As we recently celebrated Dr. King’s life, it is worth examining the difference in how our schools discipline black and white children. In public schools in the United States, black children are twice as likely as white children to be subject to corporal punishment.
Figure 1 shows the comparison, derived from nationwide data reported by schools to the Office of Civil Rights, Department of Education. (All data is for the 2011-2012 school year, the latest year available.) The continuing disproportionate corporal punishment of black children is a reminder that some aspects of the “bad old days” are not fully behind us.
The 42,000 reported incidents of black boys being beaten, and 15,000 incidents for black girls, by educators in their school reflects two facts. First, black students are more likely to be located in states that use corporal punishment extensively. Second, in many states black students are disproportionately likely to be singled out for corporal punishment. Figure 2 shows the annual incidence of corporal punishment by state, with states where the incidence is less than once per ten thousand students greyed out.
While corporal punishment is used in almost every state, seven states account for 80 percent of school corporal punishment in the United States: Mississippi, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, and Oklahoma. For black students, six of these states (Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, Texas, and Tennessee) plus Louisiana account for 90 percent of corporal punishment. One reason that black students are subject to more corporal punishment is that they live in those states responsible for most of the corporal punishment of all children.
Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.
Figure 3 shows the ratio of the frequency of corporal punishment for black students compared to the frequency for white students, with states where the incidence is less than once per ten thousand students or where the rate is equal or lower for black students greyed out.
Some high corporal punishment states are not particularly racially disproportionate. Texas, notably, uses corporal punishment on black students and white with equal likelihood. Texas shows up on the lists of where black students are hit because it is a large state that administers corporal punishment at a moderately high rate.
Alabama—where the rate of corporal punishment is 10 times the national average—also shows equal rates of black and white children experiencing physical violence from educators.
In North Carolina, black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students, but North Carolina uses corporal punishment relatively infrequently and so accounts for a small proportion of punishment of black students. Notably, in South Carolina the rate of corporal punishment is below the national average and is not racially disproportionate.
While heavy use of corporal punishment is more common in states of the former Confederacy, racially disproportionate application happens in northern states as well. Schools in Pennsylvania and Michigan are nearly twice as likely to beat black children as white, although both have low overall rates of corporal punishment.
Perhaps most surprisingly, corporal punishment in Maine is wildly disproportionate—with black children being eight times as likely to be hurt as white children. Colorado, Ohio, and California also have rates of corporal punishment for black children that are 70 percent or more higher than for white children.
In Figure 4, I show rates of corporal punishment for white students on the horizontal axis and for black students on the vertical axis. States above the 45° line in Figure 2 have racially disproportionate corporal punishments. The states clustered at the lower left of the graph have relatively lower rates of corporal punishment, sometimes disproportionate and sometimes not.
Mississippi stands alone.
While the symbolism of continued physical violence against black children is inescapable, the disproportionate application of other forms of discipline may be of even greater concern. Except in Mississippi and Arkansas, the typical black student will probably not be subjected to corporal punishment during his school career.
In contrast, school suspensions are much more common. Figure 5 shows rates of suspension by race.
Note that an astounding 15 percent of black students receive an out-of-school suspension in a given year, a rate nearly 4 times that of white students; in-school suspensions are more than twice as likely among black students.
Figure 6 shows out-of-school suspension rates for black and white students by state.
Out-of-school suspensions are applied disproportionately in every state—all points are above the red line. And these discipline patterns do not line up with old geographic patterns. The highest suspension rates for black students are in Wisconsin. And the greatest disparities (measured as the ratio of black-to-white suspension rates) are in the District of Columbia.
Every time a child is beaten in school and every time one is suspended and thus loses learning time, something or someone has failed that child along the way, regardless of the “reason” for the punishment. So long as these failures fall disproportionately on black children, we are not yet living up to the dream that “children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
This piece first appeared on the Brookings Institution’s Chalkboard blog; additional details about the data can be found at the end of the original post. Dick Startz is Professor of Economics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of the book Profit of Education.
Also on HuffPost:
he Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
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Thanks Bob – some interesting figures.
The first puzzle is that although the statistics are for public schools only, they show CP in almost every state including those where it is not allowed. They appear to show that in each of California, Michigan and Pennsylvania more than 1500 public school students received CP.
The summary is here
If it was illicit, why would they report it ?
As for the fundamental issue raised by Bob, I think the answer might be quite complex. As Debbie has made clear, in her part of Mississippi schools with a preponderance of black students are more likely to use CP. I suspect poverty might also play a role. Looking at individual school figures, some do appear to discriminate, but many would not.
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The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
http://www.network54.com/Forum/198833/thread/1320941601
The stats concerning SCP and race are certainly interesting but need careful analysis before conclusions are reached.
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Jan 29, 2016#4
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hello bob t,
and everyone else. Thank you for the good wishes
I have been recovering from a three car car shunt at a crossroads in town ( I was caught in the middle), which hospitalized me for a week. But I’m now up and functioning again, thanks to the medics and the especially the ER staff. Apparently I stopped breathing for a minute or so and had to be shocked back. The sheriff is investigating the crash which they have ruled definitely NOT my fault. The wreck is a write off.
Good job is wasn’t the sixties, the hospital I went to was then ‘whites only ‘, so I’d have been a gonna. Anyway I’m back but not at school yet ! BTW it hasn’t damaged my delivery arm nor my legs, so don’t take liberties y’all hear me, or I’ll be busting butts!
Why are so many black kids hit. Well I’m not sure its a disproportionate thing. Far more it is that schools in large parts of the south are either very largely black or white . The black community sees corporal punishment more frequently and harder outside school than does the white community, and this trend is reflected in school in my school white s kids are likely to get hit just as much as black kids(unless they are ‘no paddle’ of course as the kids of many white liberal families tend to be). The black community relies on ‘whippin’ a home, whether by belt or paddle as a first line response to bad behavior. In the white community although paddling is used it tends to be not used for first offenses.
Just as white kids in black schools tend to get hit with equal frequency to the colored majority thus black kids in white school tend to get punished less. There are exceptions. Some black staff in white schools adapt to the situation and tone down the paddling except when it comes to other black kids, then black teacher on black kid reverts to social norms, and they well may reach for the paddle more frequently than with a white kid. White staff may also follow this model. I don’t think its concealed racism. I do think it is s problem of clashing cultural imperatives and norms. ‘Black kids understand the sting of the paddle’, the white homecoming queen doesn’t need that incentive to behave.
Really??????Have you been on the receiving end of her tongue recently???????
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Jan 30, 2016#5
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>A most excellent thread by Bob T!
Bob, you said of the articles you linked:
I don’t know about the better computer skills, but I’ve certainly got the time if there are any of the charts etc. that you’d particularly like to see in the thread. Just indicate which ones.
Like Oliver Sydney I am struck by the claim that incidents of SCP administered in public schools were officially notified to the Office of Civil Rights, Department of Education ‘in almost every state’. Surely this cannot be correct – or can it?
The anti-SCP brigade make much of the fact that SCP in public school is only allowed in 19 states, states which they like to stigmatise as primitive and years behind the times. If the articles linked in Bob T’s foundation post are correct then some of the anti-SCP campaigners should take note of Matthew 7:5 and clear up their own back yard before they try to turn their attention to affairs further afield!
I would be most interested if anyone can throw any light on this issue of the claimed ubiquitous nature of public school SCP throughout the US. As Oliver Sydney notes:
So, Debbie112, American Way (when you return to the fold) and Bob T, any comments on this point please?</div>
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Jan 30, 2016#6
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hmmm, I’m really stumped by this one. We tend to UNDER REPORT activity on these returns. That’s because we know MS is a prime target for the abolitionists, so lets not give them any extra ammunition! The reporting is quite legitimate, we usually take a very strict view of a completed paddling by administration, so some fall by the wayside most unfortunately. But everything is strictly ‘by the book’.Its just the informal stuff like an odd swat (or five) in the gym goes unrecorded.
So I can’t account for paddling where it occurs in non cp state. It looks like a huge own goal. What’s more quite frankly I don’t see the only obvious possible suspects ( eg the rogue coaches found in Chicago illicitly belting students).
I can only suggest Oliver Sydney asks the compilers for an explanation. He is a disinterested outside researcher and should get an answer.
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Jan 30, 2016#7
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
debbi112 I’m glad you’re black. I’m glad you’re well enough that I can presume you can take some gentle ribbing.
From KK magisterial paddle’s earliest mention thread is this story from the Nebraska Advertiser. March 9, 1882. Third column. Colored girls didn’t need corporal punishment in Charleston, South Carolina. What happened? Why are they so darn un-docile now?
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The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Welcome back debbie112. Seriously we’re happy that your long term health has not been impaired. My prayers were answered as I am sure as well as others. Racial disproportionalties of incarceration should be the focus and not the paddle. The media are hypocritical when the don’t look at disproportionalities of suspension in their own backyard. Well-disciplined children respect their teachers. Who can say that the respect for authority won’t help reduce the likelihood blacks spending time behind bars? The schools alone can’t stop the cycle with 180 days but they can lessen the odds of incarceration. debbie112 that’s why someone as committed you are to them makes all the difference in their world. I’m sure everyone at school is glad you’re back including the next one in the queue to be paddled.
American Way.
Corporal Punishment in Schools, Aug 13, 2009.
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Jan 31, 2016#9
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Let us consider for a moment how the paddling stats might be viewed by those who favour paddling in schools, as clearly some do. They see paddling as useful and appropriate rather than as something negative. In such cases, schools that make little or no use of the paddle are seen as lax and failing their students thus, perhaps, providing an incentive for over reporting. However, even enthusiastic supporters of SCP will likely be concerned if there were to be too much paddling.
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Jan 31, 2016#10
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hello Debbie112
Sorry to hear of your accident good and very good to have you back. I wish you a speedy recovery.
Thanks for your and A-L’s comments on the mysterious figures. I will continue to pursue the puzzle. Given that it is a presumably an official Federal Department of Education website ( http://ocrdata.ed.gov/home ) I would think some form of stuff-up is more likely than anything malevolent.
I cannot understand why only one person in either the Huffington Post or the Brookings discussions appears to have commented on it.
For those who have not read the whole article it says in part:
While heavy use of corporal punishment is more common in states of the former Confederacy, racially disproportionate application happens in northern states as well. Schools in Pennsylvania and Michigan are nearly twice as likely to beat black children as white, although both have low overall rates of corporal punishment.
Perhaps most surprisingly, corporal punishment in Maine is wildly disproportionate—with black children being eight times as likely to be hurt as white children. Colorado, Ohio, and California also have rates of corporal punishment for black children that are 70 percent or more higher than for white children.
Of the states named only Colorado permits CP in public schools.
I do note that the Govt figures are called “estimations” – I am not sure what that means in this context. They are called “2011-12 State and National Estimations: The 2011-12 estimations are based on data collected from all of the nation’s school districts and schools – approximately 16,500 school districts and 96,500 schools.” There is a summary document at http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/o … apshot.pdf This does not mention corporal punishment.
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Feb 02, 2016#11
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
I sent a query to the OCR people(ocrdata at ed.gov) and received a prompt answer (unsigned). Somewhat surprising and intriguing.
Thank you for your email. You are correct. There are schools that reported students receiving corporal punishment, although it is not permitted in their state. OCR strives to ensure CRDC data are an accurate and comprehensive depiction of student access to educational opportunities in school districts. The submission system includes a series of embedded edit checks to ensure significant data errors are corrected before the district submits its data. Additionally, each district is required to certify the accuracy of its submission. Only a district superintendent, or the superintendent’s designee, may certify the CRDC submission. Ultimately, the quality of the CRDC data depends on accurate collection and reporting by the participating districts. After reviewing the data, OCR is aware that inconsistencies may still remain in the data file. Users should be aware that outliers in the dataset may be a function of districts misreporting data. Also, it is possible some schools are not following state laws on this issue.
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Feb 02, 2016#12
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Private school may use corporal punishment (corporal chastisement) in Michigan and Pennsylvania. All Catholic schools (too late for me) are forbidden perhaps because of the scandals caused by sexual abuse suits. Private schools may very well report incidences to Ann Arbor and Harrisburg under private school accreditation “expectation” policies. Both states have evangelicals who mandate under the penalty of expulsion that the rod be not spared.
Anti-CP zealots routinely and wrongly called it beating. If it continues until the child expresses verbally his or her penitence, that another matter altogether.
Page 10 Michigan:
Discipline Policies. North Central Accreditation Association University of Michigan 950 Victors Way, Suite 50 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48108-2736 (734) 998-9300 in general, state law does not address disciplinary procedures in nonpublic schools.
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The private schools in Pennsylvania are not bereft of state rules.
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Regarding corporal punishment and disciplinary requirements in Pennsylvania. Page 230:
Nothing in this provision empowers the commonwealth and its officers to approve the course content, faculty, staff or disciplinary requirements of any nonpublic religious school without its consent. 24 P.S. §13-1327(b).
Other rules.
Page 231 Pennsylvania:
Private elementary schools are required to teach the following subjects:. English, including spelling, reading and writing; arithmetic; geography; the history of the United States and of Pennsylvania; science; civics, including loyalty to the state and national government; safety education, and the humane treatment of birds and animals; health, including physical education and physiology; music and art. 24 P.S. §15-1511.
Private schools must display the United States flag, not less than three feet in length, in all school buildings during each day that schools are in session. In addition, the schools must provide instruction to develop allegiance to the flag and to promote a clear understanding of the American way of life. 24 P.S. §7-771.
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Feb 03, 2016#13
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello Oliver Sydney,
Superb research, thank you! As you say, a somewhat intriguing response from the OCR data people. American Way notes that private schools in Michigan and Pennsylvania are permitted to use SCP, and I suppose they report their SCP statistics to the OCR.
However unless I misread the map which accompanied the second of Bob T’s links in his foundation post there are a several more states accepted as ‘non-SCP’ which record instances of SCP to OCR. Doubtless private school SCP will account for some of these but surely not all. Is not both public and private school SCP banned in Iowa and New Jersey for instance, yet both of them appear to have reported at least some SCP in the 2011 – 2012 school year. Indeed, your response from the OCR indicates that they aware aware of reports from states where SCP is not permitted.
I am certainly not an expert on the US, and doubtless our US contributors will correct me if I am wrong, but I wonder if the OCR is a Federal organisation and therefore reluctant to interfere in matters which are under the jurisdiction of States.</div>
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Feb 03, 2016#14
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Thank you for your responses A-L and AW.
The OCR figures are only for public schools. It is made clear in their documentation and when you go through the schools no private schools are included.
The statement from OCR “Additionally, each district is required to certify the accuracy of its submission. Only a district superintendent, or the superintendent’s designee, may certify the CRDC submission.” is a little ingenuous. When you look at some states, the districts can be a small as 4 pupils, and many districts only contain one small school. Hence the district superintendent is hardly likely to be a lofty position.
The OCR figures have facilities for searching, but for whatever reason, these do not include CP. They do include “referrals to law enforcement” so for example you can search for all schools with >100 referrals. You can also search on suspensions and expulsions. For CP as far as I can see the only way is to go through district by district.
West Virginia had the highest CP % of the non-CP states (it is actually higher than 8 of the CP states) so I went through district by district. Luckily there only 58 districts. The result was that only two schools reported all the CP in that state. I am unable to tell whether these are genuine or errors. However it is very hard to believe that one school in a whole state would buck the norm, unless there were several and it was the only honest one ….
1) Hedgesville High School in Berkeley County (352/1712 students received CP) See here and here.
2) Poca Middle School in Putnam (15/336 students) See here and here.
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Feb 03, 2016#15
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Very interesting information indeed Oliver Sydney.This really does raise serious questions about the OCR system and the adherence to bans on corporal punishment. I’ll see if I can find anything further out here.
I’m frankly amazed if States like New Jersey and Philly have let these figures go unchallenged.
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Feb 03, 2016#16
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
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Feb 03, 2016#17
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Just a thought….. Could it be because it was so outrageous that no one considered it worth correcting? Could the GARBAGE IN be a mis-categorization of corporal punishment (see link below) as physical restraint. Corporal punishment was abolished in VA in 1989 around the time of the Senate hearings in nearby Virginia and much later in a PA when it was fading away and finally banned in 2005. How many parents were legally paddled in VA and how many older siblings in PA?
New Hampshire (NH) where SCP is banned.
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Feb 04, 2016#18
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
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Feb 04, 2016#19
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
debbie112. The likely replacements due to age and/or infirmity of certain Supreme Court Justices matters when there have been so many 5 to 4 votes and with Justice Anthony Kennedy being the “swing vote” but not as in swing the paddle. For the benefit of the minuscule under-informed UK readers our government is tripartite. The Executive Branch (President) and the Legislative Branch, the Senate (now closer to evenly divided by party) have to confirm Justices by a 2/3 majority the President’s nominee. The House of Representative will have no impact and are heavily Republican at this time and perhaps more likely to be in favor of school corporal punishment.
The OCR has spotlighted poverty (determined by free lunch eligibility), and ethnic/racial imbalances of suspension rates. I believe they overlook the harder to define family dynamics. Resolutions of disciplinary infractions are overwhelmingly resolved by non-corporal sanctions nationally. Missing days means less law abiding and fewer gainfully employed citizens.
Because of the location of major media outlets few are aware and even fewer and fewer of a young people are becoming aware as paddling incidences defacto (principal’s choice) dwindle and by school district policies. I have made the case that suspensions sometimes are lowered when paddling is an option but less than one with suspect. Given the data (however unreliable) it would appear that supporters of paddling would have a hard case for paddling as a way of reducing suspensions. The numbers just don’t add up.
debbie112 I do think you’re on to something. Geography really matters and accounts for racial disparity more than the anti-CP lobby would like us to believe. I shared here a teacher’s impression that some of the disparity was because of selective enforcement. Gender imbalance caused by the sugar and spice phenomenon and racial imbalance due to the reticence of blacks to paddle whites.
I have urged posters to avoid politics. TWP became, in spite of their protestation to the contrary, politically controversial. They aligned themselves on issues other than corporal punishment. Staying free of politics IMHO makes us what A_L coined an estimable Forum. In the American Way the only school that matters is the electoral college. Paddling has not, is not, nor in all likelihood will not have any impact on who becomes a Senator or a President.
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Feb 05, 2016#20
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hello American Way
Thanks for raising the interesting case of Izard County. It is impressive that Arkansas collects and publishes such comprehensive statistics. Whether they are any more accurate than the OCR stats is interesting to speculate. I suspect the bureaucrats of Little Rock are just as remote as those of Washington to many in Arkansas. It is not clear whether the figures enumerate students paddled (like OCR) or total paddlings, though the wording suggests the latter.
I don’t like being pedantic but I could not resist the following once I discovered the Izard county seat is the city of Melbourne with a population of 1803. The county is not quite as paddle happy as it appeared. Izard County includes 3 districts, 8 schools and 1778 students. All schools are 95%+ white. Izard District did not report to OCR in 2011/12 but the other 2 districts, Melbourne and Calico Rock, did. At Melbourne High School 30% of the nearly 400 students were paddled – over 50% of the boys but only 5% of the girls.
According to the AR figures Cleveland County’s 1411 students received some 1290 paddlings. Rison High (Cleveland) 2011/12 OCR figures show 40% were paddled (53% of boys and 27% of girls). Other counties in AR with paddling rates over 20% are Jackson, Lafayette, Nevada and Ouachita. At Swifton Middle School (Jackson Co) again over 50% of boys were paddled but only 5% of girls. There seems little correlation between paddlings and suspensions – several of the high paddling counties also do a lot of suspending. However, Izard County is 13th in paddling but low in suspensions.
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Feb 05, 2016#21
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
What do I mean by family dynamics? Marriage. The fate of children is so dependent on the relation of the parents for they had no choice to be born. This isn’t as clearcut as racial/ethnic nor gender. Another dynamic that is worth considering is age. If the middle to upper teenage has been spanked in an intimate position as in over the knee or with closer by the instrument chosen then it ends when the child is too old to be put over the knee. The admonition you’re not so old for me to put over my knee comes from that but by culture straps and switches are more often used in areas where paddling continues.
Things done on a local level means less meddling from Washington where the politicians send their children. I would trust the state numbers more than the OCR where there is closer scrutiny where there would more likely to have transparency and accountability.
I believe when you’re hit by a teacher while you’re very young you’re more likely not to make the connection between infraction and sanction. When a child dreads coming to school because he’s afraid of the teacher it may because he doesn’t understand why he’s being hit. At six or seven I didn’t sign my test paper and now I pay penalties for forgetting my checks. Unlike A_L I would choose to pay the fine than to be paddled by debbie112. A teacher has more students and less time to spend to understand a child than the parents. Let them hold their children accountable and if they can’t or won’t be grateful they’re not your parents.
In fairness to debbie112 if she didn’t hit hard paddling would be a joke and not a deterrent but there should be compliance to rules of moderation even if some children prefer her to their parents who may not be as comforting after applying corporal punishment. The witnesses may not suffice for they can be intimidated or biased. A child’s safety always should takes priority over classroom order no matter how hold the child may be as I’m sure debbie112 concurs.
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Feb 06, 2016#22
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hello American Way,
You make some very valid points.
What do I mean by family dynamics? Marriage. The fate of children is so dependent on the relation of the parents for they had no choice to be born. This isn’t as clearcut as racial/ethnic nor gender. Another dynamic that is worth considering is age. If the middle to upper teenage has been spanked in an intimate position as in over the knee or with closer by the instrument chosen then it ends when the child is too old to be put over the knee. The admonition you’re not so old for me to put over my knee comes from that but by culture straps and switches are more often used in areas where paddling continues.
Family tradition is probably the most important variable in child rearing. IMHO this is an area where Washington should keep it nose well out! There is a mix of social tradition, religious imperative, racial history and peer group norms, all of which determine the environment of home discipline. In my locality the paddle is the most frequently used instrument of punishment at home, followed by the strap. The switch isn’t used much, we are not in an area where these are readily available. I encourage the use of the lexan paddle, because it tends not to bruise but delivers an intense sting. This is the paddle I use at home.
I believe when you’re hit by a teacher while you’re very young you’re more likely not to make the connection between infraction and sanction. When a child dreads coming to school because he’s afraid of the teacher it may because he doesn’t understand why he’s being hit.
That’s why I’m against using the paddle in elementary school. I want kids to understand the paddle is a consequence of bad choices. Obviously in order for this to be so, one must be mature enough to understand the notion of choice and each be aware they have chosen to put themselves at the mercy of my paddle.
In fairness to debbie112 if she didn’t hit hard paddling would be a joke and not a deterrent but there should be compliance to rules of moderation even if some children prefer her to their parents who may not be as comforting after applying corporal punishment. The witnesses may not suffice for they can be intimidated or biased. A child’s safety always should takes priority over classroom order no matter how hold the child may be as I’m sure debbie112 concurs.
Yes, I hit hard and I make no apologies for that. In my mind a paddling should be an effective deterrent, and to achieve that in High School the student’s behind needs to sting like hell! In my view an effective paddling often leads to tears. Witnesses have to be familiar with the process. They should intervene if a paddler goes in too hard, but equally they must recognise that the usual end point of effective paddlings are yelps after every lick, often ending with full flowing sobs even from a senior! Five licks is a very reasonable dose. A home spanking for an older teen given by me would involve double the licks using the lexan, (and guaranteed waterworks).In most homes it would involve much more than that! The courts have ruled that 24 licks cannot be seen as abusive or cruel. So I don’t think anyone could say I ever endangered anyone’s welfare. A child’s health and welfare is always paramount. No one leaves my office to return to class in tears or pain.
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Feb 10, 2016#23
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Thanks to American Way for the Arkansas school statistics link. I used the data to produce the following Tableau Public visualisations. All these visualisations are at county level and are for the 2014/15 school year. If you run the cursor over the graphic you can see the county name and the rate. I am very much a learner with Tableau (and also with statistics).
Arkansas School Discipline by County
Arkansas School Enrollments by Race and County
Arkansas Free-Reduced School Lunches and Graduation Rates
I also calculated some correlation coefficients at the county level to see what turned up. I used the Excel CORREL function. Perhaps surprisingly, I found very little correlation between CP and any of ISS, OSS, race, graduation rates or free/reduced lunch rates. The only ones worth noting were small negative correlations between CP and the % of Hispanic students, and between CP rates and the county student population (ie smaller counties had slightly greater CP rates).
By far the strongest positive correlation (0.83) was between the % of black students and OSS rates (out of school suspensions) and the strongest negative correlation (-0.76) was between the % of white students and OSS.
There were moderate positive correlations between all other of the % of black students, ISS, OSS and free/reduced school lunches. There was also a moderate negative correlation between the % of black students and graduation rates.
There were moderate negative correlations between all other of the % of white students, ISS, OSS and free/reduced school lunches. There was also a moderate positive correlation between the % of white students and graduation rates.
There was a moderate positive correlation between ISS and OSS rates. The counties that did a lot of suspending used both ISS and OSS. Some of these also used a lot of CP whereas some used very little.
All comments, questions, corrections and criticisms welcome.
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Feb 10, 2016#24
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Oliver Sydney. Thank you for your work. The State of Alabama produces these reports occasionally that may be of interests. I have some others poster on the estimable Forum.
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Background information on School Incident Reports from Blount County.
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Reporting forms.
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The Impact of Positive Behavior Solutions in the K-12 ClassroomA 30K Student Data Study in Alabama.
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Feb 21, 2016#25
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
There has been so much writing about bruises and fire engine red butts we forget that black and white butts still matter in MS as recently as 2009
In Madison County, at least one of the adults involved in the punishment has to be the same race as the child and another adult has to be of a different race, Kent said.
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Inside Special Education: Two Decades In the Snake Pit. William “Billy” Inghram. Lulu Press, Inc, Dec 4, 2015 .
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01. The Beginning – How Education Used To Be.
According to my father, male teachers never used a paddle, but either a strap or a switch. I don’t exactly know why a switch was preferred over a paddle. The paddle was used on Negro slaves before the Civil War. Perhaps using the paddle on a white butt would have considered offensive and degrading by the child’s parents.
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Apr 11, 2016#26
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
MS school discipline. Advancement Project; American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi; Mississippi State Conference of the NAACP and the Mississippi Coalition for the Prevention of Schoolhouse to Jailhouse.
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Apr 13, 2016#27
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Hi American Way,
We’ve referred to the meridian issue before. The interesting thing is that the school board was explicitly excluded form enforcement action, as the black Superintendent had used his best offices to regularize (without success) the way the Juvy justice system dealt with the offenders. Indeed he abolished the right of the schools to report incidents other than serious felony to law enforcement .
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Apr 20, 2016#28
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
Many are unaware how racial differences matter in this country. Off topic as it may be this might give our readers a better understanding of our history. I am not interested in the number of Eskimos paddled. As a taxpayer I feel the Office of Civil Rights should find something other to occupy their interests. debbie112 not a dime should be withheld from schools that paddle legally.
December 6, 1982. People Magazine.
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January 30, 1983. Ebony Magazine.
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Louisiana has its laws roots in the Napoleonic Code. You’re black until you’re proven white.
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A thought provoking 2015 piece by A. D. Powell. Where Are Louisiana’s “Race Flagging” Files?
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“I strongly suspect that the strange silence of the ACLU and other supposed defenders of liberty and rights has a lot to do with the fact that the American black/mulatto elite intelligentsia is overwhelming in favor of promoting a “one drop” myth of blackness and eagerly engages in character assassination against mixed whites they accuse of “passing for who they really are.”
debbie112 this son of a mustefino welcomes a response. I lean toward the author’s point of view. American Way
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The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
I read an article a few days ago that I think directly relates to this subject. I didn’t save the link and have forgotten where I read it. It was reporting on the private prison system in MS. The prisons are a money maker for the state and a source of free labor for manual labor jobs that they would otherwise have to pay prevailing wages for. The entire system is corrupt. Since the war on drugs thing has been scaled back from the federal level on down they can’t keep the prisons full so they are resorting to arresting young people for the most trivial offenses and the judges deny bail and send them to prison.
Politically speaking it always seems to be Republican led states that do these sorts of things. It’s like the entire party has become villains. They seem to always be on the wrong side of whats fair and just for the majority and willing to do almost anything to keep the rich and powerful happy.
I won’t be too surprised if it takes years for this to ever be investigated or see anybody get arrested.
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Jul 16, 2016#30
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
8 licks in second grade. She cried and pretended that it hurt for she thought she may get more. She’s looking back a few years which is like an eternity at her age. Interestingly, she said the teacher and the principal gave her licks and seemed relieved that the principal was not a man. Swats are the term most often used in white Texas while in this primarily black culture the word licks is used. Whites would say that they got a spanking at school while blacks would more often say that they got a whipping when talking about their paddling.
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May 02, 2017#31
Hello American Way
Thanks for raising the interesting case of Izard County. It is impressive that Arkansas collects and publishes such comprehensive statistics. Whether they are any more accurate than the OCR stats is interesting to speculate. I suspect the bureaucrats of Little Rock are just as remote as those of Washington to many in Arkansas. It is not clear whether the figures enumerate students paddled (like OCR) or total paddlings, though the wording suggests the latter.
I don’t like being pedantic but I could not resist the following once I discovered the Izard county seat is the city of Melbourne with a population of 1803. The county is not quite as paddle happy as it appeared. Izard County includes 3 districts, 8 schools and 1778 students. All schools are 95%+ white. Izard District did not report to OCR in 2011/12 but the other 2 districts, Melbourne and Calico Rock, did. At Melbourne High School 30% of the nearly 400 students were paddled – over 50% of the boys but only 5% of the girls.
According to the AR figures Cleveland County’s 1411 students received some 1290 paddlings. Rison High (Cleveland) 2011/12 OCR figures show 40% were paddled (53% of boys and 27% of girls). Other counties in AR with paddling rates over 20% are Jackson, Lafayette, Nevada and Ouachita. At Swifton Middle School (Jackson Co) again over 50% of boys were paddled but only 5% of girls. There seems little correlation between paddlings and suspensions – several of the high paddling counties also do a lot of suspending. However, Izard County is 13th in paddling but low in suspensions.
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Here is a follow up on Rison High School in Cleveland County. It’s arguably could be called the sultan of swats of high schools.
Re: Schools, Black Children, and CP February 5 2016 posting.
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Cleveland County AR had almost as many paddling incidences as it had students. Close to 1500 incidences with only1500 students in the County. I wonder what percentage goes through their entire four years without being paddled?
Arkansas provides easy access to disciplinary actions. If you put in 100 items to a page you can scroll and get an idea of the impact (or lack there of) of suspensions and paddling.
454 students attend Rison High School.
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I think I have found the swinging high school record in the USA. It’s Rison High School.
Percentages of Students Who Received Disciplinary Actions at Rison High
School Corporal Punishment: 58.7%
In-School Suspension: 17.3%
Out-of-School Suspension: 14.3%
Rounding things out a little less of half the girls and a little more than two thirds the boys are paddled. Percentage wise there me be a smaller school that matches those numbers but of schools that size or larger it would be neigh near impossible to match.
46% girls.
71.1% boys.
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British dignitary visits Rison AR.
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1939 Wildcats. High School Girl Basketball Team.
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On a lighter note as I am fond of saying. They take sports very seriously!
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Feb 04, 2018#32
debbi112 I’m glad you’re black. I’m glad you’re well enough that I can presume you can take some gentle ribbing.
From KK magisterial paddle’s earliest mention thread is this story from the Nebraska Advertiser. March 9, 1882. Third column. Colored girls didn’t need corporal punishment in Charleston, South Carolina. What happened? Why are they so darn un-docile now?
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19th century colored schools.
This Georgia Law discouraged integration.
Springfield Daily Republic, Ohio August 13, 1887
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By comparison by population the disparity between corporal punishment in white and colored is far greater then than now.
Evening Star (Washington) March 09, 1881
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The Herald and News. (Newberry S.C.) January 10, 1911
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Feb 04, 2018#33
The Huffington Post has an article today investigating racial disparity in school cp. here’s a link
Mississippi seems to be the worst offender. There are several graphs and statistics which I wish I knew how to c&p here. Maybe someone with more time and better computer skills can post them in this thread.
“Where is corporal punishment racially disproportionate? Essentially, and sadly unsurprisingly, the first answer is that black students are disproportionately beaten in parts of the Deep South. Black students are twice as likely to be struck as white students in North Carolina and Georgia, 70 percent more likely in Mississippi, 40 percent more likely in Louisiana, and 40 percent more likely in Arkansas.”
I don’t have any answers for this but I thought it might interesting to the researchers here in our happy circle.
the original article appeared in the brookings.edu blog
The aforementioned Glenn Bill, making the coeducation of the races a penal offense, was the special order in the House to-day, and of the votes polled there were 124 yeas and 2 nays.
The Indianapolis Journal August 05, 1887
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A side benefit of my research to put a smile on your face from the same paper.
The Indianapolis Journal August 5, 1887
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Georgia On My Mind.
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Oct 03, 2018#34
This video may help you understand why black children are paddled more often at school than other races and ethnic groups. The young girl at 7:37 would appeared to have been spanked in the 1980’s in front of her class. It is a 2015 video and she doesn’t look that much older than someone 20 years out of school.
http://www.mtv.com/news/2355101/corpora … c-schools/
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Oct 03, 2018#35
I am amazed that film was ever finished! I followed their progress for a couple of years after they tried to inveigle Renee of ‘Teachers Who Paddle’ into participating via a post here in this Forum at the beginning of 2012 and I thought they’d run out of cash.
Renee very sensibly declined their invitation after I pointed out that despite the claims made in the ‘invitation’ their then rather difficult to find website made it quite clear that the film would be anything but balanced and certainly wouldn’t properly reflect both sides of the subject. The site was virulently anti-SCP with nary a hint of moderation! Indeed it could have been compiled by dane on a very bad day. ????
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Oct 03, 2018#36
A_L when one (not like some unmentionable apple polishers) got on Renee, et ilk, wrong side as in school (e.g. rubber bands) or posters (e.g. Bob T), you knew it went up their backside so didn’t they have their slant? They were never wrong and were queens of their own domain always knowing what was in the best interests of their pawns. ????
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Oct 03, 2018#37
The video was up and running in 2013. She had control over TWP. She had no control over the video. She had control of her TWP blog site but she shut that down. Why? Perhaps due to lack of interests. I don’t believe she left here because she was running away from anti-SCP zealots’ attacks. She left because people stopped taking an interest in her postings.
If she had graduated from Alabama’s Enterprise High School she would have learned enough Southern manners to have said goodbye.
She wouldn’t be such a queen bee. ????
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