Scholars Corner

Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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American Way
Apr 05, 2009#2
Corporal punishment in colonial times in our nation’s history is often overlooked as in this excerpt from Boston Latin School with links for Latin lovers as follow.

Otis also told his granddaughter about an “old Latin School ditty” that linked the punishments to the grammar lessons:
Hic haec hoc, strap him to the block;
Noun and pronoun, pull his breeches down,
Verb and participle, the rod begins to whistle.
Another Latin School alumnus recalled how another boy “pronounced the P in P-tolemy, and the younger Lovell rapped him over the head with a heavy ferule.

http://www.universalhub.com/node/6002

http://boston1775.blogspot.com/2006/09/ … onial.html

http://boston1775.blogspot.com/2006/10/ … study.html

 

 

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Another_Lurker
Apr 05, 2009#3
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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American Way, you say in your post above:

with links for Latin lovers

Well there’s at least two of them on this estimable Forum, as I know to my cost! However, one of them may still be away on a lengthy business trip.
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Nero
Apr 09, 2009#4
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hello, A-L. Yes, still here in Australia (back in the UK in two weeks time), though I’ve now at least managed to get my full Internet access restored, so I can start catching up on what’s been happening. It feels strange to be having Good Friday in autumn, but Happy Easter to you nonetheless.
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Another_Lurker
Apr 09, 2009#5
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi Nero, great to hear from you, and a Happy Easter to you too. It will be good to have you back regularly on this estimable Forum, and I look forward to it.
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American Way
Apr 18, 2009#6
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Thought provoking.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/255891/The-Ca … -in-Guyana

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American Way
Apr 19, 2009#7
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Guyana addendum.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/news/l … two-years/
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American Way
Apr 21, 2009#8
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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It is good to read a recently published scholarly work that I can wholeheartedly agree with. I hope you find the article as worthwhile as I did. Below is the link for the article and the abstract. As promised it will be under this link that my contributions will be coming in the ensuing months. I would appreciate feedback especially from Doctor Dominum.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsB … 226573#reg

Abstract:

The Science and Statistics Behind Spanking Suggest that Laws Allowing Corporal Punishment are in the Best Interests of the Child

Jason M. Fuller
Akron Law Review

Akron Law Review, Vol. 42, No. 243, 2009

Abstract:

Anti-spanking laws are proposed and passed with the hope that they will create a “cultural spillover” of non-violence, and a society that does not need correction. While such lawmaking may seem harmless, even commendable, the empirical data indicate that a spanking ban is a grave mistake.

With spanking bans have come increased rates of child abuse, aggressive parenting, and youth violence. Criminal records suggest that children raised under a spanking ban are much more likely to be involved in crime than other children. Accordingly, almost thirty years after Sweden became the world’s first country to ban spanking, six out of ten Swedish children now feel vulnerable at school, and just as many have been victims of youth violence.

Perhaps it is no surprise that the methodologically sound research suggests that spanking is not harmful, and is often more helpful than other common discipline methods. On average, spanking seems to reduce aggression, defiance, and antisocial behavior better than mental punishments like timeout, reasoning, privilege removal, threats, verbal power assertion, ignoring, love withdrawal, or diverting. Indeed, the most friendly, stable, and competent children tend to come from “authoritative” families — families that raise children with love, firm guidance, and at least occasional spanking.

Nevertheless, spanking’s successes are largely ignored. Many philosophically oppose corporal punishment and praise spanking bans, but few honestly consider the entire body of child discipline statistics. Therefore, in this rapidly changing area of the law that lies at the heart of our children’s education and future, only one side of the story is being told.
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Doctor Dominum
Apr 21, 2009#9
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Well, I’d have to see the whole article to really comment – and from what I can see, the Akron Law Review for 2009 won’t be available in most Australian Universities until 2010 (they seem to get it on an annual basis) so that may be a while. But looking at the abstract, a lot of what is said there matches my opinions and what I’ve had to say about a lot of research in the past.

Many of the studies used to claim corporal punishment is a bad idea contain significant methodological flaws. Some of these should have been picked up at the time the study was done (ie, classifying a single smack on the bottom as being equivalent to beating a child around the head with the metal part of a vacuum cleaner), while others were somewhat understandable (for example, failing to consider that boys and girls might react very differently to corporal punishment for genuine non-socially oriented reasons). Other studies are not obviously flawed but only applied to particular groups, and have since been taken as if they apply much more broadly – a study into the attitudes of American toddlers towards corporal punishment shouldn’t automatically be assumed to have any relevance of all to the attitudes of Australian teenagers.

Studies that show normative corporal punishment as being effective and unlikely to be harmful are ignored – Johnson, Simons, and Conger; Deater-Deckard and Dodge; Hughes, Deater-Deckard, and Cutting – they get ignored and they put their careers at some risk in some cases by not pushing the status quo. We get false or unproven claims (such as Miller’s claim that Hitler was beaten as a child) repeated over and over again until they are considered mainstream truths.

There is considerable research that normative corporal punishment works in many cases. There’s also the commonsense approach of people’s own anecdotes – yes, there are people who don’t think it worked for them and their views should be taken seriously. But so should the views of those who say it did work for them. Taken together, the logical conclusion is it works for some and doesn’t work for others. So what do we do?

If it’s available as an option, it doesn’t have to be used on those it doesn’t work on. Having it available as an option doesn’t have to negatively impact them (although it could if not handled properly). Eliminating it as an option, on the other hand, guarantees that those who would benefit are negatively impacted.

Abolition guarantees a negative impact on some people. Allowing it carries a risk of negative impact, certainly, but no guarantee.

A risk of negative impact is better than a guarantee of negative impact.

Personally I advocate a great deal of care be taken to mitigate the risk and unless it can be get at a low level, I’ll even support abolition as the lesser of two evils. But I believe the risk can be managed well – and in that case, abolition is the greater of two potential evils.

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American Way
Apr 21, 2009#10
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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No need to wait to 2010, it’s ready to download today at the url I gave.

The Science and Statistics Behind Spanking Suggest that Laws Allowing Corporal Punishment are in the Best Interests of the Child | Show Abstract Hide Abstract | Download |
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American Way
Apr 24, 2009#11
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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May 29, 1741 publication of a 30 page book entitled Shameful Discipline about SCP is found in the below link. It’s the oldest I have come across. It’s quite easy to read in the Flip Book mode and in your zoom preference. For whatever reason Toronto under the Canadian Libraries surpasses American Libraries for online books.

http://www.us.archive.org/GnuBook/?id=s … wclouoft#0
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American Way
May 15, 2009#12
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Lyman Cobb (1800-1864) was the leading competitor of Noah Webster as an author of spelling books. In 1847 he daringly wrote against corporal punishment against the tide. Cobb wrote: Read carefully, reflect candidly: then but not till then, approve or condemn the following work.

In 1983 corporal punishment went into free fall in the United States and now Texas and Mississippi are states that account for 40 percent of the 223,190 children who were paddled at least once during the 2006-2007 school year. Carl Sommer daringly wrote for corporal punishment in 1983 and IMHO too often knee jerk reactions lead to a counter productive herd mentality so everyone should read carefully, reflect candidly: then but not till then, approve or condemn the following works. Too often knee jerk reactions lead to a counter productive herd mentality.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3-4KAA … t&resnum=1

http://books.google.com/books?id=41H-KZ … t&resnum=8
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American Way
May 18, 2009#13
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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As I stated in the beginning I would post under Scholars Corner from time to time. First to clear the air with Doctor Dominum, Doc Ive been told by my former colleagues on the school board that they would not think twice about hiring you despite your use of SCP in the past. They have found your postings informative and feel that nothing you have written has shown a prurient interest and as I said before I agree with them on that point. The fact that some teachers in your running list didnt cane as often raised some flags, rightly or wrongly. As DHM are you called upon to punish other students than your own as school administrators are here? Hence, where there is smoke there is fire may not fairly apply. I strongly suspect you have the best interests of your charges in mind but I feel that discipline matrices prepare a youngster for the real world such as a getting a speeding ticket and facing the same consequences depending on how over the limit you are. A sore spot with me under my new travel duties!!! Im glad they dont have JCP here!!!

The tailoring of the consequence to an offense based on your knowledge of the boy removes the likelihood of lapsing in judgment about the positive or negative impact of choosing to cane or not to cane. Im sure you have had regrets in some cases with the benefit of hindsight. Judging the positive or negative effect of caning on the student obviously is imprecise even with your years of experience. If a kid shouldnt be caned they can be exempted, absolutely and not selectively, in the beginning of every year. By being the parents choice the onus of unfairness is placed on the parents and not upon the teacher. Oddly, no one favors TWP with SCP in the primary school (size and innocence) but they did in the upper grades to maintain a learning environment. They also think its discriminatory and girls should not be exempted from paddling. They American girls saw the picture of the Malaysian girls palms and thought that was awful being so use to the paddle in the South. The younger the woman the more they favored SCP because paddling was so rare and the kids at school were so bad. They went to schools where it was on the books but rarely employed and never a man paddling a girl and one said it wasnt allow when she went to school in the eighties without anything said about it in the handbook. The youngest was paddled by a man at a Christian school and seemed to have no objection. He prayed with her. Sounds sick to my way of thinking!!! She is the least Christian of them all but who am I to judge? The second youngest was the most opposed to SCP from India who had to contend with the chair and the duster from her brutal male PT teacher. I cant imagine her doing anything wrong. The ensuing links show her school and talks about her teacher. She is the tall girl in pigtails directly behind the teacher.

http://khs1995.blogspot.com/2006/04/cla … phase.html

She said being caned was especially embarrassing if you cried in front of the boys. She knew college students who were caned for breaking curfew in a Catholic Teaching College in Bangalore. Guys on the bum (as she put it) and girls on the hands but from the same gender and always in private so she thought it was no big deal. She has a great sense of humor and said she has more padding now and would choose the bum. She talked about Murga as in this link.

http://dimdima.com/forumnw/message.asp? … Punishment
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Another_Lurker
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May 18, 2009#14
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi American Way. A most interesting post, thank you. I am pleased to see that your former colleagues on the school board echo my opinion regarding Doctor Dominum, who sadly has been much abused in this estimable Forum.

I am unclear if the young women you mention are amongst your former colleagues. However, I am in full agreement with you regarding the practise in some Christian schools of administering corporal punishment to children and then praying with them. I would find it very difficult to define exactly why I find this unpleasant, but I do.

You say that the Indian lady mentioned Murga (sometimes spelt Murgha) punishments. This combination of painful posture and public humiliation seems to be widely used on the Indian Sub-Continent, from the police through schoolteachers to parents, but as far as I can see is not used elsewhere. I used a discussion of it to introduce an element of reality into a wildly fantastical fun poster thread here last November. You’ll find my post on the subject at 02:40 on 29 November 2008 in the ‘Coodgee Piers’ thread here

Least anyone is tempted to research Murga following your posting above, I’ll repeat the warning I gave in November. The Dimdima forum you quote is quite safe, although a little difficult to decipher. However several other Indian forums discussing the subject are used to drop Trojans on unsuspecting visitors, so beware!
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American Way
May 19, 2009#15
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Dropping trojans!!! I do like that phrase. The Christian school graduate recently joined the Board so she was not my colleague but did weigh in on the matter. She is not one of the more popular members. The only evidence of her love of God or neighbor is found in the perspiration caused by her carrying the Good Book under her arm. The thought of praying and paddling as sanctifying is beyond me but I’m not as wise as Solomon!!!

Firn the most part I have refrained from joining those members of this esteem Forum who have berated Dr Dominum. Some of our differences involve language. He caned a bare bottom and not spanked one with the palm of his hand, a small difference to some but calmed me down considerably. I do think far too much time and energy is spent on investigating him. Suffice it to say he is a part of this esteem Forum for weal or for woe depending on your perspective. He is tired of talking about it as I’m sure others are.

In a school the size he teaches and for the high standards they demand the frequency of the sanctions applied to the offenses is within the range of being normal. I’m glad he is teaching in a secondary school. Like him I think, I prefer to err on the challenging side than the enabling side when it comes to discipline. Why some teachers (like DD perhaps because of age) would be more prone to cane than others, judging by the running list, or why some boys would be caned while others not by the same teacher for the same offense may taint a child’s view as seen to be the case of our posters about their teachers who strapped, slippered, caned or paddled. In the USA, Australia and Malaysia, see link below, we’re talking about tomorrow’s memories which I hope will be fonder than many found here. Fairness and severity play such a large part. The pendulum doesnt always swing one way as seen in Malaysia as of May 10th for the girls from Corpun 2007 and maybe even in the UK (Restore Order Measure 3) some day?

http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/bnm/2009 … 3ba14.html

http://www.corpun.com/mys00711.htm

http://restoreorder.tripod.com/id23.html
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May 19, 2009#16
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi American Way, you say:

Dropping Trojans!!! I do like that phrase.

Yes, nice phrase, nasty habit, and one which if you are not protected can severely damage your wealth and your social well-being, to say nothing of your operating system and your credibility with your ISP!

More interesting links, thank you. You certainly get around the web! The Restore Order site is interesting, but I’m afraid being so obviously hosted on Tripod doesn’t give it much credibility. If they can’t even afford their own domain name they don’t amount to much!

They certainly seem to be having problems with schoolgirls in parts of Asia. Judging by the agitation to reintroduce caning for them one gets the impression that they must make our UK ladettes look quite tame!
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May 19, 2009#17
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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It is an interesting observation about tripod. I haven’t found anything updated on the site since 2008 and while tripod forbids ads I am always leery about contacting them to foster any advocacy group that quotes a “Mister Poll” on the issue of school corporal punishment. The Members of the Parliament approved by a few votes the SCP ban back when. Like a fire burning even if there are embers (220,000) children in a land of over 300,000,000 it’s easier to build than from scratch. The UK was not as keen on banning it as other European countries but not surprisingly, given the increase of classroom misbehavior, so many teachers, more I am sure than MP favors overturning the ban, even taking in fact the number of young teachers who have only heard about it. How vocal must the teachers be and how out of control must the students be before change is considered? Note the sensible paddle preference over the cane for secondary school students. I don’t know how that will go over in the UK. Like the United States understandably the secondary schools is where SCP is most used and unlike many other areas of the world the target (bottom) is the same for both genders where and when they need need to make the most impact.

The Restore Order site is more interesting in many ways than TWP because it puts the narrow issue of corporal punishment into a broader context of teaching and reaches out beyond the South and smaller children. This website should be of more interests than most posters here who are not from the USA. Has anyone from here encountered this website before? Would anyone consider asking the RESTORE ORDER folks to contact this esteem Forum? TWP contact here generated interest in their website. Measure 3 below is just as it says one measure among others to restore order.

To reintroduce a SAFE and sensible monitored system of corporal punishment to be carried out only by a Head Teacher or authorised officer and subject to parental consent. Parents who disagree may opt out.

The proposal is that for certain offences, corporal punishment (CP) may be administered by an authorised person. This should be for two types of offence: serious and persistent. Pupils may only be caned by a same-sex adult.

It is suggested that the Government could introduce corporal punishment on a trial basis in a small number of schools and that parents would have the choice to opt out. Those that don’t agree with it therefore would be placated. In the long term, perhaps parents could have a choice of schools: CP or Non-CP. Surveys have shown that 50-70% of parents are in now in favour of corporal punishment because they have watched standards plummet in the last 20 years. (see Polls)

There are certain pupils in every school who are not bad by nature, but persistently commit a multitude of small disruptions or offences. It is proposed that when detention, lines and internal exclusion has failed, [as it HAS in many cases], then a final stage – corporal punishment should be used.

We believe that mild corporal punishment (such as a ruler on the hand) should be used in Primary schools, again administered by authorised persons and with the approval of parents or guardians for persistent or serious offences only.

The problem with the present system is that despite all of the arguments, no one can deny that for some pupils ‘words have no effect.’ Some children cannot be reasoned with, and in fact they will continue to destroy other people’s education until an assertive and definite message, such as a smack, makes it clear: your behaviour is not acceptable. If the worst a pupil gets is a telling off or a detention then many pupils think that they have ‘got away with it’ and therefore they continue.

At secondary level the same is true. Words have no effect. Some children cannot be reasoned with. It is this minority that ruin it for everyone else. A telling off or a detention DOES NOT WORK and is clearly not working right now.

In many American states today, ‘the paddle’ is being used. We suggest that Britain adopts a similar tool for secondary level. A wide wooden implement will not leave marks and yet it can still hurt. For the penalty to be effective it should be administered with enough pressure to make it hurt. If it does not hurt, there is danger that the message will not get through.

We are not advocating beatings or unfair punishments. Stories from the past show that abuse did go on. Lessons from the past also show us that education standards were very much higher and the reason for this is obvious – children were listening in silence while the teacher talked and questions could be answered without interruption.

The anti-smacking campaigners often say that corporal punishment will only teach children to respond with violence. No! For a minority, words have no effect. These children cannot be reasoned with.

A smack is the most natural thing in the world. In the animal kingdom, if a cub that falls out of line, it gets a cuff and soon learns. A young child that gets a smack on the hand soon learns to stop bad behaviour. We’re not talking about child abuse. It is true that the majority of children don’t need corporal punishment – therefore those that are well-behaved won’t get it. The intention is to stop those children who persistently cause trouble – those children who simply laugh at the present pathetic system – and how right they are to laugh.

The greatest harm comes to those that don’t get a smack when they badly need it. How unkind it is to let that child grow up without knowing the difference between right and wrong! How unkind it is to let that child ruin other people’s education! How stupid it is for us to watch as those children learn that when they are violent, adults respond with another ‘telling off.’ They soon learn that a detention or a telling off means nothing. In fact, if they accuse a teacher of pushing them or God forbid ‘touching them inappropriately’ the teacher will be immediately suspended and may risk jail.

Let us see an end to this ridiculous political correctness. Some people say we will never see a return of corporal punishment. We say it is only a matter of time before the Government will have no choice. The reintroduction of corporal punishment as a final measure is perfectly possible if those parents who want it (50-70%) say YES. Parents want that choice.
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Jun 01, 2009#18
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Whipping Therapy.

http://www.addictioninfo.org/articles/2 … Page1.html

http://parishiltonatemyferret.blogspot. … n-and.html

http://www.corpun.com/ruj00503.htm
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Jun 03, 2009#19
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Back to my research. The second link rivals names from Wales!!! I hope you in the UK appreciate my humor. My Dad of blessed memory loved the hospitality of Wales as opposed to England in WWII, of course his parents were born in Ireland.

As of 2009-MAY, the only European country to allow corporal punishment in both the home and school is Switzerland. Corporal punishment against them (BGE 117 lV 18), and corporal punishment in schools is prohibited by federal law, pursuant to cantonal legislation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm

Corporal punishment against them (BGE 117 lV 18), and corporal punishment in schools is prohibited by federal law, pursuant to cantonal legislation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6pfWJ_ … ult&resnum

 

 

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Jun 03, 2009#20
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Furthermore, many cantonal school laws do not contain any interdiction of corporal punishment inflicted by teachers. On the contrary: The Regulation concerning obligatory Schooling in the Canton of Zurich (Verordnung betreffend das Volksschulwesen des Kantons Zürich) considers corporal punishment «excusable in special cases, in particular when the teacher has been provoked». Many other cantonal school laws or regulations do not explicitly mention the subject of corporal punishment. Thia from a better link on Swiss SCP. Which countries in Europe would be most likely to have retained SCP without Eurupe interdiction? Scotland?

http://www.violencestudy.org/europe-ca/ … erland.pdf
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Jun 12, 2009#21
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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New Zealand Corporal Punishment

http://www.nzfamilies.org.nz/download/nicola-taylor.pdf
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Jun 13, 2009#22
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Second link is vintage corporal punishment postcard from a small rural schools in Hopkinsville, KY, in a county where CP is still practiced 100 years later. The first link puts it into context.

http://csaa.typepad.com/country_school_ … der-i.html

http://www.vintagepostcards.org/hopkins … -4576.html
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Jun 30, 2009#23
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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This scholarly medical research can be applied salubriously or salaciously Perhaps strictly off topic but does pertain to corporal punishment to the bathing suit area.

http://www.hotlanta.com/sirreal/BDSMScience.htm
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Changing the Terms of Authority in Islamic Law: The Punishment for Drinking Wine.

http://www.yale.edu/cir/2004/fopwis.doc
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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FYI Part 2

www.insidesaudi.com/whippingwomen.html
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Perfecting the Paddle: Michel Foucaults Genealogy of Disciplinary Power, the Decline of Corporal Punishment in Schools, and the Move toward More Pervasive Forms of Discipline by James E. Radford, Jr.

http://www.educationlawconsortium.org/f … adford.pdf

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Jan 18, 2010#27
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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It may be of the little interest to the UK but this 2008 book linked below is where most college students should begin if they were doing a paper and it would be a source that I would recommend. We are not helping their cause it’s a free book nor are we by reading it. Scholars cannot call themselves scholars if they cherry pick.

One of the chief tools of the anti CP school zealots is the HRW. They have deep pockets and their effort to cherry pick their studies the footnotes and anecdotes are well worth reading. This is a Google Book that is complete one. As I have mentioned on many occasions once it gets on Internet Archives (may or may not in the near future) it will be in a more readable format.

Dr Dominum With so few countries in the world practicing school corporal punishment has the HRW spread ots tentacles in your neck of the woods? Do you have any of their materials?

http://books.google.com/books?id=Msnz7- … navlinks_s
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Jan 18, 2010#28
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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American Way,

At last someone other than me has discovered Foucault. Remember Jackie first suggested I read it in the 70’s = hardly fare for a fifth former – when I dared to challenge some decisions she took on discipline in the school ( sometimes I was really precocious: many of her contemporaries might well have just caned me for daring to ask!!!!). This had an awful lot to do with my radicalisation.

It wasn’t until much later that I understood that Foucault could only really be read within his own epistemology ( the order of things : the archaeology of knowledge), and is at one and the same time a radical liberal whose base is quite conservative, and whose conclusions challenge unordered society.

When I got to university the fact that a first year student had read Foucault made me stand out somewhat, particularly when they found out I actually understood it. His analysis of Bentham in particularly is especially underrated .This concept of observation led directly to my commitment to the cause of information freedom and to sit in , in the senate house and Vice Chancellors office suite. No idea then that twenty years later the roles could be reversed, with me as th authority figure………in my case we won!!! I have a lot of empathy AW with the ‘Strawberry Statement’- the logistics of sit in are substantial , keeping the students in , interested, fed and watered : and the authorities out……and getting your message out….but Foucault helps at least at a level of metatheory!!!!??????

It also helped with my first lectureship where , I am told it passed to folklaw that one member of the interview panel said :

‘I dont know who on earth these guys Foucault , Althusser and Lacan are , but their work sounds very erudite…..but at least he seems to understand what he’s going on about , he gets my vote’

Well thats a bit about Foucault’s influence on me !

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

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prof n I pale in comparison to your broad knowledge second only to <b>Dr Dominum IMHO. Thanks for posting on this recently resurrected thread scholars corner (since September). What a broad spectrum we have here both in theory and experience as well of course of opinions!!! Just look at Christmas pussle and se if you can find that under any other forum on corporal punishment or tolerate my surreal postings or even try to understand them. Such patience and persistency is commendable. Part ee cummings and James Joyce I am not.

Alan Turing I pale in comparison with bachelors in physics but I got enough into it to discover its charms . I co-matriculated arts/science honors so I fixated on Heisenberg’s Uncertainty principle and Einstein’s God does not play dice famed quote fascinated me.. I aced a classical mechanics course because algebra was my first love. Yes, a high school nun turned me on who was in her seventies (born before the turn of the century). When she made quadratic equations come alive with variables like filling a leaking swimming pool. She would send the girls to the blackboard and make them right out the equation (the first problem at the end of the chapter the first question in Who Wants to be a Millionaire) and would lightly tap them on the back of their calves (only thing allowed to be exposed) so every student learned something.

I’m not saying I’m a genius but they didn’t have pre-calculus so in my senior year I had to self teach myself from a textbook. Because I was among the top twelve applicants in Science Honors as senior in high school I got to take Calculus in the summer before my freshman year. So in the fall I could take differential equations. When I studied the French mathematicians and to a lesser extent the Italians I realized that theories like “ether” explained nothing because the math didn’t catch up with explaining physical phenomenon yet. Also the leap between Newton (I loved him but I knew he had frictionless billiard balls that didn’t relate to reality so wasn’t really all that helpful) and the score of early 20th centuries geniuses who gave the world more shoulders to stand on came because of progress in math. It is the young you have both the agility of mind and ask the right questions.

I believe the chaos theory and subsequent breakthroughs (I don’t keep up like you Alan Turing will be of great value but is one step at a time closer to explain the universe from its singularity to now and predict the future but without knowledge based on a suspicion of the present and new hypothesis we will always be making superfluous presumptions leading to false conclusions.

On a lighter note the Algebra teacher taps on the calves (makes it on topic for this estimable Forum) gave me hopes that it would escalate beyond that but it never did. She was a pioneer in dealing with math anxiety problem for schoolgirls. Not having men to teach boys a course on Christian family life our Algebra teacher taught the only class of boys. She said after you meet her parents what should be the next room you should be thinking about. After a period of silence because no one had a clue she said: “her bedroom After we all cracked up she said with a twinkle in her eye: “But not for what you’re thinking”. Her mother does the housekeeping in the rest of the house and if her bedroom is a mess just extrapolates. Now I taught you all extrapolate so everyone here should not what that means.

The chair of our Catholic college physics department was a priest and he was very proud of a fellow one. I would value any comment or I’m sure countless clarifications from the eminent Alan Turing or anyone patient and persistent enough to follow this surreal posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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Hi American Way,

I’m no expert on big bang, but I do deplore the lack of knowledge of algebra and calculus amonst many who today wish to study econimics and political economy. When I first started teaching one could assume most students had a basic knowledge of quadratics , differentiation and integration. By the time I moved into management it was the exception not the rule.

I am not a maths teacher : but a well educated individual in my view should have , certainly at University level a passing familiarity with those skills which aid logical and theoretical thought, which clearly requires a solid grounding in mathematics.

I can recount one anecdote in this regard. Having been taught economics by a pupil of John Eatwell, it was perhaps inevitable that I should wish to propound th value of Piero Sraffa’s work, ‘the production of commodities by means of commodities’ to my tender student audience. Economists and mathematicians in the readership may recall the famous ‘Cambridge Capital debate’ over Sraffa’s daring attempt to aggregate capital as dated inputs of labour .

Anyway I was introducing a second year honours group (compulsory) into the understanding of Neo Ricardian theory ,when I found out my lecture was to be assessed by the then university quality assurance body. The lecture went well, I spent the last 15 minutes running through an algebraic proof of Sraffa’s central concepts, and the modification proposed by Samir Amin. I got a report which said excellent- the last 15 minutes of this lecture stretched the best students in the group , but could easily be followed with the modicum of mathematical knowledge expected of a economics honours graduate.

Seven years later I was assessed again. Thy happened by chance to assess the same lecture, which , because of falling mathematical and other knowledge , was given to a final years option group. This time I was complemented on the elegance of the presentation , but told that the mathematical proof, was well beyond the capability of even a qualified A level maths student, and would be more appropriate on a post graduate specialist mathematical economics course.

I shocked the assessor by telling him that I had studied the same proof at first year level in University on economics subsidiary, and had been asked during the lecture by the Prof ( she thought I wasn’t paying attention- and she was correct!) to come up and finish off the proof on the board- which I had done with ease. So much for maintaining academic standards!
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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<strong>prof.n</strong>:

I don’t know very much about the level of mathematics used by students of economics, but there’s a fair amount of evidence of a decline in mathematical standards for students starting on scientific subjects at university in the UK (I’ve been involved with some university groups who are trying to counteract this).

A couple of things need to be said at the outset. First, that you do meet the occasional genius who says that engineers don’t need to know maths any more because computer packages do everything for them. I’m sure, in this Forum, that I needn’t say anything else about that.

The other is that my assertion is often challenged by people who think it implies I’m saying that kids don’t work hard these days. But I’m not saying that at all; I have no reason to believe that either the overall ability or the diligence of modern-day students is much different from what it was (say) half a century ago.

The observation is more about, first, the type of mathematics stuidied at school, and, secondly, the way it is examined.

I think it is the case that fewer of the harder topics are studied these days, although there are various initiatives in place to try to reverse this trend, and they have been having some success. As a simple though perhaps exaggerated example, I remember basic calculus for O-level (London University Board, Syllabus B, 1965 — Syllabus A didn’t do calculus). Now, though, calculus is an A-level topic.

Perhaps more of a problem is the style of examination. Instead of giving a problem in several parts, with typically half an hour allowed, a modern exam question will lead the student through the different stages in a rather more hand-holding way.

Nows I can uinderstand the reason for the change; it does indeed “test the student’s learning”. That, though, is the problem. To be able to use maths effectively, you need to be able to do it automatically, without thinking. That takes experience and practice, in other words doing lots of different problems. If the exam leads you through, step by step, there’s no incentive to acquire that facility. Of course, with old-style exams, you might get one or two questions which stumped you, even though you’d had lots of practice, and you might slip a grade as a consequence, so the accuracy of the exam wouldn’t be as high; but what it was measuring would, in my view, be more worthwhile.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi Alan Turing,

Interesting post.

A few months ago I found ‘edexcel’ on line. You can ‘do’ an A level paper on line , old exam copies, and then you get an assessment automatically. I chose to do the first five questions of one paper selected at random, Should have taken 1 hour but I finished in 20 minutes. Question answers all graded A* yet it is 30 odd years since I did formal maths. Only one comment came from the computerised marking system. Q1 (which was about surds) ‘show your working!!!!!). It was so simple I thought it was mental arithmetic/ simple algebra.

There was some differentiation- very simple , and as you say you were led through it stage by stage. No comprehension though of WHY you would do such a calculation however.

It reinforced my view, and yes the students are no different, we just have different lower expectations of them , in academic and for that matter discipline terms.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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When you understand something it’s easier to remember. I had some good teachers and can solve problems even after forty years from my third semester differential equations my favorite. I had some bad teachers where the same cannot be said. Fortunately I am a life time learner but math and science build on each other as I suppose all subjects do to an extent. I found math is harder to self teach but maybe that’s just me?

The most pathetic people I know use their degrees as folded cudgel and become functionally iiterate in anything but their field and lord that over others.
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Feb 06, 2010#34
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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To better understand hazing this scholarly analysis may be of interests to some. Page 45 to 63.

Transactios at Play
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Feb 06, 2010#35
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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FYI. Is Hazing Play photo referred to on first page in recommended article.

Arizona State University smiling fraternity pledges being paddled
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi American Way,

Interesting article. The issue is , of course one of degree. To test masculinity is one thing, to do it by undertaking stunts which are clearly able to maim or kill, is another. Anthropology will identify quickly functional ritual whereas disfunctional ritual will be discarded by the social process itself. Indeed the very problem of ritualistic enactments is that they are actually manifestly insufficiently flexible to effect the necessary change and regeneration which is essential for every part of the human project!

As to female rituals where these just copy the superficiality of the male project they serve no essential purpose and are simply teleological extensions of male stratagems. As such they offer sisterhood nothing but the grief these sisters have found with arrest in New York and a previous incident in Texas.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Googles books have been a source of such great material. While seeking out the picture of the girls in the “no caning” placard protests I came across a woman’s name of Ursula Trow. She had a column entitled Teen-Age Tempest that brought to my attention something that I haven’t heard for years. Before WWII there was not enough licensed teachers here in the states but by the late 40’s there was a glut. There was a column from a popular magazine American Weekly that was syndicated. After the WWII Normal Schools (now Teachers College) abounded. Licensed teachers frowned on CP and with them came the advent of specialization with changing of classrooms. The Sisters of No Mercy were not certified and the public schools although legal were fading as the older (unlicensed teachers) retired. My sixth grade teacher (retired public school teacher) was among the few licensed teacher prior to WWII. Some public school teachers and some nurses were never married. The war was a demarcation in many ways indeed.

Trow writings were syndicated by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and referenced in the scholarly journal linked first in order. Teenage girls were held to a higher standard and mothers were quite open about spanking them when that alone worked. The photos wouldn’t raise all that many eyebrows at the time as did paddlings until the late seventies in the schools. In a way the stereotypes were forced on the girls from the ethos of the previous generation. Since there was a sea change that led to more CP as it did with dawn of the sixties with the boomers. In the last link what is the girl over her mother’s knee holding on to?

http://www.jstor.org/pss/20153841

Teachers Talking Back

Problen teenage girls

Taking Matters in hand
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Feb 07, 2010#38
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi American Way. You asked with reference to the young lady being spanked in your final URL above:

In the last link what is the girl over her mother’s knee holding on to?

I have given the illustration a thorough scrutiny and it is my considered opinion that she is using a flip top cigarette lighter to light a cigarette, doubtless to relieve the stress of the moment!

Or, just possibly, she is chewing the ends of her hair ribbon for a similar purpose.

I am sure that the many inventive and imaginative people who post here will come up with many equally bizarre alternative ideas!
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Feb 15, 2010#39
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Scholars corner and adult sites. What happens in the course of research you come across something of great value to the legitimate pursuit scholarly works. First and foremost it is important that any network 54 entity not violate its terms of being a mere portal for adult sites for profit or otherwise (by way of an aside copyright caveats on the site recommended are second to none and apply to any site irrespective of adult content).

Within the spectrum of adult content sites there are those that do not cross the line of consentuality nor exploitation of minors to those who push envelopes. May I further inject that as an adolescent I came across (The History of the Rod) and that engendered within me curiosity in my local public library. Hostory repeats itself. Forum management if you think this is an end run that simple edit it out. The last thing I would want to do is open a can of worms on my favorite by far network 54 forim especially an estimable one that has afforded me with an undeserved honor.

Without further adieu (drum roll) I have found one particular site worth perusing that makes exceptional efforts to allow that separates that which is intended to titillate and that which is intended to inform. Without further adieu I recommend that you follow as I did through serendipity the link I came across without adult content in mind. Floggings in history and nowadays.

I checked in a cursory manner through search and I didn’t find prior reference but it may be there already. Copying and pasting is not doing them justice and having become more aware I have done it through “snippets” or have somewhat disingenuously paraphrased without attribution them. This heightened awareness has come to me since the hotlinking became a source of unhappiness in this Happy Circle.

Please don’t tell me that I am first to mention the site that you will be led to or at least have never read it. Any true scholar would have been led to it. Confession is good for the soul.
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Mar 09, 2010#40
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Compendium of studies on domestic corporal punsihment. It’s mostly fodder and nonsense.

http://ches.okstate.edu/facultystaff/Larzelere/
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Mar 11, 2010#41
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Is corporal punishment degrading? No says: Very Reverend The Dean of St Pauls London

Pro CP

Yes says: Robert Ingersoll

Con CP
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Mar 11, 2010#42
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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I’m a personal friend of the present Dean of St.Paul’s — and I’ve no idea what his views on the matter are!

(Incidentally, why is this thread so wide? I can’t see any images which would force an increase in width.)
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Mar 11, 2010#43
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Alan Turing: I notice when posting in spite of previewing there is a lot of blank space lately. Could that have something to do with wide threads? I can use a shorten google book link and give the pages or just give the search words instead of the longer links. Would that have something to with it? Or is it those darn gremlins?
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Mar 12, 2010#44
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi Alan Turing. You say above:

Incidentally, why is this thread so wide? I can’t see any images which would force an increase in width.

I’ve answered your query in Computing Corner as it seemed more appropriate there.
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Mar 27, 2010#45
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Fascinating.

Who’s Afraid of Teaching IQ?
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Apr 17, 2010#46
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Distressing numbers from the State of Florida. Paddlings, suspensions and expulsion.

 

http://www.fldoe.org/eias/eiaspubs/pdf/discipline.pdf

http://www.educationworld.com/a_admin/a … n329.shtml
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Apr 17, 2010#47
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hot linked again. Passive link folows just scroll down a bit.

True – 50% of Florida’s students have been suspended, expelled or paddled

http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/p/paddled.asp
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Jun 03, 2010#48
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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History of Corporal Punishment Cartoon: American Imperialism August 27, 1898

http://hti.osu.edu/node/91
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Jun 28, 2010#49
It is good to read a recently published scholarly work that I can wholeheartedly agree with. I hope you find the article as worthwhile as I did. Below is the link for the article and the abstract. As promised it will be under this link that my contributions will be coming in the ensuing months. I would appreciate feedback especially from Doctor Dominum.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsB … 226573#reg

Abstract:

The Science and Statistics Behind Spanking Suggest that Laws Allowing Corporal Punishment are in the Best Interests of the Child

Jason M. Fuller
Akron Law Review

Akron Law Review, Vol. 42, No. 243, 2009

Abstract:

Anti-spanking laws are proposed and passed with the hope that they will create a “cultural spillover” of non-violence, and a society that does not need correction. While such lawmaking may seem harmless, even commendable, the empirical data indicate that a spanking ban is a grave mistake.

With spanking bans have come increased rates of child abuse, aggressive parenting, and youth violence. Criminal records suggest that children raised under a spanking ban are much more likely to be involved in crime than other children. Accordingly, almost thirty years after Sweden became the world’s first country to ban spanking, six out of ten Swedish children now feel vulnerable at school, and just as many have been victims of youth violence.

Perhaps it is no surprise that the methodologically sound research suggests that spanking is not harmful, and is often more helpful than other common discipline methods. On average, spanking seems to reduce aggression, defiance, and antisocial behavior better than mental punishments like timeout, reasoning, privilege removal, threats, verbal power assertion, ignoring, love withdrawal, or diverting. Indeed, the most friendly, stable, and competent children tend to come from “authoritative” families — families that raise children with love, firm guidance, and at least occasional spanking.

Nevertheless, spanking’s successes are largely ignored. Many philosophically oppose corporal punishment and praise spanking bans, but few honestly consider the entire body of child discipline statistics. Therefore, in this rapidly changing area of the law that lies at the heart of our children’s education and future, only one side of the story is being told.
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A New Companion to English Renaissance Literature and Culture By Michael Hattaway

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Matthaus Greuter work in late 16th century such abuses occurred but it served the interest of the Roman Catholic Church fiercest opponents. I’m not convinced such sexual abuse was rampant. I’m sure some sisters left and witnessed to their experiences after they left the convent and maybe some were true and not elicited for propaganda purposes.

The erotic whipping of a harmless foxtail on the bare buttocks was different than the chastisements recorded in this link here.

http://elfinspell.com/HxFlagellation/Chap5.html
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Jul 13, 2010#50
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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World War II played a role in negative feminine stereotypes. It’s little wonder that juvenile treatment of women as sex symbols.

http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Th-W/Victory-Girls.html

Vintage Victory Girls

Victory Girls Study
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Jul 14, 2010#51
There is an unseemliness that accrued to the Victory Girls of tender years. The GI upon coming home encountered not the little girl but woman strengthened by the roles they assumed when the men were not around. The old you can’t keep the farmboys on the farm after Paris had a corollary with the women they left behind.

Post War Gender Conflict

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Aug 14, 2010#52

Hi American Way,

Interesting article. The issue is , of course one of degree. To test masculinity is one thing, to do it by undertaking stunts which are clearly able to maim or kill, is another. Anthropology will identify quickly functional ritual whereas disfunctional ritual will be discarded by the social process itself. Indeed the very problem of ritualistic enactments is that they are actually manifestly insufficiently flexible to effect the necessary change and regeneration which is essential for every part of the human project!

As to female rituals where these just copy the superficiality of the male project they serve no essential purpose and are simply teleological extensions of male stratagems. As such they offer sisterhood nothing but the grief these sisters have found with arrest in New York and a previous incident in Texas.
I wonder if the gentleman possessing a birch at the brothel was a schoolmaster or a clergyman. Why do so many think of the Anglais and not the Continental Vice? How did this end up in the British Museum?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kintzertor … /lightbox/

http://www.bpi1700.org.uk/research/prin … r2007.html
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Oct 24, 2010#53
There is an unseemliness that accrued to the Victory Girls of tender years. The GI upon coming home encountered not the little girl but woman strengthened by the roles they assumed when the men were not around. The old you can’t keep the farmboys on the farm after Paris had a corollary with the women they left behind.

Post War Gender Conflict
Chapter XXIII worth reading IMO. The behavior and corporal punishment of Harvard scholars. What was the age of the scholars of their day?

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Oct 25, 2010#54
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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This was back in the days of strong Puritan influence when adults were frequently whipped for crimes like drunkenness.
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Oct 25, 2010#55
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Yes, it’s hard to believe but Harvard was open as a seminary in 1636. The churches have been converted into businesses in its environs. The churches are the most liberal and inclusive imaginable, revealingly, the crosses have been taken and replaced with wind vanes. The only public whipping are recorded in San Francisco. The ask for a donation $5 for three pictures and with over 300,000 people in this Fall Fetish Fest they raise as many dollars for causes dear mostly to the gay and lesbian that abound throughout the city. Tony Bennett sing your heart out.

Harvard 17th Cenury<a rel=”nofollow”>

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Nov 29, 2010#56
Back to my research. The second link rivals names from Wales!!! I hope you in the UK appreciate my humor. My Dad of blessed memory loved the hospitality of Wales as opposed to England in WWII, of course his parents were born in Ireland.

As of 2009-MAY, the only European country to allow corporal punishment in both the home and school is Switzerland. Corporal punishment against them (BGE 117 lV 18), and corporal punishment in schools is prohibited by federal law, pursuant to cantonal legislation.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm

Corporal punishment against them (BGE 117 lV 18), and corporal punishment in schools is prohibited by federal law, pursuant to cantonal legislation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6pfWJ_ … ult&resnum

 

 

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A question of where school corporal punishment is allowed was brought to the attention of Re. Wade Ditty.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin2.htm

Switzerland does not prohibit it because of the intricacies of cantonal legislation. It would be a regional surmise that it is not employed. Switzerland reminds me of the Swiss cheese or blister paddles with holes however beveled as I continue to tease my fellow estimable Forum poster, prof n.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi … 90509.2.17
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Jan 02, 2011#57
Yes, it’s hard to believe but Harvard was open as a seminary in 1636. The churches have been converted into businesses in its environs. The churches are the most liberal and inclusive imaginable, revealingly, the crosses have been taken and replaced with wind vanes. The only public whipping are recorded in San Francisco. The ask for a donation $5 for three pictures and with over 300,000 people in this Fall Fetish Fest they raise as many dollars for causes dear mostly to the gay and lesbian that abound throughout the city. Tony Bennett sing your heart out.

Harvard 17th Cenury<a rel=”nofollow”>

</a>Society of Janus Spanking Booth
I thought this was worth posting under this thread due to the nature of the survey.

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Feb 24, 2011#58
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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FYI Pain – Guilt – Morality

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Feb 24, 2011#59
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Why is it that MIT pdf not coming up? Gremlins or does MIT sabotage it?
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Feb 28, 2011#60
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4/VOLUME4/Others/USE_WEB_&_Kritsonis%5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_38/ai_n13810111/?tag=content;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif\’);”>Hi American way. You said:

MIT are completely innocent, or at least they are in this case!

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May 03, 2011#61
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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These links Re: Gender and corporal punishment, however off topic (sorry again) may, nonetheless, be of interests to some including those of the PHD community. Please don’t be too critical for going so far astray.

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May 16, 2011#62
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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19th Century punishment as seen by children Earl Barnes. I found interesting his gender observation and analysis of offending behavior from the Mosaic code. Where there is smoke there is fire, however unpopular among some? The commonality of observed behavior from the eye of this beholder is not surprising over these years is not surprising and not just distortion by stereotype. Some may argue nurture priority because a particular civilization that runs counter but I am not of that school of thought. Nurture plays some role but not as much as most ardent feminists would like to believe.

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May 16, 2011#63
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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American Way, Unfortunately, your hyperlink to the Google book: http://books.google.com/books?id=xaJeAAAAIAAJ gives me access to a snippet view only of the Proceeding of the National Educational Association (U.S.) 1895 . Two of the snippets are blank and the third is too small to convey any useful information.
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May 22, 2011#64
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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An interesting study about school corporal punishment, IMHO worth perusing.

To the tune of the hickory stick.

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May 23, 2011#65
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Hi American Way,

Yes , the article is interesting , but it actually simply gives empirical reinforcement to the position I outlined a few days ago on TWP III.

To understand the south you have to see it as remaining substantially impervious to the trends of liberalization which have swept other area of the States especially the West Coast and the Eastern Seaboard.

To live and/or die in Dixie, and to understand either concept ,you need to look at the issues through the lenses of the Southern Baptist Convention. Social and political constructs are reinforced by the Christian value/morality ethic which dominates in those areas .

George Grant ( author of ‘the changing of the guard’) understood that , and the tea party is eager to apply his lessons and harvest the political reward.
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Sep 27, 2011#66
Lyman Cobb (1800-1864) was the leading competitor of Noah Webster as an author of spelling books. In 1847 he daringly wrote against corporal punishment against the tide. Cobb wrote: Read carefully, reflect candidly: then but not till then, approve or condemn the following work.

In 1983 corporal punishment went into free fall in the United States and now Texas and Mississippi are states that account for 40 percent of the 223,190 children who were paddled at least once during the 2006-2007 school year. Carl Sommer daringly wrote for corporal punishment in 1983 and IMHO too often knee jerk reactions lead to a counter productive herd mentality so everyone should read carefully, reflect candidly: then but not till then, approve or condemn the following works. Too often knee jerk reactions lead to a counter productive herd mentality.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3-4KAA … t&resnum=1

http://books.google.com/books?id=41H-KZ … t&resnum=8
May 15, 2009 follow up on Lyman Cobb

Lyman Cobb became a spokesman against corporal punishment after being a renowned spelling authority. The evil tendencies of corporal punishment: as a means of moral discipline is readily available. 1847 treatment of girls and female teachers and relative absence of the word: “cane” are curious but typical of bygone days in the states. Although the delicate female thinking was part and parcel of the ethos beyond the pond. Not to elicit rants IMNSHO from a fellow honoree; the pendulum has gone to far of late in the opposite direction, evidenced by the oft articulated polemics of nature versus nurture argument.

As often is the case his son prospered but not the father.

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Mar 17, 2012#67
Perfecting the Paddle: Michel Foucaults Genealogy of Disciplinary Power, the Decline of Corporal Punishment in Schools, and the Move toward More Pervasive Forms of Discipline by James E. Radford, Jr.

http://www.educationlawconsortium.org/f … adford.pdf
Sunshine State. Sunny side up. The paddle at Madison County Central elementary and middle school hangs on the door of the principals office, though he does not administer the punishment himself.

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The plexiglass paddle is about 18 inches long, 7 inches wide and a quarter of an inch think.

Williams says the paddle is very flexible, but that doesnt mean it wont break.

It once broke while Williams was paddling a 7th grade boy.

He was a healthy young man and I may have been on my second [swing] and the handle broke off, Williams said.

It broke off after the paddle hit the student.

You think that might scare a kid, but he turned around, he looked, he smiled and was like, does that mean its over?

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Apr 11, 2012#68
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Spanking As a Fine Art.

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Author: Clarence H. LeVitt

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May 02, 2012#69
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Since the 15th century the spanking by woman in folkoric tradition nary raised an eyebow. Now the custom has become awkward but perturbations have taken place. Eggs have given way to alcohol as gifts. I am giving it due attributiuon as is Alvarez with a Czech to English tradfition. I’m keeping the view off a BDSM site in a family forum.

Czech Folk Spanking Traditions
Author Alvarez
30 January 09 (Friday)

This text is taken from the project and is not BDSM.CZ thematically classified. All copyrights are the same as in that project. The author is Alvarez

Abstract: Our ancestors had the opportunity to meet with what we now call spanking, very often. It was not just any punishment in the family or at school, but a whole range of folk traditions. Let the following article only a brief overview spankingových holidays in the Czech area.
In many folk customs, more than often encounter various forms of spanking. Sometimes they are only indications, sometimes elaborate system of punishments applied in folk celebrations.

Almost publicly in Bohemia and Moravia paid off throughout the year on various occasions – during carnival on Easter, but equally at the time of Advent. The largest and best-known custom of the Easter whip, which I would like to at home.

First Whip

radition whip or whipped cream also, mrskaky, migrustu (schmeckostern) dynovaky, binovaky etc., is very old, and the report has found in medieval sources. It talks about it already Prague preacher, one of the predecessors MJHusa, Conrad Waldhauser (1325? -1369). In his fast, for students of Prague talks about folk custom, when on Easter Monday and the following day, husbands and boyfriends each paid whisk and “pulsate” with the hand. Jan Hus then himself in one of his sermons he writes: “Therefore women the day after Easter flagellate their husbands, the third day on the contrary, although husbands and wives in the morning in bed bars or hand or fist. This is done to indicate that that they should admonish each other to one another at the time did not require the fulfillment of marital duties. So you pretty women mrskejte morning my man rod, if you require double the duty on these sacred days. ”

The mutual “pomlázení and flogging” says the archbishop Utraquists Rokycana John (1395? -1471). Another report documenting public popularity whip us with a Prague physician Rudolph Guarinoni time. In his notation throughout Prague sold publicly decorated with colored brooms, which perhaps enlist every citizen and went with her to the streets to vymrskal women he meets. Putting is the whip, in which women are paid. Guarinoni adds that these habits are accompanied by thunderous celebration in taverns. The lordship is no way pomlázce partiality, reportedly also heavily involved. Whip in a variety of application forms has survived to this day, although the end of the 19th Wed Czech ethnographer writes Zíbrt with a sigh, “we find traces of it only in our country. Even there, however, slowly whip become extinct … ”

The question is the origin and purpose of the whip. We can now meet with several variants. Rokycan yet talked about “pomlázení”, “pomlázeti with” – according to etymologist refers to the word “mlazí” – the younger – the term used in Rokycany is explained by whipping fresh green willow twigs with rejuvenating effects. It is therefore a very green magic wand – the symbol of spring and new life generated by that you can touch – a spanking (probably the best on bare) – transferred to paid person.
The sermon is a reflection of Jan Hus – a rod used to quench the desire to sin in such an important time for Christians as Easter. Reliably unanswered question is the origin of the whip – Christian or pagan? Magic rejuvenation or incentive to ascetic behavior?

Otherwise, the origin of Easter flogging explains: When Christ rose from the dead, the people on the streets of Jerusalem stood and shouted to the right of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jews, however, were broken while being thrashed, – whip should have some sort of celebration or remembrance of these events.

The origin of the whip, we can only speculate, but given its nkolikasetleté tradition is quite likely that in the Paschal beating assimilated several theories of origin.
Classical whip as we know it today took place on Easter Monday. Less known is that there was a girl whip when women have the right to whip a man and a boy. Women’s whip was called “robské right” or somewhat pejoratively, “Folk mrskakka”. The fact is that this law applied only in some areas.

Today, unfortunately I have to say that is not applicable to almost all (annually at Easter in vain look out girl with birch rod). Women usually whipped up on Tuesday. When such a true beating password – who will receive – in terms of who has a rod that beats. The fact that the women’s whip does not commissioned by the male, female and also the pitfalls, suggests memories of ethnographers Horácko of 1915:
“It’s those damn nation baby! You swept me! He came here from the pub in the afternoon, my postlala laveku them, he brought the ESCB also plum, undressed, and I wanted you here zdrímú droplets. He said the rim here – what is that my today is such a good? So I’m lying here … vysleený killers to three rooms where they kill the baby and there they kill. ”

Generally, the flogging of women and men has been associated with general merriment. In many cases could be more than a curious case. Records even talk about a girl that you guys brought sleeping with bed and threw it into the stream (irrigation water – another ancient custom, as evidenced by 14.st.) and waking up properly after a cold whip. Extremely similar to pleasures of the village officially tick and several times and have also realized that Chase found not a nuisance. Girls just dropping into the water was, for obvious reasons, officially banned in many places.

As to the shape of the tool, which was awarded Easter beatings can be said that each region could have a different regional variant of the whip. In the vast majority of us it is a well known and is still successfully used in various rod formed by the number of willow twigs, according to the number of rods esteráky estnácteráky. It is very rare, or use a stronger rod, for example, in Wallachia or juniper twigs. In some places, are presented and classic birch brooms. The instrument in question is then, in addition to the usual designation whip, a variety of names – korbá, vein, whip, carbine, coach, Tatar, kyka time … woven willow whip was replaced with different items – the cane decorated with ribbons, wooden spoons, paddles on the carpet, plastic, considerably massive and certainly painful whip color – sold at the time of real socialism. The innovation is often replaced the whip as a tennis racket and hockey stick even (!). In the case of rockets still beating I could have imagined, but use the stick seems to me more than impractical.

For those interested in the current character of this wonderful habit of purely Czech can recommend a visit to the club Mrskut discussion, although currently inactive, the www.pruvodce.cz .

Second Christmas Spanking

Less well known than the whip is different tradition, albeit mostly symbolic, award beatings during Advent. From today’s realities, we might think of just handing out gifts svatomikuláská devil armed with scourge. Some wounds, however, can be obtained also from a number of other phenomena Advent and masks.

Beat St. Nicholas et al. preceded the walking Barborek, namely 4 December. Barbara were usually older girls, clad in white and whitewashed face with flour. Wrapped around the waist used to have different colored ribbons. Barbara used to be usually equipped with a knot with small gifts and scourge. Before entering the house blazed the scourge of the window or the windows showed a carved pumpkin wit
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

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http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

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a candle burning. In the room usually encourage children to pray. Podarovaly many children, and those who did not want to pray, or that were unable to have been punished scourge.
We followed a well-known Saint Nicholas Day. House attended St. Nicholas accompanied by an angel and a devil. He obviously missed the scourge. Children were usually tested Nicholas of catechism, you punish naughty devil scourge. Despite the fact that Advent should be a time of contemplation and preparation for Christmas, something that the adults of the promotion has had, carried out the devil in many places various farce, adult faces blackened with soot, teased the older girls who usually lash against the scourge of prevention.
13th December, the day of St. Lucy circumvented, a woman, usually a rather haunted girl dressed in white, sometimes with the mask or mask, other times just zabíleným face. This character was called Lucy, Lucy, Louka, Luca, Lucina. Lucy ometala interior room and bystanders soot, wore wooden spoon, beat the girls fingers girls over to better presented. More than children, however, Lucy noticed youth and adolescents. Many children in some places to donate, but their older siblings usually expected beating. Such banter certainly connected with the fact that Lucy was usually one of the girls from the village odrostlejích. Sometimes they were in Lucy dressed as men.
Third Spanking during carnival
Carnival or also called Carnival, the period of traditional folk culture of the Epiphany to Ash Wednesday, after the beginning of Lent. Carnival season was associated with a variety of folk games, customs and carols. Generally true that the carnival could perform each expressed grievances, or inappropriate public. According to experts, colloquially speaking, could any decent farmer zhulákat in public without him who raced for it to account.
Spanking are associated with reports of the celebrations remains – the last three days of carnival season. In some areas this period he led the whole village magistrate position, chorus presented Starek, who were elected for the purpose of the chase. They voted for two or four Starkov and one bailiff. The symbol of their office was the right analogy rychtáského rights. It is usually a sword decorated with ribbons. Badge of executive power was then called Ferula. Perhaps surprisingly (lat. = ferula rod, the rod) was a large spoon, “… at the wide end roztípená, thou, when she hit a lot trchala”. After having been elected Starkov was chosen as bailiff, who was punished as a first ferrule that familiar with the instrument. Next meeting of the new Board took place in the village pub. Here was carried out among young adults taking chase. Admission ritual is usually not without some intervention Catchpole, who was waiting with the ferrule in the wings.
In some areas Stárka Corps also conducted a public court, usually a neighbor sued another for some antic, he drank beer in a pub, the needle pricked up his pants, and looked to the right without proper respect, greet … Starek, then the offender has been assessed a penalty for some wounds ferrule.
A similar lawsuit was recorded stárkovský the Kromí. First he was charged with the right mayor aldermen. In addition, beating each had to pay the assessed penalty. After punishing the Mayor et al. were successively tried all the men in the pub. Amount collected was paid to cover common expenses of the inn. Execution then performed Dráb ferrule. The prisoner could receive 5-10 “tops” – it was the payment of the ditty “One two, Bijou me, one two, Bijou me, Bijou, Bijou’s Ball, Bijou, Bijou’s Ball, for you!” It was one of the top which is then sung by the court verdict several times. .
The public spanking can be found even in advanced koledách carnival in South Bohemia. Predetermined number of mill boys walked around the village where deserved and showed people’s courts. Introduced caroller – punish the captain kept his escort for a variety of grievances that were carried out in the villages through which passed. Individual striplings then ran all sorts of punishment, or he tried to avoid bystander to entertain people.
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The above text was written as a compilation of available literature, which I present to potential applicants. These titles should be available in each of at least average fed library, and if not there, so you are certainly lend, if only-site in Prague Klementinum or study in the Institute of Ethnology, ASCR.
Frolec, Wenceslas, Christmas in the Czech folk culture, Prague 1988
Frolcová, Vera, Easter in Czech popular culture, Prague 2001
ZÍBRT, in descending order the annual custom of Old Bohemia, Prague 1894
ZÍBRT, enk, Happy moments in the life of the people of Bohemia, Prague 1950 II.vydání
Czech People Magazine

Modern Fun Video with explanation.

http://youtu.be/xOHgQAHxl3o

Funny Images of Polamzca. Innocent and somewhat ribald.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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I’m sorry KK I know how not making paragraph breaks annoy you. I did so for Part I but neglected to do so in Part II as you can clearly see. To err is human…To forgive is divine.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Discipline Records: FYI

http://www.childinfo.org/discipline_resources

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi American Way,

The URL linked in your May 5 2012, 7:48 AM post above doesn’t exist. I’m guessing that you intended to link to this page, which has a similar URL, but with the necessary terminal .html. However it could have been this page or any of the first 3 links from the left side menu panel on it, all of which contain data relative to the use of corporal punishment(though not necessarily school corporal punishment) on children in the 30 plus countries surveyed.</div>
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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In the bad old days, when I was in school, our teachers corrected every error in anything and everything we wrote – spelling, punctuation, grammar, format. Then it was decided by someone, I do not know who, that it was discouraging to correct in this way and that errors should be overlooked to better encourage children to write.

I still make errors, and am embarrassed when they are pointed out, or I discover them myself soon after I have irretrievably posted an item. My current excuse is poor eyesight. I cannot easily read what I have written. I find it easier to find errors in other people’s writing, broken hyperlinks, poor formating, etc. A further excuse is that my mind works faster than my fingers. I still have not quite mastered QWERTY.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4/VOLUME4/Others/USE_WEB_&_Kritsonis%5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_38/ai_n13810111/?tag=content;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

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Googles books have been a source of such great material. While seeking out the picture of the girls in the “no caning” placard protests I came across a woman’s name of Ursula Trow. She had a column entitled Teen-Age Tempest that brought to my attention something that I haven’t heard for years. Before WWII there was not enough licensed teachers here in the states but by the late 40’s there was a glut. There was a column from a popular magazine American Weekly that was syndicated. After the WWII Normal Schools (now Teachers College) abounded. Licensed teachers frowned on CP and with them came the advent of specialization with changing of classrooms. The Sisters of No Mercy were not certified and the public schools although legal were fading as the older (unlicensed teachers) retired. My sixth grade teacher (retired public school teacher) was among the few licensed teacher prior to WWII. Some public school teachers and some nurses were never married. The war was a demarcation in many ways indeed.

Trow writings were syndicated by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and referenced in the scholarly journal linked first in order. Teenage girls were held to a higher standard and mothers were quite open about spanking them when that alone worked. The photos wouldn’t raise all that many eyebrows at the time as did paddlings until the late seventies in the schools. In a way the stereotypes were forced on the girls from the ethos of the previous generation. Since there was a sea change that led to more CP as it did with dawn of the sixties with the boomers. In the last link what is the girl over her mother’s knee holding on to?

http://www.jstor.org/pss/20153841

Teachers Talking Back

Problen teenage girls

Taking Matters in hand
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Follow up my February 7, 2010 past.

1947. The interesting thing about Teenage Tempest by Ursula Trow is that the letters are real. They are written signed with a town or city and state. A cursory check shows that they are alive and I’m sure some are unaware they exists in cyberspace. The girls names have changed through marriage. This writer is an exception allowed for she is from the school of thought of CYA.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 … 86,1823521

This was the letter that started the whole exchanges.

From the March, 1947 issue of American Weekly.

To Spank or Not To Spank? By Ursula Trow
Should teenagers be spanked? Many parents have asked us that question, and many teensters have vigorously come out against the practice as unjust, unnecessary and undignified. Elaine Blair of Portland, Oregon wrote: “If we weren’t whacked so much and our parents weren’t so fussy about us, maybe there would not be so much juvenile delinquency.”

Nancy Pearce of Monroe, Louisiana, is also against the use of the hairbrush. She writes: “I am a so-called bobby-soxer of 15 years, and I have a very old-fashioned mother. I came home rather late from a dance the other night. She made me lie across her lap and then she spanked me very hard with a hairbrush. “I sometimes wonder if I am the only girl in the country as old as I am who gets spanked like a kid.” She isn’t. And all teenagers don’t feel as outraged about hairbrush tonics.

Victoria P. Ralston of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada, for instance, writes: “… In our family, the first offense meant a serious lecture and appeal to pride. A second one elicited an ominous invitation to the woodshed. During my teens I attended two woodshed matinees, as dad called them, and learned the persuasive powers of a strap. “Looking back, my sister and I agree that physical smarting was better than the ruined lives that some of our uncurbed friends are leading as grown-ups. Severity on the rear end on numerous occasions would pretty well solve teen-age problems.”

Marine Maurice W. Dumals stationed in Parris Island, South Carolina is in favor of spanking, if not overdone. He writes “…It is all right if the parent takes the old dust covered switch down occasionally, but two much of that will scare the child into not liking the parents, which only deepens the misunderstanding between them.”

Mrs. Joseph Goodrich of Pittsburgh, Pa. Is the mother of four girls, and this is what she writes: “… Lately my younger two, Marjorie and Doris, aged 17 and 19, have run rampant. We have tried everything – parties at home, friends in and out at all times, but both continued to be sassy and lazy and dress so sloppy, I had a conference with my older girls who suggested strong measures. “So last week, when both girls come home two hours after the appointed time and were very sassy about it, I turned them over knee and soundly paddled them. They have been better ever since…”

Mrs. Margaret H. Coyne of Cleveland, Ohio is also the mother of a daughter but she doesn’t agree with Mrs. Goodrich’s methods. Writes Mrs. Coyne: “… Parents shouldn’t be too strict with their children. If parents aren’t companions to their children, to whom can children turn with a problem they can’t solve by themselves?”

Spanking may be old fashioned but it’s still in vogue in many American homes.

I have tried non-adult site original sources but to no avail. These are two recently shown online with the usual caveat. Look don’t surf. Would teen spanking be as seemingly in the UK in 1947?

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif);”>Hi American Way,

The spanking of teen-age girls, in the home or elsewhere, has been a banker for newspapers and magazines since at least Victorian times. Whether on the Readers’ Letters pages or in the occasional editorial, it is an unfailing attention getter! Why, even my own favourite UK broadsheet resorted to this not very long ago with the notorious ‘caned WRENS’ fake readers’ letters planted by editorial staff. As for actual readers’ letters, anyone can fake a convincing name and address, and lots of people do!

The best advice in respect of such material remains that once given here by the sadly missed Lotta Nonsense in a now deleted (I think) post:
<table style=”text-align:left;font-style:italic;font-weight:900;font-size:12px;”><tr><td>Believe nothing.

Question everything.

Trust nobody.

Except me, of course.</td></tr></table>
Especially that last bit! </div>
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Real names from small towns mention in many Ursula Trow’s column. Nine million readers of the American Weekly at it peak as an insert to small and large newspapers. How many people with those name appear in small town obituaries more than a half century later as the listed survivors?

This isn’t Englishwoman’s Domestic Magazine. True it has titillating value but one should consider advice columns were a genre that often dealt with transitional teenage years and America is such a diverse country.

Having said that they’re real people but are the accounts true? That’s a matter worthy of consideration. Teenage girls do tend to embellish but are more essentially true than some postings here. Those girls will have their peers and parents to deal with and not our resident estimable Forum’s conjectures.

American Weekly has become somewhat coveted for Henry Clive as an artist in a time when people like Norman Rockwell Saturday Evening Post.

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Jul 15, 2012#79
Spanking and Corporal Punishment Brittney V. Smith Tuskegee University January 25, 2010.

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Sunshine State. Sunny side up. The paddle at Madison County Central elementary and middle school hangs on the door of the principals office, though he does not administer the punishment himself.

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The plexiglass paddle is about 18 inches long, 7 inches wide and a quarter of an inch think.

Williams says the paddle is very flexible, but that doesnt mean it wont break.

It once broke while Williams was paddling a 7th grade boy.

He was a healthy young man and I may have been on my second [swing] and the handle broke off, Williams said.

It broke off after the paddle hit the student.

You think that might scare a kid, but he turned around, he looked, he smiled and was like, does that mean its over?

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Follow up on 2012 St Patrick’s Day post on Florida paddling.

When people think of Florida corporal punishment this kind of paddling is not the first thing that comes to their mind. The northern panhandle is not what people think of when they think of the Sunshine State. Counselors like Melynda Howell (last two links) would be hard to find outside of the Courage to Submit thread.

Snead High School

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Kudos to Sara Gonzales for her excellent reporting.

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Melynda Howell, paddled by a male administrator at 13 as shown on Courage to Submit thread.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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Corporal Punishment, Suspension, and Detention: Are Those the Answer? By Larry Zafran, Self-Published under the title, Amereica’s (Math) Education Crisis: Why We Have it and Why We Can(‘t) Fix It. 2010.

Bracket philosophy, it is a good over-view of present practices of corporal punishment and other disciplinary sanctions today in the USA. I am posting this especially for our UK readers. Page 291 and following.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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19th century Corporal Punishment and the law of Indiana.

Cooper vs McJunkin ruling in respect to SCP has implications for today worth examining.

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Also, from an excellent Indiana source from whence the ruling came from. Page 362 – 363. Not much to criticize here. Teachers should, therefore, understand that whatever correction is administered in anger or insolence, or in any other manner than in moderation and kindness, accompanied with that affectionate moral suasion so eminently due from one placed by the law “in loco parents” in the sacred relation of parent – the Courts must consider them guilty of assault and battery.”

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It was not well received by this author of the Lawyer in the School Room.

Chapter V

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The book is recommended in this newspaper excerpt. FYI. I started with this new story and then worked backwards to the links above. I cannot even understand how my mind works.

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19th Century punishment as seen by children Earl Barnes. I found interesting his gender observation and analysis of offending behavior from the Mosaic code. Where there is smoke there is fire, however unpopular among some? The commonality of observed behavior from the eye of this beholder is not surprising over these years is not surprising and not just distortion by stereotype. Some may argue nurture priority because a particular civilization that runs counter but I am not of that school of thought. Nurture plays some role but not as much as most ardent feminists would like to believe.

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THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN TEXAS Stephanie Phillips, B.S., M.Ed.

Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of DOCTOR OF EDUCATION UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS May 2012

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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1890 with some history of school corporal punishment. England had a severe regime for boys but the United States whipped grown young ladies as they do today. They had a machine with horsepower to whip blacks during the days of slavery. The paddle becomes a convenient instrument when it comes to a machine.

American history of school corporal punishment. Published New York Time on July 20, 1890.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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German Research. Walter Havenick.

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West Germany Judge rules spanking is an act of forgiveness.

Toledo Blade June 24, 1964.

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Douglass Welch

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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This map on interracial marriages closely follows the legality of corporal punishment. When you look at 1965 the similarities it makes one pause.

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It may be of the little interest to the UK but this 2008 book linked below is where most college students should begin if they were doing a paper and it would be a source that I would recommend. We are not helping their cause it’s a free book nor are we by reading it. Scholars cannot call themselves scholars if they cherry pick.

One of the chief tools of the anti CP school zealots is the HRW. They have deep pockets and their effort to cherry pick their studies the footnotes and anecdotes are well worth reading. This is a Google Book that is complete one. As I have mentioned on many occasions once it gets on Internet Archives (may or may not in the near future) it will be in a more readable format.

Dr Dominum With so few countries in the world practicing school corporal punishment has the HRW spread ots tentacles in your neck of the woods? Do you have any of their materials?

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Testing Wars in the Public Schools. By William J. Reese. ‪Harvard University Press‬, ‪Mar 1, 2013‬

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Humorists quote found within. Google partial view.

Boston Courier: ”To what color does a flogging change a boy’s complexion? It makes him yell-O.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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An Account of several work-houses for employing and maintaining the poor; setting forth the rules by which they are governed, their great usefulness to the publick, and in particular to the parishes where they are erected. As also of several charity-schools for promoting work, and labour (1725)

The part about pegs I found amusing. But it doesn’t take much to amuse me.

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How to avoid corporal punishment.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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In this major undertaking, civil rights historian Adam Fairclough chronicles the odyssey of black teachers in the South from emancipation in 1865 to integration one hundred years later. A Class of Their Own is indispensable for understanding how blacks and whites interacted after the abolition of slavery, and how black communities coped with the challenges of freedom and oppression.

South Carolina in the news I thought something involving corporal punishment, gender and race would be worth perusing.

First annual report of the public schools of Birmingham, Alabama, for the year ending June, 1884. J H Phillips, Superintendent J H Phillips.

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Page 290. Page 291.

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235. One tough woman.

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Corporal punishment references.

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Fast forward 2014.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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School Corporal Punishment Historic Perspective.

I found this worth of a posting in Scholar’s Corner. 173. Alan D Booth.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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The role of culture/value clash in school corporal punishment.

Educating for Democracy: Case-method Teaching and Learning edited by Robert F. McNergney, Edward R. Ducharme, Mary K. Ducharme, April 1,1999.

Chapter 7. Page 101.

A Case of Cruel and All-Too-Usual Punishment Betty Hallenbeck

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May 20, 2016#92
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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The decline and fall of corporal punishment in America?

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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debbie112 I would welcome your comments about this data either her or in the thread of your choice. I’m sure others will do so as well. The percentage differential between male and females being paddled doesn’t seem in proportion to what one would expect due compliance or failure to comply as outline in the codes of conducts found in student handbook. Is an unpublished code being used? Is it due to gender differentials from opting out? Surreptitiousness? Wiles? American Way

Examining the data.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4/VOLUME4/Others/USE_WEB_&_Kritsonis%5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_38/ai_n13810111/?tag=content;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello American Way,

I note that your above query

is primarily addressed to Debbie112, and I’m certainly going to leave a detailed response to her, ‘cos statistics aren’t my thing, unless I can see a chance to debunk them.

However, I’m puzzled. Only one of the datasets you link appears to break down male and female corporal punishment, and that is the dataset for 2011-2012, your penultimate link.

That tells us that in 2011-2012 in US Public Elementary and Secondary schools a total of 166,807 students received corporal punishment, of whom 130,591 were male and 36,216 were female.

Corporal punishment is defined as paddling, spanking, or other forms of physical punishment imposed on a student.

If we take the table and its headings at face value the CP figures refer simply to students who received SCP at least once in the period covered. There is no mention of multiple instances of CP applied to the same student and in fact this data is only included for OSS.

Now I agree that a person with a vivid imagination and an interest in juggling figures might draw certain conclusions about the gender balance of SCP from some of the other datasets, but the error margins quoted in some cases rather discourage this!

Am I correct in assuming that your query to Debbie112 applies only to that penultimate 2011-2012 dataset, and if so do you link all the other datasets simply to keep me occupied and out of mischief? </div>
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

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A_L, there is a significant gender imbalance noted a gazillion times in my prior postings as well as in the data set that I just referenced.

There is information to be gleaned not related to gender concerning corporal punishment in the other links for those who may be curious.

debbie112, you might want to share the extent of any gender imbalance in your school and what would you account for that imbalance if it exists?

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Hi American Way,

I have huge problems with these sort of aggregated figures. I have even more problems since I find that somehow my ISD ‘loses one in three of my paddling punishments in its record system. This itself a has a gender equivalence, as I paddle ALL the girls and only a proportion of the boys, unless the same pattern afflicts my male oppo, I guess we underestimate the number of girls paddled, compared with boys, as well as under-reporting the total number.

My problem with aggregated numbers is that they hide so many nuances. not only bad reporting, which personally now I believe tends to underestimate the paddling given, but also the mix of geography, social organization, and not least political agendas. For example in my school we have a conscious policy of being race and sex blind. this means in proportion to our student numbers we have a much more balanced group of paddled students. Our surprising fact is that most of the female paddling is of seniors , aged 17 or 18, and many get their first paddling with only weeks left in school. I think this is something to do with the culture of ‘daring’ to offend which seems prevalent amongst our seniors. I must spank more ‘A’ grade and well behaved girls in their last year, than the entire High school(Junior plus senior) does in the rest of the years combined. Most of these girls resign themselves with an attitude of ‘it’s a fair cop ma’am. Can we get it over please?’ . Then because most of them have probably never been ‘properly’ spanked as teenagers before, they either yell the place down or blubber like a baby. Objectively the white girls make most fuss!

Some schools I know of spank few girls. It’s a sugar and spice factor. They find it problematic (especially if they have a mostly male administration) having ‘big girls’ breaking down during punishment. I don’t even the most distressed often when they’ve recovered from the initial shock thank me or often hug me before they leave. I don’t make many enemies with the paddle, surprising through that might be, in fact I often create quite a strong bond with the students I punish.

I believe that elementary schools preponderantly spank boys and black students, as a opposed to white girls. This may reflect earlier ‘acting out’ or it may be prejudice, and a code amongst boys of honesty which isn’t often reflected amongst girls of the same age in my experience.This is born out I think by close reading of TWP and the social characteristics of the sub section of students they paddled. mostly boys , and if girls often Black.

I had recently a senior white girl referred for a ‘skipping class’ violation ( actually she’d realized she missed a class and so skipped the whole afternoon, the penalty would be exactly the same)! She came in very sheepishly and said ‘I guess as I’m white female and senior it would be a waste of breath trying to avoid a paddling’. Dead right girl ! A few minutes later she hugged both me and the witness whilst still tearful and said, ‘Thank you for being fair: often as I’m white and middle class I get let off by teachers, you’ve treated me equally, but my G-d your paddling hurts like hell!

Trouble is those bare statistics conceal all those individual as stories which are the real learning curve of the paddle.

But what more can I say about them/ Well there are big regional differences. Texas MS and AL tend to treat girls more evenly than some other states, but only Texas and MS seem to have explicit assumptions of equal opportunity in many of their paddling codes. Generally I find the more regulation around the paddling issue , often the less evenly it is applied, many schools finding it ‘too difficult’ to address. Interestingly there is much less serious youth crime in areas where the paddle is swung frequently, and less police intervention in schools.

National statistics do little to enlighten, except to clearly show the paddle deters and ISS/OSS doesn’t !
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

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However imperfect many more boys are paddled than girls on the high school level.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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Hi American Way,

Indeed, but I suppose this represents the lack of equality in thought and practice throughout our society, and perhaps some misogyny as well. It may also represent a unwillingness by ‘reasonable’ males to be exposed to the exaggerated claims of the anti’s for spanking ‘weak and tiny’ girls. I can be professional and competent when dealing with a boy just as much as a girl. I’m not offput wither by their size, or the risk of ‘untoward’ comments being made. Sure I’m a fit basketball coach, but I’m not that scary! Why should a man feel,any different about a paddling a girl? Simple! Because of the folk law and deliberately retold stories of excess and or questionable conduct.

Sexism and racism pervades our society despite whatever those well meaning folks who used to ride buses down here may do. They are not positive or attractive features of our society.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

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debbie112 Thanks for the answer. By now you may have guessed I’m in your father’s generation

For the benefit of our UK readers here is a slice of Americana. For three years I lived in a southern city that had a blac bus driver being relieved by a white driver in the middle of a racially divided city. Not a problem for it made sense for the bus driver was closer to home at the end of the shift. There were express buses taking white workers right by black neighborhoods. Not a problem there was a local bus and it made sense for it brought the workers to their homes in less time. It was problem to me and didn’t make sense.

I couldn’t convince my wealthy southern black classmates, that didn’t have to take the bus and didn’t or wouldn’t even see the black women beyond the childbearing years dressed to do domestic work.

What was visible to me was invisible to them. It’s not always blue or red. It’s not always rich and poor. It’s not always gown or town. It’s never black or white. I do my best not to put my mind in a cast. A wizened geezer aka American Way
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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I should added that those “domestics” were the only blacks on the bus when the white driver took over from the black.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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Hi American Way,

A very interesting commentary. you say :

What was visible to me was invisible to them. It’s not always blue or red. It’s not always rich and poor. It’s not always gown or town. It’s never black or white. I do my best not to put my mind in a cast. A wizened geezer aka American Way

Yes its true. in my school for example there is very little racial tension, but that is , I think because the white minority who attend are from liberal families who accept the give and take of integration. Very rarely we get problem ( for which I would never paddle) of ‘translation’, that is to say something which to a black teacher appears to be sassy but in white society wouldn’t be so. In these circumstances I get a sort of mutual apology without loss of face for anyone and we carry on. I remember in this regard a little white girl. A truly excellent student she was referred for tardies , and for parking in a staff car parking space ( she was trying to avoid that painful fourth tardy!). She came into my office and announced ‘I suppose Ma’am I’m here for my axx whoopin”I was astounded. Her parents whom I knew well, were both in child protective services , and I thus assumed she would have a ‘no paddle’ form, but she didn’t. I asked if this was right and she told me her parents had said this was a black school so she must fit in, and that meant accepting all the cultural norms! She took the paddling, very bravely as well.

It cuts both ways of course. There is a British (white) friend who visits me occasionally. The first time he came he’d booked us dinner in the nicest restaurant in town. He didn’t know it was owed by a well known old time racist. When we took up the reservation there was an exceedingly cold snap in the weather in the restaurant which lasted the whole meal. Later he stayed with me a few days. Now I live in a perfectly safe residential area of town within walking distance of the main drag. But its a black area. Three times no less he was stopped by a patrol car when walking the short distance from town to my house and asked if he was ‘lost’. One (white) officer put it politely but clearly. ‘I hope you don’t mind me asking , sir, but there aren’t a lot of people like us in this part of town. I thought you might be lost’. He and I both love the blues, and to be fair I take him to blues clubs where normally he would never be welcome, except with a black friend who is known to the management.

I suppose you call it separate development. I know its mealy mouthed but it sums up reality here quite nicely.Its such a great pity when social differences entrench other discriminatory practices and indeed ideas.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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For the edification of our readers with a forensic bent. Ingraham vs Wright 1977 decision.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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debbie112 aka (?) referenced the racial unfairness of the USA judicial system justifying the use of corporal punishment. The contention was better paddle now than incarcerate later.

Here is something some may find worth perusing for what it’s worth albeit off topic.

Prison Overcrowding Cure: Judicial Corporal Punishment of Adults.

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Chapter 15 should prove helpful for many of our readers in this estimable Forum. It’s a self published book including a chapter about something you would not expect to find in a book so entitled. Whether you’re pro or con it’s worth reading. Trust me, you won’t be wasting your time.

America’s (Math) Education Crisis: Why We Have It and Why We Can(‘t) Fix by Larry Zafran

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Corporal Punishment, Suspension, and Detention: Are Those the Answer? By Larry Zafran, Self-Published under the title, Amereica’s (Math) Education Crisis: Why We Have it and Why We Can(‘t) Fix It. 2010.

Bracket philosophy, it is a good over-view of present practices of corporal punishment and other disciplinary sanctions today in the USA. I am posting this especially for our UK readers. Page 291 and following.

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I’m sorry for repeating the above post. I hope it is of value to those who may have missed the posting. IMHO since 2010 nothing has been written to surpass it.

April 11 2013

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4/VOLUME4/Others/USE_WEB_&_Kritsonis%5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_38/ai_n13810111/?tag=content;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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A_L have you read the chapter?
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4/VOLUME4/Others/USE_WEB_&_Kritsonis%5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2005/is_3_38/ai_n13810111/?tag=content;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/schoolhistory/dipietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805EFD8163FE633A25752C0A9649C946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv8pu88C&dq=judging+school+discipline&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=nqS-Sa7mO9eMtgfo-7X4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/AL_trg.gif”);”>hello American Way,

With respect to Chapter 15, entitled “Corporal Punishment, Suspension, and Detention: Are Those the Answer?” from the book “America’s (Math) Education Crisis: Why We Have It and Why We Can(‘t) Fix It” by Larry Zafran you asked above:

I have just now skim read it. It says little if anything that has not been discussed here in the past but says it in a systematic manner. Our former real paddling teacher Renee of ‘Teachers Who Paddle’ would have agreed with quite a lot of it I think, despite its overall anti-SCP tone. I am pleased to see that the original nominee to your Pantheon of Praiseworthy Paddled Persons got a mention. Definitely worth a read is the Another_Lurker verdict, although of course the author says that you shouldn’t read it until you have read the preceding 14 chapters.</div>
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Definitely worth a read is the Another_Lurker verdict, although of course the author says that you shouldn’t read it until you have read the preceding 14 chapters.

Disobedience and lawlessness is rampant and not just in the USA. It occurs among the anti-tram elderly brigade in Nottinghamshire and, doubtless, other places, even the far flung. When we begin to choose which laws and admonitions we will obey the collapse of the Empire and chaos soon follows.
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http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

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Another article worth perusing. Recommended policies.

LEGAL AND LEGISLATIVE ISSUES “Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child?” The Law and Corporal Punishment By Charles J. Russo, J.D., Ed.D.

Require prior written consent fromparents before imposing corporal punishment.

Limit the number of times that corporal punishment can be used on a child in a given school year (this item requires school officials to keep accurate records of how often they have imposed corporal punishment).

Obligate parents to come in for conferences if students go over the limit and are subject to additional discipline.

Mandate the use of witnesses to ensure compliance with policy specifications since this protects both educators and students from any charges of inappropriate behavior.

Place restrictions on the number and location (buttocks) of swats or “licks,” as well as the size and dimensions of paddles, so as to limit the possibility of injuring students; and use reasonable restraint in using force on students.

As with all other policies, school business officials and other education leaders should regularly update all school governance and labor policies, typically on an annual basis to ensure their compliance with emerging legal developments. Although being up-to-date cannot guarantee that either conflicts or litigation will not occur, they can certainly go a long way toward demonstrating good faith to the courts that may well apply the benefit of the doubt in the event that disagreements arise over this controversial form of student discipline.

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Hi American Way,

Interesting article. The issue is , of course one of degree. To test masculinity is one thing, to do it by undertaking stunts which are clearly able to maim or kill, is another. Anthropology will identify quickly functional ritual whereas disfunctional ritual will be discarded by the social process itself. Indeed the very problem of ritualistic enactments is that they are actually manifestly insufficiently flexible to effect the necessary change and regeneration which is essential for every part of the human project!

As to female rituals where these just copy the superficiality of the male project they serve no essential purpose and are simply teleological extensions of male stratagems. As such they offer sisterhood nothing but the grief these sisters have found with arrest in New York and a previous incident in Texas.
This article caught the attention of the mainstream press. It’s not a fantasy that girls fantasize about getting spanked.

Finding the Courage to Reveal a Fetish Modern Love

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Aug 14, 2017#112
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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consensual spanking between lovers = a fun part of sex
parent swatting a young child on the fanny to get their attention = probably an acceptable part of parenting
school corporal punishment, especially if done to cause severe pain = somewhere between sexual assault and torture… or both… definitely could be both
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Is this sexual assault or torture?

You’re kidding me?

 

Did I make the right decision?

 

Thank God. It’s over.

 

Be on time. Yes sir.

 

You won’t see me soon.

 

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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no i am absolutely not kidding… its both and that man at best deserves the mercy of a bullet to the back of his skull for his work as a professional torturer of children.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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mind you, i’m not advocating killing him, it is just what i think he deserves. so do those who have committed atrocities all over the world, though i accept that in the interest of reconciliation and forgiveness and mercy most if not all of them will be spared death for their crimes. i am comfortable with that, in fact i am generally against the death penalty, but if anyone deserves it, it would be professional tortures of children.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Is this sexual assault (same gender) paddling or torture?

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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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thew video doesn’t seem to work for me… probably both. ritually beating someone in close proximity to the genitals doesn’t stop being sexual assault if attackers is the same gender any more than if it involved some sort of ritualized sodomy. torture is intentionally inflicting severe pain on someone else as punishment or to acquire a confession or information… any school cp can cause severe pain so i would define it as torture, is it possible sometimes the pain caused isn’t severe? sure, but the potential is always there so i am going to err on the side of caution and call it all torture.
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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hand caning may have only been torture but its added danger of causing permanent and debilitating injury made it no less abominable than cp on the bottom… hand strapping may have been moderately less dangerous but the way it was applied especially in secondary schools would still make it torture in my book
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Aug 15, 2017#119
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello dane,

For some reason I can’t play the video in the first link in American Way’s August 15 2017, 4:41 PM contribution either, despite trying two different operating systems and several different browsers. I can derive the URL of the actual video, but even that doesn’t enable me to play or download it. There is much on the web about the impenetrability of the CBS video streaming system and better men than me have tried and failed to crack it so I am not too despondent!

Happily an image I encountered in the course of investigating the various scripts underlying the page convinces me that this is the video of the Everyman Junior High School, Texas, demonstration paddlings, much linked here by American Way and others in late 2009 under a different CBS URL which no longer links to that video. If my memory serves me correctly in the video the principal, staff, students and parents extol the virtues of paddling as a disciplinary procedure.

The principal demonstrates how boys are paddled using a willing volunteer and a female member of staff does the same with a female student. In both cases the students are required to bend forward over a table. However the boy is whacked with a conventionally shaped paddle, similar to that in American Way’s second link, whereas the female student is ‘dealt with’ using an oval and rather lighter looking paddle. A then prominent contributor said of the swats that they appeared to have about as much effect as a lining up tap with the cane. Understandable, it was after all only a demonstration.

Other notable features were that the principal apparently roamed the hallways carrying his paddle and I seem to recall that an anti-SCP campaigner had a brief slot.

Although tending to disfavour SCP in today’s world I find your somewhat extreme views regarding those who use and used it rather alarming, especially so as I believe you have said that you never received it yourself. I think you will find very few recipients of SCP who would condemn those who administered it in such strident and unpleasant terms as professional torturer and perpetrator of atrocities. Unfortunately many anti-SCP campaigners seem to take this line, despite frequently lacking personal experience of what they so drastically condemn. For me at least this greatly detracts from the validity of their argument.</div>
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Aug 16, 2017#120
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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i may be prone to hyperbole, but here is the truth of my opinions and perhaps more importantly feelings. i have always found sexual impact play and consensual bdsm very interesting. fairly recently while wondering the web i came upon accounts of real school punishments, probably first a the corpun site. i found my reaction to them was very different, they made me blindly angry, filled with homicidal rage toward to perpetrators. while consensual bdsm seems just like sex, forced corporal punishment seems like rape. i have to admit i find the rage addicting, i sought out more accounts because i enjoy being filled with a towering blind anger, i think i first came to this site by searching something like “resisting corporal punishment” or “refusing corporal punishment”, because that feeds my anger fantasy, the idea of fighting back, the idea of showing people who think they have all the power that the really don’t. i am able to admit my peculiar mind set makes me terribly biased, but then everyone has their biases. i think this site because it seems a neutral as such sites are likely to get, but i admit i am terribly far from neutral. i don’t however take myself that seriously, what i say is how i genuinely feel, but i very much understand the difference between my subjective mindset and some sort of universal truth. i don’t necessarily think people who experienced school corporal punishment are ultimately the arbiters of its virtue, they are only the arbiters of their own feelings about the subject.
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Aug 16, 2017#121
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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Are they unwitting victims of ritualized sodomy?

 

https://www.corpun.com/vidsc4.htm
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Aug 16, 2017#122
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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no they are victims of ritualized sexual battery, i used the example of ritualized sodomy to illustrate how a sexual assault is still a sexual assault regardless of the gender of the rapist.
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Aug 16, 2017#123
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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i also don’t buy into this whole idea that giving children a choice in cp makes it non abusive. if children were given the option of getting three days of iss or preforming oral sex upon a school administrator many might choose to preform the sex act, that wouldn’t mean they still weren’t victims of sexual assault under the color of authority.
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Aug 16, 2017#124
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello American Way,

Congratulations! I came across a link to that picture while poking about in the scripts driving the CBS video streaming and recognised Anthony Price’s purple shirt because many years ago I had one exactly that colour for work with a really super ultra florid wide tie. I was going to link it but then I got engrossed in the scripts again and lost the link. </div>
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Aug 16, 2017#125
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello dane,

Sadly I have to say that IMHO some of your similes for SCP are even more unsuitable than those you use for persons administering SCP, on which I commented earlier in the thread. Regrettably you are making yourself appear just as bonkers as some of our former anti-SCP campaigners like the raving reverend. A great pity.</div>
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Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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On a few occasions I was offered the choice of two strokes of the slipper or a one hour detention. I and most of my classmates usually opted to be slippered which involved changing into PE shorts and receiving two full-blooded whacks with a rubber soled plimsoll across the backside. Although it hurt I did not want to waste my time in detention. Comparing a one hour detention to having oral sex with the male PE teacher. Well……..
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Feb 06, 2018#127
Due to the nature of my employment starting Easter I will be doing primarily research work and it will be impossible to read and respond in a timely manner to postings. The internet has given me a way of staying home and being paid when others are just trying to stay in their homes. As I said last month: “this isn’t a valedictory”, I am starting this thread called scholars corner. Im far from a scholar but I think its the best way for me to kill two birds with one stone: my research and my off topic work interests. Here are some materials that arent as readily accessible without research already posted. This thread may take a life of its own or just fizzle; only time will tell.

http://dept.lamar.edu/lustudentjnl/VOL4 … 5B1%5D.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … ntent;col1

http://www.primaryresearch.org/PRTHB/sc … pietro.pdf

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 946296D6CF

http://books.google.com/books?id=3w0NBv … lt#PPP1,M1

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One of the earliest accounts of school master’s corporal punishment court cases found in online newspapers. Loring Grover’s disruptive blowing of the horn.

February 1822 Greenfield, Massachusetts Franklyn Herald.

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May 25, 2018#128
This article examines a presumed historical association between corporal punishment and the British “ruling class,” taking as data the elaborate forms of beating practiced at a well-known English fee-paying boarding school in the 1950s and here documented in detail. Analogies with other forms of ritual studied by anthropologists are considered, as well as the psychosexual dynamics of beating for both officiants and victims. The paper argues that ritual corporal punishment must be seen in retrospect as a clear case of child abuse that is both physical and sexual. Such rituals of authority, though virtually abolished in Britain, may well exist in a different form in present day residential institutions for children in some Third World countries that have borrowed from now outdated European practices.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … 3491900226
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Sep 30, 2018#129
State of Florida for those mathematically inclined.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio … in_Florida
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Oct 27, 2018#130
The University of Southern Mississippi The Aquila Digital Community Dissertations Spring 5-11-2018 K-12 Teachers’ Beliefs on the Impact of Corporal Punishment on Students’ Academic Performance Robert Sanders

https://aquila.usm.edu/cgi/viewcontent. … sertations
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Oct 27, 2018#131
“The majority of the teachers who participated in this survey do not perceive corporal punishment to have a positive impact on students’ academic performance.”

Like many other studies, this makes what I consider to be a fundamental error. Surely, the fundamental purpose of SCP was (and in a very few places still is) to punish a pupil for misconduct. I don’t know why it is expected to be a magic pill that turns a naughty student into a well-behaved one, any more than a tiresome imposition or period of exclusion is likely to do. The best way to achieve a positive impact on academic performance is inspirational teaching. Teachers who have ill-disciplined classes need to consider whether there is an element of contributory negligence on their part.
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Oct 27, 2018#132
Hello hcj,

Many arguments advanced by teachers and other interest groups will not stand up to proper scrutiny. It may well be because argument and criticism are discouraged in the modern educational environment least the weaker cannot cope with them.

It thus becomes the case that any ridiculous claim can be made without its propagator getting or expecting any correction or contrary opinion and indeed being upset and offended should such a contingency arise.
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Jan 12, 2019#133
When it comes to such an emotive subject as corporal punishment biases about bias can become problematic as this peer reviewed journal studied. Care to comment?

Corporal punishment has been most controversial because of alleged race and gender bias (Shaw & Braden, 1990),

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a5a6/8 … a30160.pdf
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Jan 12, 2019#134
2015holyfamily wrote:
When it comes to such an emotive subject as corporal punishment biases about bias can become problematic as this peer reviewed journal studied. Care to comment?

Corporal punishment has been most controversial because of alleged race and gender bias (Shaw & Braden, 1990),

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a5a6/8 … a30160.pdf
i think it only help confirm which we knew growing up and countries that still use SCP…….that boys get it way more then girls…and even with a pretty equal school population of boys and girls. Society in general i feel treads carefully around females, especially SCP, males are almost afraid now to do anything around females without looking over their shoulders.
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Jan 13, 2019#135
Thanks American Way for posting this. I don’t think anyone would argue that bias does not exist, but it is good to read an attempt to systematically quantify it. I would be particularly interested in bias on socio-economic grounds. Another area of research would be too understand the stated reasons by administrators for such bias.

Perhaps more worrying than CP is bias on academic grounds. For instance after Bacon’s became co-ed in the 1960s girls were not allowed to do certain science subjects. Obviously such bias is more subtle today and perhaps justified on economic grounds.
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May 24, 2019#136
This book has a great chapter on corporal punishment.

America’s (Math) Education Crisis: Why We Have It and Why We Can(‘t) Fix It

By Larry Zafran

Chapter 15.

https://books.google.com/books?id=8GXtv … an&f=false
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Jul 04, 2020#137
Girls and corporal punishment in Ghana.

http://pubs.sciepub.com/education/3/11/17/index.html

Objective of the studies.
1. Identify the forms of corporal punishment given to girls in School in the Techiman Municipality
2. Determine the perceived reasons for using corporal punishment on girls in schools in the Techiman Municipality
3. Determine the effects of corporal punishment on girls in schools in the Techiman Municipality
4. Determine the effects of corporal punishment on girls’ enrolment and retention in school in Techiman Municipality.
1.3. Research Questions
1. What are the forms of corporal punishment given to girls in School in the Techiman Municipality?
2. What are the perceived reasons for using corporal punishment on girls in schools in the Techiman Municipality?
3. What are the effects of corporal punishment on girls in schools in the Techiman Municipality?
4. Does effect of corporal punishment affect girls’ enrolment and retention in schools in the Techiman Municipality?
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Jul 04, 2020#138
Priorly posted view of caning with levity in 2010 Ghana. There has been a precipitous decline over the last decade.

https://www.aroundtheworldl.com/beating … nt-page-1/
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End of the topic.