Padding

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The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

When I was at high school from 1957 – 1959 there was no way that you could pad up unless you put on extra underpants or similar as we were always bent over touching toes, or once in my case bent over the back of a chair I had to reach down the front legs as far as I could so my backside was again tightly presented for the cane. The teacher would have been able to see straight away that I had put something in to pad. And as I was always caned soon after being told that I was to be caned, there was no chance to go and put on extra underpants.

While I was at school I never heard of anyone padding the seat of their shorts before being caned. However, I was wondering if a teacher such as Dr Dominum or another teacher would like to comment on detecting padding, and if so, was extra punishment awarded.

Ted B

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Guest
Sep 27, 2010#2
I forgot to write, others can respond as well. I would like to know if you padded?, were you caught?? and if so, what was the extra penalty???

Ted B
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StevefromSE5
Sep 28, 2010#3
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
TED

We talked one nervous boy in 4N at MGS in 1966/7 out of putting a sort of rafia/straw circle down his trousers, as it was so stupidly obvious.

Big mistake, he came back white as a sheet, but I suspect 6 instead of 4 would have been even worse & that’s how it would have been treated.

The trick missed was the one staring us in the eyes then, but that I heard about its being used later by boys & girls-two pairs of tights.

Think about it-all that survival stuff about every extra layer of clothing traps more body heat. And it also forms further layers, albeit thin ones, through which a cane has to penetrate.

Provided you hadn’t got gym/games that day & didn’t want to be ridiculed, it would be perfect-nobody would be checking for them on boys & they would be completely unseen-christ, even your socks would cover the foot end.

Steve
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Guest
Sep 28, 2010#4
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Steve, thanks for that. In NZ in the 50s and it is still true today, most school boys wear shorts all year around. So tights would be out. I lived in the Central Waikato area of NZ and in winter from the tops of my long socks which came up to just below my knees, to the hem of my shorts about halfway down my thighs, by the time I’d cycled the two miles to school my legs were purple.

Cheers
Ted B
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StevefromSE5
Sep 28, 2010#5
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
TED

Yeh, I remember that was the case in the early & mid-60’s when my folks thought seriously about emigrating.

Definitely put me off your Land Of The Long White Cloud as a place to be schooled in. Especially with my long hairy legs!

I do wonder if anyone pulled the tights stunt in my era, because the guys I heard it from were at grammar/comprehensives in the mid or late 70’s, & I was there 1963-70. I suppose it would boil down to knowing you were going to get it, like maybe being spotted bunking off school in the afternoon, knowing you’d been spotted & that the spotting master had just gone by in a distinctive car on his way home.

I’ll try & get a few contacts back up & see if I can find our further info.

Steve
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george
Sep 29, 2010#6
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I do not think that this would have worked very well in England.
I give you three reasons.

1) pointless if done bare or over just underpants

2) tights would be expensive and cannot see girls lending them any. Mums would be too big and boys could not have afforded them or have the nerve to go into a shop aND BUY THEM

3) if the bottom was not bared the boys shirt would be pulled out of his trousers to prevent that from giving extra protection. if it was not pulled out the chances are it would ride up when bent right over and the top of the tights would be seen.

George
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Beanokid
Sep 29, 2010#7
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
If I know I am going to be caned tomorrow (quite unlikely, since I am 40) then, when getting dressed, I would choose to wear my fairly thick Y-fronts rather than my thin boxer-short; and maybe my canvass jeans instead of my cotton trousers. (We are allowed to wear any sort of trousers provided they are dark coloured.) Is that cowardly or dishonourable of me? Similarly, boys have always had ideas about how to make the cane hurt less — loosen your trousers, tense your muscles, try to stand under a light (so the teacher can’t raise the cane so high), recite poetry or verbs or maths formulas in your head to take you mind off the fear, if not the pain. Is that “cheating”? So if I can work out a way of padding my bottom that the teacher won’t spot — a pair of swimming trunks was a popular suggestion at my school — why does that make me a cad and a coward? After all, the teacher is allowed to do things to make it hurt worse — make me bend over tighter, put chalk on the cane, soak the cane over night so its more whippy etc. Maybe its a matter of honesty – if teacher says “what do you have on under your trousers” and you say “just my pants, sir” you are a liar? Or is it just that you have broken the rules of a “game” — the teacher has tacitly agreed not to hit you on the naked bottom, in return for which you have tacitly agreed only to wear your normal clothes?

I think the boys at my school thought padding was okay if you could get away with it, but there was a sort of risk/benefit analysis which made it not worth while. There was a sort of urban-myth that so-and-so had put blotting paper down his pants and been caught, and that the teacher had caned him on the bare bum. (There was a more plausible one about so-and-so who had told the teacher he was only wearing pants when he actually had swimming trunks on, and got 3 for smoking plus and extra 6 for lying!) So was the decreased pain of the padding worth the increased pain if you were caught? Most people thought not.
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Jessica
Sep 29, 2010#8
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Padding wasn’t very common in my school because no one wanted to risk having it discovered. If the administrator punishing you dicovered a pad, the punishment for wearing it was, at least I think, quite severe. In addition to having the pad removed you would normally also have to lower your trousers/skirt and your underpants to the tops of your thighs and take your licking on your bare behind. It’s seriously more painful when being struck directly on unprotected skin and almost unbearable if they use a paddle that has holes drilled through it to lessen air resistance.

I went to school in the southern United States we didn’t have caning only the wooden paddle. Paddlings on bare skin were rare but they definitely served as a deterrent against wearing pads as protection against CP and against misbehavior in general.
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Guest
Oct 01, 2010#9
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
As I wrote earlier, when I was caned there was no time for me to go and put in padding, besides at my school I had never heard of anyone padding. However I have anecdotal evidence that some boys knew that they were to be caned the next day and while not putting any padding into their shorts, would put their newest pair of underpants and shorts on so as they had the thickest legitimit protection available.

Ted B
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Winston.
Oct 01, 2010#10
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
i would said padding really works,a few months back,i was given caning,i wear an extra pair of those ‘shape up girdle’ from my sis,really much less pain.
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David
Oct 02, 2010#11
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I did seriously consider putting on 2 or more pairs of underpants before going to school knowing I would be getting my first caning that morning but in the end the school legends (no doubt totally untrue) that if he found you out he would do it bare but me off and just wore one pair. I got three hard (at least they seemed hard at 11) strokes and had nice marks for quite a while. Pretty sure I would have got away with it.
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holyfamilypenguin
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Apr 21, 2011#12
Padding wasn’t very common in my school because no one wanted to risk having it discovered. If the administrator punishing you dicovered a pad, the punishment for wearing it was, at least I think, quite severe. In addition to having the pad removed you would normally also have to lower your trousers/skirt and your underpants to the tops of your thighs and take your licking on your bare behind. It’s seriously more painful when being struck directly on unprotected skin and almost unbearable if they use a paddle that has holes drilled through it to lessen air resistance.

I went to school in the southern United States we didn’t have caning only the wooden paddle. Paddlings on bare skin were rare but they definitely served as a deterrent against wearing pads as protection against CP and against misbehavior in general.
The most famous case of padding in the states was Amber Page, second only to Nancy. I wonder if Amber was aware of other girls whose deception and what would be hat would be the typical consequence for that stunt? IMHO having a paddling looming for a full week was cruel than being surprised and have to take two swats without padding but I have no idea how painful that was.

Would the cane be easier to detect than the paddle?

These two links are really worth clicking. Of all my postings I consider them the most amusing, especially the first.

Corporal Punishment and padding.

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Paraphrased: On Monday, April 3rd Amber got ready for school with dread. She put on four pairs of shorts, and then covered them with a pair of overalls. She wanted the extra padding.
On Friday April 7, a full week after her offense she was paddled and Amber was wearing a short denim skirt.

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Nov 22, 2011#13
I forgot to write, others can respond as well. I would like to know if you padded?, were you caught?? and if so, what was the extra penalty???

Ted B
There is nothing new about padding judging from the is archival anecdote from 1896.

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Rob94
Nov 22, 2011#14
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I imagine the biggest danger of being caught came from the different sound extra padding would cause, which any experienced practitioner would have picked up on. Extra underpants would result in an obvious second “panty line” so the only padding possible would be PE or football shorts, which you might have got away with as long as you weren’t made to bend over very tightly, such as in the touching toes position.

The question remains whether or not the small reduction in pain a thin pair of shorts would provide was worth the risk of being found out and getting extra strokes or maybe even a second caning on a sore bottom later in the day or the next day. I never knew anyone who risked it, even if they were expecting a caning. Pretty much as Edward Bear has said, the best you could do was put on your thickest fluffiest pair of underpants and, in the unlikely event that you possessed more than one pair of school shorts, avoid wearing the pair which had worn thin and shiny at the seat.
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KeithInUK
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Nov 23, 2011#15
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
When choosing a pair of underpants to wear, as well as the thickness, another consideration would be how much coverage of the buttocks they provided. Thicker underpants weren’t much use if they didn’t cover the lower part of the buttocks (the sit spot) where it hurts most and where most head teachers tended to aim the cane or the slipper. Sometimes a thinner but fuller pair would have been a better bet!

In parts of America, where girls as well as boys still get paddled over their jeans or trousers and sometimes know in advance that they are going to be paddled on a particular day, I imagine these considerations still apply nowadays to the choice of panties to wear.
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holyfamilypenguin
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Dec 21, 2011#16
There is nothing new about padding judging from the is archival anecdote from 1896.

CLICK
July 19, 1880 Guaranteed to make you laugh. Thirty-two-small-boys of the Pleasantville Explosion story is written in a manner that would be hard to match today. I am sure it was a source of great amusement and perhaps delighted its readers over 130 years ago as it it did mine. Enjoy.

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Thomas D
Dec 22, 2011#17
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The times that I was caned I was punished on the day of my offence so I did not have an opportunity to put padding down the back of my shorts. There was one time where I put three sheets of paper down the back of my shorts, I was caught and I had to lower my shorts and receive my caning over my underpants. It was the most painful caning I received during my schooling and I did not attempt to put padding down my shorts on subsequent canings.
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Guest
Dec 22, 2011#18
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Knowing I was likely to be caned for my third late arrival of the term, I once took the precaution of “borrowing” my sister’s p.e. shorts. For those of you educated in the UK in the 70’s you will probably remember the style of these. They were nylon, close fitting, and much thicker than the thin nylon football shorts boys generally wore for sport. They were thicker than my 70’s style nylon underpants and I reasoned that they would go undetected.

Receiving my summons to visit the Headmaster later that day, I began to have serious doubts. I had told some of my friends of my plan and began to worry that word may have got out and, my mind turned to the potentially dire consequences of detection. This included the possibility that news would get back to my sister and both she and my parents would doubtless take a very dim view of my interpretation of “borrowing” which required a complete lack of knowledge of the event on the part of the “lender”.

En route to my appointment I almost stopped off at the cloakroom to remove the shorts but a healthy respect for the effect of the cane won my internal debate, so I kept them on.

As I had hoped, being so close fitting, they went undetected. However, any protective benefit they afforded me was not measurable, the cane still hurt like heck, even if I tried to reason with myself that it would have hurt even more had I not been wearing those shorts. As a consequence, I never tried that stunt again and told my friends it had not worked, though from my discomfort, I would suspect that they knew this already.

I never told my sister about this incident. I am sure that, had she known at the time, she would have delighted in notifying the relevant authority. At school, as at home, sibling rivalry trumped pupil camaraderie and we would often rejoice at getting the other into trouble.

Another legendary(?) case of padding at my school occurred when a boy in my year (one of those sent home from the Welsh trip – ref. Mass Canings in School thread) apparently cut a section from one of those roll towels in the cloak room and stuffed this down his trousers prior to a caning. According to the tale, it was easily detected and he was further punished for his vandalism. If I recall he was suspended either for or soon after this event and expelled later that year. I expect the tale grew in the telling, but I am sure the fact that he tried padding up was true.

Regards

M.W.
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KKxyz
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Dec 22, 2011#19
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
To be effective, padding must either absorb the energy of the cane or must spread it over a large area.

“Spreading” requires the padding to be rigid, like medieval armour. Such rigid protection is certain to be detected and would be uncomfortable to wear.

Flexible padding of very high density, mass and inetia could provide effective protection. Rather than being hit by the cane travelling at high speed you would be hit by the padding travelling at much slower speed but with the same momentum as the cane. Lead, gold and uranium underwear would expensive, uncomfortable to wear and inclined to fall down because of its weight.

The final and perhaps most practical protection would be provided by thick compressible material of suitable resistance to compression and weight.

Consider bubble wrap as a possibility. It is flexible and light so very easily displaced by the cane except that its movement is constrained by the buttocks. The cane quickly compresses the bubbles it impacts. The rising pressure is felt on the skin which may begin to displace marginally sooner than might otherwise be the case. The amount of energy absorbed by compressing the bubble wrap can be calculated (force integrated over distance) and is rather small for any practical thickness. Heavier material, such as soft solid rubber is likely to be best but would need to be carefully shaped to hug the contours of the buttocks.

Cycle helmets and modern cars protect their occupants by absorbing energy and being destroyed in the process. (I was once in a car that was involved in a multi-car pile up. We suffered very little force and the airbags did not inflate. However, the car crumpled up around us to the dismay of the rental company.) Sacrificial padding would fail under repeated strokes.
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Guest
Dec 22, 2011#20
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
KK

Thanks for the treatise. This line in particular genuinely had me crying with laughter:

“Lead, gold and uranium underwear would expensive, uncomfortable to wear and inclined to fall down because of its weight.”

10/10 for consideration of the matter at hand.

Thinking of metallic clothing, I was reminded of a comic from my youth (early 70’s), I forget which comic and even the schoolboy character’s name eludes me. He was invariably in trouble for one reason or another.

In this story, he kept getting his school cap lost, damaged etc and being punished for this. In the end, his mother, sick of continually having to buy him new caps fashioned him one out of metal. Needless to say, it rained, the cap rusted to his head and he was unable to doff it to a passing Master which earned him another caning. He thus came to hate his new cap until such time as it saved him from injury when a brick fell off scaffolding at a building site he was passing, (I loved those comic stories – wish I had kept them all).

Regards

M.W.
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Guest
Dec 25, 2011#21
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
KK,
Bubble wrap was not around in the 50s. I have never seen it used for padding, but I imagine that any experienced teacher in the art of caning would detect the extra thickness. My shorts as those of my classmates were like the ones worn by the boy in the photo of the simulated school CP that was on the forum in early Dec, so any extra protection would be easily detected. Sometimes as a classmate bent over it was possible to see the leg lines of his jockey briefs through the material of his shorts.

Ted B
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george
Dec 26, 2011#22
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
As stted before most of the time I applied the cane to the bare buttocks. For a very short while the governors decided that the cane had to be used over achool trousers. the nonsense that followed made them revert back to bare bottom caning in three months.On of the most effective ways that boys found of reducing the sting was the use of four sheeys of tissue paper. This was very thin and almost impossible to detect. Two pieces were placed down betwwen their pants and bottom and two between pants and trousers. It certainly reduced the weal marks so must have greatly reduced the sting.Another trick was to rub vasaline well into the buttocks and this was supposed to greatly reduce the sting, or rather the sore marks the cane tended to leave.

George
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KeithInUK
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Dec 26, 2011#23
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
When I was at school in the 60’s, one particular boy (he would have been about 12 at the time) had been slippered in front of the class on a few occasions and I remember him almost crying afterwards – he clearly couldn’t “take” it as well as most of us. His father was a teacher at the school, so I suppose a few of the other teachers felt they shouldn’t be seen to be lenient with him and perhaps went a bit too far the other way.

Anyway, a short while after his latest slippering, the subject happened to come up in a conversation and he told me that his mother had secretly sown an extra lining into the back of each of his pairs of underpants that he wore to school. Presumably she hadn’t told his father about this and I’m sure he never did either.

I don’t recall how many more slipperings he got after that, but I hope the extra lining helped.
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de Wolf
Dec 26, 2011#24
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
George, I’m surprised the governor’s would have been involved with the exact caning technique you, as Headmaster adopted?

Surely a caning is meant just to sting a boy/girl, not to almost cut them in half? I’ve been caned over trousers, it was painful, so it had the desirable effect. I cannot see any advantage in caning on the bare, except degrading the student/pupil.
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george
Dec 27, 2011#25
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Firstly, the school to which I refer was a private school and Governors set all policies just like an LEA. At the time I refer the movement against corporal punishment was fairly strong. Two schools in the area had abolished corporal punishment and to , in the view of the Governers to “bring us into line more with recent trends” they decided CP could no longer be done bare. It was following representation by parents about three months later that this policy was reversed.
I cannot agree with your rather emotive statement that caning bare “cut the boy in half.” Being a private school,boys had good quality uniforms which were made of tweed. To apply the cane across trousers made of this material would have been ineffective with the thin flexible cane that was used. It would have had about the same effect as caning a boy who had school trousers on and about four pairs or pants. The only way of making it effective over such trousers would have been the use of a very stout cane. A stouter cane was used but this left the buttocks far more bruised and tender than the thin whippy cane used on the bare bottom. The ruling was changed to caning on pants only, so that the thin whippy cane could be used. This led very quickly to a flood of complaints. Some boys wore thick underwear (trunk style made from wool/cotton mix) greatly reducing the sting while others wore tiny briefs which left the buttocks bare when bending over…..noy a fair situation.
One of the reasons to cane on the bare was that it was completely fair to everybody. Secondly, as a thin whippy cane could be used it did not mark so much and leave the buttocks bruised and tender for days. It also allowed the chance to see if boys had any spots or cuts where they were going to be caned. I can recall more than once seeing a boild on a boys bottom in the area in which he was going to be caned, and one can imagine the pain he would have felt if the cane had hit it. I have also seen boys with very marked bottoms from a “thrashing” at home the night before. Lastly, it also allowed a clear view of how much the cane was marking. Over clothing boys could pretend it was hgurting a lot more that it was, while others may have been suffering intense pain but doing all they could to hide it. If you can see the marks you know about how much it is hurting, or at least see tgat it is not marking or cutting more than it should.
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de Wolf
Dec 27, 2011#26
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
George,
I would have thought academic issues would have interested your School Governor’s, more so than whether you caned the boys on the bare.

You are saying after three months of no bare bottom caning, the boys parents’
asked the school to revert back to caning their son’s on the bare? I find this hard to believe, in fact I would have thought quite the reverse.
There wouldn’t have been too many Headmasters around that closely examined a boys bottom, directly before caning them, well not outside prison anyway!!!

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Worldwide Traveller
Dec 27, 2011#27
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The cane applied with full force on a bare bottom will invariably break the skin.

Ive always thought that this is going too far and subjecting a child to that kind of severe punishment is simply outrageous. Fortunately reported incidents of such abuse are rare in the real world.
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george
Dec 27, 2011#28
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
once again you must put this in the context of the late 1960’s early 1970’s. This was the era when some parents started to speak out against corporal punishment.It was very much an issue at this time and was very much the concern of a Board of Governors, certainly in the private sector where fierce comoetition was taking olace to get pupils. You need to know all the factts why paents asked for corpral punishment to revert to doing it bare rather than on trousers and pants. I am fully prepared to expand on this if it is of any interest. It may have been coincidence but as soon as the cane started to be used on clothing behaviour declined and the cane was used a lot more. We had the first instances of both theft and bullying. Both unheard of before. Their was a strong feeling, rightly or wrongly, that the cane did not hurt nearly so much on trousers and pants as it did on the bare bottom in spite of a thicker cane being used.At the two schools thaty also changed policy on corporal punishment, banning it completely six months before we changed to over clothing, everybody agreed that discipline at those two schools, one state and one private showed a marked decline. Parents were afraid of the same thing happening and this was raised with the Governors. Added to this, the Governors saw this as a chance of increasing numbers as parents at the other private school clearly wanted it returned but that school would not revert its policy. It must also be remembered that a lot of the parents at my school attended it as pupils and bare bottom punishment was used a lot.

I am a little annoyed at the suggestion that I studied boys bare bottoms. It was not the case of studying them but what you saw at the time. With a boy bending over with his trousers and pants down ad shirt up, bending over, you have to look at the boys bottom to take aim with the cane. You had to see it, before, during and after it being caned.it must be remembeed that boys did not pull their pants up rught away after being caned as it was sore and stinging. As to the view that the cane cut on bare flesh, certainly in my case, was not true. By cxaning bare a thin, flexible and light weight cane could be used. With no covering the buttocks did not have to be hit as hard as on clothing. True, on the bare bottom even if not done so hard, did really sting. I would go as far as to say it stung more in the short term than on clothing. What did happen was it would really redden the buttocks but would not cut as suggested. A slight swelling may occur and was due bto two strokes landing innthe same place or by the boy tensing hisa buttocks. Even in these cases you could not describe the marks as cuts.
It must also be noted that teachers (certainly the head) had the same rights as parents. It was common for parents to punish on the bare bottom and so it was not looked upon with outrage as one may think, if using modern day thought. Even those that were anti-corporal punishment fought the campaign on it not beong right to hit children and nothing was made as to if it was done on clothing or bare. STOPP published a book called “A LAST RESORT” and stated cases of bare bottom punisment but the case was that corporal punishment should not be used rather than if it was right to do it bare. Nothing much was made of a whole secondary class that had to bare their bottoms for the slipper (full details are in the book)but the stress was that others means of correction could have been found. this issue of if it should be done bare or on clothing was never an issue at the time. it is only people looking back, without understanding life then and judging it by todays standards that feel it was wrong and even want to think it never took place.
I am will to discuss any points that members would like to raise. For those that just do not believe that corporal punishment was used on bare buttocks, may I suggest you read the History of some private schhools where this issue is dealt with. Read peoples autobiagraphy and they will state they were whacked bare at school. Read school Log Books and Punishment Books and they clearly state that punishments were carried out on the bare buttocks.

Georgw
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KKxyz
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Dec 27, 2011#29
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Worldwide Traveller:

The cane applied with full force on a bare bottom will invariably break the skin.

Not so in general. It depends very much on the size and weight of the cane. It is also influenced by the size and robustness of the target and the strength and determination of the caner.
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Dec 27, 2011#30
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi de Wolf,

A little respect for your elders if you please!

Retired Headmaster George is one of this estimable Forum’s most long-standing contributors, and an Honorary Life Member to boot!

His series here on the duties of a Wartime Headmaster is one of the classics of the genre and an unmissable read for those studying educational organisation and the use of the cane during that difficult period of our history.

As he has recently celebrated his 95th birthday we are extremely fortunate that George still finds the skill and energy to write for us! Long may he keep up the good work!</div>
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george
Dec 28, 2011#31
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Thank you for you kind message. My sight is not so good now but sometimes use a programme called Dragon Speak and the computer writes what I say. Sure, it makes a few mistakes, but not as many as my typing.
I do not think anybody would hit a boys bottom as hard as they could with a cane, certainly not bare. It was never a pleasant sight seeing a boy bending over and red weal marks appearing on his bottom as it was struck. To cane with full force would leave the most horrific marks and having seen one of these marks very much doubt if the caner could administer another stroke like it…..if he could he should not have been in the position to use a cane. Also, in most cases, a thin whippy cane was used and if this was applied with full force it was almost certain to snap. One point is often misunderstood. The cane did not have to be applied very hard to the bare bottom to make it really sting, and with not so much force as was needed to get the same sting on trousers and pants, it rarely did more than redden the buttocks leaving them marked for two or three days at the most.
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de Wolf
Dec 28, 2011#32
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Hi Brian ONC,

I’ve no idea whether you have children? I have, although they no longer are at school. While they were at school, and if they had broken the rules, and the said punishment had been CP, I would have accected that. What I wouldn’t accept is, if that CP had been on the bare, would you have?

I obviously cannot speak on your behalf, but I’m quite sure I speak for the vast majority of parents, and would never have requested a school to revert back to caning on the bare.

If one of my children had come home telling me they had been caned on the bare, and I had found out just prior to the caning their bottom had been closely examined, how do you think I would have reacted? I’ll tell you, I would have exploded, like again the vast majority.
So if that makes me disrespectful, guilty as charged.
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Dec 28, 2011#33
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Brian ONC. Spot on about george. Long may he keep up the good work! Questions related to the authenticity of bare bottom canings are far more credible than the female canings prof n have called into question. The latter warrant scrutiny but not the former.

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beanokid
Dec 28, 2011#34
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The STOPP book actually contains very few examples of bare bottom punishment, and since it was abolitionist book, it would naturally quote the worst examples it was aware of. The story of the whole class getting it bare is quoted because it was so unusual. It was a time when boys did PE in shorts and nothing else. The class had outrageously “played up” a student teacher, and their regular teacher decided to punish them all. The wierd thing was, that when he told the first boy to take his shorts down, the whole class took their shorts OFF, and only covered up when the whacking session was over. This was an all-male environment, presumably, ten minutes later they were all going to be naked in the showers together (for all we know, it was the kind of school where swimming lessons were naked: I find that really hard to imagine, but we know it was pretty common.) And it was only a couple of whacks with the slipper. All very nasty and as the book says, hard to imagine that the teacher was not getting off on it in some way, but a lot differenct from making a victim pull his trousers and pants down in and officer and giving him six with stick, even a whippy one. (And someone must have complianed about it, or how did STOPP hear it had happened.)

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george
Dec 28, 2011#35
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I never mind people questioning my posts. I have said before it was commom in the area i taught but by no means all over the country. A lot of doubt is raised because people just do not want it to be true, and think it cannot be true because they are basing it on todays views. If I caned boys today over clothing or bare I would, and very rightly be locked up. Go back a number of years this was not the case and heads were expected to cane and little was said about it being done bare or over clothing.Some heads rather cane on clothing, others bare. Some parents did not approve of bare caning but did not complain as it was regarded as being fair. No trousers with leather patche sown on the inside of the seat of trousers where the cane would land. This was common up to about 1950 as clothing was still rationed. A lot of these boys mothers worked in uniform factories and often managed to get rejected leather to sew on the almost thread bare seats of boys trousers. The leather would take all the sting out of the caning. Would this have been fair if some boys had almost thread bare trousers, no pants, and when they bent over the flesh on their bottoms could be seen. Parents would complain about this not being fair. Would you like it if your son felt the full sting of the cane but the other boy did not feel it at all. The point is nobody looking back in time can say how they would or would not have reacted unless they have full details of the area not just a general position.

I read the question of boys swimming lessons being carried out in the nude has been raised again. At the schools I was at this was never the case, but does not mean it did not happen elsewhere. I have good reason to believe that it, certainly in private boarding prep schools.If this happened today it would cause shock and horror, but not back in 1960. It was common for boys to swim nude in the lake near where I lived. As strange as it may sound a bye law related to this, saying that children could not use the lake naked on Sundays between 10:30 and 1PM and 6pm to 8pm. The reason was this was the time people were going to and from Church and wouls have to pass the lake. Look at children on holiday at the sea. Nudity was fairly commom.BY todays standards one would hardly believe it, but proof exists, just like it does for bare caning. nudity of children was regarded almost as the norm in many areas up to about 1960. Children were bathed in the kitchen in a large copper bath as they did not have a bathroom. People were coming and going all the time and nobody was worried by the sight of a nude child in the bath nor were children worried if they were seen. Many times up to about 1960 when the terrace houses were demolished has I been cycling down a road and heard the sound of dads strap being used on a boys bare bottom. one could see into the front rooms of terrace houses while on the bike and many times saw a nude boy, with bottom facing the window, stretched across the table with dad thrashing his bare bottom with a belt or strap. why was his bottom facing the window, surely it would have been better if this could not be seen and the boy was over the other end of the table. Simple. The bigger dresser was at the other end and when the belt was being used it might knock some of the best china may get brokeb. Nobody regarded it as wrong that a boy had his bottom thrashed. Today, just a light smack with the hand over clothing would result in a complaint being made to social services and the police. Judge things by societies views at the time not by ours today. Up to about 1980 boys used mass showers. Now they use private showers or are a.lowed to keepshorts on for modesty.In about twelty years time people will be doubting that boys were made, on mass, to shower nude in front of each other, but we all know it was true.
I think the suggestion that I studied boys bottoms intensely is just not true. You do not need to give a boys bottom more than a glace that you would need to do to aim a cane at it to see any spots on it. We are not talking little black heads bvut great boils or weal marks across it. Again the way the caning was carried out needs to be understood. They were not boys coming to my office, being told to bare their bottom and bend over for the cane from somebody that they had not seen before nore seen them naked. In the state junior school I took swimming and games. I saw every boy naked in the showers/changing room at least twice a week. That is in addition to the times they were swimming nude in the lake by my house and when I saw them getting thrashed on my way home or in the tub when I had a reason to call on their parents. In those days heads visited parents houses and nearly always took games. They did not spend the day in an office like todaysa heads. In the private prep boarding school I took games, swimming,boxing and saw the boys nude in the showers in the changing room as well as in the dorms when on house duty. It was not a case a boy having to bare all to a stranger. I think I can honestly say boys were not embarrassed about me making them take their trousers and pants down for the cane. all that worried them about this was they knew once told to do it they were not going to be let off and it stung on bare flesh.
The idea of parents asking for corporal punishment to be re-instated on the bare bottom rather than over clothing is a little strange, but full details need to be known.

Taking up the point about the gym class in STOPP book. I have had access to their archieve for research purposes. This case did not come to STOPPS attention due to a complaint from a parent. It was information given to STOPP by a teacher who was a STOPP member at the school and confirmed by one of the pupils concerned. STOPP in actual fact only use a handful of cases in the book “The Last Resort” but have hundreds accounts of corporal punishment. This includes cases of bare caning in state but mainly private schools. The reason they were not included in the book is that parents would not give permission for the details to be included. True, it was partly because they did not want bto be named (even if they were changed) but mostly because parents agreed with the punishment and only thought they were part of a general survey and only being told it was by a member of STOPP after the interview was over. The methods by which STOPP collected information has always been questioned. It is a great pity that all the information they collected is not in the public domain then people would realise, in certain parts of the country, bare punishment was common,

The idea of parents asking for corporal punishment to be re-instated on the bare bottom rather than over clothing is a little strange, but full details need to be known. The two other schools had changed their policy on corporal punishment. the Governors of my school did not want to appear not to be moving with the times, and more importantly listern to parents views. CP was an area of hot debate in the area. I know two new parents to the school objected to the fact that the cane was used on the bare bottom. It must be pointed out that neither had received it nor were they likely to do so as they were very well behaved. Having not got assurance from me that they would not be caned bare they tookj it to the Governors. They convinced the Governors, as it transpired by saying they represented the views of many (untrue)got the Governors to change the rules to only allow CP over clothing. They felt tthey were meeting the wishes of the parents who did not want CP abolished but not done bare. In the other two schools the move was to get it abolished and by not doing it bare at mny school was thought by the Governors to stop any move to get it abolished. No doubt discipline declined and the high standards were slipping. We had theft cases and for the first time bullying. At my suggestion a parent/staff/Govenors meeting was held. In this meeting it was spelt out clearly by me, that before long boys were going to be suspended or expelled. Parents were shocked by his statement but it was clear that the situation was getting serious and were heading the same way as the other two schools. It must be remembeed that a lot of these parents had been pupils at the school and indeed had been caned bare by me. One stool up, without any holding back demanded why bare punishment had been abolished as he was not aware that any parent whose boy had received it had ever complained. The governors responded by saying they had deceived a deputation from parents and it was clear that the majorirty did not want it to be done bare. At this shouts of “NO NO” were heard. The parent who started this and was chairman of the Parents Association asked those who were against bare punishment to put up their hands. The Governors cut him short saying that people may not state what they felt in a meeting. I was suggested that a letter be sent out asking parents to say if they were for or against bare punishment in the school. This was on a letter to all parents asking for people to stand for the Parents Association. I have just looked it up in my old diary. We had 574 boys at the achool. We had 541 forms returned. Of these only four objectted to corporal punishment being done bare and much prefered this than the cane being used on the hand or more boys suspended or expelled like what had happened at the other two schools. As i recall a lot wrote a note or something where this question was, saying they hoped their son would never be naughty enough to get it, provided it was only used for clear wrong doing like it had been in the past, they had no objections if their son had to take his trousers and pants down for the cane.At the next meeting the Governers reversed the rule and caning was again bare, and call me bias if you like the standard of discipline greatly improved very quickly.

I wuill discuss willingly any points readers may like to raise.
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Dec 28, 2011#36
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The boys grammar school (actually a direct grant school) that I attended in the early and mid 60’s had its own indoor swimming pool, and we had a swimming lesson once a week in the nude. Nobody thought much about it – it was just accepted as a normal thing.

On one occasion during a swimming lesson when we would have been about 13 or 14, three boys who had been talking when they should have been listening to the teacher had to bend over and touch their toes and were each given a whack with a cricket bat (yes I’m serious!) across the bare backside. The first boy to get it was unlucky as the teacher evidently gave a rather harder whack than he meant to and he had a bright crimson circular mark on his left cheek, which I reckon must have taken several days to fade. (I remember he said the next day that it was still sore then.) The other two boys got more moderate whacks and just had bright pink marks, which would probably have faded in a day or two.

The school is now an independent school. I don’t know whether swimming lessons there are still done in the nude nowadays, but I rather doubt it. Times have changed since the 60’s!
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george
Dec 28, 2011#37
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
That response rate would be good today but do remember that this was a private prep school. One of my grandsons is a head at a prep school and he gets over 95% return rate to anything that he sends out that needs a response. I think, and this may upset a few people, that as a whole community parents with pupils at private schools are far more interested in the school than those with children in the State system. The School Open Day, The Christmas Carol Service, The School Fate and the various fund raising events were always very well attended, certainly far higher than in the State School.

One interesting thing I did not state in my last post. As I said two parents objected to bare punishment in the first instant had boys that were never caned. On the vote two others joined them and made it known they were very much against it, but would support the caning of their sons on trousers and pants.About two years after this vote, the issue had died down both in my school and in the area, but I kept the four names in my mind. It was almost inevitable that one of the four would do something wrong that needed punishment by the cane. It did happen. One of the four along with five others others were caught with fireworks in school which was against all the rules. The whole school had been warned in assembly about this just a few days before, and anybody caught would get six of the cane. This warning was given following problens the year before and shop keepers were allowed then to sell fireworks to children.

I was faced with a problem. I had to give them all the same punishment. Did I go back on what I said and use another punishment other than the cane? Did break the norm and cane either on the hands or over trousers and pants ? Should I ignore the parent that was against caning on the bare bottom ? It was a problem and while knowing it may cause problems with the parent who opposed bare caning, I judged it would cause even more if I did not cane or allowed clothing. All six boys, who were twelve years old, without complaint or hesitation took their trousers and pants down when told to do so and bent over for six strokes across their bare bottom. I was expecting an upset parents charging in to see me the next day if not that night. To this day I do not know why but heard nothing from her. Did she try to get support from the other five that had been caned and when she did not get this decided not to complain? Did her husband gell er it was deserved and not to make a fuss? Did she not know he had been caned ? Did she not hear about it from other parents. I find that this was unlikely as mothers often met and had a good gossip, often used to my advantage. Did she not notice when he came home that he sat down with great care? Did she not see the marks on his bottom which I would think mjst have remained between 7 and 10 days ? Did her son not say anything ? Not a word was heard and was one of the big mysteries that have never been solved
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george
Dec 29, 2011#38
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I think you make the same point as me…..times have changed and we should not judge the pre 1960 era by our standards today. Just like many refuse to believe bare caning went on, give it another ten years and people will not believe nude swimming was compulsory in some schools. The reason being not that many people will be able to remember that far back or sadly still be alive. Just like bare caning, nude swimming in schools is not a well documented thing. The reason it is not documented was that it was regarded as the norm in that area. Unless a book is written about that school it will appear that it is more fantasy than fact. It will be just like bare caning because it is not often mentioned many doubt if it actually took place. I myself do not really know why schools made boys swim in the nude. The only explanation came from my grandson who said it was done to prevent boys having wet swimming trunks in their school bags and damaging school books…..the only other explanation is, like those that caned bare they must have liked seekng bogs in the nude, and I doubt if that was the case. Has anybody else got ideas as to why boys were in certain schools made to swim in the nude…..did it have an advantages?
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beanokid
Dec 29, 2011#39
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
There is more nudity in all male environments than in mixed environments. Men wear trunks because they’ve been brought up not to display their willies in front of women; once they go into the changing rooms (where its only men) they take them off. So in a boys school, or the army, or the YMCA, it would seem a bit odd to use trunks to cover yourself up. “Who are you hiding it from?” people would say. It is possible that as people have become more aware of, and accepting of, homosexuality, men have become more “shy”: perhaps even in all-male environments men want to keep their willies covered up becasue they think the person looking at them could be gay.
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Dec 31, 2011#40
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
i was raised in the midlands uk during the 1970s and was caned on several occassions at school starting from the age of 12. caning was always done in the privacy of the headmasters office, given 2 or 3 strokes on the bottom with a witness present. i would have had time on occassion to pad my bottom by extra shorts or underpants but never dared to as im quite sure that when bent over he would have seen the outline of the padding. i had to bend right over and sometimes with a little press on my shoulder from his fingers and him saying a little further. would never have got away with it and if i tried and was caught , they would have to be lowered. we boys at that time all wore the same uniform and the trousers offered no protection as they were so thin ,it may as well have been given bare. i was never caned bare but had the head insisted i would have had no choice. on the subject of nudity, we were always naked at some point, in the school shower, at the swimming baths, doctors medicals and so on. changing and showers were all shared and there was always a teacher there, sometimes the headmaster was present if he took the lesson. this was all normal to me during my childhood and i did have a good childhood…
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2013holyfamilypenguin
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Nov 28, 2014#41
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Corey Lynn about to gets her first paddling as a senior a year ago.

Getting swats tomorrow..looks like I’ll be wearing a lot of layers.

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‪Did the swats hurt? How many layers did you end up wearing?‬

Haha I wore 3 layers! But I think they forgot about them..so I ended up not getting any!

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‪Whatever. Spoiled. One swat don’t hurt. Especially over jeans. I got 3 with only leggings on. Ouch!‬

Yeah it didn’t hurt haha and that sucks!

You’ve become a celebrity on here !!!! How many swats did you get ???‬‎

Haha I know! Idk why people care so much about it! And I just got one

‪Hey, have fun the rest of the year. Rules are made to be broken. “Well-Behaved Women Seldom Make History”‬

haha wise words..I’ll try.

Well I don’t see how you can complain too much about being spanked if it’s your own choice to sleep in and take swats instead of getting out of bed for early morning detention. lol But good luck getting to school and class on time the rest of the year.‬

I never complained about the swats? And I don’t need you to preach to me..but thank you for your consideration.

‪But then why don’t you just choose morning detention instead of a swat? Is it one morning detention for each swat?‬

I can’t get there at 8, much less 7:30 lol I’d rather just take a swat. And I’m not really sure..probably.

‪I can see why you don’t like the new tardy policy. Did CHS administrators announce why they decided to start using swats to reduce tardiness this year? Was the student body OK with that? Do you have to accept the swats or can you choose ISS, Saturday School or something else instead?‬

No idt they announced it..it just kinda happened. And I guess they don’t really have a say in it. So it doesn’t matter if we like it or not. And yes, you can choose morning detention instead of swats.

‪What do you think about swats for tardiness? Is it new this year at CHS?‬

Well considering I’m tardy a lot..I don’t really like it. And yes it’s new this year.

‪You had a close call with getting swats yesterday, but are you off the hook? Maybe they will remember today, when you’re not wearing extra layers? Gonna get to class on time from now on to avoid getting swats in the future?‬

I’ll probably get them today..I’m only wearing jeans so that should be fun. And yes, I’m gonna try to get to class on time. I’ll probably still be late tho

‪Did the swats hurt? How many layers did you end up wearing?‬

Haha I wore 3 layers! But I think they forgot about them..so I ended up not getting any!

‪Have you ever been paddled in school ???‬‎ ‪

Lol nope

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Nov 28, 2014#42
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B

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2013holyfamilypenguin
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Dec 02, 2015#43
I imagine the biggest danger of being caught came from the different sound extra padding would cause, which any experienced practitioner would have picked up on. Extra underpants would result in an obvious second “panty line” so the only padding possible would be PE or football shorts, which you might have got away with as long as you weren’t made to bend over very tightly, such as in the touching toes position.

The question remains whether or not the small reduction in pain a thin pair of shorts would provide was worth the risk of being found out and getting extra strokes or maybe even a second caning on a sore bottom later in the day or the next day. I never knew anyone who risked it, even if they were expecting a caning. Pretty much as Edward Bear has said, the best you could do was put on your thickest fluffiest pair of underpants and, in the unlikely event that you possessed more than one pair of school shorts, avoid wearing the pair which had worn thin and shiny at the seat.
Prof Lille is a foxy duck but at least this curly red hair blushing maid with her head bowed can murmur shyly about her petticoat padding.

The St. Louis Republic.

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KKxyz
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Aug 28, 2016#44
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The kinetic energy density (Joules per unit area) and diameter of paintballs is similar to those of school canes. Padding and protective clothing are often worn by paintball protagonists. They seem well aware of the usefulness of air gaps and tend to wear thick loose-fitting clothes if not specially made clothes. One website advises the wearing of two pairs of loose-fitting sweatpants and avoiding all skin-tight clothing. Paintballers tend to be more concerned with protecting their frontside rather than their backside.

If anyone has protective clothing I would be interested in details of the seat area.

US$100 protection:
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Aug 29, 2016#45
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
Many seemed to have noticed that the cane hurts a lot when applied to tight clothing. Some bizarre theories have been advanced as to why. Some have suggested that the tight clothes keep the heat in. Others believe that ordinary clothing provides significant protection unless stretched tight.

Note the following posts that provide more plausible explanations of the phenomena:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1025863733
Jul 5, 2002

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1068123653
Nov 6, 2003

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1269215038
Mar 22, 2010

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1359396223
Jan 28, 2013

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1386163699
Dec 4, 2013

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1386193783
Dec 4, 2013

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1386269649
Dec 5, 2013

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1386260344
Dec 5, 2013

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1402122353
Jun 7, 2014

http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/m … 1419715600
Dec 27, 2014
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Aug 29, 2016#46
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
I do not want to be cluttering the estimable Forum with prior postings but occasionally some links deserve a second link. These two NY Times links refer to paddng from the latter part of the nineteenth century.

July 19, 1880

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January 20, 1882

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Aug 31, 2016#47
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B
The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.

A Funnier Side To Being Caned – or, How To Enjoy Corporal Punishment.

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The Legend of Sleep Hollow.

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Ichabod Crane’s school’s corporal punishment policy (verboten). This is legalese standard language.

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This video was posted on CP Lighter Side thread.

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KKxyz
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Jun 03, 2017#48
To be effective, padding must either absorb the energy of the cane or must spread it over a large area.

“Spreading” requires the padding to be rigid, like medieval armour. Such rigid protection is certain to be detected and would be uncomfortable to wear.

The final and perhaps most practical protection would be provided by thick compressible material of suitable resistance to compression and weight.

Cycle helmets and modern cars protect their occupants by absorbing energy and being destroyed in the process. (I was once in a car that was involved in a multi-car pile up. We suffered very little force and the airbags did not inflate. However, the car crumpled up around us to the dismay of the rental company.) Sacrificial padding would fail under repeated strokes.
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Armour must either absorb kinetic energy or spread it over a large surface area to be effective.

Uranium metal underwear (see posting of Dec 22, 2011 above) is not readily available and likely to be uncomfortable to wear.

Oobleck (aqueous suspensions of corn starch) may be a useful alternative. The material behaves like a liquid at low shear and a solid, although not an especially strong one, at high shear. Has anyone experimented with it? I recently heard it mentioned by a person who re-enacts medieval combat.
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Jun 03, 2017#49
The movie clip, Line of Fire showed boys being caned justabout standing straight. Later in the clip the main character made himself a pad which he placed in the seat of his trousers before being caned.

Ted B

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KKxyz
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Aug 25, 2017#50
Many seemed to have noticed that the cane hurts a lot when applied to tight clothing. Some bizarre theories have been advanced as to why. Some have suggested that the tight clothes keep the heat in. Others believe that ordinary clothing provides significant protection unless stretched tight.