject’s back, but the pocket line-up method is exactly right. ????
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#143
Without nearby furniture the brace position would be a better choice. TWP’s Renee (Claim/Fame) was spot on. I never questioned that. Pocket location is too arbitrary by the designer or by the wearer. The danger point is where the wood touches the tail bone. Nature is less arbitrary witn anatomy. Aim for below the crease. A mishit touching the thigh is a lot better than one touching the tailbone.
Some of the young ladies felt it overnight getting a gentle (I hope) reminder of the price one pays when one takes the law in their own hands. BTW I am not for multiple day paddling. It should be a applied infrequently but as unpleasantly and as safely as possible.
This Enterprise Wildcat was included was among the spanked in 2015.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … =387&h=256
Enterprise School District has an enviably low suspension rate with the least loss of instructional time and academically excels by state rank and where the number paddled and the number of instances are not all that far apart.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … ct/0101320
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 0132000476
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=273 … 8&pid=2555
A little over half of the females in the student body were spanked with not one of them mentioning man.
https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233. … 4-Copy.jpg
The sit spot highlights a hand spanking on the bare bottom. It is not a school paddling but somewhat relevant. Caveat for adult viewing.
https://redbottomrant.files.wordpress.c … o1_500.jpg
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#144
Meaghan Espinosa of El Dorado TX High School tallied up multiple tardies in the course of a year and knew she was going to be paddled for three consecutive days. She took the precaution of not wearing makeup in anticipation of her paddling as found in the cache.
If she took the precaution of not wearing makeup you would think she wouldn’t be so foolish not to take the precaution of being tardy and disrupting the leaning process seven times! It’s not like Jesus telling Peter to forgive his brother seventy times seven.
Oddly, albeit tardy seven times, she wasn’t paddle with two swats for five days but two swats for three days. Her learning process was a wake up call as it was meant to be. The students score poorly in math but that might be the fault of the teachers.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … policy.jpg
There were 16 offenses and 2 of were resolved by spanking. 4% of the county students were paddled so must of the students complied with the code of conduct. Meaghan happened not to be one of them.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 3951004492
The two that were spanked were female. Silly girls.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=512 … 8&pid=2342
Her brother played football for El Dorado that had a stricter code of conduct for its athletes.
https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/bailey … /stats.htm
http://local.scisd.net/sports/AthleticHandbook.pdf
Espinosa is one of the most common names when it is spelt with an s and not a z in the Philippines. They counted her multiple days as an instance.
Instances of corporal punishment (Students without disabilities): 1 Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 2 (all female) Asian: 2 Instances of corporal punishment (Students with disabilities): 1
http://www.city-data.com/school/eldorad … ol-tx.html
This lends credence to the multiple day paddling that do occasionally occur as found even in updated school handbooks.
Do I do my homework or not?
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#145
Very impressive analysis AMERICAN WAY Posts #143 & #144, but I still find those ocrdata pages badly laid out and sometimes confusing. The biggest anomaly is in data
collection, as I think they count multiple incidents of corporal punishment administered to a single student as ONE. A student receiving multiple paddlings would only count a single ‘1’ in the data. I may be wrong, but who knows?
As a stickler for accuracy, I’m surprised at you Another_Lurker in Post #145 defending the ambiguity of this little treasure of grammar!
I wrote “all while at school in England” meaning during schooldays and not “all while at a school in England” meaning at a specific school.
The clear implication of the former statement is that all the punishments to this mythical friend were administered while at school, There is no mention of home! Ha!!
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#146
Hello American Way,
2015holyfamilypenguin wrote: ↑May 23, 2020
Without nearby furniture the brace position would be a better choice.
With a heavy implement like a paddle, certainly better than touching the toes I’d have thought. A favourite UK punitive posture for the cane, bending over the back of a chair and grasping the seat, is mentioned by pi0591 at the end of his contribution #133 earlier in the thread That might also work fairly well for the paddle. Two chairs back to back with the student kneeling on the seat of one and bending over the backs to grasp the seat of the other would be better still, as kneeling limits the rapid evasive motion of the target end of the torso.
2015holyfamilypenguin wrote: ↑May 23, 2020
TWP’s Renee (Claim/Fame) was spot on.
It’s no good! I’ve been trying very hard not to, but I’ve got to ask; what is this (Claim/Fame) thing you’ve been appending to Renee’s name recently please?
2015holyfamilypenguin wrote: ↑May 23, 2020
Aim for below the crease. A mishit touching the thigh is a lot better than one touching the tailbone.
Hmm, not convinced on that one! The cane on the thighs, the tawse on the thighs, the martinet on the thighs, hand spanks on the thighs, embarrassingly bared in the latter two cases of course – ouch! ???? All legitimate if you’re going to have SCP at all and the recipient has been naughty enough. But the paddle on the thighs? Seems a bit dubious and not quite according to Hoyle to me!
2015holyfamilypenguin wrote: ↑May 23, 2020
BTW I am not for multiple day paddling. It should be a applied infrequently but as unpleasantly and as safely as possible.
We are absolutely of one mind on this! If SCP is to be used at all it should make the recipient think both during and for a significant time afterwards that it is so painful and/or embarrassing that they are never coming back for more, ever! Even if that sentiment fades after a few weeks the punishment will have gone some way towards achieving its only legitimate purpose, deterring repetition of the behaviour that gave rise to it.
A corporal punishment such as the multi-day one at ACHS that we are discussing here, so mild and so lacking in embarrassment that students are prepared to undergo it day after day, isn’t a legitimate corporal punishment at all. It is simply an extension of a box-ticking exercise designed to give the appearance of discipline and order when actually there isn’t any. Further, it must inevitably give rise to suspicions of ulterior motives on the part of those who allow it to be continued year after year. Given the opportunity to have attractive young ladies come meekly to my office and present their bottoms to be slapped not too hard with a paddle even I might succumb to temptation. In fact I’d jump at the chance!
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Unread postMay 23, 2020#147
Hello Texasrules,
Ah, I thought as much. You are indeed one of those persons who can’t be bothered to read links and who are thus a menace in discussions where one side tries to abide by this forum’s tradition of accurate cross-referencing.
Texasrules wrote: ↑May 23, 2020
As a stickler for accuracy, I’m surprised at you Another_Lurker in Post #145 defending the ambiguity of this little treasure of grammar!
I wrote “all while at school in England” meaning during schooldays and not “all while at a school in England” meaning at a specific school.
The clear implication of the former statement is that all the punishments to this mythical friend were administered while at school, There is no mention of home! Ha!!
If you can’t understand plain English it is scarcely my fault. Further I can find no reference that I made to a friend, mythical or otherwise. I made reference only to a former contributor here. Mythical he wasn’t, and in my case a friend he most certainly wasn’t either!
As for no mention of home, let me quote from the post you clearly didn’t bother to read but still feel justified in taking me to task over:
At home she told me not to treat her a teacher , let alone my deputy head, – her only requirement being her house : her rules. She gave me typical open Southern hospitality, and told me to treat her house as mine.
Despite not being my ‘teacher’ when at home from time to time she looked at our preparation, and would frequently tell us both, much to our chagrin , ‘ you can do much better, don’t rush, you are not trying, .or ..scrap that rubbish and start again’ !
But never mind, even if I’m finding you somewhat wanting you’ve clearly got a big fan in davenhall, who has now contributed 10 of your 13 ‘likes’. Interesting! I’ve always regarded davenhall as pretty sound but I’m now getting just a teeny, teeny, touch of those old feelings I used to get in years gone past that there might be something ever so slightly suspicious going on. Time for a bit of detailed textual analysis methinks!
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#148
TexasRules A_L is being A_L so as they say: “Don’t you go pay him no never mind.”
The claims that Renee made may have been one of the reasons as you yourself A_L said I may not stand alone in questioning her authenticity.. This isn’t my first rodeo, being on the wrong side of sixty, so I am ashamed of being fooled by the likes of her.
You were late in responding to my allegation that she was shamelessly self promoting with her claims. I always suspected her ergo she was never a serious candidate for induction but your belated response to my claim/fame addition to her name will cost you a trip to the virtual conference room. There will be no need to explain so save your vocal chords for screaming.
The TWP girls aren’t foolish enough to pick a fight with Me if they are as much as student of history they claim. It was our valor and their stupidity that sealed their fate in the Civil War. That’s what they teach in all college text books.
On another matter, unless your sadistic you don’t make the thigh the target but better south of the border than north with the tailbone so near if you err. Putting you hand on the small of the back and lining up some practice taps is a good idea. Hofbrauhaus has not change their winning formula and not had to import a cage that looks like it came from Thailand.
A Heart Attack Grill spanking.
A paddling with appropriate precautions at the Hofbrauhaus.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/ … s-the-end/
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#149
The owners of Hofbrauhaus St Pete’s also own the one in Chicago but not the one in Las Vegas.
It it was recently referred to as the home of the paddling maidens.
Here is what the site originally looked like in its glory days.
https://crowsneststpete.com/wp-content/ … Flying.jpg
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#150
This is still an interesting and enlightening thread, for which much thanks to the contributors. Texasrules in particular has given us lots of pertinent, and quite current, information. But it briefly – in a couple of posts above – veered into an apparent spat about semantics and whether “in school” actually means “in school” or “in a school” etc etc. And then thighs and backbones. Perhaps I’m a simpleton but it seemed perfectly obvious that nobody was advocating swats on thighs as such, only that it was vital to protect the base of the spine. And Texasrules, I don’t do the tradition-of-accurate-cross-referencing either. Just please keep sharing with us your findings and your on-the-spot expertise!
May we assume that it’s all simply tongue in cheek and not serious?
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#151
There is a high likelihood that spankings, in spite of TWP’s Renee (Claim/Fame) prediction, will go out like a whimper and not a bang in most schools as the professional population ages.
Most schools give instances and numbers as one as does Dumas High School TX with a little over 1,000 youngsters. It shouldn’t be a surprise that students of that age would misbehave in such a way as to deserve some disciplinary sanction. Often times the students have to sign a form attesting they have read it at the first day during their home day period so they can’t feign ignorance. They made choices that led to the consequences. So let’s not make martyrs out of them. We never here from the other side.
2013 – 2014.
Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 354 (male: 225, female: 129) Hispanic: 271 (male: 173, female: 98) American Indian / Alaska Native: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Asian: 19 (male: 14, female: 5) Black: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) White: 52 (male: 32, female: 20) Two or More Races: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Limited English Proficiency (LEP): 46 (male: 38, female: 8)
2015 – 2016.
Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 250 (male: 160, female: 90) Hispanic: 193 (male: 131, female: 62) American Indian / Alaska Native: 2 (all female) Asian: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Black: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) White: 43 (male: 23, female: 20) Two or More Races: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Limited English Proficiency (LEP): 28 (male: 17, female: 11)
For this young lady, not from Dumas, her last day ended of high school has a surprising end.
When Taylor Crawley writes two spankings she may not mean two swats though there a few handbooks that prohibit more than once. If you ask me she was settling her debt on the last day possible for her senior bunk days. Why is she acting like a prima dona? Pardon me, but what a sense of entitlement! Why do they think they’re not going to be sitting on a sore bottom during graduation exercises? She needed a reality check and she got one.
She went out with a bang and perhaps a whimper.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com … %3DApi&f=1
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#152
I wonder if he gives Dumas High School girls this lecture found in their handbook before he raises the paddle. One of the punishments for tardies was two swats. Two spankings would be four swats for Taylor on her last day of school. Her tweet is plausible.
With so few men on the faculty and well over 500 girls he would probably know some only by their face. What are the consequences when the professionals are late? Here are some faces of Dumas Demonettes that would be hard to forget unless he was distracted by their bottoms.
https://www.adairphotography.net/blog-p … otographer
https://www.adairphotography.net/blog/y … llo-texas1
One of the most important lessons one must learn in order to achieve success is to be punctual to appointments and engagements. Individuals who are consistently late are usually subject to criticism by their associates.
Failure to arrive at one’s destination on time is an indication of carelessness, poor preparation, and lack of concern. This frequently leads to a feeling of distrust among those with whom the individual must associate. If one does not assume the responsibility for being punctual, he is, in effect, expressing a lack of respect for those who are left waiting for him.
Punctuality is not difficult for one to achieve, as it merely requires personal organization, and soon becomes habitual if one expends sufficient effort in that direction. Those who fail to develop such a habit are expressing an attitude, which may very well carry over into other endeavors.
The public school not only must concern themselves with developing the intellectual abilities of students, but they must also assume the responsibility for assisting parents in the proper development of the student’s traits and habits which will have a direct effect on the future success of these young people. Developing the habit of punctuality is certainly of the most important of these responsibilities.
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Unread postMay 24, 2020#153
Right off topic I fear, but in view of American Way’s final two links in his contribution #152 can anyone explain to me why pretty girls would allow themselves to be photographed in jeans with worn out knees? It is to be hoped that the seats of said jeans aren’t nearly as threadbare or being paddled in them wouldn’t be a good idea! ????
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Unread postMay 25, 2020#154
Eldorado as recently as a few years back had 30 out of the 150 students in their small school paddled. There were two Asian students in the school that year but they weren’t paddled. Asian students are often the best behaved and least paddled and young ladies are paddle less often than males. 2015 was a real outlier.
Here are the Lady Eagles when they’re behaving at their best.
https://www.scisd.net/cms/lib/TX0221533 … 0603049882
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Unread postMay 26, 2020#155
I have concerns about recent past events in this thread. Texasrules and I seem fated to rub one another up the wrong way and I really wish this didn’t happen, because each time we have a spat Texasrules disappears for a time. That is a pity because he is an interesting contributor and various people, including me most of the time, enjoy his posts.
Save for one aspect, which I’ll come to, this is not an apology for the most recent events. I am afraid that if someone attacks one of my posts as fiction and accuses me of having said something I didn’t say and not having said something that was absolutely clear in a link they haven’t bothered to read I am always going to react. But as I say, I really wish the circumstances didn’t arise.
I do need to apologise for one thing. The comment about Texasrules’ likes. That was a heat of the moment thing and I apologise to both Texasrules and to Davenhall for it.
I shall try to avoid this thread as far as I can and I hope that Texasrules will return to it soon. If so he will I am sure find an appreciative audience.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#156
Honestly I wish that you would avoid it. Your contributions are minimal in this thread and your eternal skepticism towards contributions has grown tiresome. I feel like you could be called in to witness a US paddling and still not believe that it actually happened.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#157
Well thanks lacoue. I had noted how comprehensive and useful your contributions are given that two out of the four are just moans about me. And 4 contributions in 4 months ain’t going to do much to sustain the Forum anyway. Come back and moan when you’ve got some mileage under your belt!
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#158
I once had a particularly – and chronically – truculent student who would never be pacified and never found wrong, and colleagues were at wit’s end with him. Conversation, and attempt at conciliation:
“The problem teachers have with you, James, is that you always answer back.”
“No I don’t.”
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#159
A_L will you please re-read post #147 and think about if you had another opportunity to express your displeasure whether you would have chosen other words. I have seen you at your best and post #147 is far from that. Be better. American Way
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#160
Hello American Way,
2015holyfamilypenguin wrote: ↑May 27, 2020
A_L will you please re-read post #147 and think about if you had another opportunity to express your displeasure whether you would have chosen other words.
No!
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#161
NEVER RETREAT NEVER SURRENDER…okay their may be some martial virtues in the struggle for truth, justice and… other stuff
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#162
Hello dane,
As Sir Colin Campbell said to his troops at the battle of Balaclava, “There is no retreat from here men, you must die where you stand!”.
Some of them did, but their sacrifice and the efforts of their comrades repulsed the Russian cavalry, saved Balaclava, and gave rise to the term ‘The thin red line’.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#163
I don’t relish rudeness. To be honest, A_L_ and his imperious, disbelieving, sometimes cynical tone gets a little wearing. Then I think, I really can’t be asked. I’m sorry I didn’t
follow his “tradition” of assiduously checking all cross references on old posts, but it’s not worth getting upset about. I’m sure he doesn’t mean to be rude and I for one
appreciate his contributions and – am I really saying this! – recent apology. Gracefully accepted. Now moving on, in a socially distanced way…
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#164
One thing I should clear up. Some assume that Texas Rules is a male. Incorrect. I am female, mid-30s and pretty sure I’ve been female all my life. I’ll check again some time.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#165
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
I tend not to read tit-for-tat arguments such as the above so may well have got things wrong. My understanding is that new contributor Texas Rules offered an illustrated report on contemporary or recent school CP which included images of girls being paddled. Another Lurker, a frequent and long standing contributor to this forum, expressed some reservations about certain aspects of the illustrated report. After a short exchange, Texas Rules deleted his report. Since, the two have engaged in a battle of words with contributions from others.
Is the above a fair summary of the state of things?
What is the way ahead? Should the battle be to the death, as at Balaclava, or will the retreat of one of the parties suffice? Or maybe a truce, and an agreement to disagree?
One of the problems I have is the non-availability of the illustrated report. It is hard to know what is being debated. I give no credence to rumours that copies of the report are circulating although it is possible.
I am in no doubt that high school age girls are paddled at school in certain rural areas in the US South and that some of the CP policies are, to put it politely, questionable. I am aware of fetish interests.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#166
Thanks for such a gracious acceptance of the “apology-ish”, Texasrules. Unfortunately, this forum seems to be – de facto if not by original design – effectively the fiefdom of one particular contributor, to whom I honestly wish no ill, but I may not be the only member wary of the “pounce”. Otherwise I would have been a more regular contributor.
Do please keep up your informative – and perfectly courteous – posts. And incidentally yes, I did know that you are female; I think you mentioned it a few posts back.
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Unread postMay 27, 2020#167
I wish nothing but happiness to A_L_. He has a distinctive style. Perhaps, as KKxyz suggests, A_L_ and I should refrain from online engagement. Spats are not a pretty sight!
Thanks for such a good analysis of this nonsense. (Which reminds me, whatever happened to Utter Nonsense, was he or she ever on this board?)
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#168
Waiting at the front office desk to be called into an assistant principal’s office, this tardy senior knows she’s going to be paddled – but not how many swats!
The tension is building, like the tension in the tight denim stretched across her bottom.
As she hears the smack of a paddle across another tardy offender’s butt, she knows it’s her turn next: 3, 4, or 5 swats?
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#169
Hello pi0591,
Addressing Texasrules
pi0591 wrote: ↑May 27, 2020
And incidentally yes, I did know that you are female; I think you mentioned it a few posts back.
Let me say at the outset that there is of course absolutely no reason why any contributor here should declare their gender. However If Texasrules has mentioned her gender before I would be most grateful if you or she would indicate where, simply because I am surprised to have missed it. I have just checked all her contributions for terms which might be used in such a declaration and found no relevant match.
What Texasrules has done on various occasions is publish an email address containing what we will refer to for faith neutral reasons as a ‘given’ name. In the UK that name is almost invariably female, I can only recall one exception and he was from the US. The first time that email address appeared I checked the web and found that in the US it is indeed a gender neutral name. And I made a mistake I now very much regret. I continued to treat the reaction of Texasrules to me as that of a male and in turn reacted accordingly. That is to say how I would react to a male who attacks me in ways I see as unsubstantiated.
Anyone checking my record here in the past will I think find it very difficult to find instances where I have done other than encourage and support female contributors, though there are what may appear exceptions where female sock puppets were deployed by very definitely male contributors, particularly in the Australian phase of the Forum wars.
As regards your own objections to my posts, those for which you have given explanation seem to have largely centered on my using readily available public data to make a point. As far as I am concerned the fact that you might not have realised that the data concerned was publicly available is not a valid reason for you to object to me using it, especially when you haven’t taken the trouble to ask me how I came by it. I have never declined to describe how I know or do something here other than a very few cases which I am confident I can justify in the unlikely event anyone comes up with one.
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#170
Alison, for the avoidance of doubt!
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#171
Another_Lurker wrote: ↑May 28, 2020
Another unnecessarily long winded word salad post
Or, you could have just said “oh you are female? My mistake”, used proper pronouns and moved on. But…….
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#172
An interesting screen shot, taken a short time ago when Texasrules, Lacoue and I were all online.
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#173
But out of respect for a longstanding contributor for whom I’ve always had high regard I’m not publishing the even more interesting screenshot taken a few seconds later. I’m sure he’ll get the message! ????
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#174
My gods! We are all the same person! We were all online within seconds of each other! There couldn’t be any other possible explanation!
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#175
well i’m all for respecting peoples gender choices, if you wish to identify as female that’s fine with me. i do however take some issue with taking real incidents of corporal punishment/sexual abuse of children and mixing them with fiction and supposition and hearsay and effectively turning them into some unholy hybrid of amateur docudrama and kiddy porn bdsm fan fiction, using real children or people who were children at the time, as folder for the quasifictional prurient satisfaction of a dubious audience..
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#176
lacoue wrote: ↑May 28, 2020
My gods! We are all the same person! We were all online within seconds of each other! There couldn’t be any other possible explanation!
No Lacoue. But then I wouldn’t have expected you to spot it. Someone who favours Facebook/Twitter monosyllabic communication is hardly likely to be used to dealing with small but possibly significant detail.
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#177
Another_Lurker wrote:
“Let me say at the outset that there is of course absolutely no reason why any contributor here should declare their gender. However If Texasrules has mentioned her gender before I would be most grateful if you or she would indicate where, simply because I am surprised to have missed it. I have just checked all her contributions for terms which might be used in such a declaration and found no relevant match.”
I’m sorry A_L but for once your forensic skills have let you down. If you go back and look again, the evidence is clear that Texasrules is a woman. When you find the relevant post, you will realise why I am not identifying it.
We are all feeling stressed at this time, but let’s have a bit of humour back on this board instead of irritable responses. We have enough of that in 10 Downing Street! Perhaps we need some trams to calm us down?
Picture from visitblackpool.com with fond memories of a late local resident who figures in this thread. I don’t think the town are encouraging visitors at this moment but hopefully things will be better in time for “The Illuminations”
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#178
Hello hcj,
There are a few people on here to whom I am inclined to defer automatically in most cases, and curiously 50% of them worked for the BBC at some stage. ???? Another of them, who as far as I know hasn’t worked for the BBC, I have just found to have posted information on 16 January 2017 that renders my above screen shot superfluous. The screen shot was intended to make the point which the post had already quite clearly expressed in words. Now that post I have either overlooked or forgotten. As regards the screen shot, the clue, for lacoue and anyone else who hasn’t got it, lies in the little flags.
As regards forensic skills, well most of them on this Forum were always exercised by the ex-BBC employees and the person who made the 16 January post, with the Belgian Detective probably the leader. I wonder who he was? ???? My own contribution to those heady days of mass exposures of fakes and imposters was mainly hard graft and intuition. However as I was the one who was happy to stick my head above the parapet and tell it how it was I often got the credit – and the consequent vituperation! As regards the vituperation, if the Not-so-private Forum still exists its members probably still think I run this Forum. For the record, and pi0591 please note, I don’t!
These days I often don’t have the time or the inclination to do the hard graft, so if you say that there is prior evidence of the gender of Texasrules, I shall, as noted above, defer to you. I have clearly forgotten it and my recent quick search, via likely words and the Forum search engine, didn’t find it.
But although the inclination to hard graft has deserted me the intuition remains, and I think there is something a little unusual going on not a thousand miles from this thread. However, as you say, perhaps it really is time for a tram now, or rather in this instance a trolley bus. A fine specimen from Nottingham, seen at a point where the juvenile Another_Lurker often boarded them for the trip into the city. The vehicle is at the ‘swinger’ which terminated the 44 route to the north of the city, not far from the now demolished pub of the same name, which is reputed to have caused occasional confusion to casual patrons, despite the sign showing a trolley bus.
A trolley bus of exactly the type in the picture once ran over my cycle while my foot was still firmly locked to one pedal. Fortunately it was the other pedal that the bus flattened, along with the rest of the bike. It wasn’t the driver’s fault. The road was sheet ice and I’d fallen off the bike at the foot of the equally icy hill the bus was descending.
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#179
Another_Lurker wrote: ↑May 28, 2020
lacoue wrote: ↑May 28, 2020
My gods! We are all the same person! We were all online within seconds of each other! There couldn’t be any other possible explanation!
No Lacoue. But then I wouldn’t have expected you to spot it. Someone who favours Facebook/Twitter monosyllabic communication is hardly likely to be used to dealing with small but possibly significant detail.
I just believe in being succinct with my words. Clearly we disagree on this methodology.
I look forward to your ten paragraph response!
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Unread postMay 28, 2020#180
Hello lacoue,
I’m afraid you’ll only get the five paragraph post which preceded yours. Sorry to disappoint you.
Well no, perhaps you’ll get a little more. Brevity is great, in its place. Sadly I worked for too long in a job where not dotting every ‘i’ and crossing every ‘t’ together with cross-references and appendices could cost my employers amounts with lots of digits and I can’t shake the habit.
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#181
Perhaps this will be of help. (I know it isn’t a tram! Nor was the photograph taken in Blackpool. But maybe hcj will recognise the location.)
P8230033.JPG (1.08MiB)
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#182
Ah yes! Budapest I believe. Many happy memories.
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#183
The relationship between the about to be graduated young ladies and the school was not ruptured and a few of them moved on and seem to have had success judging from their social communication in the ensuing. They didn’t think of themselves exploited by a man. It was minor course correction nor a major event over four years.
It is a painful lesson that was carefully weighed? Their parents could have been them a no paddle list. They chose otherwise. They made a bad choice and to choose unpleasant consequences? There are 125 girls scheduled to graduate the next year. When they read it didn’t tickle on Instagram they might not take part in senior pranks.
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#184
You’re right on that American Way. Here’s my report on the Oxford HS incident, focusing on Carlee Waits
Carlee Waits OHS report.pdf (14.56 MiB) 6
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#185
Unfortunately when I opened this it was just a jumble of code. Any ideas?
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#186
Standard pdf file, should open ok. Depends what you’re using I guess . Downloads and opens for me
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Unread postMay 29, 2020#187
Hello bripuk,
Like you I had problems. I couldn’t open the file in my normal browser but I could download it. However everything I’ve got that displays PDFs said it was corrupt. I really couldn’t see why, because the headers at least appear identical to those of the PDF file that Texasrules previously uploaded.
I keep a copy of the Opera browser for special purposes, and eventually I copy/pasted the URL into that. I didn’t expect it to work because I hadn’t logged in to Tapatalk with Opera, but although it wouldn’t display the file it did download it, though calling it ‘Blob’ and not giving it an extension. This time the download file was exactly the right size whereas previous download attempts had been uniformly larger than they should have been.
And when, throwing caution to the winds, I clicked on blob, up came the PDF in my normal PDF viewer! Don’t ask me why, I don’t know, and I’m supposed to be reasonably competent! There may be some connection with the current on-goings at Tapatalk, there may not.
But persist. From your past comments here I’m sure you won’t be disappointed! If necessary load Opera. It’s quite a reasonable browser and has its uses.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#188
How do I delete an image associated with my own post – or delete an old post entirely? There seems to be no method of doing this.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#189
Hello Texasrules,
I believe that using the Tapatalk App, downloadable from the Tapatalk homepage, enables you to do some deletions, though possibly for only a limited period after posting. I’m not sure what the App runs on though. Possibly only mobile devices and I note you use a proper computer.
Not sure if VIP status allows you deletions. There’s a month’s free trial on at the moment but you have to give a credit card number and if you don’t cancel they start monthly debits after a month.
Can you not use whatever method you used to delete your PDF last time? If that’s not working wait a bit it may return. There seems to be major software chaos at Tapatalk at present.
If there’s a good reason (and possibly even if there isn’t) our very helpful Forum Management will normally delete posts for you if you post in the relevant thread and specify exactly which of your posts you would like to have deleted. Best specify the post number (number preceded by # at top left of post). The Forum Management could also possibly delete an image from a post. Not sure on that one though. I don’t recall any edits of that type since we moved to Tapatalk and they may not still have that facility.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#190
Hello Texasrules again,
A note of caution, possibly! If the Forum Management can delete an image from a post for you, if you uploaded the image to Tapatalk it may still remain accessible to other users via your profile. Uploaded images are all held on a single database as far as I can see and removing the link to that database from a post may still leave the link in the profile. I simply don’t know on that one.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#191
Just a word about the .pdf file uploaded by Texasrules in #184.
I clicked the link in my Tor browser, and (as standard for that browser) I was invited to download the file, or to open it in another application. I chose to open it (it was called blob.pdf) using the Evince, a common pdf viewer for Linux distributions, and there was no problem.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#192
Thank you A_L
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#193
This is like a skilful marketing plan. Now everyone who can’t open the blob .pdf is intrigued to know what it says. How long did Carlee wait, and what was she waiting for….?
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#194
Texasrules wrote: ↑May 29, 2020
You’re right on that American Way. Here’s my report on the Oxford HS incident, focusing on Carlee Waits
I cant open it either. Ive tried Opera but that didn’t work.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#195
In Chrome on Windoze it just downloaded for me as “Blob”, then I renamed it Blob.PDF and it was fine.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#196
Sorry I have no idea why Tapatalk renamed the pdf file “blob”. The name of the file is shown on my post. Very confusing. It opens ok when I download it from this group but it called “blob”. Who knows why!
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#197
Opened it using Adobe. Thanks you Texasrules for providing an insight into the paddling practices at that school. I’m sure there will be many objections but the young ladies involved were offered a choice and that was the course of action they chose to follow.
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#198
The PDF file that Texasrules has uploaded isn’t called either ‘blob’ or ‘Carlee Waits OHS report.pdf’ at Tapatalk. For the record it is called ‘3189915_c564f60110bad80de3c70166ab8ea779.pdf’ which is a fairly typical sort of database identity. But as it is in a database you can’t access it without the address of the database, the address in the database and all the necessary keys and signatures needed to access the database, which is why the complete URL looks like this (slide the code box horizontal scroll bar for the full extent):
CODE: SELECT ALL
https://attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/47595/202005/3189915_c564f60110bad80de3c70166ab8ea779.pdf?Expires=1591033745&Signature=dEZoP5NN5tylhzwuHpo87OnoG5eVFCS2A0hKDpXxqgHxPJdoQomQrbfnDmV39VW-uwgYTTNP7R-WmCr07TRGCy6ZLDEiYxP5x2Z~KPsMNvJZ~Vr3zVPqk4~JzwI8-tOy-Zn8PrDMiqhqbRaPt5gvxeErihr48lupjojfLwe5C6OsDqWfGTGK0VoKWJmJ-5WCGlmCrRwOuAkVkDsrwY~-L4UepzOMUsTEn2bSzTCFxgv2GzA6kps7N-EakBuBRdUKm-XHQFhJ7KBD6z6m5s0V7JJJnWbhVbKFTMcKe1lPoJ~4cWBeXd5wHIifCWjMcLeLBlhmOS5bCKN2ShCEuynWGw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJS72YROXJYGYDADA
However even if you do access it correctly for some reason, as I noted back on the previous page and several others have confirmed since, it is being renamed to blob. Further, quite possibly, you’ll get a sightly oversized file which all your PDF viewers will say is corrupt. I’ve just tried a couple more methods of getting it, including writing an HTML script to download it directly, and each time I’ve got a corrupt oversized file.
So far the only successful attempt I’ve had was the one I detailed earlier using Opera, but Opera apparently didn’t work for davenhall so I suspect my success was just happenstance.
Something very strange is going on at Tapatalk and whatever it is they don’t appear to be able to put it right. However they are apparently trying, as the login situation has changed every time I login. Just now the only way I could get in was by finding my old Network54 password and using that identity. I suspect whatever is going on is also affecting the upload database. so for those who haven’t managed to get the Texasrules PDF yet, be patient. If you like pretty girls and paddlings it will be worth waiting for! ????
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#199
Perhaps someone would be able to post the infamous Blob in another form? Copied and pasted into a doc perhaps? I’m at – or actually beyond – the limit of my own technical expertise!
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Unread postMay 30, 2020#200
The quality is not a good as the pdf, but here are jpgs of Page 1, then Pages 2 & 3. Hope that helps people cope with the mysterious blob pdf – not of my making!
Carlee Waits OHS report Page 1.jpg (283.26KiB)
Carlee Waits OHS report Pg 2 & 3.jpg (516.19KiB)
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Unread postMay 31, 2020#201
Poor Carlee. What a frivolous and empty life you have – if your reproduced postings are an accurate reflection of your life, and you.
There is something deeply disturbing about the very notion of cheerleaders and selfies. The end of civilization is near if not already passed.
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Unread postMay 31, 2020#202
Hello KK,
KKxyz wrote: ↑May 31, 2020
Poor Carlee. What a frivolous and empty life you have.
Good heavens! How can you possibly say that about someone who has 6,502 followers on Twitter! ????
Of course if you and I were to post accounts on Twitter of being paddled at school, together with pictures of some attractive young lady we could have 6,502 followers too.
As for selfies, they are the very stuff of life itself if you are under 50. I currently find myself with some much younger friends. A great comfort in my old age, and it keeps me out and about, but the selfy thing is a problem. As I decline to take them myself with my aging but still perfectly serviceable mobile phone1 I am constantly compelled to be in other people’s.
I have to disagree with you on cheerleaders though. Never let it be said that Another_Lurker doesn’t enjoy the sight of attractive young ladies disporting themselves in exiguous skimpy minimal costumes!
Note 1: An 8 year old Samsung running Android 4 if anyone wants to know. I am absolutely devastated that I shall be unable to run the NHS contact tracing app – not!
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Unread postJun 16, 2020#203
The premiere site for video recreations of school corporal punishment scenes has been in business for 21 years. Since March the state’s have been restricted so this February entry was before the pandemic wreaked its havoc. The reason why there are so many paddlings just before graduation is because suspension is not an option so close the end of the school year.
The quality of videos have improved over the last two decades. Some of the moaning and groaning about getting swats in schools can be better understood in light of the videos that were produced in 2019. The last part shows the discoloration that is so often referred to by the girls. Five swats or more are shown. Most of their testimonies involve three swats.
Given the devastating impact of more than five swats shown makes it understandable why the swats would be spread out over days. It is the only humane option given the regulations found in the student handbook. It is likely that some administrators would prefer other policies than the ones that have been passed down. Imparting pain should never be a pleasant task.
The slow motion gives you a better idea why some students say getting swats is the most painful experience in their young lives. Maybe being it by a hard ball would rank higher. It is meant for viewers 18 or older although ironically 18 years olds aren’t spared. If you choose to watch the last part you can understand why they compare being spanked to a sunburn.
http://www.thespankingblog.com/index.ph … paddling1/
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Unread postJun 16, 2020#204
These models are given a few days off to let their bottoms heal. The overwhelming majority are given ten swats. No other school, that I know of, proudly display their policy on pages 12 and 13 in this format. They are truly a striking outlier with no pun intended.
The school ranks 128 out of the 282 high schools in the state of Arkansas. With only 238 students that cannot have a full array of sport’s options for the young men and women to choose. Softball requires 9 plus substitutes. Men do not coach indoor sports with a woman for locker rooms require females. Some schools allow coaches to paddle their students. I would hate to see such innocent girls have to suffer under that regime but looks are deceiving. Softball is second best to ping pong to prepared to teach in the south.
https://static.visionamp.co/rubix/20170 … 02c602.jpg
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Unread postJun 19, 2020#205
Kaitlyn Guard, a cheerleader of Macon County High School, asked Macy how her day was?
To refresh her memory I take that to mean the school though it prudent that she be assigned three sessions and not just three swats. They rarely give two swats to a senior so there would not be any need to specify the number. Would her day be better if she couldn’t find her car in the parking lot after school? Hitting students is not likely to be the highlight of their day either with the exception of a few bad apples that take an undue delight either from vengeance or from perversity.
Macon County High School TN paddles over 10% of their student body so she shouldn’t be surprised.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 0255000839
Spankings don’t usually occur on the same day so they have a choice to what to wear. This would be a bad choice for this young lady but let’s not feel to sorry for them for only those that make bad choices put them in that situation in the first place. They know they might be paddled because their folks thought it would do them good when they didn’t opt them out.Many schools make their students sign their handbooks attesting to having read if from day one so they can’t feign innocence. They tweet to each other so they don’t have to go online to learn how frequently their school uses corporal punishment as a means to modify bad behavior so it shouldn’t come to them as a surprise. Though many are paddled by men I know none of them being spanked without a woman witness. None of these safeguards matter to the ant-CP zealots that are impossible to appease. You can’t please everyone.
Padlings don’t usually occur on the same day so they have a choice to what to wear. This would be a bad choice for this young lady below but let’s not feel to sorry for them for only those that make bad choices put them in that situation in the first place. Call me a softy or call me what you will but I think three sessions is an overkill. It is a judgment call so I won’t argue the matter.
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Unread postJun 19, 2020#206
Hello American Way,
American Way wrote: ↑Jun 19, 2020
……….. they have a choice to what to wear. This would be a bad choice for this young lady below
Possibly not! If you’re going to get paddled you might as well go for broke, and dressed like that there has to be at least a chance that when they finally stopped laughing the person responsible for wielding the paddle would let her off. ????
Why on earth is she dressed like that anyway, what is depicted in that picture she’s holding, and what has it to do with school? I presume it does have something to do with school as the photo is on the school site.
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Unread postJun 20, 2020#207
They graduated tonight and Wednesday would be some last day group activities. It is warm in Louisiana but that doesn’t give one the right to violate the dress code. Due to safe distancing some schools have Zoom graduations. Congratulations are in order.
https://www.maconcountyhs.com/article/255123?org=mchs
Pandemic paddling for a senior prankster.
They graduated tonight and Wednesday would be some last day group activities. It is warm in Louisiana but that doesn’t give one the right to violate the dress code. Due to safe distancing some schools have Zoom graduations.
You cannot Zoom paddle.
http://www.realspankings.com/updates/im … 46_004.jpg
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Unread postJun 21, 2020#208
I understand that the atudents have been remote learning and came into school to collect graduation gifts…of course they wouldn’t be dressed like that for a regular school day!
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Unread postJun 21, 2020#209
Thank you Texasrules,
I am very relieved to read that! In most western school environments today boys already have quite enough problems keeping up with the girls without being distracted by such underhand tactics! ????
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Unread postSep 23, 2020#210
Usually you have to do some more serious than this to be considered committing a paddle worth offense but not so in Farwell, Texas where they seem to be able to bend the rules of the student handbook. Catapulting a rubber band can be considered an event that triggers corporal punishment according to one of our former posters. Maybe they clobbered her so early in the school year to deter the students for the ensuing year to do something more heinous.
There could be another Regan Agee of Farwell Texas that goes to a school that permits 17-year-olds to be paddled but I even think A_L would reluctantly agree it would astronomically unlikely. She was scheduled to graduate in June 2016 so it is not ancient history. When you have 149 students with 16 suspensions and 11 spankings in 2015 you can see how she could have been paddled for such a trivial offense. Disruption, such as loud noises, is reason enough to paddle so could what Regan had not done. It was too early in the year to have multiple tardies. I have come to the conclusion that when it trades off 1 day or 1 CP or 2 days or 2 CP or 3 days or 3 CP they’re talking about sessions of swats and not number of swats. An extra swat seems to me to be too light of a trade off.
https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/regan- … /stats.htm
5.9% of the girls and 9.3% of the boys paddles with 5.9% of the girls paddle; 5.9% of the girls 13.3% of the boys suspended once or more.
Suspended.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=514 … 8&pid=2343
Spanked.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=514 … 8&pid=2342
I speculate some don’t distinguish between the number paddled and instances in spite of what they write.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 1911001781
If you’re white you’re 3.3 more likely to be enrolled in advanced (more likely to be college bound) placement than Hispanics. There are no blacks in the school with 57% Hispanics (as many Texas schools) and 43% White.
With the escalation of 7th to 8th to 9th tardy offense not using swats but 1 CP; 2 CP and 3 CP we are talking about multiple sessions as a trade off to detention. At least she didn’t get 3 days of 3 swats or 15 M W F. She would really say TGIF.
https://www.farwellschools.org/upload/p … .28.20.pdf
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Unread postOct 10, 2020#211
Valentine’s Day girl deserved more than the maximum three so she had to come back for two more. Mr Dunn had the satisfaction of witnessing Principal Vargas paddle her. Actions have consequences. She was among about the 30 of the 200 girls in the prior year.
Dutch treat.
https://ocrdata.ed.gov/Page?t=s&eid=522 … =6&pid=800
Shana Elliot diobedience of rules and defiance cost her more than five swats six years later.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … -baby.html:/
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Unread postOct 10, 2020#212
One cannot say Goliad High School didn’t try for trying to keep Shana from breaking rules and respecting authorities they even did this seven years before to prevent this tragedy.
https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/l … 83a9e.html
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Unread postOct 10, 2020#213
The futility of donning thick jeans
Sir Isaac Newton had personal experience of the school master’s birch. He understood momentum and had considered the effect of density on the penetration of projectiles. He likely knew little about paddles and nothing about American girls or jeans. However, he could have predicted what would happen when a rigid wooden paddle impacted on a girl’s posterior, covered by thick fabric or not, and we can too.
The punishment paddle carries a given momentum depending on its weight and speed (or more precisely, mass and velocity). To stop the paddle, this momentum must be transferred onto another mass, such as the fabric and flesh directly in front of it. If the fabric is to offer useful protection it needs to contribute significant mass and so reduce the depth of paddle penetrates. Less penetration, less distortion and less pain.
Heavy denim typically weighs about 400 g/m^2. This means there is roughly 4 g of fabric in the path of a paddle weighing perhaps 400 g. These values can be adjusted if you wish but they do make it clear wearing thick jeans will do little. There is just too little mass in the paddle’s path.
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Unread postOct 10, 2020#214
To err is human. A willingness to confess and accept the consequences of one’s mistake can help restore equilibrium. Shana was reluctant to admit fault, a grievous one, then she tried to escape the full impact of her punishment by padding up. Does the attempt at padding compound her offence or was it a natural and sensible response to a cruel punishment?
If three swats is considered inadequate punishment what are the alternatives?
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Unread postOct 11, 2020#215
Hello American Way and KK,
The dreadful casual conjunction of the trivial and the terrible in the two accounts about Ms Elliot above makes me wonder if indeed there is merit in the argument of those who claim that school corporal punishment is ineffective and can blight the subsequent lives of those subjected to it.
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Unread postOct 11, 2020#216
The alternative is a safer two swats extended over a week. Like a pill taken in the morning or a better analogy a needle. This school fascinates me. There are eighty girls in the school and not one boy was paddled. Asians are young ladies are not the most likely to come to mind as possible getting the full dosage. There are 1.2% Asians with one with and one without a disability. Both girls were the only ones that may have been subjected to this regime.
https://projects.propublica.org/miseduc … 3951004492
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … olicy1.jpg
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Unread postOct 11, 2020#217
Holes in the paddle are purely psychological. Being paddle in a softball uniform would lead to less bruising than volleyball uniform with only the clothed part coming in contact with the paddle?
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Unread postOct 12, 2020#218
Shana Elliot Sentenced To 14 Years In Prison. shana-elliot-sentenced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-drunk-driving-deaths-of-husband-and-unborn-child
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Unread postOct 12, 2020#219
When I was in my last school we had a lad in our class called Hart who I often thought had a blank look on his face. I found out his brother was a pharmacist and when he was in trouble or thought he was going to be and caned, took a handful of pills. He thought it helped.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#220
Mrguder wrote: ↑Oct 12, 2020
Shana Elliot Sentenced To 14 Years In Prison. shana-elliot-sentenced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-drunk-driving-deaths-of-husband-and-unborn-child
I was puzzled by “drunk driving deaths of husband and unborn child”. Who was drunk? Whose husband and child? Why such a long sentence?
A very sad and unfortunate event caused by a young woman in a serious impaired state even if self-induced.
What purpose is served by such a long sentence? Will it deter others from drunk driving assuming they consider all the potential consequences?
Will it help Shana become a better person?
Will it placate the innocent victims?
What will it cost taxpayers?
Who supplied the alcohol? Was anyone in a position to stop Shana from getting into her car?
A society that permits or requires such a response to a tragedy is not qualified to use the paddle in schools.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#221
I was surprised at the length of the sentence as well, especially because she plead guilty. I would have thought it would have brought a reduced sentence. Maybe it did? I think didn’t have a good lawyer, or drunk driving penalties in that particular part of Texas are strict.
Shana was the who had driven drunk. She hit a car, killing a pregnant women’s husband, and causing her to miscarry. While Shana may not have done so maliciously, her lack of judgement did cause terrible harm. A sad situation all around.
Her 14 year sentence is setup as two seven year sentences that have to be served consecutively. She would be eligible for parole in 3 years if memory serves, but then would begin the 2nd seven year sentence in which she would be eligible for parole in another 3 years. So with good behavior, she could be released in 2024.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#222
Despite the guilty pleas there were adverse circumstances in the Shana Elliot case.
She apparently had a recent conviction for narcotics offences.
She was two and a half times over the permissible alcohol limit.
She apparently claimed to the police that the couple whose car she hit had been drinking at the same event she had been at when this was not the case.
It is also reported, though I am not clear if this had any influence on her sentence, that she allegedly claimed that the man who died was a drug supplier.
As well as the two consecutive 7 year sentences for Intoxication Manslaughter she was given a 10 year fully probated sentence (ie no prison time unless the probation terms are breached) for Intoxication Assault which would end in 2026. The judge stated that even if she was released from prison before the 10 years was up that sentence would run its full term. I am not clear if that indicated that he expected that she would be out in less than 10 years.
Reports say that the earliest the two 7 year sentences could be expunged would be 2023. This is presumably something to do with the fact that although the final sentencing trial to decide whether the 7 year sentences should be concurrent or consecutive was not until 2018 the offence took place in 2016. She was on bail for some of the time after the 2016 initial trial but may also have accrued some time in custody.
A very unusual element of the sentence, at least to British eyes, is that she has to report to the Hays County Jail on August 1st, the anniversary of the incident, every year for life after her release from the two 7 year sentences and spend two nights in prison, one for each person she killed, being released on August 3rd. I am not clear how common that sort of sentence is in the US, or how enforceable.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#223
Hmm, possibly some confusion! Another report I have just noticed says that in the Shana Elliot case the ‘anniversary imprisonment’ is only for the term of the 10 year probated sentence. That’s definitely not what other reports said, though I confess the ‘for life’ did sound rather strange.
I am having considerable trouble with US Newspapers, and not just in this instance. I am quite used to sites objecting to the built in VPN browsers I use, also to sites only admitting me if I appear to be accessing them from the US. Many American companies seem paranoid about European privacy legislation and won’t admit a European IP address, and I’m quite used to that too. However I wish sites would be consistent, and many US Newspaper sites aren’t.
Now over the last few days some US newspaper sites have started moaning about my ad blockers and declining to let me in unless I switch them off. Tough! I’ll go elsewhere, there’s plenty newspaper sites around. But it does make it annoying when, having used information from a site you can’t get back in to check it without major browser reconfiguring.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#224
KKxyz wrote: ↑Oct 10, 2020
The futility of donning thick jeans
To stop the paddle, this momentum must be transferred onto another mass, such as the fabric and flesh directly in front of it. If the fabric is to offer useful protection it needs to contribute significant mass and so reduce the depth of paddle penetrates. Less penetration, less distortion and less pain.
It is a long time since I was at school and I didn’t do very well in science but surely it’s the rate of change of momentum that is important here? Wouldn’t a thick layer of something like foam rubber suffice even though it has little mass? It would act like the crumple zone does in vehicle crashes?
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#225
Another_Lurker wrote: ↑Oct 13, 2020
Hmm, possibly some confusion! Another report I have just noticed says that in the Shana Elliot case the ‘anniversary imprisonment’ is only for the term of the 10 year probated sentence. That’s definitely not what other reports said, though I confess the ‘for life’ did sound rather strange.
I am having considerable trouble with US Newspapers, and not just in this instance. I am quite used to sites objecting to the built in VPN browsers I use, also to sites only admitting me if I appear to be accessing them from the US. Many American companies seem paranoid about European privacy legislation and won’t admit a European IP address, and I’m quite used to that too. However I wish sites would be consistent, and many US Newspaper sites aren’t.
Now over the last few days some US newspaper sites have started moaning about my ad blockers and declining to let me in unless I switch them off. Tough! I’ll go elsewhere, there’s plenty newspaper sites around. But it does make it annoying when, having used information from a site you can’t get back in to check it without major browser reconfiguring.
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Yea I read the same report that stated that the anniversary would only be during the 10 year probation period. I don’t think the reports of “for life” were accurate, and would be a nightmare to enforce, because she would need some kind of supervising agent for decades. But during probation is more in line with what I know of our justice system.
Good catch on the previous charges. The harsher penalty makes more sense now. I suspect that she was facing even more time and that pleading guilty got her a better outcome.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#226
KKxyz wrote: ↑Oct 10, 2020
The futility of donning thick jeans
Sir Isaac Newton had personal experience of the school master’s birch. He understood momentum and had considered the effect of density on the penetration of projectiles. He likely knew little about paddles and nothing about American girls or jeans. However, he could have predicted what would happen when a rigid wooden paddle impacted on a girl’s posterior, covered by thick fabric or not, and we can too.
The punishment paddle carries a given momentum depending on its weight and speed (or more precisely, mass and velocity). To stop the paddle, this momentum must be transferred onto another mass, such as the fabric and flesh directly in front of it. If the fabric is to offer useful protection it needs to contribute significant mass and so reduce the depth of paddle penetrates. Less penetration, less distortion and less pain.
Heavy denim typically weighs about 400 g/m^2. This means there is roughly 4 g of fabric in the path of a paddle weighing perhaps 400 g. These values can be adjusted if you wish but they do make it clear wearing thick jeans will do little. There is just too little mass in the paddle’s path.
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My inclination is to say that this is absolute tosh. First, what’s it got to do with momentum? Momentum is conserved in elastic collisions, but that’s just a definition of “elastic collision”. Energy is conserved, always (taking into account special relativity), but energy takes many different forms. Most of the energy of the paddle goes into warming up the “girl’s posterior”.
Secondly, I’d challenge the contention that 4 g of something in the path of a paddle weighing perhaps 400 g “will do little”. Suppose the 4g was the mass of a lightweight rigid shield (perhaps polycarbonate, but no doubt there are other lightweight materials). All that would happen is that the energy of the paddle would turn into the deformation energy of the shield and, again, would eventually turn into heat. It’s not the weight of the protection but its stiffness which is relevant.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#227
The Physics and Mathematics I’ll leave to experts! Back to the Shana Elliot sentence. By and large, if parole works as seems to be predicted and she is released after 6 to 7 years I’d say she pretty much got her just desserts. There is however one thing I find deeply disturbing. The final sentencing hearing included an impact statement by the principle victim of the accident.
This is a trend which started to appear around the time media reporters began to ask people who had just suffered some overwhelming and life devastating tragedy “how do you feel”? Often they persist in this even when the victim is clearly far too distressed to think let alone speak. Every time I witness it on TV I feel inclined to hurl a heavy object at the screen, but as it is never my screen I can’t. It is a totally ludicrous and offensive question. If the reporter is even half a normal human being they know exactly how the victim feels, as do the rest of us. We really don’t need to have them forced to tell us!
However victim statements are now a big feature of disaster inquiries and of trials. I confess I know little about the legal system in the UK, let alone in the US, so I have no idea how victim statements relate to the sentence. In the case of criminal charges following a conventional road accident such as that involved here I very much hope they don’t affect the sentence at all.
The crime committed by Ms Elliot was to drive her car while over the legal alcohol limit for her jurisdiction and consequently to lose control of it thus killing (under the law in that jurisdiction) two people. She didn’t select the vehicle she hit. That was an accident of time and place. It should have made absolutely no difference to the sentence whether she killed two absolutely dreadful people on whose behalf nobody could possibly say a good word or, as in her case, a newly wed and much loved husband and his unborn child. I very much hope that was the case.
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Unread postOct 13, 2020#228
AlanTuringBletchley wrote: ↑Oct 13, 2020
Secondly, I’d challenge the contention that 4 g of something in the path of a paddle weighing perhaps 400 g “will do little”. Suppose the 4g was the mass of a lightweight rigid shield (perhaps polycarbonate, but no doubt there are other lightweight materials). All that would happen is that the energy of the paddle would turn into the deformation energy of the shield and, again, would eventually turn into heat. It’s not the weight of the protection but its stiffness which is relevant.
A light weight rigid shield could provide useful protection by distributing the impact over a large area thereby reducing the depth of penetration, deformation and flattening. Such a shield would be very conspicuous and is not easily obtained. Denim can not do the job.
More, in the defence of Isaac, later.
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Unread postOct 14, 2020#229
Of course denim can’t do the job. My challenge wasn’t about the conclusion, but about the reasoning. The reason that denim can’t do the job has nothing to do with its relative mass, which was the claim originally being made: “There is just too little mass in the paddle’s path”.
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#230
Energy-absorbing protective pads
Protective pads work if thick enough. Those who have deliberately worn thick garments or multiple layers in anticipation of a “spanking” are generally disappointed suggesting inadequate thickness has been donned. It is easy to understand why if one considers how padding works and the limited compressibility of clothing fabrics.
Let us consider a protective pad with ideal properties. As well as being light, flexible and “breathable” it is able to absorb a substantial proportion of the kinetic energy of an incoming paddle as it compresses, sacrificially* or otherwise. The “ideal” pad is soft when walking or sitting, comfortable to wear and inconspicuous under ordinary clothing. Its percussion acoustics are a different matter. These will not match those of human flesh.
In the following example I use arbitrary values. You can substitute values you consider more plausible if you wish. The conclusion will be the same. Padding must be thick if it is to usefully mitigate swats from a paddle or strokes from a cane.
Let us supposed the paddle has a mass, M = 0.4 kg and a velocity, V = 10 m/s. Its kinetic energy, KE = ½ M V² = 20 Joules.
Let us further suppose it is brought to a complete stop by a light pad of undefined thickness in a distance, d = 0.01 m (in 2 milliseconds). The work done or kinetic energy consumed in stopping the paddle = Force x distance = F d.
The average force, F on the paddle during its deceleration, KE/d = 2000 N (about = 204 kg force), assuming the pad does not move.
The average force on the pad, and what is constraining it, is also 2000 Newtons. The peak force may be substantially greater than the average for less than ideal pads that compress easily at first, then resist more as they compress.
The average force exerted by the impact of paddle on unpadded buttocks can be similarly calculated from the depth of penetration, typically 2 or 3 cm (1000 or 667 N). The force is not constant but likely increases rapidly with penetration, details unknown.
Unfortunately, high-speed (10,000 fps), high definition, adequate depth of field videos of the paddle impacts are not available. Paintball impacts have been shot at 2500fps but are inadequate for velocity measurements.
To be protective the pad needs to deform more than the flesh behind so needs to compress 2 or 3 cm. Ordinary fabrics and materials cannot compress to nothing so must be substantially thicker than this to provide this amount of compression.
*Energy-absorbing collapsing foams that exert nearly constant force during their collapse are available in a range of hardness’s to match different applications. They are used in cycle helmets which must be replaced after a single impact.
Flexible visco-elastic materials that harden at when distorted rapidly are also available. They momentarily convert to some-what hard shell armour during impacts. They find use in impact sports.
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#231
AlanTuringBletchley wrote: ↑Oct 14, 2020
Of course denim can’t do the job. My challenge wasn’t about the conclusion, but about the reasoning. The reason that denim can’t do the job has nothing to do with its relative mass, which was the claim originally being made: “There is just too little mass in the paddle’s path”.
I stand by my assertion that a layer of denim has too little inertia to significantly affect the impact of a paddle. I will further explain Newton’s penetration argument in a subsequent post. This is Isaac’s own work and not my possibly inept application of his laws. I have yet to find the citation to his original publication more than three centuries ago.
I agreed with your suggestion that a rigid shell of the same mass as the denim might afford protection although I know of no material sufficiently tough. I do not think denim approximates to a rigid shell which is why I wrote “denim can’t do the job”.
I am aware of bullet and stab proof fabrics that resist penetration but at the expense of substantial blunt force wounding behind the fabric. I do not think denim can usefully resist paddle penetration. Indeed, I am a believer in the “Lycra effect” – the view that tight fitting clothing may increase the severity of punishment by impeding the escape of flesh from the impact zone.
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#232
I would imagine people like Dr Gene Starr from Appling, GA would never had earned a doctorate if he wouldn’t be able to detect their effort to avoid their reckoning.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/thea … skins.html
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#233
Amazing American Way!
Have you been keeping that one in reserve for just such a debate as presently rages in this thread?
Even more congratulations if you only just found it!
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#234
I think this explains the problem with KK’s approach, which is to imagine that protection works by slowing down the speed of the impact of the paddle (and hence the references to mass and momentum, which are side issues). As American Way’s wonderful link says,
But once she had ordered the pads and panties, she had to find the ones that effectively diffused the force of the blow yet made for the best smacking sound.
The point is to diffuse the impact, not to lower its speed. If you spread it out more, a larger area of the body receives the energy, and so the overall result is less painful. (Think about the difference between a 60W lightbulb and a 60W laser beam.)
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#235
Students from paddling high schools could consider ordering them. Though when you look at the actresses it is clear to see their clever shield looks like they have inserted a balloon.
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#236
Wow. Johnny Walker Blue Label is top notch. Their bottoms would be black and blue or would be red. The play was given an extension but no awards or revivals at this point. Permission 2015.
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Unread postOct 15, 2020#237
A girl bemoaned her bad luck when she was paddled on her shorts on a school day outing among the tweets. It would be hard to detect shielding attired as a bewitching Elizabeth Reaser appears in this photo. A student may succeed in her ruse in a dress like the one shown in the link below.
One doesn’t think of alcohol among those that practice Christian Domestic Discipline. Maybe she is being spanked for drinking up all the Johnny Walker Blue?
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Unread postOct 16, 2020#238
The Turing effect?
Paddle wounds from heavy or repeated paddle swats often have the form O O or OI IO. The wounds are smaller than the width of the paddle and they occur within the impact zone.
The mechanism of paddle wounding is unclear but likely results from pressure gradients in the superficial flesh caused by the paddle compressing the raised centre of the cheeks more than peripheral. Alternatively or additionally, the sit bones beneath might hinder the movement of the cheeks above producing highest pressure there*. Blood forced from the centre of the cheeks ruptures the capillaries in the nearby lower pressure area forming a characteristic ring bruise.
If a compressible pad of suitable firmness and adequate thickness is placed between the paddle and the cheeks it will compress most where the pressure is the highest reducing the pressure there, flattening the pressure gradient, thereby reducing capillary rupture and / or moving it further out from the centre and making it more diffuse.
*Data is lacking on the precise location of the circular wounds relative to the ischial tuberosities (sit bones) and other anatomical land marks.
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Unread postOct 16, 2020#239
So how does that explain the efficacy of the traditional technique of stuffing an exercise book down the seat of one’s trousers? ????
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Unread postOct 16, 2020#240
Possible need for experiments
#211. “Shana put on her thickest pair of jeans”. No mention of books.
#213. “The futility of donning thick jeans” Inertial protection discounted due to lack of mass. Compressive pad protection not mentioned. No discussion of hard shell armour or books.
#224. My failure to mention compressive pads queried by Alice.
#226. Alan emphatically not convinced that momentum (or its contemplation?) is relevant. Seems to suggest, on cursory reading of his post, that denim might act as useful rigid armour and spread the effect of the impact over a large area.
#228. I agree that a rigid shield could be useful but persist in my notion that denim cannot function so. Still no mention of books.
#230. I attempt to estimate the required thickness of an effective compressive pad (a few cm) but do not mention books.
#231. A rehash of earlier material in face of Alan’s continuing scepticism.
#238. A conciliatory attempt to imagine how a thin pad with minimal energy absorption properties might mitigate the impact of a paddle.
#239. Alan reverts to hard shells and books even though only jeans were mentioned by Shana.
I understand that books, caps and other improvised items stuffed down the seat of the trousers were usually detected with painful consequences.
Newton’s laws of motion are very robust and very useful especially as they apply even when details are not known. They apply when there are no collisions, elastic or otherwise. They apply to fluids and solids of ill defined or changing shape although the latter can be hard to model.
Newton’s calculus has been augmented by computer-powered iterative finite element analysis that does not need the elements to be vanishingly small to produce a solution.
How might the effectiveness or otherwise of thick jeans be tested? Ideally, one would use a triple blind experiment in which the paddler, the recipient and a panel of assessors were unaware of the clothing worn. The paddler might be replaced by a machine. Perhaps the paddle rather than the buttocks could be clothed. There would be ethical and recruitment difficulties. Shana is not likely to be available for quite a while.
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#241
Due to the regrettably short page size on Tapatalk this contribution is going to jump the thread to a new page. I strongly urge everyone to check the previous page to ensure that they have not missed anything!
This thread has become a superb and much appreciated reminder of how things used to be in days of yore in this estimable Forum, when teams of highly trained and very competent academics battled for weeks on end over similar topics. Please everyone, keep it up! My Mathematics and Physics are very rusty. The last time my A-levels were put under any stress was in the examinations board job, and that was over 50 years ago. At my age keeping the brain ticking over is most important and I am grateful for the opportunity!
On a lighter note, I was very interested to see KK’s endorsement in his contribution #231 of what he terms the “Lycra effect” and defines as:
The view that tight fitting clothing may increase the severity of punishment by impeding the escape of flesh from the impact zone.
I have seen this claim made on several occasions, once, if I recall correctly, by a person here posting as a male and claiming to be a professional submissive who underwent a considerable amount of corporal punishment.
It is perhaps rather difficult in retrospect to make a case that some pupils caned or slippered over normal clothing in times past in the UK might have had a less painful experience if punishment had been on the bare. However there may be a case for action still extant in our midst. American Way frequently tells us of unfortunate young ladies paddled at school in tight filling sports or leisure gear because of unfortunate timing and choice of outfit.
Many of these girls appear very confident and not unduly inhibited by embarrassment. Would they, I wonder, have a case to say to the paddle wielding representative of authority “may I have it on the bare please sir (or miss, or ma’am)” and what would the reaction be? I doubt though that we’ll be told! ????
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#242
AT to don jeans and to submit to KK’s paddle
OSIRIS-Rex a triumph for Newtonian physics and KK’s jean very limited protection assertions.
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#243
A few days ago, KK seemed to suggest that all this was something to do with Isaac Newton. For those readers who do not have the necessary background, here are Newton’s Law of Motion.
Lex I
Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.
Lex II
Mutationem motus proportionalem esse vi motrici impressae, et fieri secundum lineam rectam qua vis illa imprimitur.
Lex III
Actioni contrariam semper et æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales et in partes contrarias dirigi.
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#244
One may question about the frequency of multiple days because so few are mentioned. Keep in mind that as an average 11 boys are paddled to 3 girls and how few boys share their experience. The authenticity is in relation to the specificity of their accounts. Three days of swats are mentioned by Morgan from Ozona Texas where Mrs DeLeon’s ferocious spankings are referenced by more than one girl and for multiple tardiness.
Morgan asked for prayers before, talked of crying and marks that followed and paddled only for tardiness. Renee did not think paddling was appropriate for tardiness. Her students allegedly were spanked for other reasons some even for less trivial offenses. Morgan was paddled in January 2015. That last name appears in Ozona. This is what I mean by authenticity and specificity. More than one girl writes about her ferocity thus lessening the likelihood of embellishments.
It would be a crime to paddle this high school senior in the picture for disrespect for tardiness or for defiance for not wearing a mask. 33 of the 200 students were paddled in Ozona the year Morgan was spanked. She is not Morgan but could very we’ll have suffered the same fate as a Senior in June 2019 and Morgan in 2015 could have been target practice for her as Mrs DeLeon developed her spankings teaching the importance of promptitude in the days ahead when they will face severer consequences than a sore bottom. Morgan may come back and thank her as some do when she is finishing venting on Twitter.
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https://www.spokeo.com/K-Morgan/Texas/O … 0275407447
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#245
Ms Dottie De Leon, priorly mentioned when Ozona first was highlighted, will be wielding her paddle in Lohn, Texas in 2020 where it is still permitted. She took a step up in a school half the size of Ozona at the age of 51 perhaps for more pay. They only paddle 3 of the 93 students in 2015. Those youngster may have had a rude awakening with a new sheriff in town. She is a mean one.
https://www.lohnisd.net/administrativestaff
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Unread postOct 17, 2020#246
Here is a 2015 breakdown of the roughly 100 boys and 100 girls of Ozona according corporal punishment statistics or about a fifth of the boys and a tenth of the girls or a spanking every week. Not an every day event for sure but not a big deal either. Less embarrassing but just as painful or maybe even more with Dottie swinging the paddle.
Instances of corporal punishment (Students without disabilities): 30 Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 29 (male: 19, female: 10) Hispanic: 25 (male: 17, female: 8) White: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Instances of corporal punishment (Students with disabilities): 6 Students with disabilities who received corporal punishment: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Hispanic: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Section 504: 4 (male: 2, female: 2)
http://www.city-data.com/school/ozona-h … ol-tx.html
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Unread postOct 18, 2020#247
A triumph for Newtonian physics
On 20 Oct. 2020 NASA will attempt to maneuver the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft down to touch the surface of asteroid Bennu to collect a sample of rock for return to the Earth.
More than three centuries ago Isaac Newton with very limited resources deduced his laws of motion. These are simple and allow inter planetary orbits to be computed to astonishing accuracy*. Truly exciting, marvelous and beautiful. Paddles and errant posteriors are subject to the same laws.
*Einstein’s relativity refinements to Newton may have been required for accurate time keeping.
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Unread postOct 19, 2020#248
Rocks and satellites are rigid bodies and satisfy, for example,
Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.
Elastic materials and fluids require further assumptions, and are better modelled by other principles of physics.
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Unread postOct 23, 2020#249
What we do know about Appling County High in Baxley, Georgia is that there are 1,000 students and 110 were paddled with 248 instances. Dr Gene Starr doesn’t do all the spanking in the school. I wouldn’t know that unless I posted this one again. I guess it is better to get five swats after three swats.
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Appling County (GA) (Profile) (2015) Corporal punishment 248 from the new formatted OCR site with no gender delineation.
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Unread postOct 23, 2020#250
Gene Starr wasn’t the only man that spanked the naughty girls of Appling County High as mentioned in the prior posting. Jim Avera worked at Appling as a teacher/coach before he moved here. Odd with two they couldn’t find one female to do more than just witness but maybe they liked looking on.
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Unread postOct 23, 2020#251
The “official” recording of paddlings at Appling County HS in Georgia does not reflect that the school has a policy of multiple days of licks for a single offense. One offense could lead to three days of lunch detention. A student can trade each lunch detention for 3 licks with a paddle, or take 5 licks at one time to account for 2 lunch detentions. Likewise, on the next step of their discipline consequences, a repeat offense can earn 5 days of lunch detention – or an option of 3 licks a day. Yes, 15 licks for a single offense! A student could reduce visits to the office to just three paddlings, 2 days of 5 licks and one of 3 licks. There are similar multiple day paddling policies at some schools in Texas, including Jim Ned High School and, in Arkansas, Flippin High School.
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Unread postOct 24, 2020#252
Welcome back Texas. You might find this site interesting but it is probably old hat. Looking forward to more posting. American Way
https://translate.google.com/translate? … cipline.nl
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Unread postOct 29, 2020#253
Interesting fetish site, but the perils of Google translate are very evident as some of the sentences simply don’t make sense! I haven’t seen this before
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Unread postNov 24, 2020#254
My own school was about 300 students they’re is school is even smaller. We didn’t have many sports or a band or things that a larger school offered but then again we didn’t have 51-year old Dot DeLeon paddling our bottoms three days in less than a week. Of their 200 students 30 ars spanked per annum and perhaps like Morgan in 2015 got on her wrong side by piling up tardids and got the three consecutive day special.
They says paddling discolors your bottom for an average of three days and you feel pain when you sit down for two days but not painful after you’rs sitting for a day. With one out of seven paddled how many went through all four years without being spanked at least once? Everyone knows when it’s your turn to bend over.
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https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ … e=5FE110F1
Painful lesson on promptitude to a poor pupil’s posterior.
Thank you Jesus!
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Unread postNov 24, 2020#255
Meet Ozona’s naughtiest. Ebony and Gabby did not have multiple encounters in the Fall of 2016 with Mrs. DeLeon from what we can ascertain from their tweets. Morgan was included in the 2015 statistics below. 21 young men and 12 young ladies were spanked that year. How many more than once? We will never know.
Gabby asked for prayers in preparation for her ordeal. She must have given all that she had to give to get them to comply to the code of conduct.
https://schoolswats.files.wordpress.com … 6682869760
Instances of corporal punishment (Students without disabilities): 30 Students without disabilities who received corporal punishment: 29 (male: 19, female: 10) Hispanic: 25 (male: 17, female: 8) White: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Instances of corporal punishment (Students with disabilities): 6 Students with disabilities who received corporal punishment: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Hispanic: 4 (male: 2, female: 2) Section 504: 4 (male: 2, female: 2)
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