New very short school scenario

If you were in a school that used SCP and were authorized to use CP would you corporeally punish a student if they told you they felt CP was a sexual assault, that if you were to hit them they would feel that you had raped them.

Hello dane.  I’m away from home currently, so it’s just a brief reply.  For SCP to be successful, there has to be a consensual element to it – an admission of having done wrong and the acceptance of a penalty to ease the conscience.  If a student feels the way you describe, CP would not be appropriate or successful in its purpose.

Dane,

There is no accounting for the cruelty of some and their willingness to fill children’s minds with nonsense. Examples include: “taxation is theft“, “the right to bare arms” (= take one shirt off?), “the Earth is flat” and “CP is assault”. It is unclear whether it is wise to correct such errors the instant they are discovered and risk odium or to let them become ingrained.

cp is by very definition assault, the only way for you to argue it isn’t is to engage in some sort of convoluted mental gymnastics where you redefine assault in some way to specifically exclude adults assaulting children for the purpose of punishment, which i suppose you could do but i would never accept as valid…. taxation without political legitimacy is theft… the right to bear arms is a right within the united states constitution, though whether it is a natural right or whether natural rights actually exist is certainly debatable and the earths being flat is just silly contrarianism. … i admit those are all opinions but they are certainly not nonsensical, perhaps you can indoctrinate some children to hold your views, convince them that those contrary to your narrow dogma are nonsense, but at least when it comes to cp i would say the tide is against you.

A 4 year old child attempts to put his/her hand in a live electrical socket. The parent gently smacks the child’s hand immediately after the incident. Assault? or perhaps convoluted mental gymnastics are required to justify the parent’s reaction.

its may be a justified assault, it may be a reasonable assault, its still an assault

dane, I am not clear why you asked the question originally.  As you have already decided the answer, using a definition of your own – which you are fully entitled to do – it seems that the only purpose is vexatious.

I will indulge in some more mental gymnastics and ask you a question. Is it an assault to remove the front teeth from an unwilling child, knowing it will inevitably cause distress?  The parents will know that the procedure will be to the long term benefit of the child, so is it still an assault?  If so, perhaps your definition of assault is somewhat too narrow.  Qualifying it with “reasonable” and “justifiable” seems to be a bit of a fudge.

i would argue a necessary medical procedure is not the same as an intentional infliction of pain, an unnecessary cosmetic one or one which caused lasting harm like female circumcision i would argue was assault… as to why i asked the question, it was to see what sort of responses i would get and then to argue my position and hopefully win hearts and minds by not name calling but rationally arguing… okay maybe not so much winning hearts and minds this is the internet after all.

As someone who typified Godwin’s Law, I hardly think you can blame the internet for not winning hearts and minds. The fact is, you have some very good points to make, you just present them in a way that hinders rational discussion.  In my home country, and indeed the one I am currently visiting, SCP is distant history.  We cannot change what happened, but we can have opinions on the extent to which it may have caused harm.

Hello Dane,

Despite your belligerent attitude in many discussions (and being partial to a bit of belligerence myself in the right circumstances I think I’m qualified to judge) I have every respect for your attitude to SCP.  However, in the UK at least, I think that for most if not all of the time SCP was in use your initial premise in this thread is unrealistic.

I simply cannot imagine a pupil reacting in the way you postulate during the period SCP was in use.  Today, with young people far more sexually aware and much more conscious of their rights with regard to treatment by adults  the situation would probably  be very  different.

However, if you wish for a theoretical answer I certainly cannot better the final sentence of hcj‘s  07 May 2018, 21:15 response in this thread.

It seems that we see posted messages time stamped with our own local time which makes the reference in EAL’s post obscure. If I am correct, in the present case the sentence being referred to is: “If a student feels the way you describe, CP would not be appropriate or successful in its purpose.” I concur.

godwin’s law bah humburg…. not everyone who disagrees with me is literally hitler… some are peados or sadistic torturers, others are unspeakably barbaric abominations… then there are the genocidal neo pol potists, the crypto white nationalists…. christian jhadis and the psuedo cultural revolutionary swj cultists ,,,, also i believe at least a couple of ex maoist enver hoxha- ophiles… i have many and diverse adversaries

Hi.

With what happened with me, is would be sexual

Hello KK,

Well done!  I hadn’t noticed the time stamp problem.  However for clarification and the avoidance of doubt (© Sarajane 2002) the hcj contribution for which I referenced the final sentence is indeed, as you suggest, the one which should appear at the top of this link when the linked page is fully loaded.

At time of writing (UTC 7:39) the message we are discussing, #2,  is time stamped ” Yesterday, 09:15″

It looks likely that KK’s premise is correct. It is now UTC 13:43 and  #2 shows as “Yesterday, 0715” for me in Sydney.

To reinforce KK’s premise, my post #2 is time stamped for me at 2315 Central European Time on 7th May, (UTC +1 plus Daylight Saving Time)  which is when I posted it.  A_L’s post #15 is shown at 0753.