For many, religion and CP seem to be natural partners. How many faiths cared to ‘spare the rod’ in the past, when they could excuse its use as ‘saving the child’s soul’.
Who was it fighting to restore CP in the UK only a few weeks ago? and why? Some private church school I believe, quoting the bible.
The story of the local vicar writing in his local parish magazine in favour of teen spanking seemed a regular story in the pre-Murdoch glory days of the ‘News of the World’.
Didn’t the infamous Eric Wildman often have letters claiming to be from similar-minded church figures in his ‘parental guides’? In fairness, I remember some old B/W gangster movie having a line about ‘taking a belt to the bare-backsides of 18-year old boys AND girls’. Perhaps (ho,ho) there was nothing strange in having a 50’s/60’s vicar advocate the bare bottm spanking/caning of teens of either sex.
Sorry, back to the school context. I remember one person recently, on several similar boards, relating the story of his sister. She was punished for some unfinished homework, skirt raised in front of a mixed class, by the RE teacher. It was a very unpleasant tale, with the girl suffering a great deal of trauma.
Then we have the tale of a religious teacher of similar temperament, who left the UK for the states, set up his own school, and began ‘spanking in the name of the lord’. You may remember his downfall occured when a prospective pupil, accompanied by her mother, was made first to strip naked, and then to accept a sample paddling. Had she been a pupil, he may have got away with it.
And how many ‘missionaries’ from the UK just happened to find themselves working abroad in church schools. Schools where spanking was the first, last and only sanction, regardless of age or sex of pupil. (Not possible; well a few months ago Channel4 had a program, part of which showed the nature of classroom life in an African secondary school. The caning of mostly girls bottoms was brutal, and seemingly never ending.)
Of course, most of the sad abuse cases we hear about from Canada and Australia etc., occured when ‘orphans’ were deported to ‘religious institutes’ run by nuns and priests.
My experience. Sorry, one term at Grammar when some creepy vicar took us for RE (other teachers usually gave this lesson). No, nothing happened. However, I always felt that a few years earlier, in a mixed secondary that permitted classroom CP, this guy would have been like some of the creeps mentioned above. Just a feeling, mind.
Funny, I get most angry reading about kids getting beaten for missing Mass etc., or worse, for disagreeing with the religious teaching of their school. Any religion that needs pain and brainwashing tells me all I need to know about the quality of its values!
So anyone have a view, opinion, or better, any experiences or tales.
Regards.
PS Someone set up a website filled with scans of old documents from Wildman or someone like him (cane seller), claiming to be a relative. The site only lasted a few months. Anyone know if it reappeared anywhere? (Sorry if this is VERY vague, but I don’t remember the details.)
Also, on one of the Japanese ‘interest’ sites, there are a couple of scans (of drawings) from one of Wildman’s infamous booklets. (sorry, lost the URL).
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Annon
Jun 25, 2002#2
The site you are asking about was run by Junior Huntington.
He was a relative of the Eric Huntington who made and sold school canes from the Bognor Cane Company, not only sold canes but leather paddles and info sheets on how to punish boys with them.
UNCONFIRMED::: I think junior Died and thats why the site went down.
Annon
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Robert
Jun 26, 2002#3
For many, religion and CP seem to be natural partners. How many faiths cared to ‘spare the rod’ in the past, when they could excuse its use as ‘saving the child’s soul’.
Who was it fighting to restore CP in the UK only a few weeks ago? and why? Some private church school I believe, quoting the bible.
The story of the local vicar writing in his local parish magazine in favour of teen spanking seemed a regular story in the pre-Murdoch glory days of the ‘News of the World’.
Didn’t the infamous Eric Wildman often have letters claiming to be from similar-minded church figures in his ‘parental guides’? In fairness, I remember some old B/W gangster movie having a line about ‘taking a belt to the bare-backsides of 18-year old boys AND girls’. Perhaps (ho,ho) there was nothing strange in having a 50’s/60’s vicar advocate the bare bottm spanking/caning of teens of either sex.
Sorry, back to the school context. I remember one person recently, on several similar boards, relating the story of his sister. She was punished for some unfinished homework, skirt raised in front of a mixed class, by the RE teacher. It was a very unpleasant tale, with the girl suffering a great deal of trauma.
Then we have the tale of a religious teacher of similar temperament, who left the UK for the states, set up his own school, and began ‘spanking in the name of the lord’. You may remember his downfall occured when a prospective pupil, accompanied by her mother, was made first to strip naked, and then to accept a sample paddling. Had she been a pupil, he may have got away with it.
And how many ‘missionaries’ from the UK just happened to find themselves working abroad in church schools. Schools where spanking was the first, last and only sanction, regardless of age or sex of pupil. (Not possible; well a few months ago Channel4 had a program, part of which showed the nature of classroom life in an African secondary school. The caning of mostly girls bottoms was brutal, and seemingly never ending.)
Of course, most of the sad abuse cases we hear about from Canada and Australia etc., occured when ‘orphans’ were deported to ‘religious institutes’ run by nuns and priests.
My experience. Sorry, one term at Grammar when some creepy vicar took us for RE (other teachers usually gave this lesson). No, nothing happened. However, I always felt that a few years earlier, in a mixed secondary that permitted classroom CP, this guy would have been like some of the creeps mentioned above. Just a feeling, mind.
Funny, I get most angry reading about kids getting beaten for missing Mass etc., or worse, for disagreeing with the religious teaching of their school. Any religion that needs pain and brainwashing tells me all I need to know about the quality of its values!
So anyone have a view, opinion, or better, any experiences or tales.
Regards.
PS Someone set up a website filled with scans of old documents from Wildman or someone like him (cane seller), claiming to be a relative. The site only lasted a few months. Anyone know if it reappeared anywhere? (Sorry if this is VERY vague, but I don’t remember the details.)
Also, on one of the Japanese ‘interest’ sites, there are a couple of scans (of drawings) from one of Wildman’s infamous booklets. (sorry, lost the URL).
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Marcus you clearly disapprove of corporal punishment. A perfectly reasonable position to take, though one I don’t share. CP, as far as I know, was banned years ago. So my question:- Why are you such a major protagonist on this web site? What’s keeping you here? Is it that you enjoy playing Devil’s advocate?
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Sarajane
Jun 26, 2002#4
For many, religion and CP seem to be natural partners. How many faiths cared to ‘spare the rod’ in the past, when they could excuse its use as ‘saving the child’s soul’.
Who was it fighting to restore CP in the UK only a few weeks ago? and why? Some private church school I believe, quoting the bible.
The story of the local vicar writing in his local parish magazine in favour of teen spanking seemed a regular story in the pre-Murdoch glory days of the ‘News of the World’.
Didn’t the infamous Eric Wildman often have letters claiming to be from similar-minded church figures in his ‘parental guides’? In fairness, I remember some old B/W gangster movie having a line about ‘taking a belt to the bare-backsides of 18-year old boys AND girls’. Perhaps (ho,ho) there was nothing strange in having a 50’s/60’s vicar advocate the bare bottm spanking/caning of teens of either sex.
Sorry, back to the school context. I remember one person recently, on several similar boards, relating the story of his sister. She was punished for some unfinished homework, skirt raised in front of a mixed class, by the RE teacher. It was a very unpleasant tale, with the girl suffering a great deal of trauma.
Then we have the tale of a religious teacher of similar temperament, who left the UK for the states, set up his own school, and began ‘spanking in the name of the lord’. You may remember his downfall occured when a prospective pupil, accompanied by her mother, was made first to strip naked, and then to accept a sample paddling. Had she been a pupil, he may have got away with it.
And how many ‘missionaries’ from the UK just happened to find themselves working abroad in church schools. Schools where spanking was the first, last and only sanction, regardless of age or sex of pupil. (Not possible; well a few months ago Channel4 had a program, part of which showed the nature of classroom life in an African secondary school. The caning of mostly girls bottoms was brutal, and seemingly never ending.)
Of course, most of the sad abuse cases we hear about from Canada and Australia etc., occured when ‘orphans’ were deported to ‘religious institutes’ run by nuns and priests.
My experience. Sorry, one term at Grammar when some creepy vicar took us for RE (other teachers usually gave this lesson). No, nothing happened. However, I always felt that a few years earlier, in a mixed secondary that permitted classroom CP, this guy would have been like some of the creeps mentioned above. Just a feeling, mind.
Funny, I get most angry reading about kids getting beaten for missing Mass etc., or worse, for disagreeing with the religious teaching of their school. Any religion that needs pain and brainwashing tells me all I need to know about the quality of its values!
So anyone have a view, opinion, or better, any experiences or tales.
Regards.
PS Someone set up a website filled with scans of old documents from Wildman or someone like him (cane seller), claiming to be a relative. The site only lasted a few months. Anyone know if it reappeared anywhere? (Sorry if this is VERY vague, but I don’t remember the details.)
Also, on one of the Japanese ‘interest’ sites, there are a couple of scans (of drawings) from one of Wildman’s infamous booklets. (sorry, lost the URL).
Click to expand…
I saw the Channel 4 series that Marcus refers to, and must say that the canings in the African school were certainly not brutal.
I’d go as far as to say they were about as MILD as a genuine (i.e. non-token) caning could be.
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Marcus
Jun 27, 2002#5
Marcus you clearly disapprove of corporal punishment. A perfectly reasonable position to take, though one I don’t share. CP, as far as I know, was banned years ago. So my question:- Why are you such a major protagonist on this web site? What’s keeping you here? Is it that you enjoy playing Devil’s advocate?
I guess I take the board description ‘For the discussion and personal reminiscences of this emotive subject’ seriously.
You are as yet, neither ‘discussing’ nor ‘reminiscencing’.
devil’s advocate: someone who takes the worse side just for the sake of argument (poorly worded definition thrown up by quick internet search)
Let’s see:
1) I am against school CP in real life, and consider its abolition in the same vein as that of slavery, the death penalty etc.
2) I find CP interesting in the same way as many people who would never advocate its return find slavery interesting.
3) unlike many here, I believe in freedom of expression.
I think my posts have been within the spirit of 1-3. Now how does that make me a ‘devil’s advocate’?
My posts are intended to create a degree of factual debate about our subject, same as the other early threads by various authors.
Oh, and Robert, I am not a ‘major’ anything here. I contribute, like others do, and like you could do. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the lurkers here have the most interesting stories to tell, the untold ones. The more opinions vary here (in a friendly fashion) the more likely new people will post.
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Marcus
Jun 27, 2002#6
The site you are asking about was run by Junior Huntington.
He was a relative of the Eric Huntington who made and sold school canes from the Bognor Cane Company, not only sold canes but leather paddles and info sheets on how to punish boys with them.
UNCONFIRMED::: I think junior Died and thats why the site went down.
Annon
Thanks,
I love the ‘kind stranger’ principle of the internet.
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Marcus
Jun 27, 2002#7
I saw the Channel 4 series that Marcus refers to, and must say that the canings in the African school were certainly not brutal.
I’d go as far as to say they were about as MILD as a genuine (i.e. non-token) caning could be.
Funny,
with regard to your comment:
-the parents didn’t agree with your opinion
-the pupils didn’t agree with your opinion
-the producers didn’t agree with your opinion
-the teachers involved didn’t agree with your opinion
and those that monitor the use of CP in a Africa would point out that the method:
1) make stick from convenient branch
2) use stick to break will, and create atmosphere of fear
3) whack away with stick whenever inclined, without regard to available space, or position of pupil
has some slight problems. Namely a tendency to cause disfigurement and death.
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Sarajane
Jun 27, 2002#8
As I recall, the stick-wielding male teacher complained that he suspected the girls came to school with padded knickers – hardly an aid to disfigurement?
And as for the girls who were beaten to death, I think I must have been making a cup of tea when that happened.
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Jockie
Jun 27, 2002#9
Yes I only saw a wee bit of the programme and saw only a couple of lightish strokes. Perhaps it was a different programme? If not, then its time ye were aff tae the Opticians Marcus ma boy!
Hyperbole……is that that thingie aboot ……..exaggeration fer the sake o effect? If so Marcus, ah think ye hae a bad dose o it!!!!!!!
Jockie.
PS. Sarajane doll, when am ah gettin ma pint?
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Marcus
Jun 27, 2002#10
As I recall, the stick-wielding male teacher complained that he suspected the girls came to school with padded knickers – hardly an aid to disfigurement?
And as for the girls who were beaten to death, I think I must have been making a cup of tea when that happened.
SIGH!!!
Still, Sarajane’s sulky flames allow me to elaborate for anyone else who may have missed that program.
There were 3 significant examples of CP shown on the program.
All teachers were of same ethnic background as pupils.
1) Women maths(?) teacher systematically picks on each young girl in class, always finding fault with their written work. She delivers 3 (I think) blows to their rear ends, full strength within the restrictive space. Every girl shows signs of extreme discomfort, one attempts to resist punishment, and she is taken to the front desk to be positioned. Skirts are not raised.
2) A whole class is given what some here may call a ‘fun caning’ by another lady (RE or geography?). This consisted of each pupil in turn, boys and girls, receiving a single moderate stroke on their backside. Although the class punishment was unfair (I think it was for underperformance in a home map colouring exercise), the kids all seemed to laugh it off. NB The English boy, as instructed by his parents, avoided the punishment.
3) Now this one becomes very familiar. A male teacher (deputy?) picks on an older girl for minor damage to her textbook. He bemoans the fact that girls are coming to school with SHORTS under their skirts. He then boasts that his caning powers will allow him to be effective regardless, and proceeds to give her 6(?) hard, considered strokes on her backside (she is bent over). We do not see her face.
Now think. The above occured on camera. How do you think CP occurs when the cameras are not there?
Also, the English family are living in a tribal compound. The African ladies react with genuine horror that the mother (white) had not been broken-in as a girl to perform with total servitude to the males.
Now I can’t fix Sarajane’s lack of reading comprehension skills (re sarcasm applied to things I didn’t say). However, I would encourage the rest of you to take advantage of the net, and read some of the UN reports on CP in Africa. Be warned, it makes for terribly depressing reading.
Remember, it is possible to enjoy the FANTASY of CP in all its forms, without EVER wishing pain to be inflicted on the non-consenting.
PS CP is slowly being outlawed across Africa, and is illegal in South Africa. This program was set in one of those Zulu kingdoms (I think) that was given independence from SA. It may be the same place that has the tradition of the reed-dance. That ceremony involves the eligible young maidens of the realm parading practically naked in public in front of the king. Erotic and consensual!
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Sarajane
Jun 27, 2002#11
Marcus,
Your postings suggest that subjects such as caning, slavery, execution, torture, beating to death, and naked young maidens are never very far from your thoughts.
Do you by chance keep a ‘dream diary’?
If so, can I buy the publishing rights?
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Marcus
Jun 28, 2002#12
Sarajane,
sounds as if you are confusing me with a Heavy Metal music fan, or perhaps a modern horror author.
ASIDE: Although I’m NO fan of strawberry jam horror, I’ve often thought that Stephen King must have a pretty cool life. However, along with the fame and riches now comes a broken body. Funny how life turns out.
Seriously, the only thing that bothers me on this board is the idea (from a few posters) that victims of abuse should be grateful to their abuser.
The victims should have no right to complain.
The victims should have no right to refuse.
The victims should have no right to judge the severity of their abuse. No that task is to be given to a ‘person of kink’, whose blind eye would do Nelson proud.
So, I’m widely read on this subject. For myself, anything else would be cowardly. If like the rest of you, I can imaginatively ‘use’ the real-life experiences of people, then I repay that debt by understanding the horrible consequences of real-life power games, where victims are NOT ‘bottoms’, and abusers are NOT ‘tops’.
In the wider world of our ‘special interest’, my original post would have met a ‘yawn, tell us something we don’t know’ response. However, for some, boards like this are used as a refuge from the kink-consensus.
