Schoolgirl Bits
Hello, Members,
It’s Paul:
At last, I submit the first incident from my file of ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
During the June of 1999, I was fortunate enough to work on a shoot with a fashion model called Jasmine. During our time I got onto my favourite subject: schools! I unconcernedly mentioned SCP and Jasmine related the following story.
I doubted her story at the time, as I couldn’t initially locate the school in a book I had that listed all private schools. When the Internet was born and I got my first PC, I did locate the school. My slight area of doubt, even now, is the issue of the two brothers who were the sons of the school’s founder, Natalie Engleheart. She opened the school during 1934 and her two sons ran the school. However, Jasmine is saying that two elderly brothers ran the school while she attended the school and were the two people who punished her friend during 1990. I’ve seen a photograph from the school’s website that shows an old b/w image of the pupils and who I assume are the two brothers. They look about twenty five, maybe younger. Surely, surely they wouldn’t still be working at the school during 1990.That would have made them about eighty-one!!! But she does say ‘elderly.’
Regarding Jasmine, she was an extremely pretty nineteen year old model and I deduced that she was a very well educated girl, who was well spoken. I breached the matter of SCP casually and I doubt she would have realised my real motives. So why would she make it all up? She clearly knew this school and described its setting well.
I shall leave members to decide, and I so much hope this generates some interest.
Thank you.
Paul
(DETAILS BELOW)
School: Moffats Prep School, Kinlet Hall, Kinlet, Bewdley.
Student: Jasmine.
Age at time of her imparting the information to me: 19 years.
Date of submitted information: June 1999.
Age at time of school incident: 10 years.
Date of incident: 1990
Age of her friend: 11 years.
Reason for punishment: Swearing at a class teacher.
Jasmine told me the following: “I attended a private prep school called Moffats. It was strict. We wore gingham dresses. It was run by two elderly brothers. The school was within what I would describe as a large mansion with countryside all around. Corporal punishment was not used a lot, but boys were strapped by the two elderly brothers and the girls got the slipper. But it was rare. One of the old brothers was the headmaster and the other the deputy.
One day my friend, who was a year older than me, swore at a class teacher. She was sent to the head. He gave her a telling off then called for the deputy head, the other brother. My friend was taken down the corridor to a little room. It was known as the room where punishment was always given. My friend said that inside was a school desk and nothing else. My friend was told to bend over the desk. She had her dress pulled up and then got five of the slipper across her knickers. She said it really hurt.
I never got hit at school. It was a very happy place to be.”
****
Jasmine did not say which of the elderly brothers slippered her friend or if it was a combination of both, or indeed, which one actually lifted her friend’s dress. But both brothers were present throughout the girl’s punishment.
****
THE HISTORY OF MOFFATS
Moffats was founded as a preparatory school in 1934 by children’s writer Natalie Engleheart. The school began in a Hertfordshire house called Moffats, once the home of 16th century naturalist Thomas Moffat. Natalie was assisted by her sons John and David, who served as joint heads for many years, and whose own children and grandchildren now in turn play key roles in the family business.
The founder heads were influenced by the educational pioneers of the time, who understood the value of out-of-class activities in education. So Moffats embraced not just sport but a whole range of artistic and practical activities to broaden and enrich a child’s development.
As the Second World War loomed, the school moved to Lifton Park in Devon. In 1946 Moffats moved again, this time to Kinlet Hall in Shropshire.
During the ensuing seventy years, Moffats grew from a boys’ boarding school to one that was fully co-educational, both day and boarding, with a junior department known as Little Moffats. Another welcome development in recent years has been its growing international community, seeing children come from all over the world.
In 2017 the prep school closed and the Moffats School of English was born.
From the School Website
Moffats is situated only 45 minutes west of the UK’s second largest city, but in peaceful, rolling English countryside. It is close to the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and within easy reach of Shakespeare’s Stratford, as well as many fascinating British attractions. It lies in the Shropshire parish of Kinlet, on the edge of the ancient Wyre Forest, and the whistle of the steam trains, plying their route up and down the Severn Valley Railway between Bridgnorth and Bewdley, carries to us across the fields and woods that make up this tranquil corner of Central England.
Kinlet Hall, the home of Moffats, is a Grade 1 listed Georgian country manor house, which still retains the integrity and intimacy of a true family home. For our students this means a space they can call their own during their stay with us.
Whether at work or play, those studying here enjoy the privacy of large private grounds. The school’s 100 acres include the lawns and playing pitches in everyday use, but also farmland, woodland, pony paddocks and a walled garden, all playing their part in a unique environment, which is remembered for life. Within the school’s wooded ‘Walk’ stands the 11th century Church of St John the Baptist.
END of REPORT
I look forward to your thoughts.
There shall be more to follow.
Best wishes,
Paul.
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Schoolgirl Bits
Hello, Members,
It’s Paul:
At last, I submit the first incident from my file of ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
During the June of 1999, I was fortunate enough to work on a shoot with a fashion model called Jasmine. During our time I got onto my favourite subject: schools! I unconcernedly mentioned SCP and Jasmine related the following story.
I doubted her story at the time, as I couldn’t initially locate the school in a book I had that listed all private schools. When the Internet was born and I got my first PC, I did locate the school. My slight area of doubt, even now, is the issue of the two brothers who were the sons of the school’s founder, Natalie Engleheart. She opened the school during 1934 and her two sons ran the school. However, Jasmine is saying that two elderly brothers ran the school while she attended the school and were the two people who punished her friend during 1990. I’ve seen a photograph from the school’s website that shows an old b/w image of the pupils and who I assume are the two brothers. They look about twenty five, maybe younger. Surely, surely they wouldn’t still be working at the school during 1990.That would have made them about eighty-one!!! But she does say ‘elderly.’
Regarding Jasmine, she was an extremely pretty nineteen year old model and I deduced that she was a very well educated girl, who was well spoken. I breached the matter of SCP casually and I doubt she would have realised my real motives. So why would she make it all up? She clearly knew this school and described its setting well.
I shall leave members to decide, and I so much hope this generates some interest.
Thank you.
Paul
(DETAILS BELOW)
School: Moffats Prep School, Kinlet Hall, Kinlet, Bewdley.
Student: Jasmine.
Age at time of her imparting the information to me: 19 years.
Date of submitted information: June 1999.
Age at time of school incident: 10 years.
Date of incident: 1990
Age of her friend: 11 years.
Reason for punishment: Swearing at a class teacher.
Jasmine told me the following: “I attended a private prep school called Moffats. It was strict. We wore gingham dresses. It was run by two elderly brothers. The school was within what I would describe as a large mansion with countryside all around. Corporal punishment was not used a lot, but boys were strapped by the two elderly brothers and the girls got the slipper. But it was rare. One of the old brothers was the headmaster and the other the deputy.
One day my friend, who was a year older than me, swore at a class teacher. She was sent to the head. He gave her a telling off then called for the deputy head, the other brother. My friend was taken down the corridor to a little room. It was known as the room where punishment was always given. My friend said that inside was a school desk and nothing else. My friend was told to bend over the desk. She had her dress pulled up and then got five of the slipper across her knickers. She said it really hurt.
I never got hit at school. It was a very happy place to be.”
****
Jasmine did not say which of the elderly brothers slippered her friend or if it was a combination of both, or indeed, which one actually lifted her friend’s dress. But both brothers were present throughout the girl’s punishment.
****
THE HISTORY OF MOFFATS
Moffats was founded as a preparatory school in 1934 by children’s writer Natalie Engleheart. The school began in a Hertfordshire house called Moffats, once the home of 16th century naturalist Thomas Moffat. Natalie was assisted by her sons John and David, who served as joint heads for many years, and whose own children and grandchildren now in turn play key roles in the family business.
The founder heads were influenced by the educational pioneers of the time, who understood the value of out-of-class activities in education. So Moffats embraced not just sport but a whole range of artistic and practical activities to broaden and enrich a child’s development.
As the Second World War loomed, the school moved to Lifton Park in Devon. In 1946 Moffats moved again, this time to Kinlet Hall in Shropshire.
During the ensuing seventy years, Moffats grew from a boys’ boarding school to one that was fully co-educational, both day and boarding, with a junior department known as Little Moffats. Another welcome development in recent years has been its growing international community, seeing children come from all over the world.
In 2017 the prep school closed and the Moffats School of English was born.
From the School Website
Moffats is situated only 45 minutes west of the UK’s second largest city, but in peaceful, rolling English countryside. It is close to the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and within easy reach of Shakespeare’s Stratford, as well as many fascinating British attractions. It lies in the Shropshire parish of Kinlet, on the edge of the ancient Wyre Forest, and the whistle of the steam trains, plying their route up and down the Severn Valley Railway between Bridgnorth and Bewdley, carries to us across the fields and woods that make up this tranquil corner of Central England.
Kinlet Hall, the home of Moffats, is a Grade 1 listed Georgian country manor house, which still retains the integrity and intimacy of a true family home. For our students this means a space they can call their own during their stay with us.
Whether at work or play, those studying here enjoy the privacy of large private grounds. The school’s 100 acres include the lawns and playing pitches in everyday use, but also farmland, woodland, pony paddocks and a walled garden, all playing their part in a unique environment, which is remembered for life. Within the school’s wooded ‘Walk’ stands the 11th century Church of St John the Baptist.
END of REPORT
I look forward to your thoughts.
There shall be more to follow.
Best wishes,
Paul.
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Schoolgirl Bits
Hello, Members,
It’s Paul:
At last, I submit the first incident from my file of ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
During the June of 1999, I was fortunate enough to work on a shoot with a fashion model called Jasmine. During our time I got onto my favourite subject: schools! I unconcernedly mentioned SCP and Jasmine related the following story.
I doubted her story at the time, as I couldn’t initially locate the school in a book I had that listed all private schools. When the Internet was born and I got my first PC, I did locate the school. My slight area of doubt, even now, is the issue of the two brothers who were the sons of the school’s founder, Natalie Engleheart. She opened the school during 1934 and her two sons ran the school. However, Jasmine is saying that two elderly brothers ran the school while she attended the school and were the two people who punished her friend during 1990. I’ve seen a photograph from the school’s website that shows an old b/w image of the pupils and who I assume are the two brothers. They look about twenty five, maybe younger. Surely, surely they wouldn’t still be working at the school during 1990.That would have made them about eighty-one!!! But she does say ‘elderly.’
Regarding Jasmine, she was an extremely pretty nineteen year old model and I deduced that she was a very well educated girl, who was well spoken. I breached the matter of SCP casually and I doubt she would have realised my real motives. So why would she make it all up? She clearly knew this school and described its setting well.
I shall leave members to decide, and I so much hope this generates some interest.
Thank you.
Paul
(DETAILS BELOW)
School: Moffats Prep School, Kinlet Hall, Kinlet, Bewdley.
Student: Jasmine.
Age at time of her imparting the information to me: 19 years.
Date of submitted information: June 1999.
Age at time of school incident: 10 years.
Date of incident: 1990
Age of her friend: 11 years.
Reason for punishment: Swearing at a class teacher.
Jasmine told me the following: “I attended a private prep school called Moffats. It was strict. We wore gingham dresses. It was run by two elderly brothers. The school was within what I would describe as a large mansion with countryside all around. Corporal punishment was not used a lot, but boys were strapped by the two elderly brothers and the girls got the slipper. But it was rare. One of the old brothers was the headmaster and the other the deputy.
One day my friend, who was a year older than me, swore at a class teacher. She was sent to the head. He gave her a telling off then called for the deputy head, the other brother. My friend was taken down the corridor to a little room. It was known as the room where punishment was always given. My friend said that inside was a school desk and nothing else. My friend was told to bend over the desk. She had her dress pulled up and then got five of the slipper across her knickers. She said it really hurt.
I never got hit at school. It was a very happy place to be.”
****
Jasmine did not say which of the elderly brothers slippered her friend or if it was a combination of both, or indeed, which one actually lifted her friend’s dress. But both brothers were present throughout the girl’s punishment.
****
THE HISTORY OF MOFFATS
Moffats was founded as a preparatory school in 1934 by children’s writer Natalie Engleheart. The school began in a Hertfordshire house called Moffats, once the home of 16th century naturalist Thomas Moffat. Natalie was assisted by her sons John and David, who served as joint heads for many years, and whose own children and grandchildren now in turn play key roles in the family business.
The founder heads were influenced by the educational pioneers of the time, who understood the value of out-of-class activities in education. So Moffats embraced not just sport but a whole range of artistic and practical activities to broaden and enrich a child’s development.
As the Second World War loomed, the school moved to Lifton Park in Devon. In 1946 Moffats moved again, this time to Kinlet Hall in Shropshire.
During the ensuing seventy years, Moffats grew from a boys’ boarding school to one that was fully co-educational, both day and boarding, with a junior department known as Little Moffats. Another welcome development in recent years has been its growing international community, seeing children come from all over the world.
In 2017 the prep school closed and the Moffats School of English was born.
From the School Website
Moffats is situated only 45 minutes west of the UK’s second largest city, but in peaceful, rolling English countryside. It is close to the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and within easy reach of Shakespeare’s Stratford, as well as many fascinating British attractions. It lies in the Shropshire parish of Kinlet, on the edge of the ancient Wyre Forest, and the whistle of the steam trains, plying their route up and down the Severn Valley Railway between Bridgnorth and Bewdley, carries to us across the fields and woods that make up this tranquil corner of Central England.
Kinlet Hall, the home of Moffats, is a Grade 1 listed Georgian country manor house, which still retains the integrity and intimacy of a true family home. For our students this means a space they can call their own during their stay with us.
Whether at work or play, those studying here enjoy the privacy of large private grounds. The school’s 100 acres include the lawns and playing pitches in everyday use, but also farmland, woodland, pony paddocks and a walled garden, all playing their part in a unique environment, which is remembered for life. Within the school’s wooded ‘Walk’ stands the 11th century Church of St John the Baptist.
END of REPORT
I look forward to your thoughts.
There shall be more to follow.
Best wishes,
Paul.
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Hello Paul,
I hardly dare respond after being heavily criticised last time. I see no reason to doubt the story you were given and I don’t see anything particularly unreasonable in the incident.
As mentioned on a previous occasion, would there have been any comment at all if it had been a boy that had been rude to a teacher and a female head teacher and deputy head had slippered him?
I will stick my head above the parapet and ask one question. Does raising the skirt make it easier to hit accurately and therefore more safely? Provided the underwear remains in place, it seems to me it is undignified but not necessarily indecent.
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Schoolgirl Bits
Hello, Members,
It’s Paul:
At last, I submit the first incident from my file of ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
During the June of 1999, I was fortunate enough to work on a shoot with a fashion model called Jasmine. During our time I got onto my favourite subject: schools! I unconcernedly mentioned SCP and Jasmine related the following story.
I doubted her story at the time, as I couldn’t initially locate the school in a book I had that listed all private schools. When the Internet was born and I got my first PC, I did locate the school. My slight area of doubt, even now, is the issue of the two brothers who were the sons of the school’s founder, Natalie Engleheart. She opened the school during 1934 and her two sons ran the school. However, Jasmine is saying that two elderly brothers ran the school while she attended the school and were the two people who punished her friend during 1990. I’ve seen a photograph from the school’s website that shows an old b/w image of the pupils and who I assume are the two brothers. They look about twenty five, maybe younger. Surely, surely they wouldn’t still be working at the school during 1990.That would have made them about eighty-one!!! But she does say ‘elderly.’
Regarding Jasmine, she was an extremely pretty nineteen year old model and I deduced that she was a very well educated girl, who was well spoken. I breached the matter of SCP casually and I doubt she would have realised my real motives. So why would she make it all up? She clearly knew this school and described its setting well.
I shall leave members to decide, and I so much hope this generates some interest.
Thank you.
Paul
(DETAILS BELOW)
School: Moffats Prep School, Kinlet Hall, Kinlet, Bewdley.
Student: Jasmine.
Age at time of her imparting the information to me: 19 years.
Date of submitted information: June 1999.
Age at time of school incident: 10 years.
Date of incident: 1990
Age of her friend: 11 years.
Reason for punishment: Swearing at a class teacher.
Jasmine told me the following: “I attended a private prep school called Moffats. It was strict. We wore gingham dresses. It was run by two elderly brothers. The school was within what I would describe as a large mansion with countryside all around. Corporal punishment was not used a lot, but boys were strapped by the two elderly brothers and the girls got the slipper. But it was rare. One of the old brothers was the headmaster and the other the deputy.
One day my friend, who was a year older than me, swore at a class teacher. She was sent to the head. He gave her a telling off then called for the deputy head, the other brother. My friend was taken down the corridor to a little room. It was known as the room where punishment was always given. My friend said that inside was a school desk and nothing else. My friend was told to bend over the desk. She had her dress pulled up and then got five of the slipper across her knickers. She said it really hurt.
I never got hit at school. It was a very happy place to be.”
****
Jasmine did not say which of the elderly brothers slippered her friend or if it was a combination of both, or indeed, which one actually lifted her friend’s dress. But both brothers were present throughout the girl’s punishment.
****
THE HISTORY OF MOFFATS
Moffats was founded as a preparatory school in 1934 by children’s writer Natalie Engleheart. The school began in a Hertfordshire house called Moffats, once the home of 16th century naturalist Thomas Moffat. Natalie was assisted by her sons John and David, who served as joint heads for many years, and whose own children and grandchildren now in turn play key roles in the family business.
The founder heads were influenced by the educational pioneers of the time, who understood the value of out-of-class activities in education. So Moffats embraced not just sport but a whole range of artistic and practical activities to broaden and enrich a child’s development.
As the Second World War loomed, the school moved to Lifton Park in Devon. In 1946 Moffats moved again, this time to Kinlet Hall in Shropshire.
During the ensuing seventy years, Moffats grew from a boys’ boarding school to one that was fully co-educational, both day and boarding, with a junior department known as Little Moffats. Another welcome development in recent years has been its growing international community, seeing children come from all over the world.
In 2017 the prep school closed and the Moffats School of English was born.
From the School Website
Moffats is situated only 45 minutes west of the UK’s second largest city, but in peaceful, rolling English countryside. It is close to the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and within easy reach of Shakespeare’s Stratford, as well as many fascinating British attractions. It lies in the Shropshire parish of Kinlet, on the edge of the ancient Wyre Forest, and the whistle of the steam trains, plying their route up and down the Severn Valley Railway between Bridgnorth and Bewdley, carries to us across the fields and woods that make up this tranquil corner of Central England.
Kinlet Hall, the home of Moffats, is a Grade 1 listed Georgian country manor house, which still retains the integrity and intimacy of a true family home. For our students this means a space they can call their own during their stay with us.
Whether at work or play, those studying here enjoy the privacy of large private grounds. The school’s 100 acres include the lawns and playing pitches in everyday use, but also farmland, woodland, pony paddocks and a walled garden, all playing their part in a unique environment, which is remembered for life. Within the school’s wooded ‘Walk’ stands the 11th century Church of St John the Baptist.
END of REPORT
I look forward to your thoughts.
There shall be more to follow.
Best wishes,
Paul.
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hcj, stop eating babies you friend of himmler…. you too paul
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Dane,
Resorting to crude personal abuse does not advance your cause but rather the reverse.
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KKxyz wrote:
Dane,
Resorting to crude personal abuse does not advance your cause but rather the reverse.
TESTING AGAIN
Paul
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Apr 08, 2018#8
Hello Paul,
One thing a career in computers teaches you is that eventually the testing has to stop and you just have to get in there and beat the hell out of the new software!
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Another_Lurker wrote:
Hello Paul,
One thing a career in computers teaches you is that eventually the testing has to stop and you just have to get in there and beat the hell out of the new software!
Dead loss me, A.L.
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Hello Paul,
Nonsense! Just do it! Or do I have to post something long, rambling and ever so slightly provocative to encourage you?
Seriously, I’m still learning, but if you have any queries about the new Tapatalk environment I might be able to help. Computing Corner 2 may be the best arena unless queries are thread specific.
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KKxyz wrote:
Dane,
Resorting to crude personal abuse does not advance your cause but rather the reverse.
but baby eating is bad… so when you associate someone with it it implies they are bad as well… and being a friend of himmler implies you are a fascist… and they are the baddest of the bad, so associating someone with them implies they are super extra bad… how could that not further my cause…. if you don’t assume when i call someone both a baby eater and a friend of himmler i’m not self deprecatingly referencing my earlier outbreak of less silly name calling by engaging in ridiculous over the top campy hyperbolic nonsensical word drool
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Apr 11, 2018#12
Thank you, A.L
Paul
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Apr 12, 2018#13
Well I warned Paul that I might have to post something long and rambling if he didn’t get back into this thread. And here it is!
With regard to the subject of this thread, the alleged 1990 slippering with skirt raised of an 11 year old girl at a small private preparatory school by an elderly headmaster, with an equally elderly deputy headmaster as witness, for the offence of swearing at a class teacher, back in March hcj asked here:
As mentioned on a previous occasion, would there have been any comment at all if it had been a boy that had been rude to a teacher and a female head teacher and deputy head had slippered him?
No, I don’t believe there would have been any particular notice taken, even if he’d been subjected to the equivalent punishment by being required to drop his trousers and be slippered on his underpants.
In the era when women were established in the teaching profession and SCP was still current female teachers generally punished younger boys with impunity, with or without associated clothing adjustment. Even the juvenile Another_Lurker, an impecably behaved little lad, did not escape this indignity in primary school.
Ouch! Trapped under Miss B’s arm and bent over in front of the class I can still recall wondering just how much further the right leg of my short trousers could possibly be pulled up, before a barrage of smacks from Miss B’s hard hand gave me other things to worry about. The girl from the year above me, in front of me in the queue, had it easy by comparison. Her skirt was quickly folded back so she was spared the wait for her fate while the target area was exposed.
If Miss B had chosen instead to punish in private and take down trousers I’m quite sure that it still wouldn’t have been considered perverse or untoward. This was of course some 40 years before the incident which is the basis of this thread. However others here have reported encountering similar practices applied to pre-teen boys by female teachers much more recently, indeed right up to the latter days of UK SCP.
So no, I don’t think in 1990 the punishment postulated by hcj would have raised any eyebrows. But of course the thread deals with a girl punished by male staff members. Male teachers applying SCP to girls of any age have, rightly or wrongly, often aroused suspicions that female teachers punishing younger boys were spared.
Here I think we need to look at the type of school in considering what happened. This was a very small family run Preparatory School. As well as the two elderly brothers who were Head and Deputy Head and carried out the punishment other members of the family, male and female, were closely involved in the school. It is clear from the available material that this family situation was very much the main attraction of the school for parents and pupils.
It is very difficult I think for those of us who attended more normal establishments to understand the environment and how the school staff, and presumably the parents, might find it perfectly acceptable for two men to slipper an 11 year old girl on her knickers with her skirt raised. In the contribution linked above hcj also asked:
Does raising the skirt make it easier to hit accurately and therefore more safely? Provided the underwear remains in place, it seems to me it is undignified but not necessarily indecent.
Accuracy and safety might have been improved by raising the girl’s skirt, but I doubt that was the reason it was done. Indignity however, and the reduced protection with consequent greater pain implicit in the mind of the recipient even if not in actuality, might well have played a part in the decision. This I think would be driven by the need to make the punishment special and memorable to mark the dreadful affront to the standards of a small close-knit community which the girl had perpetrated.
By the same token it would be felt that to stress the degree of community displeasure punishment had to be carried out by the two most senior members of that community, the two brothers. If the offence had been a lesser one I’m quite sure the girl would simply have been whacked by a female member of staff if SCP was considered appropriate.
If further evidence is needed that small family run preparatory schools were a world apart consider a case from an earlier era documented in this Forum:
In view of how unlikely it would have been in the latter half of the 20th century (or indeed probably at any other time) for a boy and girl to be caned together and on the bare at school in the UK it is surprising that there have been any claims of this at all. There have however, some of them very lurid. I recall one involving a gym horse over which a boy and girl, alleged partners in crime, were supposedly required to bend for canings of quite terrifying ferocity. About as believable as the account of the unfortunate boy supposedly caned (well he actually wrote ‘canned’) naked on stage in assembly in front of pupils and staff of a mixed Public School!
There is however one account here of a boy and a girl caned on the bare together by a male headmaster that I saw no reason to disbelieve. I gave the contributor the third degree, as did another of our then sceptics. The account rang true. Here it is. Fortunately it is at the start of a page, so anyone wishing to follow through on subsequent related contributions can readily do so. (Unfortunately though, for reasons I do not yet understand, links to the top of a Tapatalk page have a tendency to scroll to the bottom of the page, so you may need to scroll back up. One of dozens of annoying little glitches in the Tapatalk environment.)
Note the circumstances of the punishment: A small close-knit late 1950s Preparatory School, the staff with a substantial family element of married couples. An offence involving mistaken blame attributed to a staff member (cf a staff member insulted in the case in this thread). And just as in the instance which is the subject of this thread, we have an exemplary punishment which even in the late 1950s might have seemed perverse and unusual in a mainstream school but was in accordance with the standards of its prevailing environment.
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Hello, Members,
Its Paul:
At last I continue with this thread, ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
For our newer members, let me explain:
It’s a file that I have that is a collection of quotes from girls/females that I have known, and snippets of incidents that I’ve either found out about (Like the Moffats incident that is the first post here), or have seen in newspapers, magazines or even spanking publications.
The first relates to quotes from some schoolgirls after a survey into SCP was conducted in Peterborough and Stamford.
The second relates to schoolgirls’ responses from a Barnet school in relation to the Grange Hill caning scene:
Perhaps some members have seen both articles before. We shall see.
(See below)
Paul.
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Schoolgirl Bits One
Source : Roue. No19. March 1982
Subject : Readers letter, giving details of two surveys in local newspapers.
Survey One : The Stamford Mercury, dated 5th March 1982.
‘Fiona Sanderson and Liz Jones do not see caning as a deterrent.
“It’s a good laugh,” said Liz, “it doesn’t hurt.”
“If you have it once, you get use to it,” said Fiona.’
Pictures of the two girls are included in the original newspaper article. The Roue correspondent said they were both attractive. No age given, but it appears both girls were still at school.
Survey Two : The Peterborough Evening Telegraph, dated 27th February 1982.
Girl A : Jayne Knox, aged 18yrs, from Deeping St. James, Peterborough.
“I was caned at school and it did hurt, but it put me off doing anything naughty again. I think it should continue in schools throughout the country. I can’t see that it does any lasting harm, although I don’t think children under 14yrs should be caned.”
Girl B : Donna Smith, aged 18yrs, from Orton Waterville.
“I still believe caning should stay in schools and should be dished out equally to boys and girls. It doesn’t do any harm and perhaps does quite a bit of good. I was caned at school, but it was something that was soon forgotten.”
Both girls attended a local college together.
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Schoolgirl Bits Two
Source : Reader’s letter, Privilege No 8. November/December 1981.
Subject : Response from schoolgirls at Southgate Comprehensive, London, to the caning of ‘Cathy Hargreaves’ in an episode of ‘Grange Hill,’ as printed in the school’s magazine, ‘Pen and Ink.’
Original Source : The Barnet Press, dated April 24th 1981.
2nd Year Schoolgirl : “After I saw Cathy Hargreaves on the programme being given the cane, I realised what it was like. I was disgusted.”
3rd year Schoolgirl : “I saw Grange Hill when Cathy was given the cane. I shudder at the thought of the cane in this school.”
‘In a poll at the school, 79% of the pupils voted in favour of Southgate School’s decision to ban corporal punishment. 8% supported its retention. 13% abstained.
Of the teachers, 65% supported the ban. 16% were in favour of corporal punishment, whilst 19% abstained.’
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Jul 03, 2018#15
Hi, members,
It’s Paul:
I hope some of you enjoyed the latest offering of ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
It’s interesting how conflicting the views of caned schoolgirls were at that time. We have Fiona Sanderson and Liz Jones making nothing short of a mockery of being caned.
“It’s a good laugh,” said Liz Jones, adding that ‘it didn’t hurt.’
Does that make her caning an utter waste of time? Has the reason for punishing Liz Jones had a detrimental effect? It seems that whatever she was caned for is hardly going to serve has a future deterrent.
I know some have commented that caning shouldn’t be overly harsh, but here is evidence that it must surely hurt, at least, otherwise it’s merely a token gesture.
Then we have Fiona Sanderson suggesting that if you have it once you get used to it. That seems to suggest that Fiona was caned more than once, at least. The result: Worse than useless. One might as well have given these two girls several one hour detentions or maybe a Saturday detention. Or ‘in school’ exclusion. Either might have had at least some effect. I’m guessing that a female gave each girl a tap on the hand.
By contrast we had two college girls of eighteen who agreed that getting the cane hurt and was an effective deterrent.
With reference to Jayne Knox, she said being caned hurt. My thinking is that her caning must have been particularly painful because she suggests it shouldn’t be allowed for pupils under the age of fourteen.
Her friend, Donna Smith, shared her views, having been caned at school. It’s interesting that she says it should be dished out to boys and girls equally and thinks it does a bit of good. I doubt too many girls held that view.
So I ask you all: which school had it right? The school that caned Liz and Fiona or the school that caned Jayne and Donna? I look forward to your responses on that very point.
Then we had the reaction at Southgate Comprehensive from their girls regarding’ The Grange Hill caning.’ One has to consider the ages of the two girls who commented, but I’ve seen The Grange Hill caning of ‘Cathy Hargreaves’ and I didn’t at all find it over the top. It was just two moderate strokes to the hand. We had one girl saying it was disgusting and other shuddering at the thought.
What do members think of the result of the poll among staff and pupils?
I’m looking forward to you thoughts on all of the above.
Many thanks,
Paul.
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Jul 07, 2018#16
Hi, members.
thanks to all those who responded to my other thread, ‘Skirts up or down.’
Responses tomorrow.
In the meantime, continuing with ‘Schoolgirl Bits.’
Any thoughts on this post and those submitted above?
(See below)
Paul
Source : The Journal, 21st October 1964. Re : Sylvia Burdess, aged 15yrs.
School : Seaham Secondary Modern, Co. Durham.
Date of incident : October 1964.
Original source : Reader’s letter, Roue No 13, 1982,
School governors declared their support for a headmistress who gave a 15 year old girl her first caning. Since the caning, Sylvia Burdess has been off school with her arm in a sling. She was caned for playing tig o’ stick with form mates at Seaham Secondary Modern when a teacher called out to them.
Sylvia Burdess : “He sent me and three other girls to see the headmistress, and caned five boys himself. I don’t know what we had done wrong. We hadn’t been told not to play on the field and we hadn’t been told not to play with the boys.
We told the headmistress we hadn’t done anything wrong but she said, ‘If you have been sent here you have been sent for a reason.’ “
Sylvia said that the headmistress, Miss. Freda College, gave each girl one stroke with a bamboo cane.
“It was the first time I have ever had the cane. My right hand had been fractured for the second time but I didn’t tell the headmistress about it and just put my hand out.”
The girl’s mother said her daughter’s hand was bruised and swollen. The next day, Sylvia went to see a doctor and she was sent to Sunderland Accident Hospital where her hand was put in a sling.
Source : The Daily Mail, 21st October 1964 :
Four months ago, Sylvia fractured her right wrist while taking part in a junior brass band contest:
“I didn’t tell the headmistress anything about it, though I suppose I ought to have done,” adding that she felt feint after the punishment and was excused a games lesson.
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Jul 09, 2018#17
Hello, members,
It’s Paul:
Back in a previous life (LOL), I was working at a sixteenth birthday party in a local community hall. I recall it was quite a rowdy affair. A girl of 16 bugged me for much of the night. At some point, I struck up a conversation with her:
Interview questions in bold.
Source : Schoolgirl at a 16th birthday party.
School : Not known.
Date : May 1998
Age : 16yrs.
In response to the appalling behaviour of the teenagers at the party, mainly the boys, I asked the following :
‘Do you behave like this at school?’
“Yeah,” with a grin that suggested it was fine to behave badly at school.
‘What do they do?’
“Not a lot,” finding it funny.
‘You mean you just get a way with it?’
“Yeah,” nonchalantly.
‘Don’t they punish the pupils?’
“Sometimes.”
‘How do they punish you? Is it detentions?’
“Not really. Normally a telling off, or sometimes they keep you in at break times.”
‘That is hardly a punishment. What if there was real punishment, would you misbehave then?’
“Probably not, but I’m clever, I never get caught, you see.”
‘Do they suspend or expel pupils?’
“They can do.”
“So if they brought back the cane, what would you choose between suspension or a caning?’
“A suspension.”
‘Really?
“Yeah.”
So you’d be happy to jeopardise your exam prospects?
“Yep!”
But if your school decided to use the cane, only, for disruption in class and for general bad behaviour, would that threat improve your behaviour?
“Maybe.But, like I said, I don’t get caught.”
End of conversation.
Description : Quite tall and slim. Pretty face. Brown hair, swept back and tied into a small ponytail. She was dressed in a black, tight fit dress that was short.
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As you can see, I decided to end the conversation while I was ahead!!
Are there any members with any thoughts on what I’ve added on this thread thus far? If so, I’d love to hear your views on any of the recent submissions.
Many thanks.
Best wishes,
Paul
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Jul 10, 2018#18
Paul… i think you ran into a typical teen now a days, think they are invincible, got everything figured out and what rules they break no worry they wont get caught or face any real punishment.
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Jul 10, 2018#19
well not a teen of today, that was 20 years ago, that lass of yesteryear is sliding hard into middle age now.
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Jul 10, 2018#20
Hi, Dane,
Thank you so much
Indeed, yes, she would be, probably with daughters of her own that are likely to be just as cheeky.
Thanks,
Paul
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Jul 14, 2018#21
dane wrote:
well not a teen of today, that was 20 years ago, that lass of yesteryear is sliding hard into middle age now.
correct lol …miss read …but still a typical teen in any era
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Jul 15, 2018#22
Hello, Kevin,
Thank you for your kind response.
Yes, indeed,archetypal in any era. My thinking is, she was a typical teen at that time and it would be similar today. And was it any different when I was a young teen of that age back in 1971? It was the year I left school. I could be an obnoxious little runt. Having said that, as a schoolboy I was inhibited and unremarkable.
Anybody else got any thoughts on this thread? I do hope so.
Where is that Mr A.L, for example??? Finger out, A.L!!!
Again, thank you, Kevin
Paul
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Hello Paul,
This thread has served to confirm my impression that currently the Tapatalk Forum search engine is worse than useless. Having failed to locate something I know is there for a post last night I turned my attention to trying to find the previous occurrence of your reference to the Stamford Mercury and Peterborough Evening Telegraph schoolgirl caning surveys quoted by Roue #19 (your 2July 2018 contribution in this thread). The search wasn’t even finding your recent contribution, let alone the previous instance!
I know the previous instance is there somewhere because I remember suggesting in jest that journalist Sarah Sands, allegedly author of the notorious ‘caned Wrens’ hoax readers letters when she was editor of The Sunday Telegraph, might have worked for the two local papers early in her career and used a similar tactic to attempt to boost sales. Suffice it to say that rightly or wrongly corporal punishment with a female recipient is a guaranteed attention grabber for media outlets, whether it’s schoolgirls in Stamford or models in Malaysia. And if you are a media outlet and don’t have such a story you can always invent one.
The schoolgirl comments on the Cathy Hargreaves caning in ‘Grange Hill’: I am somewhat surprised that in 1981 schoolgirls should have been quite so shocked at what was a pretty innocuous caning.
But by 1981 I suppose caning in state schools was in an accelerating decline and its appearance on TV was quite controversial.
Goodness knows what the girls interviewed would have made of this brief cinematic depiction of a Korean corporal punishment for schoolgirls.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UflOvmgjU3I%3Fstart%3D210
I found a surreptitiously shot classroom video showing this punishment to be one of the more disturbing examples of real SCP that I’ve seen.
As regards the unfortunate Sylvia Burdess, who didn’t tell her Headmistress that she had a pre-existing injury to her hand before holding it out to be caned, what can one say? Perhaps ‘don’t be such a silly girl in future’ would have been appropriate advice at the time.
