At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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dphil2112
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Apr 19, 2016#2
The only reasons would be a deterrent for the ones watching, but also to get the punishment done and over with straight away in a classroom environment.
A friend told me how 2 boys were given the slipper in class for spitting out of the window, no doubt a spur of the moment punishment that was quickly dealt with.
It’s the only case I know of where this happened in front of others.
As for assembly in front of the whole school, never heard of it happening and I imagine it only happened in the very old days before my time, but it would be grossly unfair and almost barbaric.
As for clothing, I don’t think it acceptable to remove anything, maybe have a jumper or blazer lifted out of the way, that’s it.
What’s unacceptable now would have been considered normal back then, which is why I’m in 2 minds about girls having their skirts lifted, did it REALLY happen? I would say no, but in those days you never know, if it warranted it then it may well have happened.
I would like to know if it ever happens in the states, assuming that girls are paddled as well as boys, would a pleated skirt get lifted up?
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Apr 20, 2016#3
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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dphil2112
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Apr 20, 2016#4
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Yes,fair point. Like I said, I’m in 2 minds and maybe I’m going on todays standards where lifting a skirt for punishment would almost definitely be a no no, but maybe back then, without the erotic overtones, it may well have been normal practice.
But I would have thought it would only be in exceptional circumstances though, like the hem of a mini skirt getting in the way, or a pleated skirt being too floppy, or the skirt material is really thick and heavy.
I can’t imagine a normal, straight, knee length skirt getting lifted as it wouldn’t make much difference, can the cane/ slipper hurt THAT much more over the knickers as opposed to over a tightly stretched skirt?
But as you say, it did happen, and I would love to know the numbers but probably never will, I doubt if schools kept records of that sort of thing.
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parochialteacher
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Apr 20, 2016#5
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
My students wear a uniform. NO jeans- the girls are either wearing navy pants, an a line navy skirt(no pleats) or knee length navy shorts. Occasionally a girl has a slightly looser skirt, but no big amounts of fabric to contend with. Our school policy is that paddling must occur within an office with only one (staff member) witness present.
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Apr 20, 2016#6
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
In response to the messages posted regarding the removal of clothing to administer corporal punishment. I suppose it is quite possible that this did occur in some establishments as highlighted by AL,s comments in the previous thread to this post. Although, I would have thought this to be a rarity.
I have read several accounts of male and female recipients of cp having to endure the punishment bare. From a totally personal point of view I find this practice unacceptable under any circumstances.
The whole point of using corporal punishment was to teach the person receiving it the error of their ways in the hope that they learn from their mistakes.
Humiliating someone to far will only lead to resentment and have totally the opposite effect leading I’m sure, to a complete lack of respect for authority in some cases. The severity of a caning could always have been adjusted to allow for layers of clothing worn without the need for the recipient to have to remove clothing.
Lisa.
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dphil2112
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Apr 20, 2016#7
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Agree totally, lifting a skirt AND lowering knickers (which may or may not have happened) would only serve to embarrass the hell out of the girl, even in private.
I can’t see it having much more effect than over the knickers anyway, plus the embarrassment of bending over and offering your bottom out for punishment would be bad enough on it’s own.
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Apr 20, 2016#8
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
It depends. In many schools, such as the all-boys one I went to, only the head or his deputy could cane so all punishments were in private, unless a group of miscreants had been called into the head’s office for the same offence. As I managed to avoid the cane completely I never even saw it being used. By contrast, I understand that in Scotland all qualified staff could own and use the tawse, so this was given – on the hand – in front of class in most cases.
There are enough reasonable-sounding stories of canings in assembly or slipperings in classrooms before peers to assure me that this did happen, but once we’re talking clothes removal, especially in front of a mixed audience, my fantasy-monitor starts bleeping.
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Apr 20, 2016#9
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
My immediate reaction is “Yes”. All corporal punishment should be administered in private. Then I think about it a bit more and I’m not entirely sure I really think that. My school used it way too much but I do think there were times where it was useful in quickly dealing with disruptive behaviour in the classroom and being practical it would have been difficult for that not to have happened in front of the class. It was quick and decisive.
But I absolutely think that the bare bottom canings that were given at my school should have been completely private given that they happened. I think that punishment went too far and should not have happened, but it definitely should have been private. And it wouldn’t have been hard for it to have been more private than it was. Just closing the door would have made a big difference.
I never saw a public caning at assembly while I was at school but it was apparently a possibility. The Headmaster threatened to do it a few times for various reasons and I don’t think it was an entirely empty threat. If he had been forced to do it, he would have done it rather than all of us finding out that such a promise would not be kept. In one case, somebody had set off a fire alarm three times in a week causing us to have to evacuate outside each time. I remember the Headmaster saying very clearly that if anybody was caught doing that, it would result in six of the best in front of the whole school, boy or girl, and expulsion. And it would have had to happen or credibility would have been lost. The alarm wasn’t set off again, though, so we never found out. If it had happened, I’m sure it would not have involved any removal of clothing in front of a mixed sex audience.
As somebody who was caned on the bare bottom, I don’t think it was intended to be humiliating. I really don’t. I don’t support the practice – I think it was more severe than was needed – but I really think it was more about making sure it hurt even more and about symbolically making it clear that it was a very serious punishment, not just an ordinary one. But I don’t think it was meant to be humiliating. We were expected to be comfortable being naked in the presence of other members of the same sex. We had to shower together after Games or Sport and in front of PE teachers of the same sex as us. You were not supposed to be embarrassed or humiliated in such a situation. Some people were, but you weren’t meant to be. I didn’t find it humiliating to be caned on the bare bottom by my Headmaster. I found it horrible and horrifying because it hurt so much and I knew it was going to. And I was probably on the shy side compared to many boys. But even so, I took that part of it in my stride.
Getting slippered on the bare bottom by our Matron was genuinely embarrassing but that was partly because she obviously found it very funny that I was so embarrassed – and found it just as funny when we were embarrassed because she walked past the showers after games which she did sometimes. I do wonder about her but I’m sure it would have just been said that it was silly for children – and we were still seen as children all through school – to be embarrassed about being seen undressed by a nurse.
And I remember a moment of absolute abject terror when I realised the Deputy Headmistress was going to give the Head Girl and I six each and for a moment the possibility she might do it the way the Headmaster did went through my head before it became clear that it was going to be on the hands. I’m fairly sure that that would never have happened at my school but the possibility certainly went through my head and would have been unbearably humiliating. Although I would have obeyed. It wasn’t something I would have felt I had a choice about. And it honestly wouldn’t have seemed unfair or completely unreasonable.
(I hated my Mother seeing me undressed too, by the way, especially if it was part of being punished. That did embarrass and humiliate me, but I think that would have been seen as quite silly. It was the idea of being seen that way by any woman. I think part of that may have come from my polio – I don’t remember all that much about it, but what really sticks in my head is being naked and having my legs and arms stretched and manipulated by women and feeling completely and utterly helpless and desperately afraid).
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parochialteacher
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Apr 21, 2016#10
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
In my school the guidelines are very specific. A student will be paddled in an office with the door shut. There will be one witness, a paddler of the same gender and no one else. Whether the intent of baring a child’s bottom is sexual or not doesn’t matter to me. You are baring a part of the body that is typically considered private. I know that it did happen in the past, In my school- it was coaches who paddled in locker room -for offenses that had occurred in the locker room – who did that. I do not believe clothing was ever removed for a paddling. I am wholeheartedly opposed to that ever happening in school. If that somehow happened in my school(unlikely given our specific guidelines-but if it did)the adult involved would be charged with sexual assault. It is possible to thoroughly and appropriately punish a child with a paddling, without violating them. I think we can retain the traditions that are workable and still recognize the genuine values of our time. A child’s body belongs to them. when they are paddled it can be delivered in a manner that doesn’t not impinge upon that.I am sorry that your medical treatment left you feeling exposed and undervalued,
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Apr 21, 2016#11
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
At my school, THE CANE was always given in private, in the headmaster or year head’s study. It was very rare — I guess 95% of the kids never got punished in that way. This meant that THE CANE was a really big deal — no-one knew what it looked like, exactly how it was done. Most punishments weren’t much more than one sharp thwack on the hand to underline a telling off; but stories still went round the playground about how such-and-such a boy had been given ten of the best across his bum, or how the headmaster had lost his temper and taken his belt off. In one way, I am sure that this made it more of a deterrent: you knew that if you were sent to the headmaster, something very nasty would happen to you, but you weren’t quite sure what. On the other hand, it meant that good kids like me who would never get whacked became fascinated by THE CANE – the secrecy made it mysterious and glamorous. I am sure that is one of the reasons I still read forums like this now. If each teacher had had a CANE in the classroom, then it would have been less of a big deal. After all, all that really happened was that a naughty boy got hit with a stick and it hurt for a bit.
I also think there is more justification for a classroom teacher being allowed to say “if you don’t stop being silly, I am going to give you a whack on the bum” than for a headmaster saying “I have decided that because you painted graffiti on the wall yesterday, I am going to give you six of the best tomorrow.” I think a spur of the moment whack may stop trivial naughtiness; but there are better ways to deal with serious crimes than a ceremonial flogging.
It is very hard to believe that teachers ever made children drop their trousers and pants to be punished. Schools were rather prissy about decency and “rudeness”. On the other hand, I find it hard to believe that some schools conducted swimming lessons in the nude; and younger people are increasingly surprised that communal showers were normal. My junior school still had boys and girls doing PE in their underwear! So it could be that in an all male environment, partial nudity was less of a big deal. I can remember conversations at school (between good boys who were never going to get caned, of course) about whether it would be better to have 3 strokes on the bare bum or 6 over your clothes; or whether a bare bum slippering would be preferable to a caning on your shorts. I think I argued that it would be better to take the more painful, bare strokes and get it over with more quickly. I don’t know where we even got the idea of pants down caning from; all the school regulations specifically said it wasn’t allowed. Even comics and school stories showed boys being caned over their normal clothes.
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Apr 21, 2016#12
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Parochial Teacher,
You said of paddling in the past by coaches
Whether the intent of baring a child’s bottom is sexual or not doesn’t matter to me. You are baring a part of the body that is typically considered private. I know that it did happen in the past, In my school- it was coaches who paddled in locker room -for offenses that had occurred in the locker room – who did that. I do not believe clothing was ever removed for a paddling. I am wholeheartedly opposed to that ever happening in school.
I am of course in wholehearted agreement with those sentiments on paddling in school today.
But just to comment on the issue of coaches. I know this sort of behavior was not uncommon, although we are talking to my knowledge about same sex paddling (m/m ,f/f) by the respective coaches. My only comment is that I believe, coming from a coaching background myself, that in the past many coaches saw their relationship with students as much more akin to family relationships. I have mentioned before the reports circulating during my schooling about the girls basketball coach of an opposing High School who used to punish her ‘girls’ over her lap with the back of a hairbrush.Now I’m sure that this was not an approved method suggested by any ISD, but she told the girls, she treated them like their were her daughters. Doubtless this familial metaphor led to longer, more painful spankings than would have occurred with a few licks from a standard paddle. Parents had certainly heard this, but in those days didn’t complain.
Coaches are often present when there is a good deal of bare flesh around, so I don’t believe all were perverted in their approach. Often High level athletes and coaches do have a very close relationship, and I can understand, though not approve,why spanking in a near bare/bare state was not seen as problematic.
As to normal attire
My students wear a uniform. NO jeans- the girls are either wearing navy pants, an a line navy skirt(no pleats) or knee length navy shorts. Occasionally a girl has a slightly looser skirt, but no big amounts of fabric to contend with. Our school policy is that paddling must occur within an office with only one (staff member) witness present.
Having a uniform deal with some of the dress issue I encounter, although having said that most kids of either sex are paddled in Jeans in our school. As to skirts, well I do find some that break out dress code length, but the consequence of that is self imposed one might say, certainly when using either a balance bench or grabbing ankles. If the skirt is so short, well it effectively become paddling over panties by default .
A couple of questions if I may. What position do you administer the paddling in? Do you use a bench, hands on wall , grabbing ankles or what? Also what sort of offenses do you normally paddle for? Do you have cheerleaders, and do they wear their uniform during school rather than standard uniform? We don’t because we think it distracts, but many public schools differ with us on that. Finally do you use a wood paddle, and is it with /without holes, what dimensions etc etc. I know some private schools are less regulated than we are when it comes to type of paddle etc used .
As to the general topic, yes corporal punishment should only ever be given in private. However that is reflecting today’s values. In the past the issue was less well defined. , and hallway /classroom paddlings were seen as quite normal.
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parochialteacher
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Apr 21, 2016#13
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
ok- first off, I did not mean to imply that coaches were perverted. My husband remembers being paddled by a football coach in the locker room wearing only a jock strap. I meant that a bare paddling might happen in those instances as opposed to a student being told, “take your jeans off.”
I have been avoiding this issue since I have sort of a “teacher crush” on you and you are not going to approve… Our school policy requires that boys and girls be paddled for the same kind of offenses- and after that, it all goes cattywampus. Boys can receive up to 9 swats with the “boys” paddle. It’s your basic heavy hardwood paddle- maybe 24 ” long including the handle. Girls can receive up to 12 smacks(their language- not mine) with the “girls paddle” which 25 years ago was a very very thin wood paddle, but has for some years been Lexan. I have gone before the “Home School Association” at least 7 times arguing that this should be changed. With a Lexan paddle, there is no reason for a difference (if there ever was- which I doubt) I have lost by a wide margin each time. In the Midwest, there is a long-standing tradition of boys and girls being spanked differently. The hair brush was the method used on girls and the strap used on older boys. (this was true in my home growing u0p and is true in with my children today)
In my office, I have a padded bench- about 12 ” high its top is something like 5′ by 2′. I have them bend over with elbows and hands flat on the bench. Yes, our cheerleaders do wear their uniforms on game days. Our rules specifically require that a paddling happens with the student in uniform.(I suspect this was to stop paddling in the locker room) I couldn’t paddle a girl in her cheerleaders uniform. If it was a game day she would have no choice but to put on one of our extra uniform skirts(I wouldn’t make her change her top) we could put it off until the next school day, but she couldn’t do any extracurriculars until she had received her paddling.
A paddling would occur if there had been ongoing lower level disrespect (any of our teachers can require a parent conference any time- so they are involved pretty quickly) or one incident of blatant disrespect, swearing, refusing to obey. Issues of safety- my colleague paddled 5 freshman boys last year for acting up during a fire drill. Fighting or bullying can also lead to a paddling. The girls I paddled yesterday were bullies- details to follow. We have a low incidence of fisticuffs. We have no school busses. Teacher supervision is very high, due to the low student -teacher ratio.
please don’t hate me- I didn’t write the policy
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Apr 21, 2016#14
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Parochial Teacher,
I’m very flattered, but of course no one is ever 100% right on issues such as this.
I’m quite jealous of your ability to give up to 12 licks in punishment. I think an extended range would help in the public schools to differentiate between really serious punishments and routine ‘don’t do that again’ reminders
Do you find as I do that the lexan gives a really good sting and no damage, well beyond its ‘apparent’ power? I don’t envy your negotiations with the home school association. At least in our school the basic policy is decided at ISD level, with the implementation and operational detail being left to the individual school. I’ll be interested to hear the details of the three girls paddling. Do you generally find like I do that girls tend to be paddled in their senior year, whereas boys peak earlier? If so why do you think this is?
Presumably with up to 12 ‘smacks’ to administer you spank for tears? Do you give full strength strokes, taken how with a tennis swing from the shoulder? Or have you another technique? BTW is the lexan plain or with ‘holes’? Your twelve inch high bench sounds ideal and a bit less ‘dual purpose’ than mine. I guess with paddling being much rarer in your school, it is a much ‘bigger thing’ than at ours and with 12 licks in the mix you may get some very frightened and remorseful girls closing that office door and approaching that bench with some well deserved trepidation! !
Your point about coaches is well made. I never in any school spanked a girl in a state of undress, although I have told several in that state who are misbehaving to see me later for a paddling!
A paddling would occur if there had been ongoing lower level disrespect (any of our teachers can require a parent conference any time- so they are involved pretty quickly) or one incident of blatant disrespect, swearing, refusing to obey.
Pretty similar to us, but we have lots of other specific rules that lead to paddling/ISS skipping school or class, forging signatures on absence notes, parental notifications, report cards etc. We don’t run detention because either late evening or Saturday school require staff overtime and transport facilities. You presumably with no school buses require parents to suck it up and get to school when you say. Mind you that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like to see a reduction in our number of paddling, it’s just I believe we have an irreducible number of offenses by the very nature of school, and that paddling is the most effective and efficient way of dealing with them. Hell yeah!Well that’s my view!
I think your reduction in grades associated with detention is probably powerful, particularly for bright committed students
In our classes each teacher has 10% of the grade to be made up of class conduct/preparation/involvement. At the teachers discretion an assignment may be given in detention that will allow the student to earn some of their conduct score back. This is usually not a “gimme” assignment. Its supposed to be hard work for the full 2 hours. (a teacher may feel that the offense warrants permanent loss of those points- their call)
On the other hand I feel a bit uncomfortable at punishing behavioral issues with academic penalties.
I’ll write more when you are able to tell me about the bullies, and how you determined and administered their just reward.Bullying is a genuine problem in every school , private or public, and isn’t easy at all to deal with effectively.
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parochialteacher
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Apr 22, 2016#15
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
oh so much to say.
I have some questions for you- if you paddled a girl in a short skirt, wouldn’t the lowest part of the paddle strike bare skin? I paddle low, admittedly it would take a pretty short skirt.
My paddle is plain- no holes, no ridges, nothing like that. I very rarely administer 12- i dont think its fair. The point of the “lighter paddle, more smacks” rule was to make an equitable punishment between boys and girls. There’s no way that it takes me 12 to come close to 9 with the “boys paddle”.
Our Home school association is affiliated with our specific school. So they determine the policies I follow. There’s no convincing people that the way things were done when they were students is not always the best.
Yes, I paddle hard. If a girl is in that position either she did something egregious, or numerous attempts to redirect her behavior have failed. I ask her to put her hands and elbows on the padded bench. I usually rest my left hand on her lower back while i remind her why she is here, and how many smacks she has earned. I step back a step. I step into it and turn my upper body to insure thorough follow through. I flick my wrist fairly dramatically at the end. I only redo smacks if she turned away in such a manner that it impeded the paddles full affect. If she looks up between smacks I simply remind her not to. I frequently have to remind girls to keep their hands and elbows all the way down. I don’t punish them for that as long as it’s between smacks. They cry. That’s my intention and many are crying before the first smack.
I agree with you about academic work being used to make up for behavior. I don’t think that’s exactly what is happening though. The detention is the punishment. Being given an assignment is a way to “Earn back” some of the points they lost through their acting up. I have never had a student refuse to do the assignment I have had some that did such a pitiful job at it that it didn’t help them any…
Yes, our expectation is that with a day’s notice parents will make whatever driving arrangements necessary. Most of our students are in a variety of after school activities, so they may not require any different ride plans. Our detentions also have a slightly longer effect. Most coaches (I have coached tennis off and on and each of my kids at the school have played sports) will bench a player for a game following an unexcused absence from practice. That is a huge deterrent.
I will gather my thoughts about the “prom breakfast fiasco of 2016” and get them written up soon. Its a long story and i don’t want to make painfully long posts.
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KeithInUK
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Apr 22, 2016#16
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi parochialteacher,
As a “Brit”, I’ve been reading your recent posts with great interest. As you know, we have never used the paddle as an instrument of punishment in UK schools. I’ve exchanged several posts with Debbie112 on her use of the paddle, and I hope you won’t mind answering a few questions as well.
First, I see you are in the Midwest so may I ask which State you are in, and what kind of school you are in, i.e. is it a High School or a Junior High/Middle School?
You mentioned that one of your colleagues paddled some boys, so how many other people can administer paddlings in your school? How does it tend to get split between boys and girls?
Do parents have the right to opt their children out of being paddled? If so, approximately what percentage of them do this? In fact could you give separate percentages for boys and girls?
Do students not opted out by their parents nevertheless have a right to refuse a paddling and have an alternative punishment? If so, again can you estimate the percentages of boys and girls who opt for the alternative punishment?
You said:
Boys can receive up to 9 swats with the “boys” paddle. It’s your basic heavy hardwood paddle- maybe 24 ” long including the handle. Girls can receive up to 12 smacks(their language- not mine) with the “girls paddle” which 25 years ago was a very very thin wood paddle, but has for some years been Lexan.
How often have you given boys the full nine swats? What is the most typical number of swats that you give boys?
Have you considered using a lexan paddle for boys instead of a wooden one? Debbie has said that the lexan paddle stings more than an equivalent wooden one without causing bruising.
In relation to paddling girls, you said:
I very rarely administer 12- i dont think its fair. The point of the “lighter paddle, more smacks” rule was to make an equitable punishment between boys and girls. There’s no way that it takes me 12 to come close to 9 with the “boys paddle”.
So again, what is the typical number of smacks that you give girls with the lexan paddle?
They cry. That’s my intention and many are crying before the first smack.
Can you estimate what percentage of the boys cry when they are paddled? I guess this would vary with the number of swats, so be as specific as you want!
Keith
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Apr 22, 2016#17
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
It would be most unwise for parochialteacher teacher to name the State in which she works.
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Apr 22, 2016#18
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Keith, I think most your questions have been answered in my earlier posts. I am the “Dean of Girls” at a small private, faith based prep school. I have never paddled any boys. I administer corporal punishment to the girls requiring it. Other than medical exemptions, our students cannot be “opted out”. They cannot refuse to be paddled.
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Apr 22, 2016#19
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Parochial Teacher,
Just to reinforce the editor’s point. I’m quite happy to say Mississippi because the vast majority of schools there, especially in the delta region, paddle. In the Mid West the number paddling is substantially less. You don’t want your school identifying, especially as it is private.
BTW you can see what is meant her by a ‘genuine seeker after truth’! But let me assure you I’ve found everyone very friendly here.
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Apr 22, 2016#20
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I am very very proud of my school. I sent my own kids there. I have taught there for more than 25 years and no way am I going to name my school… It is a private, faith based(not Catholic- but pretty close) prep school. We have about 1,000 students.
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Apr 22, 2016#21
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Having attended a co-ed school were girls did not receive corporal punishment i was a firm believer that C.P for us boys should have been administered in private.Receiving C.P did not bother me even though it hurt like hell,but if i misbehaved i knew what the punishment would be both at school and at home and i accepted that.Some punishments were administered in private, but a vast majority were given at the front of the class with the boy touching his toes usually bottom facing his classmates,most times the master would administer a slippering,three or six whacks,but the odd occassion the cane was used with the boy bent over the back of a chair or a stool or across a desk.Now the slipper hurt a lot and it was hard not let out a howl when it landed on the target area,but the cane took the pain to a higher level and it was virtually impossible not to have a vocal reaction.The watching boys would know what the receipient was enduring but the watching girls who had no experience whatsoever of this type of punishment found it amusing.Before lessons that were being taken by one of these WHACKING masters as us boys called them i actually heard girls saying to each other that they hoped one or more of the boys got a whacking in the lesson
It was a similar situation at home were even though my sister did get a few leg slappings by mum,i received quite a lot more from dad,very rarely in private usually in the sitting room always over his knee with a slipper,both my mum and sister could witness the proceedings,not to bothered about mum watching but it was embarrasing when my sister did especially with me being over dads knee.Corporal punishment can be humiliating enough without people watching,give me private anytime
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Apr 22, 2016#22
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
The above is a story I have heard variations on many times and quite frankly it shows what a disgrace school CP in Britain had become and why its demise was not before time. Public humiliation and blatant sexism in one showing!
I think there may have been a case for appropriate, measured, witnessed and accountable CP in a private setting for both boys and girls equally, and even still is, but some teachers took advantage of lax standards and procedures, parental indifference and a refusal to confront physical and sexual abuse to have a field day of personal indulgence and play into the abolitionists’ hands.
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Apr 23, 2016#23
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi parochial teacher,
Thanks for your reply and I’m sorry I hadn’t realised that you’ve posted elsewhere in other threads. I had only read your posts in this thread.
As you can give a girl anything up to 12 “smacks” with the lexan paddle, can I ask how you decide how many smacks a girl should get? Are there well-defined rules governing this or do you just make a judgement on a case-by-case basis? And what is the minimum number of smacks that you administer?
I imagine there might be some circumstances when a girl knows in advance that she is going to be paddled on a particular day. In that case, she might decide to put on an extra pair of underpants that morning. Do you have any procedure for checking whether a girl has “padded up” before starting the paddling?
If you do discover that a girl has tried to cheat in that way, what happens?
Keith
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Apr 23, 2016#24
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Two Midwestern States allow SCP in their public schools. Indiana and Missouri. Here is an example of a parochial school. Fairhaven Baptist Church in Indiana.
Brian Rinehart, principal at Fairhaven Baptist Academy in Chesterton said:
“We administer corporal punishment on the bottom,” he said. “It’s done in front of the whole class so no one can claim abuse. We want parents to know up front. We don’t surprise them.”
Proffered priorly.
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Fundamentalists modesty.
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Iowa Catholic School. How sexists is that?
Choose an outfit that is pretty enough to show you are a woman and covered enough to show you are a lady.
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Here is a public school in Boaz, Alabama where you can be paddled for a first offense for minor infractions (dress code) found on page 19.
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Their definition of modesty doesn’t restrict movement. They choose an outfit that is pretty enough to show you are a woman and covered enough to show you are a lady. If it leads to a near occasion of sin for the Catholic boys can wipe the slate clean by going to confession.
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Apr 24, 2016#25
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Not Catholic, not Baptist. Never punished a child in public. I think there might be a few more Midwestern states that allow for paddling in private schools/
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Apr 24, 2016#26
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Y’all
American Way linked an article including this quote from Indiana
School City of Hammond administrator Theresa Mayerik said the district stopped using corporal punishment more than 23 years ago. “I remember I was an assistant principal at the time,” she recalled. “Personally, I am not in favor of corporal punishment. I believe the discipline process should be a learning experience for students. They should learn their behavior is wrong and what they need to do to correct it.”
Sorry, did I misread it . How can you come into a room, answer questions about a specific instance of your behavior, and then be made to bend over a take a good paddling without having the astounding revelation occurring to you that maybe it was your bad behavior that brought about this state of affairs?
I can still remember bending over for my AP at school and being told, as she retrieved her paddle exactly what I had done wrong and that she hoped the memory of what was about to happen would ‘straighten me out’.
Sorry ,Parochial teacher can you, perhaps help me out? What can be more clear as a learning experience than a discussion followed by a paddling? Can you honestly say that a student going through a properly organized paddling can be in any doubt as to the unsatisfactory nature of the choice they have made, or the lesson that is being taught by the application of pain?
I’ve seen some liberal rubbish, but this my sweet Lord, tops all!
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Apr 24, 2016#27
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi parochial teacher,
What religious affiliation you or your school have is not relevant here, and its time that earnest seekers after the whole truth as (just ordinary, not at all esteemed by his own request) Another Lurker calls certain correspondence traits. I think I know your schools religious affiliation, but I won’t mention it, for I recognize that it is not open season to try and identify teachers who are prepared to talk openly about discipline in schools.
I understand you cannot be identified here, as I cannot identify myself. If people are not satisfied with that tough – its the rules of the game. In any case I don’t see anyone else clamouring to reveal their identity .
Thank you trackoid for putting this hopefully to rest .
Please parochial teacher continue to correspond your experience and views are valuable and appreciated, certainly by myself and I’m sure others.
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Apr 24, 2016#28
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Absolutely agree that it should be in private. It is humiliating enough to have to bend over a desk to be caned and doing that in front of a class would make the experience even worse. At my school caning took place in the privacy of the Heads office with no one else present and I am very grateful for that.
Rebecca
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Apr 27, 2016#29
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
For all us Brits, surely the most fascinating case was the Helston Grammar School one of the mid-1960s, where the male Headmaster and female Deputy administered a severe bare bottom clothesbrushing to two 17 & 18 y/o old girls for the heinous crime od canoodling with two boys after rehearsals for the school play. This has been discussed periodically on this site over the years, and elsewhere.
From what I remember, it was suggested in Court that this was a one-off occurrence, but subsequent correspondence from other pupils seemed to support the theory that Mr Guise and Miss Smith were quite often inclined to resort to this method of punishment, maybe she more then he. Can anyone shed more light on this?
As this thread is about privacy, I’m not sure on which side of the fence this story falls. The girls were spanked separately, but in the presence of both teachers, with each girl being held down by one whilst spanked by the other.
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Apr 27, 2016#30
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I find the removal of clothing other than a coat by a member of staff to be completely unacceptable in any circumstances.
The case referred to in the above thread where two female students were apparently punished bare by male and female members of staff is in my opinion grossly offensive and extreme. Abuse of this nature I’m sure must have played a significant part in the eventual abolition of corporal punishment in the uk.
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Apr 27, 2016#31
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Edited. The Daily Telegraph Friday, 3rd July, 1964
A Grammar school headmaster ordered two girl pupils of 17 and 18 to undress partly and tuck up their knickers before spanking them on their bare buttocks with the back of a hair brush (clothes brush actually. Ed), Truro magistrates were told yesterday.
John Lindsay Guise, 30, who recently resigned his post at Helston grammar school, was fined £50 on two summonses for assault. The case arose from the punishment of the girls for taking part in a ‘necking’ session in the school. The school’s senior mistress, Mrs. Marjorie Smith, 58, who assisted in the punishment, was fined a total of £30 on similar summonses. both pleaded guilty.
Mr. J. Wood, prosecuting, said that the two girls one 17 at the time now 18 and the other 18, had ‘paired up’ with a sixth form boy and another youth. They had been rehearsing scenes from Shakespeare in the school’s Green room when school had finished for the day. ‘They engaged in kissing and cuddling. There is no question of anything more serious.’ Both girls were subsequently called to the head’s office and given the option of a spanking on the understanding that nothing more would be said about the Green room incident.
Describing the spanking of the younger girl. Mr. Wood said she was sent to Mrs Smith’s room. Guise told her to take off her jumper, skirt and underskirt, tuck her blouse into her knickers and tuck up her knickers so that her buttocks were exposed. He then told her to lean over a table with her legs apart and also hold his hand and look at him. Mrs Smith stood behind her and began hitting her on each buttock with the back of a hair brush (clothes brush actually. Get it right! Ed).
When she stopped Guise made the girl stand between his knees, bending over as if to touch her toes. He hit her with the same brush about the same number of times. When he had finished he said: ‘She doesn’t look very sorry. Perhaps she had better have some more.’ Both hit her again, Guise taking her over his knee and holding her hands behind her back. Later he placed his hands on both buttocks and asked if it hurt.
A doctor examined the girl 50 or more hours later and found considerable bruising covering 72 square inches. (She must have had a big bum. Ed.) The elder girl was similarly told to take off part of her clothing, including panties and girdle, (girdle? bloody disgrace! Ed) which she wore under her knickers. Guise, in a statement had said: ‘We have had cases of pregnant girls’ He added that the Green room incident was ‘full of dangerous possibilities.’ He had touched the girls on the buttocks to check the degree of bruising. Mr. Lewis McCreery, for Mrs Smith, submitted that her degree of responsibility was slight. The chairman said that the magistrates had borne in mind the ‘ excellent character of both defendants’. Guise was ordered to pay £15 costs and Mrs Smith £10.
The Cornishman – the local paper gave the story many column inches, here is an extract detailing Mrs Smith’s statement.
Mrs Smith went on to describe the beating. She stopped beating the girl once or twice (wimp. Ed) but Mr. Guise instructed her to go on. She did so until he told her to stop. She continued, ‘I got the impression he thought she was unrepentant. He asked her if she was really sorry then he looked across at me and asked if I thought she had had enough. I said yes because I though she had. He told me to beat her again and he himself beat her again across his knee. the girl took it very bravely. He told her to bend over and called me to look, and he himself touched her buttocks with his hand and asked her if it hurt.
‘Then the headmaster shook hands with her and said it would all be forgotten’ she went on, ‘ I think the second beating was unreasonable because she was quite badly bruised.’ (so she should be. Ed). Of the second girl’s case Mrs. Smith said this one had made a similar statement (agreeing to be spanked) and confirmed it to the mistress. The Headmaster told the girl to take off her suspender belt and put on her navy knickers again. She went into the corner to do this while he stood by the door, where it was quite impossible for him to see her. Mrs. Smith went on to describe the second girl’s beating. He instructed the mistress to hit her but she did not think she gave her more than half a dozen. Then the headmaster repeated the beating over his knees. The girl whimpered quite a little(don’t they all – actresses, all of them. Ed). she continued, “I do think this beating was quite a reasonable one not too severe nor too long.”
After the trial Mr Guise said “I’ve been stitched up by BLOODY DO-GOODERS. If I’d known there’d be all this fuss I’d have given them a damn good thrashing with the cane!”
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I’m sorry if this all familiar territory. The article said he was thirty when he was actually sixty at the time of the incident. Here is Guise as a young man.
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It wasn’t cricket what he did to those bottoms. Never get paddled by a tennis coach or by debbie112.
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Apr 27, 2016#32
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I knew I could rely on you to reproduce the article, AW! Someone had to.
The question that was often asked afterwards was why the boys weren’t also punished. I always thought it took two to tango. If they had been, would it also have been bare-bottomed, and by both teachers? And from my limited knowledge of biology, it takes more than a kiss and cuddle to make a girl pregnant.
I am sure I read many years later, possibly on FR, that these young ladies were certainly not the only ones to feel the sting of that clothesbrush. Both Guise and Smith were quite keen on the idea apparently. Of course there may have been some poetic licence there, but we can but hope. Maybe someone who was there at the time reads this site and can enlighten us. I’m sure Debbie112 would love to administer a spanking like that!
Tell you what, I’d happily have taken Mr G’s place for a £30 fine. The girls I meet charge a lot more!!
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Apr 27, 2016#33
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Apr 28, 2016#34
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Thank you so much for your reminder, Brian, I knew I hadn’t imagined it. It just shows what appeared acceptable in those days. A £30 fine in 1964, probably 10 years in the slammer today, especially if other similar instances had come to light! How times have changed. For the better? It has echoes of the John Peverett case.
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Apr 28, 2016#35
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Apr 28, 2016#36
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Apr 28, 2016#37
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Oops! Sorry John.
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Apr 28, 2016#38
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Apr 29, 2016#39
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Interesting to read AN’s post about changing attitudes etc and yes, he has a point about the ‘teenager with attitude’ not yet invented in the 50’s and 60’s, but by the late 70’s when I left school they definitely were invented, and SCP was definitely still in use, I’m assuming for girls as well, although it probably was being phased out.
But things do change, and I don’t think it would ever be re-introduced here partly because of the changing attitudes of teenagers.
But what about America? as far as I can tell they still paddle teenage girls in some states, how do they get away with telling a teenage girl to bend over? Obviously only female staff can do that but it surprises me that it could still happen.
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Apr 29, 2016#40
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Males paddling 16-year-old girl in Arkansas and possibly even 19-year-old girl in MS. The onerous task can be assigned due to the status and not the gender of the paddler.
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Apr 29, 2016#41
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Totally agree with Another_Lurker. It is amazing today to imagine two girls of that age submitting to the indignities proscribed by Mr Guise. As you say, authority was always obeyed in those days. However, I have no doubt that his motives were over and above mere punishment. He definitely enjoyed the encounters, whether for sexual motives or just the feeling of power.
However, I remember the only two occasions I was hit at Grammar school. Both times were unfair as I had done nothing wrong, but I didn’t argue or complain, I just accepted it. They probably made up for the occasions I talked my way out of slippering or caning, sweet-talking bastard that I am!
I think the indication in Court that the bruising on one girl covered 72 sq ins is worthy of comment. It suggests an area of say 9 ins by 8 ins. That must mean that some of the blows were aimed down the backs of the thighs and round towards the hips. Unless she had a very large bottom of course!
And dphil, “teenagers” are an invention of the revolution of the 1960s. Before that, we were just “young adults.” I was merely a younger version of my father. 15 was an odd age then. You could get into the cinemas half-price up to 14, and watch X films at 16. At 15, you got nothing, although I did attempt to pay half-price for an adult film at that age. Failed miserably.
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Apr 29, 2016#42
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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May 01, 2016#43
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I do not think there is any simple or universal rule about whether school CP should be administered in public or private. It is very much a cultural thing. What is acceptable in one time and place might be totally objectionable elsewhere or in another age.
At my co-ed primary school hands were strapped in front of the whole class with boys getting perhaps 10 times more punishments than girls. It was “normal” and caused few if any problems. It was not embarrassing. We all knew what getting the strap involved. Teachers were deterred from excess and abuse.
At my co-ed secondary school only boys were subject to CP which involved caning on the clothed buttocks. This was never done in the presence of girls but often within their hearing. I can not image any boy would want to be caned with girls watching but would be far less bothered by a male audience. This was when we changed clothes and showered, etc. without privacy. It was also a time when few boys could image a school operating without recourse to CP.
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May 02, 2016#44
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi, Lisa,
It’s Paul.
Hope you are well.
As you might well see later, I have set you a question on the thread that I started regarding my asking girls/ladies of current generation what they’d choose between the cane on the hand or cane on the bottom. Sadly, I think my thread was not received too positively…..oh, well, I do try!!! LOL! I do thank you for responding. However, please do go and see the question I have set both you and Rebecca (Homework time!!!! LOL!) on that thread. Thank you.
Anyway, to your experiences at school. If you don’t mind my saying, you were caned an awful lot! Was it it a strict school that always used the cane as a first step rather than a last resort? Or, dare I ask, were you a particularly badly behaved pupil? You don’t come across as being that type: your posts are calm, measured and rational, and extremely friendly. There is no hint of your being rude or aggressive.
Were you one of the most caned girls in the school and were you on a par with the boys?
Were there any other girls caned as much as you or nearly as much?
You mentioned skirts at the school. You say it was knee length and girls rolled them up higher. Also made them tighter. So i assume it had no pleats? But surly when you bent over the desk it must have ridden up very high? Was this not embarrassing? (I suppose with a female witness present, it offset that issue somewhat).
You have said quite often that the cane was never brutal or harsh. But surely it must have been a very painful experience, especially as you did experience six on occasion.
I suppose those who got the cane abolished in this country and the STOPP organisation would venture to suggest the cane never worked for you because you got it so many times. Would you agree with that? I guess you would not.
Did you say that you never, ever cried openly after or during being caned and that you never yelled out or made a noise?
I would love to hear your thoughts, Lisa
Best wishes,
Paul.
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May 02, 2016#45
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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May 04, 2016#46
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your question, in response may I say that the punishments I recieved at school were all as I have many times stated well deserved. I don’t think I was caned excessively as the cane was the main method of punishment used by the school. As for being given this form of punishment, i never regarded it as being over the top so to speak. Each caning i recieved learned me a lesson and I didn’t repeat the offence again. I never found the process of bending over to be punished embarrassing. I suppose some would but, it never affected me to any extent. My character has always been outgoing and adventurous and I just accepted the fact that I had done wrong and took the consequences I hope, gracefully. I don’t think I was a particularly naughty girl just as I am today high spirited. I was 16/17 years old and very much involved with boyfriend,s rather than school work. I, without in any way wishing to appear promiscuous or even boastful, was never short of attention from the opposite sex. This on the last two occasions I was caned was my downfall. The positive side was of course the fact that I learned a lesson and I will always thank my parents, headmaster and teachers for that.
Lisa.
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May 05, 2016#47
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Hi. Lisa
I thank you for your lovely and most thoughtful reply. It was greatly appreciated.
Of the posts I have read of yours, relating to your canings at school, I have always admired your honesty and you’re stating that they were all deserved. Did your opinion that you deserved the canings grow stronger as the years went by into adulthood, or did you feel as strongly when you were at school?
Those that were part of the anti whacking pressure group, STOPP and many others of that ilk, probably would have said that you were yet another example of a schoolkid who got whacked over and over again and it didn’t work. But you have clearly shown how wrong these groups were. You have said that you learned from the cane and never repeated the offence again.
You say that you were high-spirited, and I’m sure lots of high-spirited pupils got the cane.
With reference to your not being embarrassed or perturbed by bending over the desk, I’m quite surprised. You must have been a very brave and doughty teenager. I can only imagine many, many girls would have felt extremely humiliated. I know I have mentioned your school skirt before, and you said you were one of many girls who ‘rolled them up.’ Surely when you bent that far over the desk (right over, reaching for the far edge). it must have ridden up pretty high? You must have been pretty aware of that? Perhaps being the vivacious, exuberant girl that you were, you saw the amusing side of it and didn’t object to a possible ‘leg show.’ I know you said it was grey and quite tight, but did it have a pleated or loose hem?
Yes, I did chuckle that a your last caning offences involved boys. It is abundantly clear that you were fun loving and a bit of a live wire, and it seems a very pretty girl who got lots of attention. Lucky gal!
I know you have said the canings were never brutal, but my goodness, they must have hurt???!!! Six must have been murder. I think you said that you never cried? you must have made some noise. like the odd ‘Ouch’ or gasp/hiss/sucking in air?
Weighting it all up, ot is abundantly clear that you loved your time at this school and had lots of happy memories……despite your acquittance with the headmaster’s desk and he with your bottom.
Thank you, Lisa, for responding to my ‘caned on the hand or bottom’ thread, to which I shall respond soon
Bye
Paul
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May 08, 2016#48
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Paul,
Many thanks for your kind comments and your continued interest in my post. In response to your question regarding the severity of the punishment i recieved may I state once again that it was bearable and I don’t think I was particularly brave in enduring it. It obviously hurt, it was ment to, but, as I have said previously many times not brutal in any way. I suppose i did grit my teeth as the strokes were administered but, there was never any big drama regarding screaming or crying during the punishment. I just stayed in position accepted and took what I deserved without complaint. As for the length of the skirt i wore I don’t ever remember feeling any embarrassment bending over a desk and never felt my modesty was compromised in any way. It would be totally unacceptable to todays generation for a girl or boy to have to bend over a desk to be punished but, back then it was the normal practice in many schools and as such was accepted. I hope this answers your questions satisfactorily and once again thank you for your continued interest.
Lisa.
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Jun 10, 2016#49
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Thankfully at my school a canny was always administered in private even when there were several of us to be caned. We might be investigated and lectured together but when it came to the actual caning it was always done singly with the door shut. If there were several of us it was pretty awful waiting your turn outside the head’s door hearing the muffled sound of another girl being caned knowing your turn would soon come. But even worse when you got it as it hurt so much. I’m afraid I was not as brave as Lisa and always ended in floods of tears!
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Jun 11, 2016#50
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
There are a number of reasons why SCP might be administered in public or, not in private.
The first is convenience. At my primary school, most of the strappings were administered in class taking just a few seconds. I do not recall embarrassment or humiliation being a concern. At high school boys were not caned in the presence of girls. This was more to protect the girls than the caned boy. No teen boy would want to be caned in the presence of females. The protocols quickly become known to all, again saving time.
Secondly, the risk of excess or abuse, or accusations of such, are lessened when punishments are administered in public with plenty of witnesses present.
Thirdly, unreasonable fears minimised when there is no mystery about what SCP involves. Additionally, there are no misconceptions concerning the desirability of avoiding SCP. It is desirable that not only should justice be done but it should seem to be done. Secret convictions and punishments should be avoided.
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Jun 11, 2016#51
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Jun 11, 2016#52
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
EAL,
It is (or was) a well known fact that girls are delicate creatures who need protection, quite unlike boys. When I was at school, it never occurred to me that girls might actually have an interest in boys being caned, or that they might work to bring it about. I was quite naïve and innocent in those days.
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Jul 13, 2016#53
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I attended all boys schools. I witnessed boys being given the ruler or slipper by the form teacher in front of the class. The cane was given by the headmaster always in private. I was once slippered during prep in front of all of the boarders at my school, about 50 in total. It was very humiliating.
At public school I was once caned with another boy in front of each other by our housemaster for the same offence. Again it was embarrassing lowering trousers and pants in front of a another pupil but I then watched as he was caned.
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Jul 15, 2016#54
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I think there is a case for public punishment as they do in Singapore. The 3 strokes of the cane administered in assembly with all the attendant ritual that goes with it seems to have a salutary effect on those watching. It however should be used rarely.
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Jul 16, 2016#55
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Although getting that cane from the head was always done in private at our school, getting the slipper from the games mistress often involved bending down in front of the class and having the slipper applied to your bottom. It was usually done in a more informal and less serious fashion but it could still sting your bottom like crazy!
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Jul 16, 2016#56
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
It was exactly the same at our school, cane in private by the head, slipper for more informal spontaneous punishments in games or classroom in front of everyone.
I honestly believe that the threat of bending over in front of classmates was a very strong deterrent for bad behaviour, nobody wanted to go through that humiliation, plus having to walk back to your desk past everyone, rubbing your bum if it hurt, (which the slipper usually did). It must have been hell years ago in mixed schools, specially if it was a girl on the receiving end.
But getting the cane in private was more of a trophy thing to be bragged about, specially when you got it on the bum instead of the hand.
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Jul 20, 2016#57
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Lisa,
In response to your original question, canings at my grammar school were always in private. Normally clothing was not removed except when the senior mistress caned pupils. She only caned over one item of clothing so I had to drop my trousers when she caned me. What made it worse was that the female teacher I had cheeked was a witness. It was so embarassing!!!
I can not see why girls should need to have lifted or dropped their skirts for her because the girls usually wore tight skirts which provided limited protection anyway.
At my primary school I did get caned with others by the headmistress but that was only 2 strokes on the hand.
Pete
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Oct 17, 2016#58
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I have noticed that certain schools seem to make leeway for a grandfathering of their policies. A younger school hire would be more likely follow the rule book than what this teacher/coach/principal appears to be appropriate well within view and ear of his peers. The five swats had the potential of damaging areas of the body that should have been protected. Judging by how non-plussed the boys and girls seem to be something just a few have been on the receiving end. Thank you Corpun.
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This columnists first grade encounter with corporal punishment were similar to mine as his is age. When abused corporal punishment sticks as it did when I was on the receiving end in the principal’s office with the PA system on for the benefit of my classmates in second grade.
Salon September 4, 2001.
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The author, Ted Gulp, was mentioned in TWP. His birthday fell on September 14, 1950.
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This is an interesting and timely article.
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Oct 17, 2016#59
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Ted Gup. Not Ted Gulp.
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Oct 19, 2016#60
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I think judging by the comments and incidents related to on this thread it does seem that the general consensus of opinion is that corporal punishment should be administered in a private setting. I certainly don’t think that humiliating someone to the extent that it results inevitably in lasting resentment is any solution to maintaining discipline and good order in society.
However, in what must seem like a total contradiction to the statement above I recently read an article in a national newspaper regarding a young couple who were on the recieving end of an unprovoked attack by several teenaged youths and had to be hospitalised having been beaten unconscious by these thugs in a prolonged and vicious assault. Whether these young boys and, apparently girls as well were ever brought to justice remains somewhat a mystery. If they were the punishment they recieved was probably judging by today’s standards totally inadequate and failed, as it usually does, to serve as any form of deterant. In cases such as these it could be argued that a public humiliation in the form of a caning carried out in front of say a school assembly would teach them a strong and lasting lesson.
I don’t really know what to think having always been a strong supporter of corporal punishment only being administered in private. My thoughts are torn when I hear of incidents such as these but, in cases were extreme violence as been used maybe a taste of their own medicine is the answer. Unfortunately the debate seems to be purely academic as the chances of our society here in the uk ever reintroducing corporal punishment in our educational establishments seem ever more remote. I often wonder just how far standards of discipline have to decline in schools and society as a whole before common sense finally prevails.
Lisa.
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Oct 29, 2016#61
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
How private? Out of sight but not out of hearing. It is possible to keep the door shut but within school hours no rooms are sound proof enough for a debbie112 style paddling as shown here.
With USA election’s emails dominating the world one would not be unreasonable to ask the question are paddling spied upon and if so how secure would the film would be?
Wicked Wiki Whacking Whacky World. Alliteration for A_L benefit. He likes that.
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“In this editorial, TWP has decided to “grab the bull by the horns” and advocate a restricted use of cameras when a school paddling is given according to school policy guidelines. (We just know alarm bells are going off at the offices of thehittingstopshere) We are certainly “going against the grain” as to this position so please, everyone: Hear us out!
First, any and all camera recording would NEVER be for general public viewing with criminal penalties for releasing such. Rather, the camera recordings would be a part of the “discipline report” turned in to the school office on the same day as the paddling. The recordings and reports would be held and accessible by only the principal of the school unless a court order does otherwise. The recording itself would have date/time with both the administrator and witness easily identifiable . The student’s face would be blocked out. At the end of the school year or one calender year, whichever comes last, both recordings and reports would be destroyed with a school board member witness signing with the principal an affidavit to that effect.
Second, this idea of ours is intended for one purpose: To end, one and for all, the false accusations of abuse leveled against educators who administer paddlings according to school policy. As things now stand, some of the zealots knowingly file false charges against educators while totally ignoring the fact that there was a witness to the paddling. This is called “legal intimidation” and has been used by anti- c.p. district attorneys who are also politically ambitious. And do not forget the $$$ hungry parent who, when finding out their child was swatted 3 times in school that day, takes said child home and beats them black and blue before taking photos of the bruises for a lawsuit.
Please understand, our idea would also eliminate Mr/Ms. Paddlehard because the camera does NOT lie. Therefore, the result would be the elimination of both bogus claims of abusive paddlings AND actual abusive paddlings themselves.
Just think of the “bogus” scenario. The $$$ hungry parent(s) will have to change from a civil litigation attorney to a criminal defense attorney when the District Attorney sees the recording. Then those so-called parents will hear these famous words: You have the right to remain silent…”
Is this what might happen next in our litigious society? It would have to be privately circulated.
School policy now requires that all corporal punishment be administered in a room with security cameras to assure that all paddlings are applied per district rules.
Fact meets fiction.
Sometimes the truth is often stranger than the fantasy.
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A more likely scenario would be a woman coach or teacher (not a principal) paddling a girl after school hours. Her pace to make sure the lesson sinks in.
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Ouch. I’m sure A_L wouldn’t want any Flippin swats from her. You’re not at the Heart Attack Grill.
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Less likely scenario.
This cheerleader gets the bum’s rush with a swift paddling. debbie112 would not approve of his pace. The model may have been grateful to get the damage done in 45 seconds. She is not being punished. The only thing she can do wrong is not follow her acting instructions. She knows what pain and bruises to their cheeks to expect and its proportion to their check.
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Usual caveat for it is a dicey site but no nudity.
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Oct 29, 2016#62
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Nov 20, 2016#63
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
It was relatively recently that paddling was in front of the class. I’m relatively young.
Eugene Register-Guard. February 13, 1969.
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Today.
The girls are indifferent except the one on the left that seems to be enjoying herself.
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Yesteryear.
Too hard. Too public.
How hard is too hard? The snow was higher, and the teachers hit harder when we were kids. New York Post May 10, 1961. The muscle had not been applied to the girls. This Long Island school had concerns.
“I don’t think the way to beat the Russians into outer space,” said Milton Besser, father of two sons at the school.”
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In a fantasy classroom with decor correlative to its times. The girls were not spared. Grand slam.
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Nov 21, 2016#64
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
I was slippered and caned in class a few times and can vouch for the humiliation of just having to bend in front of 29 other boys was bad enough, let alone trying to pretend it didn’t hurt much. The only time I was caned with no-one watching was the most painful, but a bit more bearable because I didn’t have to ‘be brave’ to the same extent. I know some believe that humiliation was part of the process and some teachers used that part quite well.
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Nov 21, 2016#65
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Tom,
Thanks for your post.
I wonder if you might have been embarrassed rather than humiliated by being slippered and caned in front of classmates?
When other boys were punished in class was their status and standing diminished in your eyes and that of other boys – assuming they took their punishment well?
Was your respect for other boys differently affected depending on whether they were punished in public or private?
I suggest the attitude of your classmates was much more affected by the delinquents behavior and personality rather than by whether they were publically or privately punished.
Embarrassed = to feel awkward, self-conscious, or ashamed – internal feelings. In my day, boys who took their punishment well were in no way humiliated by the experience. Rather, their status was enhanced even if they felt embarrassed.
The risk of excess or abuse is reduced when things are done in public. Also, arguably, routine public punishments are less scary than secret.
If a secret poll was to be held I suspect that boys only classes would vote for in-class punishments.
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Nov 21, 2016#66
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Very good points KK. I think our reputation was enhanced a bit by taking a whacking well and the first time I had the cane in class, I was definitely ‘one of the boys’ after that – at least for a while. I think you are right that I had an internalised embarrassment as I was being punished in class, but sometimes, that embarrassment was added to by being told to stretch more or in other ways re-positioned before the whacking began. It made me feel as if I was being foolish in not knowing what to do and I think that’s why I used the word ‘humiliated’.
Watching other boys taking their smacks was always interesting in seeing how they took it and reacted both during and immediately after and I suppose I realised that others were doing the same to me.
Thanks for giving me my first response.
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Nov 22, 2016#67
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
In the old days, a few boys got punished far more often than the rest of us. This meant most boys got to witness far more punishments than they received. This usually applied even to the naughtiest.
I have argued elsewhere that CP works best, and has the least potential for harm, when it is seen an ordinary “every day” punishment appropriate for medium level offences. I have further suggested the optimum caning rate under such circumstances might be an average of three canings per boy per school year. If the school year is 40 weeks long, and there are 30 boys in a class, one might expect, on average, a couple of in-class canings every week. This is quite enough for the cane to be a creditable deterrent but not unavoidable by the reasonably behaved.
Public caning is highly <s>entertaining</s> educational for those at risk of the cane. The first exuberant beneficiaries are usually the best suited to demonstrate the appropriate decorum.
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Nov 22, 2016#68
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Hi Tom,
Welcome to the forum. Hope you find it interesting. I look forward to hearing your opinions regarding this subject and, your thoughts as to the reintroduction of the practice in our educational establishments.
Best wishes,
Lisa.
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Nov 22, 2016#69
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
Thanks for your welcome, Lisa. I am not now in favour of cp returning to schools and try to look back on it dispassionately in the sense that it happened and was a fact of history. It was not morally bad at the time, but like everything else was sometimes abused and there were miscarriages of justice. We quickly learned it was a part of school life and although I never liked receiving it, it was undoubtedly fascinating to watch and sometimes even exciting in the confusion and intensity of adolescence. I am sure it was generally effective.
I am certain that society has moved on (again I make that statement dispassionately) and today there is no way – in the UK anyway – that what happened at my school would be countenanced for one moment. However, the subject is still one of interest and even nostalgia, perhaps because it was from a more innocent time.
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Nov 23, 2016#70
At my school a caning was always and only administered in private. I have read many posts in this excellent forum relating to punishments being given in front of class and even entire assembles some even given with clothing removed.
Is there ever any justification in administering corporal punishment to a male or female in front of a class or assembly and more importantly is it ever acceptable to remove clothing other than a coat?
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Jun 21, 2018#71
i think it was done in front of the class for two good reasons to add a bit of humiliation too the punishment and if bare if more so and to make sure anyone else gets no ideas about being disruptive or misbehaving
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Jun 21, 2018#72
I suffered both, spanked in front of the class and spanked in private. I think the ones done in front of the class certainly were humiliating and I remember trying not to cry or yell out as I didn’t want to look soft in front of the class.
When I was spanked in private, it didn’t matter if I yelled out or cried as nobody but the teacher would hear me, not that this stopped the spanking, she continued despite the tears.
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