Then & Now

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After visiting with some friends/relatives back in my day, I was able to get some of them to talk about school punishments now versus ones back in our time here in the South. These discussions as well as some of the things I have read online including this site has been enlightening. One of the things I have noticed about here in the south is how much and how little some things have changed in regard to home and school corporal punishments. Both varieties are definitely down in frequency from my days of youth, but I found some things very interesting.

First was who can deliver swats vs who cannot. Back in my day both male and female administrators could deliver swats to either gender and no witness required. Then the witness thing began in the 1960’s and it seemed girls, especially those in 8th grade on up received them less and less as time wore on. Then somewhere around the late 90’s, girls began to get them more frequently, especially as they became a choice rather than a being told outright, they were getting them. Then closely behind this phenomenon, we began to see male administrators again being given the green light to swat the girls. Some of my friends’ granddaughters who live in the panhandle of Florida and nearby Alabama said they prefer men over the women giving them because the women are often harsher.

One 17-year-old 11th grader, who lives just across the Alabama border, said she has received 15 swats this year, 3 sets of 5, for tardies. She received 20 last year for the same reasons. She said “my butt can tolerate stinging for a few hours if that means not losing my Saturday.” She said when she assists the people in the office area by doing filing and such things, you can sometimes hear 3 or 4 paddling’s a day. You go into the principal’s office, they verify that this is your choice, bend over a chair and put your hands flat on the seat and wham, wham, wham, wham, wham. Then you sign a document that says that you agreed to the swats and you are not harmed or hold any grudges against the school or administrator.

The parents do not seem to care as long as it done properly. Maybe that saying “the more things change, the more things remain the same” has some merit.
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Mar 07, 2019#2
Cathy G, this corresponds to what we find on the social media’s Dr Patten’s curated tweets.

One tweeter gleed in the fact he was going to have to paddle girls know he didn’t like doing it

They may not even had spanked their daughters in their early years.

Some male students prefer to be paddled by a woman. Not among us. ????

Some male would like to overhear a female spanked. Not among us. ????
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Mar 07, 2019#3
CathyG, you would have thought she would have made more effort to be on time to save her poor backside from the swats.
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Mar 08, 2019#4
Funnily enough, Cathy, I started a thread on another message board the other day with exactly the same title. Mine was not about SCP but something I did myself. I must have about 15, early 1960s, in the UK. A few guys and I were kicking a ball around and a girl we knew, but wasn’t actually in our group, about 2 years younger, kept interfering in our game, pinching the ball, getting in the way, etc. I suddenly lost it, grabbed hold of her, threw her onto the grass, and gave her well over a dozen really hefty wallops on her jean-clad bottom. It must have hurt because I thought I’d sprained my wrist! The girl then got up, and slunk away, red-faced, and no doubt red-bottomed. The guys said nothing. Nothing more was spoken about it.

My question was, can you imagine what would have happened if I’d done that today, even if I was still a teenager? If anyone is interested, the site is quite a good one, Voy Forums 243310.
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Mar 09, 2019#5
bripuk wrote:
CathyG, you would have thought she would have made more effort to be on time to save her poor backside from the swats.
I thought the same thing, but I did understand some. Back in my time, I had taken swats vs 2 or 3 hour weekday detentions or having to work Saturday cleanup.
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stujos wrote:
Funnily enough, Cathy, I started a thread on another message board the other day with exactly the same title. Mine was not about SCP but something I did myself. I must have about 15, early 1960s, in the UK. A few guys and I were kicking a ball around and a girl we knew, but wasn’t actually in our group, about 2 years younger, kept interfering in our game, pinching the ball, getting in the way, etc. I suddenly lost it, grabbed hold of her, threw her onto the grass, and gave her well over a dozen really hefty wallops on her jean-clad bottom. It must have hurt because I thought I’d sprained my wrist! The girl then got up, and slunk away, red-faced, and no doubt red-bottomed. The guys said nothing. Nothing more was spoken about it.

My question was, can you imagine what would have happened if I’d done that today, even if I was still a teenager? If anyone is interested, the site is quite a good one, Voy Forums 243310.
That would be a hard one to get away with now. I remember when parents could spank one another kids. That is definitely a gone-by era.
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2015holyfamilypenguin wrote:
Cathy G, this corresponds to what we find on the social media’s Dr Patten’s curated tweets.

One tweeter gleed in the fact he was going to have to paddle girls know he didn’t like doing it

They may not even had spanked their daughters in their early years.

Some male students prefer to be paddled by a woman. Not among us. ????

Some male would like to overhear a female spanked. Not among us. ????
I recall a 11th grade boy, about 16 years old, telling me that he gets worked up hearing a girl get paddled. Guys are hilarious at times.
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Mar 10, 2019#8
CathyG wrote:

That would be a hard one to get away with now. I remember when parents could spank one another kids. That is definitely a gone-by era.
LOl yep i agree for sure…i remember getting spanked by a friends dad in the 70’s….you would not even consider ever spanking another child now a days that is not yours!
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CathyG wrote:

I recall a 11th grade boy, about 16 years old, telling me that he gets worked up hearing a girl get paddled. Guys are hilarious at times.
lol yes we are! But at 16 i would think it is normal to get “worked up” about hearing a girl get paddled or any spanking….as long as your not next???? You can’t help but imagining the spanking in depth.
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Mar 10, 2019#10
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lol yes we are! But at 16 i would think it is normal to get “worked up” about hearing a girl get paddled or any spanking….as long as your not next???? You can’t help but imagining the spanking in depth.
LOL, I can imagine. He told me that at his school there was a room attached to the library where extra books, i.e. duplicates, damaged etc, were kept. He had broken his arm and had to go to the library during P.E. class. The room had a desk as well and he used to sit in there and read. There was a vent that connected that room with the principals office and you could hear conversations and such. He said when someone was getting it they would be directed to bend over a stool and grab the lower rung. Then you would hear a bit of silence and the hear 3 to 6 swats.
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Mar 10, 2019#11
CathyG wrote:
kevinont wrote:

lol yes we are! But at 16 i would think it is normal to get “worked up” about hearing a girl get paddled or any spanking….as long as your not next???? You can’t help but imagining the spanking in depth.
LOL, I can imagine. He told me that at his school there was a room attached to the library where extra books, i.e. duplicates, damaged etc, were kept. He has broken his arm and had to go to the library during P.E. class. The room had a desk as well and he used to sit in there and read. There was a vent that connected that room with the principals office and you could hear conversations and such. He said when someone was getting it they would be directed to bend over a stool and grab the lower rung. Then you would hear a bit of silence and the hear 3 to 6 swats.
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I have to admit i never heard another punishment at the school’s office like that for sure, maybe our walls were sound proof at the office lol, but that seems like a perfect setting for sure for him!

I often heard a spanking at home, walls not as thick!
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Mar 10, 2019#12
I have heard ones while waiting to get it myself. Boys and girls were spanked separately in the principal’s office.
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Mar 10, 2019#13
kevinont wrote:
I often heard a spanking at home, walls not as thick!
Did your parents use spanking often at home? I was rarely spanked at home myself. My wife and her sisters were spanked/slippered at home but their school never used no CP.

I often wondered if the boys who took school slipperings and canings at school without any fuss were those who were spanked a lot at home. One of my school friends used to get the strap at home. He had a sister who was grown up when I knew him. It never occurred to me that she may have also been strapped when younger by their parents.
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Mar 10, 2019#14
CathyG wrote:
I have heard ones while waiting to get it myself. Boys and girls were spanked separately in the principal’s office.
well that makes sense to keep the boys and girls separate even for back then!….when i was 12/13 our office had no waiting room, so i guess that explains it. We had to wait out in the hall. The office was usually the principal and vice and the secretary all had rooms plus a common room where teachers made their copies etc and supplies that led to those 3 offices.
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six of the best wrote:
kevinont wrote:
I often heard a spanking at home, walls not as thick!
Did your parents use spanking often at home? I was rarely spanked at home myself. My wife and her sisters were spanked/slippered at home but their school never used no CP.

Your other point i mean i was only spanked a few times ever at school and even though i was spanked pretty often at home I’d say in my case anyways i was more embarrassed to let any one know that it bothered me or to make a fuss. I just took it. At home i would fuss more especially with the strap.
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Mar 11, 2019#16
six of the best wrote:
kevinont wrote:
I often heard a spanking at home, walls not as thick!
Did your parents use spanking often at home? I was rarely spanked at home myself. My wife and her sisters were spanked/slippered at home but their school never used no CP.

I often wondered if the boys who took school slipperings and canings at school without any fuss were those who were spanked a lot at home. One of my school friends used to get the strap at home. He had a sister who was grown up when I knew him. It never occurred to me that she may have also been strapped when younger by their parents.
Yes it was used often, but in waves. After a period of pretty steady spankings dad would lay off a bit and then decide that we had become more unruly and it was time to render the paddle more often. At home I think my butt became calloused between ages 8 and 11.
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Mar 13, 2019#17
Hi Cathy,
I’m going from memory here, (dangerous for a 72 year old) but I think you mentioned in a previous post that you were never spanked on your bare bottom at school but you were at home. Is that correct?
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Mar 13, 2019#18
Hi CathyG,

So like many others in the past you were spanked a home. Home spanking could be very different to at school. Schools had rules or at least guidelines about CP. Parents had none, many did what they’d had themselves years before. Some took advice from other parents, friends with youngsters of a similar age to theirs. I’m sure many parents only spanked over clothes but I’m certain equally as many perhaps more spanked bare bottoms. Whether it was mum or dad doing it to boys or girls varied of course.

There were some parents who never used spankings, some that only used it for more serious misbehaviour and others that used it frequently for all misbehaviour.

In the past the generation gap seemed to be much greater. The relationship between parents and their children was very different. Spankings at home were, for many, the accepted punishment for youngsters, from a very young age into mid teens.

Spanking wasn’t by any means exclusive to British parents. French parents used the martinet, a short multi thonged device attached to a wooden handle, for home discipline. German parents, I’m told, used the cane. Straps and belts seemed to be used too as were slippers and hairbrushes. The paddle seems to be favoured by both schools and parents in the USA as were ‘switches’ thin canes often freshly cut from the garden. Canada with many links with Scotland used the strap, similar to the Scottish tawse. Leather straps were also favoured worldwide by the Roman Catholic schools and perhaps many RC parents used the same.

Fortunately for all concerned, perhaps, parental CP is largely at thing of the past.
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In Denmark, where I come from, the wooden coat hanger seemed to be the preferred implement by many parents. In school, it was the cane until it was abolished nationwide in 1967, having been abolished already in 1953 in the capital Copenhagen.
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Mar 13, 2019#20
WWT wrote:
Hi Cathy,
I’m going from memory here, (dangerous for a 72 year old) but I think you mentioned in a previous post that you were never spanked on your bare bottom at school but you were at home. Is that correct?
Yes at home, but never at school. 72 is fine. In August, I will be 80.
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Mar 13, 2019#21
six of the best wrote:
Hi CathyG,

There were some parents who never used spankings, some that only used it for more serious misbehaviour and others that used it frequently for all misbehaviour.

Fortunately for all concerned, perhaps, parental CP is largely at thing of the past.
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Yes, I agree that a lot of parental CP has diminished but still used often here in the Southern U.S. There were times between the ages of 6 and 11, I got one or two a week. Sometimes it was the quick few swats and it was over, other times it was more of a ritual and you knew your bottom was going to be under assault for a few minutes. Spanking was even used at church i.e. Sunday School.
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Mar 13, 2019#22
Peter_The_Dane wrote:
In Denmark, where I come from, the wooden coat hanger seemed to be the preferred implement by many parents. In school, it was the cane until it was abolished nationwide in 1967, having been abolished already in 1953 in the capital Copenhagen.
It’s interesting how the enlightened societies have banned it while it still maintains a strong foothold here in the South part of America.
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Mar 14, 2019#23
leading to the alarming possibility large swathes of the american south are not in fact part of an enlightened society, possibly not fully integrated into the modern world
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Mar 14, 2019#24
dmp wrote:
leading to the alarming possibility large swathes of the american south are not in fact part of an enlightened society, possibly not fully integrated into the modern world
lol ill stay out of that….but wonder what the stats on Northern USA and southern USA teen crimes/behavior…and the difference between the two….google time!
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Mar 14, 2019#25
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leading to the alarming possibility large swathes of the american south are not in fact part of an enlightened society, possibly not fully integrated into the modern world
I am in agreement with that statement. It bugs the hell out of me that so many down here choose selective ignorance so often. Hell, we even have a small insurgence of people who think the world is flat and that Trump is America’s savior.
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Mar 15, 2019#26
well we have the flat earthers up here too… i butted into a conversation my boss was having with one of this buddies… whom i’ve known for years but don’t especially like. he was talking about conspiracy theories and i said, that i thought some might have an element of truth to them but it was hard too tell through the endless noise of stupid conspiracies spread on the web… like the flat earth… i didn’t realize the ijit was one himself… he started going off on the subject and i walked away shaking my head and trying not to laugh… later my boss told me “thanks a lot, now he’s blowing up my phone with dozens of links to that garbage”
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Mar 15, 2019#27
What, Cathy, are you telling me the Earth isn’t flat? Damn, my whole life’s thinking up the spout!! I certainly don’t hold with the Trump theory though.

Going only slightly off at a tangent, I used to attend a Debating Society at school, where the latest local or world news, or some school situation, was discussed at length. But by far the best debate ever was “in the opinion of this house, fire buckets should be painted green and not red”. There was a proposer and seconder of the motion, followed by an opposer and seconder, then opened to the floor. Never has such rubbish been discussed so brilliantly. Everyone took it seriously, which made for a most entertaining hour. Whatever was said that day can’t be any more pointless than what comes out of DT’s mouth!
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Mar 15, 2019#28
The only other worthwhile debate was whether schoolgirls should be caned with knickers up or down. I thought the comments were rather heavy-handed! Bear in mind, I went to a boy’s only school.

That’s complete rubbish of course, but it is Friday, I’m bored, and I wanted to get people’s attention!
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Mar 15, 2019#29
Hello stujos,

Being able to argue any case from either side is a sign of a proper education. Now about those knickers ……..
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Mar 15, 2019#30
Ok, A-L, what about those knickers? We need to get to the bottom of things! You are right about arguing both sides. I always try. That’s cos I wus brung up proper-like.
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Mar 15, 2019#31
Another_Lurker wrote:
Hello stujos,

Being able to argue any case from either side is a sign of a proper education. Now about those knickers ……..

I remember the first time I heard the work “knickers.” Back in the early 1960’s, I was working for AT&T as a phone operator and a lady from Sheffield England was trying to connect with a woman in Tallahassee, Florida. . As I was waiting for the party to answer the line, she moved her mouth from the phone and said to someone in her home “You better not be wearing those knickers with holes in them lassie.” As soon as I was no longer needed on the call, I wrote the word down so I could look it up in the dictionary.
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Mar 16, 2019#32
Hello CathyG,

Sadly many British males of a certain age are obsessed by knickers. Their early interests in the opposite sex were aroused in primary school by the sight of female schoolmates doing handstands in the playground at recess time and exposing said garments as their skirts fell downwards.

Then there were gym knickers, once worn by schoolgirls for sports, physical education etc. and resembling nothing more than, errm, knickers. A picture of gym knickers from the mid 1950s is found in the Forum archives here. As to why it is upside down, best not ask. ????

There was resentment amongst girls that boys had long shorts for sports and PE. They were thus. spared exposure of physical imperfections like chubby or skinny thighs. Except of course in primary school where lady teachers had a penchant for the classroom punishment of hauling a short trousers leg aloft to spank bared upper thigh very hard. ????

Any British male at a mixed school in the days of gym knickers will be able to tell you the colour of those worn by his female schoolmates. And if he wasn’t at a mixed school he’ll be able to tell you the colour of those worn by girls at any schools whose sports facilities he could observe from a distance. Bottle green and blue were probably the most common colours, but many other colours have been reported here.

Over the years gym knickers became ever briefer and tighter, as indeed did sports shorts for boys. However this latter development did nothing to assuage the resentment of girls forced to wear gym knickers at school (and sometimes in public walking between school and a sports facility a little way from the school). Indeed gym knickers have even been held to be responsible for many women giving up sport of any sort as soon as they left school.

Today less revealing and unisex school sports attire seems to be the rule and doubtless the grandmothers of today’s schoolgirls tell them how fortunate they are!
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Mar 17, 2019#33
That is very interesting Another_Lurker
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Mar 17, 2019#34
A.L.

I had never heard of knickers until i saw some British films at a young age. I always thought kickers and underwear were two different things!

Our girls eventually had unisex uniform in gym. Shorts and a t-shirt. But id do remember a one piece uniform the girls wore before that that got me thinking almost like your kickers! Here is a pic of the best i could find on line..they had elastic bands around legs , so no looking up!

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Mar 26, 2019#35
I remember garments similar to the above. How far we have come! LOL
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Apr 01, 2019#36
Another_Lurker wrote:
Hello CathyG,

Ah!!!!! How true. Brings back memories
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Apr 01, 2019#37
sirjohn2 ha ha I wonder how long a girl could stay like that without the blood rushing too her head or dare stay in that position ????
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Apr 01, 2019#38
I remember doing handstands on occasion.
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Apr 01, 2019#39
CathyG wrote:
I remember doing handstands on occasion.

Bet you presented a pretty picture and were the centre of attraction.
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Apr 03, 2019#40
I was pretty athletic during my school years. You did not have all the distractions kids today have. I think some are allergic to anything outdoors, LOL.
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Apr 27, 2019#41
Another difference between then and now, is that in my day, swats were rarely given in 11th and 12th grades. They were used more on the younger ones. Today, via Tweets and other Social media, you often hear that 16 to 18 years-olds stating “I just received my first spanking” and the like. That would have never happened in our day.

Also, I can confidently say nobody made it through elementary and Jr. high swat free. At least once a year there would be a classroom paddling, usually because someone did something bad and nobody fessed up for it, so we all got it.
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Apr 27, 2019#42
CathyG wrote:
Another difference between then and now, is that in my day, swats were rarely given in 11th and 12th grades. They were used more on the younger ones. Today, via Tweets and other Social media, you often hear that 16 to 18 years-olds stating “I just received my first spanking” and the like. That would have never happened in our day.

Also, I can confidently say nobody made it through elementary and Jr. high swat free. At least once a year there would be a classroom paddling, usually because someone did something bad and nobody fessed up for it, so we all got it.
i agree, i never heard of older kids getting SCP in my time going through the school system, compared to what we see on social media from southern USA today. I thought Cp was suppose to teach you right from wrong at a younger age lol!
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Apr 27, 2019#43
CathyG and kevinont:

Do you think that the older pupils were not disciplined because the earlier punishment was effective in improving their behaviour or were they more experienced at not getting caught?
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Apr 28, 2019#44
when i was in school in northwestern Pennsylvania in the 70s and 80s corporal punishment was only administered in the elementary school and usually in the very earliest grades. It was considered a last resort for the youngest students if nothing else worked but i was only aware of it being administered once to a boy when i was in either kindergarten or 1st grade. its was not administered at all in junior or senior high school… its not that students were better it just wasn’t considered appropriate for older students.
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Apr 28, 2019#45
AliceOttley wrote:
CathyG and kevinont:

Do you think that the older pupils were not disciplined because the earlier punishment was effective in improving their behaviour or were they more experienced at not getting caught?
Realistic they had learned and learned not to get caught ????probably. I just never heard of anybody getting scp in high school before i got there in 1979. Did it happen…not sure. It was banned in public schools all grades by the time i got there. But i knew older kids that where there before me and just never heard of any. Were older children still receiving CP at home from ages 14-17…yes. That i knew for sure, friends older siblings etc. who did. My last one at home was around 15.
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Apr 28, 2019#46
AliceOttley wrote:
CathyG and kevinont:

Do you think that the older pupils were not disciplined because the earlier punishment was effective in improving their behaviour or were they more experienced at not getting caught?
I think that may have played a role in that, but also we seemed to be more disciplined than kids today. Many of the swats given to 16 – 18 years-old’s today are for tardiness and the like. We did not spend as much time worrying about fashion and the latest trends that today’s youth seemed to be all caught up in.
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AliceOttley wrote:
CathyG and kevinont:

Do you think that the older pupils were not disciplined because the earlier punishment was effective in improving their behaviour or were they more experienced at not getting caught?
Realistic they had learned and learned not to get caught ????probably. I just never heard of anybody getting scp in high school before i got there in 1979. Did it happen…not sure. It was banned in public schools all grades by the time i got there. But i knew older kids that where there before me and just never heard of any. Were older children still receiving CP at home from ages 14-17…yes. That i knew for sure, friends older siblings etc. who did. My last one at home was around 15
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I believe my last one at home was when I was 18. I knew of a few that got it even later, all girls, and that was likely due to some of the positive grooming of being spanked that was so imbedded in Southern family lifestyles back then.
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Apr 29, 2019#48
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Naughtiness as a function of age

https://www.britannica.com/topic/delinquency

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In Western countries, (criminally) delinquent behaviour is most common in the 14- to 15-year-old age group. At age 14, most delinquent conduct involves minor theft. By age 16 or 17, more violent and dangerous acts, including assault and the use of a weapon, become prevalent. Most delinquents do not continue this behaviour into their adult life, for, as the circumstances of their lives change and they get a job, marry, or simply mature out of their turbulent adolescence, their conduct usually falls in line with societal standards.

Although the evidence is ambiguous, most delinquents adjust to a noncriminal life, yet the proportion of delinquents who become criminals is higher than that of non-delinquents. In the United States, boys make up 80 percent of the delinquent population, and this rate is similar throughout Europe and Japan.

Schools are often the forum in which delinquent behaviour originates is first observed outside the home. Most delinquents perform poorly in school and are unhappy in the school environment. Many delinquents are dropouts who leave school at an early age but have no job opportunities. Juvenile gangs often perform delinquent acts, not solely out of frustration with society but also out of a need to attain status within their group. A gang can provide the rewards a juvenile cannot get (at home), from his school or other institution.

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When I was in school, 60 years ago, the school leaving age was 15. The majority of pupils left school at the end of the school year in which they turned 15. Most went straight into employment as jobs were plentiful. Those who stayed on were in school willingly and destined for professional careers. Classes were small in size for older students, the rapport with teachers good, and misbehavior rare.

Fourteen and 15 year olds boys were by far the naughtiest. Teacher bating and caning were common sports.

Overtime, advancing the school leaving age and delaying autonomy resulted in more older boys being reluctantly in school, in larger classes, and being naughty. If the cane or paddle was used on younger boys who could not legally be deprived of their education it is easy to support its use on older boys who can not be legally deprived of their education. Kids must be allowed to make mistakes and do silly things without blighting the rest of their lives.
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Apr 30, 2019#50
kevinont wrote:
CathyG wrote:

I believe my last one at home was when I was 18. I knew of a few that got it even later, all girls, and that was likely due to some of the positive grooming of being spanked that was so imbedded in Southern family lifestyles back then.
Wow and i thought 15 was too old! and for swearing of all things!…But i guess its just a number in a way, 15 or 18 can be immature for that age>Interesting on the grooming you mentioned. Makes you wonder why men were not groomed the same way or was it to make the women as submissive as possible. Different times for sure! By the way what did you do at 18 too warrant a spanking?
I knew a girl in my region who still received it at 20. She fully believed that being spanked was the way to be cleared of ones sins. She said she felt so much better towards God after receiving one.
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Ive heard of that..even a church leader that would spank….but never knew any who got spanked at home or i guess through school past 18…..I knew of one 17 yr old girl in high school of a European background (i forget which one) who got grounded for rest of school year about 3 months and got spanked with a strap for missing a curfew and had been drinking, she was even banned from dating. She told a few people at school and i was dating one of her friends. Always stuck with me because i thought i was the oldest to get it at school and well she was a girl.
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May 12, 2019#52
kevinont wrote:

Ive heard of that..even a church leader that would spank….but never knew any who got spanked at home or i guess through school past 18…..I knew of one 17 yr old girl in high school of a European background (i forget which one) who got grounded for rest of school year about 3 months and got spanked with a strap for missing a curfew and had been drinking, she was even banned from dating. She told a few people at school and i was dating one of her friends. Always stuck with me because i thought i was the oldest to get it at school and well she was a girl.
Yes, you could get spanked at Sunday school as well. Some of those were worse than school ones.
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CathyG wrote:
Yes, you could get spanked at Sunday school as well. Some of those were worse than school ones.
Did that ever happen to you? and how was it worst then school?

I never got anything at church/Sunday school….but if i misbehaved there you were sure to get it back at home.
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May 24, 2019#54
Mother spanking older daughter were not all that uncommon if only some of these accounts be true in the last link. A college student, with a high school age younger siblings would be more likely to be spanked by their mother for the same offense especially if she were expected to be an example. I doubt many mothers would stand by and see their husbands spanking their mature daughters on the bare. That is fetishistic.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/arildsm … 3fdb#p1767

Here is a respected artists J Lawrence Lind depicting a scene where a daughter submits to a mother her own size to a hairbrush (less likely by her father) for spanking. It is from a dicey site and her buttocks are bared for the proceedings.

https://crankyspanker.files.wordpress.c … ollege.jpg

Mrs Ernest Keller is Ursula Trow. Again is a real person. All the letters from the late forties to the early fifties are unlikely to all be fictional. The Sam IMHO can be said of Dr Stacey Patten’s trove of twitters.

https://news.hrvh.org/veridian/?a=d&d=s … 90318.2.20

http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/hi … Page=false
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May 25, 2019#55
kevinont wrote:
CathyG wrote:
Yes, you could get spanked at Sunday school as well. Some of those were worse than school ones.
Did that ever happen to you? and how was it worst then school?

I never got anything at church/Sunday school….but if i misbehaved there you were sure to get it back at home.
Keep in mind, I was raised in a very rural environment and everyone either knew you or were related in someway. I did receive a couple of church ones for “disrespecting the house of the Lord.” You were taken out back to the pump and storage house and put over the pastors lap who spanked you with a small paddle while you lay over his lap. Talk about heat to the seat!!!
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A few years ago I attended a church service of a fundamentalist Christian sect in a Pacific Islands country. It was all rather sinister. But they had an effective method for controlling the small boys of the congregation. Older women sat in the row behind them and if any of the boys so much as moved they received a whack.
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May 27, 2019#57
Oliver_Sydney wrote:
A few years ago I attended a church service of a fundamentalist Christian sect in a Pacific Islands country. It was all rather sinister. But they had an effective method for controlling the small boys of the congregation. Older women sat in the row behind them and if any of the boys so much as moved they received a whack.
The more fundamental they are on their doctrines, the more fundamental they are on your backside.
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Jun 12, 2019#58
I am addressing this post to 2 specific forum members but all contributions are of course welcome.

American Way and Cathy G . I recently spent a most enjoyable month (despite the abundance of annoying ticks)staying with distant relatives of my wife in rural NH . I have ,of course, previously taken vacations in your country but this was the first time I have been closely involved with family life in a rural setting.

The family had two teenage daughters ,both at high school , and I had no problem socialising with them with some success and met many of their friends and classmates ,all female. They liked my sense of humour. I will avoid going into tedious detail of the conversations and statements which caused me to come to the conclusion but I am in no doubt that domestic CP with hand and hairbrush is/was recently far from uncommon for young US teens and pre teens. Older teens apparently suffer loss of privileges instead.

I understand that domestic CP for children of all ages is now very very rare here is the UK so was a little surprised not to find a similar situation in the US. Do you think I gained the wrong impression.? Its possible that the young people I met were not typical so I will try a paint a picture below.

I feel duty bound to state how impressed I was with the young teenage ladies I met as regards behaviour, intelligence and politeness. Quite frankly it was hard to imagine any of them needing discipline. Whatever they endured in the past seemed to have had the desired effect. Also they all seemed to have a love of nature, were more that aware of the need to preserve the environment and all seemed to enjoy an outdoor lifestyle. No signs of obesity; quite the reverse;they all seemed on the skinny side. Skiing (downhill and x country) snow shoe hikes, snowmobiles , A T V vehicles, hiking up mountains and canoe camping seemed to be common activities. Also I was surprised to see one of the daughters ,a sub 17 year old girl (wearing appropriate safety gear) chopping up a fallen tree with a chainsaw! I am sure this would be very very illegal in the UK. Little or no TV seemed to be watched, electronic games were considered a waste of time. Music seemed to be primarily provided by basic radio stations (WMPG and the Blimp ) . No sign of Ipods or record collections (although their parents apparently had “all the Beatles and all the Who Albums etc) .

UK teenagers generally, in my experience , have more than a healthy interest in alcohol, Accordingly, I was a little surprised to learn that these US teenagers strongly disapproved of it especially hard liquor. Parents who drank were considered a bit of a stigma, although most of their father’s, I understand, very much enjoyed a beer.. Because I drank every day ( a couple of stiff bourbons with soda before dinner every evening ) I was initially considered to be virtually an alcoholic but after realising these had no adverse affect on me whatsoever and no doubt taking into account the fact that I was British, my habit was accepted without question and with good humour.
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Jun 12, 2019#59
It depends where in the U.S. you are. Some areas are as much anti-CP as the UK and Scandinavia. Then other parts, especially in the deep South, still use it somewhat frequently, though not as much as in my day. There was a stretch of time there in the 1940’s and 50’s where hardly a day went by that one of my siblings, cousins or myself did get whacked. Sometimes it was a few swats and sometimes it was a tanning, blistering or whatever colorful verb they wanted to use.

As for me , I did not see any correlation between CP and the reduction of alcohol consumption. Some of the biggest drinkers I knew back in the day received some pretty good smackdowns when they were younger.

I believe one good thing about todays more informed and connected world, is it has made it harder to use spankings as something inappropriate.
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Jun 12, 2019#60
Cathy G,

Thanks for your response. I was not suggesting any correlation between CP and anti drinking views in any way.Apologies for any misunderstanding. I was beaten throughout my school life and over the past 50 odd years have always thoroughly enjoyed a strong cocktail or 2. What I was wondering about was the apparent completely different attitude towards alcohol I perceived between todays UK and US teenagers. Of course teenagers attitudes towards often change when they go to college and live on campus. I never drank before going to uni but that was 56 years ago.

I always thought of the bible belt /southern states as being a place where errant children might still get a good switchimg but was surprised that a New England state did not more closely follow UK and European practices.
I don’t think there is that much difference in attitudes towards alcohol consumption between our countries. I believe I could go to the UK and come across a family who instilled a set of standards that the kids willfully follow. You cam across an example of parents who taught their kids some good values, like working hard and being responsible. Believe it or not, back in the 1970’s, I had a very good friend who had come from Ireland in the late 1960’s and she was not a partier or a drinker, much unlike the image we Americans often think about when it comes to the Irish.
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Jun 13, 2019#62
In Dr Stacey Patten’s cache of shocking twitters few spoke of getting punished upon returning home. The schools let the family know when they paddle their child. I think if school related offenses like tardies are involved parents are much less likely to punish for other infractions that involve a lack of respect. 25 years ago a frequent poster, TWP’s Renee wrote about her experience a quarter of a century before. This certainly relates to the strapping of the 25-year-old Jenilee Harrison in the the 1984 film referenced here before, Tank.

When it came to home c.p., my momma was the one who used the 18″ strap on my backside (Nothing between it and my bottom, too!!!!!). My daddy was a disciplinarian with my older brothers but yielded to my momma on c.p. Well, my butt could of cared less because momma felt her strap could do a BETTER job than those paddleball paddles my elementary school used when I was a kid.

One exception recounted in a CHRONICLE when, as an acolyte during a church service, I broke out in a giggle when the other acolyte (and best friend) whispered an innocent joke. My daddy saw/heard it all while in the choir and when we got home -His 2″ hymnal book connected with my rear end.

After that, I stifled my giggles during church -For sure!

The wrath of southern folks.

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http://redsouthproductioncompany.blogsp … -tank.html
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Jun 13, 2019#63
A foot note on Tank (1984) and Renee of TWP. N.B. It was her mother that bare-bottom strapped with just cause with the father letting her shield her buttocks. 1984 is 35 years ago before Shelly Gaspershon of Dunn, North Carolina fame and the decline of school paddling. Not that long ago Dunn was done with the paddle.
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Jul 15, 2019#64
Here is a revisit of common letters to the editor in the post war years. Woman certainly became more assertive,
VJ Day. The state of Rhode Island now calls it the more politically correct Victory Day. Second link. I wouldn’t want to be of Japanese ancestry in that state prior to is renaming. I wouldn’t want to be of any ancestry that xenophobic fool that lives on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington disapproves.

Here is a vintage letter to the editor that would seem to imply that bare bottom spankings were still applied to daughters in their late teens or that it was a common fantasy.

Life Magazine August 20, 1945.

The wife being spanked is more likely to be authentic than the woes of poor Doris Sherwood’s bare bottom.

https://ia800701.us.archive.org/BookRea … 4&rotate=0

https://www.officeholidays.com/holidays … ictory-day
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Jul 16, 2019#65
Hello American Way,

Nothing to do with SCP but I must protest at the second link in your contribution #64 above. The fault is Rhode Island’s not yours. The picture on the page entitled ‘Victory Day in Rhode Island in 2019’ is absolutely nothing to do with Rhode Island or 2019. It was taken outside the Rainbow Corner Red Cross Club in Paris, France where American sevicemen and women had gathered on 15th August 1945 to celebrate the unconditional surrender of the Japanese.
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Jul 20, 2019#66
The good old days were not always the good days as evidenced by this fascinating clip. They don’t look back at their spankings as the most enjoyable part of their job with hind sight. At 10:28 one recalls a good hiding in bottom link. Good for whom? Certainly not her!

Seventy years ago.

https://mainstreamspanking.files.wordpr … retary.jpg

This is not entirely new to our venerably veteran readers. What makes it remarkable is that a lawyer would spank a teenager At his age and only once according to him at her request.

Today he would be wearing a jumpsuit, I.e, an orange one. In the late eighties it was a slap on the bottom meant a slap on the hand.

Her testimony was far less credible than hers.

“He asked me, if I want to be a secretary and be a good one, he was willing to teach me,” she recalled. The lessons began that day, she said. At his request, “I laid across his knee and he spanked me across the bottom,” Schisler said.

The spankings took place “once a week, sometimes more, sometimes it might not be for a couple of weeks,” she said; it depended on “the amount of mistakes I would make in my dictation and other work.” She said he made her his exclusive secretary for private, closed-door dictation sessions, even though she made many mistakes and was only a high-school work-study student, with two years of dictation training.

http://www.nospank.net/n-a70.htm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ … 6688820686

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ … 815ed2d664

For our international readers.

http://www.eleditor.net/wp-content/uplo … or.jpg.jpg

http://www.eleditor.net/comportamiento- … -nalgadas/
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Jul 20, 2019#67
She was considered a more credible witness. His credentials did not blind the judge. Their lives were probably never the same but he dodged a bullet. He wouldn’t have been treated with such leniency in his own lifetime.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/647 … ldsborough
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Jul 28, 2019#68
Wow, this thread has gotten long! LOL
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Jul 31, 2019#69
With all the brouhaha about dress codes today think how little fuss there was regarding skirt lengths and males paddling girls in 1972 even in a town like Folsom, Pennsylvania.

Her skirt length didn’t seem to bother her father. I wonder how hard he hit her on her birthday.

With 2,000 students he must have had a lot of practice and at least one was paddled for some reason on their birthday and not in a celebratory manner. He was in charge of discipline at the age of 34 in 1966. This 1972 mock paddling has been priorly proffered by yours truly.

http://richardwindsor.com/wp-content/up … ley-72.jpg

Males held all the positions of authority and gender mattered little when it came to administering swats. The numbers were astronomical in comparison to today.

She could have an unpleasant awakening back then.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/600 … 6a4f_o.jpg

It was a whole different world.

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Aug 03, 2019#70
Corporal punishment may well have been administered in the traditional manner in isolated areas as is paddling in schools today. This is an incredible today but not so much as when I was eleven years old in August of 1962. A bare bottom over the knee with the palm of the hand would be rare but not as rare in other regions. Since it was nationally syndicated it was not surprising that readers of the Boston Globe would see it differently than smaller city newspapers.

What was the mother of Can’t Sit Down thinking? You must have done something wrong so chances are you would not only not get sympathy but punished more.Where would you think they would share their grievances? Perhaps a trusted adult or an agony aunt. They had no Facebook or Twitter but they had pen pals and newspapers in that era. Local papers would be where they would most likely air their grievances anonymously. The black Chicago journalists, Edan Wright and a couple that called themselves Adam and Eve Lowell are examples.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a350933f64c … 3_1280.jpg

Understandably the Can’t Sit Down letter elicited a far range of responses. I would like to think that the sisters would have realized soon after their action that they had crossed a line. The baby sister that was bare bottom spanked over the knee by their mother was behind closed doors and she should not have made a spectacle. Their younger sister was not a baby anymore.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/c1445818bf8 … 1_1280.jpg

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Miss Wright was a real person. I don’t know anything about the Lowells.

https://newspaperarchive.com/delaware-c … 1962-p-10/

DEAR MISS WRIGHT: My best friend got mad because I was spending so much time with my new steady. So I started doing things with her. Then my steady slopped phoning and coming over because he felt I was with my friend too much. What do I do now? MIXED-UP YOU SHOULDN’T shut out a friend when you go steady. Try to make the boy see this and spend a reasonable amount of time with both of them.

Have a question? Write to EDAN WRIGHT in care of the Daily Time

DEAR ADAM AND EVE: I never thought I would ever discuss my troubles with anyone except my husband. But I find I have married an alcoholic. He kept his secret very well until we were married, one year ago………

Send your marital questions and problems to Adam or Eve Lowell.

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Aug 12, 2019#71
Places like New Hope, Alabama have never had a year since 2009 that some students have been paddled. The grandmother didn’t spank her any differently than her great grandmother. An old fashion spanking never changes in places like Madison County, Alabama. She was so naughty they had a paddle with her name on it. Someone with a fetish was asking a kind of question and although only 14 she was becoming uncomfortable with the line of questioning.

https://ask.fm/ShyannPayne

https://www.mylife.com/shanna-payne/e102618735637092

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Aug 19, 2019#72
Anything in the hands of a lion tamer would prove to be a deterrent to a naughty 16-year-old daughter.

But please not my golf clubs. ????

https://66.media.tumblr.com/62a55c6931a … 1_1280.jpg

Here is a little background on this 1928 spanking that was heard around the world. Many a teenage girl may have been spanked on account of the massive coverage.

Over 5,000 came to court to witness the trial. I wonder if Probate Judge Henry Mead saw an improvement in the behavior of those 150 naughty Kansas City girls? Can you imagine if a story like this appeared in today’s newspaper?

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data … 1/0175.pdf

News.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data … 1/0509.pdf

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data … 1/0539.pdf

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data … 1/0549.pdf

Fourth column and third story under news brief.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data … 1/0596.pdf

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Aug 19, 2019#73
Here is a little background on this coat hanger without fumbling around the PDF.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 53%2C6059/

It did end on a happy note.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 29%2C3495/

Judge Meade was a character.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 54%2C1559/

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Aug 20, 2019#74
There was once such an aversion for the usage of any direct reference to the bottom. Eating off the mantle was one of many ways that would say where a person hurt without mentioning it. Backs and legs were bruised but never the unspeakable portion of one’s anatomy. Christine spanked her daughter’s bare bottom for why else would she have disrobed her?

Mrs. Woodside says she Is willing to endure a whipping from her child If that would bring the family dispute to an end.

It is hard to picture 5,000 plus spectators not knowing that Lorene was spanked on her bare bottom or that she stood taller than her mother. It is hard to imagine Lorene giving her Mom taste of her own medicine. Quite the opposite occurred for she asked her mother to spank her albeit lightly and perhaps on the bare bottom?

http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/hi … Page=false
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Dec 28, 2019#75
The target and the instrument in 1900 was the birch and the tawse in the UK. In the USA in the days of yore it was the rod and the ferule. 2020 it is the paddle and the bottom. Times change. Boys are naughtier than girls or maybe girls just more sneaky. Never underestimate their wiles.

The Birching Bill.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4 … 41132/119/
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Dec 28, 2019#76
Hello American Way,

Glad to see that you are still exploiting that Welsh newspaper archive! ????

I’m not suire what to make of the opening lines of the ‘birching’ article you link above. Despite what it initially seems to assert birching as a judicial punishment for juvenile males certainly was in use in Scotland at the time. However from past research for an earlier post, which I am too lazy disinclined to try to trace now I recall that at least one Scottish locality used the tawse instead of the birch. The indication seemed to be that the tawse was more feared by recipients. Personally I am surprised that they bothered to indulge in such niceties of comparison. Having any sort of punitive implement lashed across one’s bare bottom by a burly policeman a number of times must have been pretty grim, full stop.

If true the statement made later in the article is quite interesting. That in England and Scotland, where substantial numbers of juveniles were being judicially birched, juvenile crime was increasing, whereas in Ireland where few juveniles were birched it was decreasing. Alas no supporting statistics are provided, which perhaps isn’t surprising as the whole article is merely a ‘letter to the editor’.

An additional item of interest in the same newspaper edition, though minus any CP connection, is that of the young woman burglar, which may be found via clicking on it in the index on the right. The lady apparently had a fondness for male clothing. On release from imprisonment in Lancaster Castle for a spate of thefts she stole a gentleman’s cycling costume (and presumably a bicycle, though this is not stated) and traveled to Wolvehampton where she was soon up before the court for further thefts.
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Jan 02, 2020#77
Spanking has gone out of style and have even become illegal but that was not always the case. These two girls chalk up more spankings than today’s, that would benefit better for they’re no better behaved.

So proud of her budding breast but not too old to benefit from a bottoms up spanking.

These two girls seem to never stay out of trouble in spite of their spankings.

Sons and daughters were spanked with instruments of correction readily available to be used on them well beyond their childhood.

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Jan 14, 2020#78
Palm is not a common surname but can be found in Toledo, Ohio.

Holy Toledo.

1956. Never with your palm. 5,000 rump roasts from the age of 21 to 68.

He aims to displease.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/dbff12da8de … r1_540.jpg

Five foot six so speak softly and carry a thirty inch stick.

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Feb 12, 2020#79
Occasionally, even today, judicial corporal punishment has been praised as an alternative to incarceration for younger miscreants. Less than a hundred years ago UK judicial corporal punishment came as a surprise to the USA.

1925

https://www.coloradohistoricnewspapers. … ——-0–
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May 13, 2020#80
I have done my share of research on codes of conduct in student handbooks. Tardies are rules that lead to more spankings than any other offense. For the students it is the one that you would be punished again before the end of the day other than a scolding from their folks. The thought of having a corporal or non-corporal punishment for the same offense wouldn’t cross a parent’s mind hence never encoded in student handbooks.

This New Zealand writer truly was prophetic in 1894.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newsp … ippet=true
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Aug 24, 2020#81
Gun rights are our Second Amendment but the First Amendmenf is the right to assemble. They often clash as is the case here. The teacher never lost his composure and the children were obviously his first priority. He was a cool cucumber.

1908.

https://virginiachronicle.com/?a=d&d=BD … ing——-
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Sep 05, 2020#82
Was corporal punishment us on the college level? The was an anecdotal account from Bob Jones University. A feeder school using their preparatory books were from this school that shared similar restrictions in codes of conduct but not without such disciplinary actions on the college level.

1998.

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Oct 11, 2020#83
Ohio was typical of states like Florida that were setting records for number of students paddled. Florida was on the top of the list and now is down to a few counties. Ohio, while the use was never as prevalent, faded and then was banned after it almost completely disappeared. Paddling was certainly less than three girls to eleven boys then. They were not being paddled for tardiness but for more serious offenses and more likely to be severely paddled. I am sure fathers left the spanking to their wives but with woman not having advanced degrees and not put in positions of authority, with the exception of coaches that didn’t work out of the principal’s office, the onerous duty fell upon them. Those paddled fifty years ago are not as opposed as one may imagine now for they saw some merit to the practice back then and are not too pleased with what they see now.

https://growinguponprytania.wordpress.c … in-school/

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Oct 15, 2020#84
This mostly Black student body recently closed its New Orleans doors. Urban areas are less often to allow corporal punishment.

Walter Cohen High School was not upheld when protests against the use of the paddle in basketball training. On November 2003 this school came into the publicity because the coach of the girls basketball team paddle the players.

The problem wasn’t even that the coach’s basketball girls got punished for doing something wrong. Corporal punishment was not allowed at this school, but the coach used it often. The girls said that from the start of the school year, the coach gave them a paddling if they skipped school, for example.

Things went wrong when the coach introduced and applied a new rule. The new rule was that any team member would get the paddle if one of them misbehaved. Because one girl had skipped school that day, she started paddling all 16 girls on the team one by one. Every girl had to bend and received three hard blows from the coach with the paddle.

When it was Mydia Casimier, one of the team captains, she refused to accept the blows. “It wasn’t fair,” she said. “I always do my homework. I have good grades and I never skip school. ” She was subsequently kicked out of the team by the coach.

This subsequently escalated the matter and led to the suspension of the relevant coach.
Mydia Casimier’s parents also fully supported her. When asked, they told the local newspaper that they were not at all against their (then seventeen-year-old) daughter getting swats but not because another student had misbehaved. “Normally, if there is punishment or a spanking, I’m the one who does it,” said Kevin Casimier, Mydia’s father.
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Oct 15, 2020#85
Hello American Way,

In view of your superb researches here I hate to complain, but it really is only fair to give your source an acknowledgment, or even a link. If his site went off the air we’d all be the poorer.
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Oct 15, 2020#86
This site has proven to be helpful in some of my recent posting. College girls are too old to be paddled but I am sure she would think twice before doing this some schools in the south. She would get a red bottom and a red card.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com … ayOMQ#main
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Oct 15, 2020#87
Hello American Way,

Hmm, on magnification and frame by frame examination it doesn’t look to be a rehearsed set up job.

You can attempt to give the young lady in red a red card and a red bottom if you wish, but be warned, she might throw you through the wall!
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Nov 14, 2020#88
Who would ever have forecasted that 100 years later the history of corporal punishment would have unfolded in the USA? Here’s a story emanating from a place you would never guess.

1919 Maui.

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 49%2C5735/
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Nov 19, 2020#89
Sheila’s tale of woe has a greater plausibility in 1978 than 2020. Dr David Wallace is still being compensated for his advice after all these years to this very day as recently noted in the estimable Forum. This sage looks a lot younger now. It was a lady teacher and witnesses would not be required nor would ten swats be unreasonable before things were watered down by parental pressure. A 16-year-old girl would not be treated with as much tenderness then than now. They don’t exactly dread them perhaps as much as they should attesting from their twitters. Little wonder some visit the principal’s office today more frequently now than then. The pendulum never stops in the middle. It could be a case of too hard or too soft given the times..

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19780830. … ts——-1
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Dec 04, 2020#90
Models of propriety UK six of the best 1953. Male and females three or five swats 2021. Who would have ever predicted this trajectory over the years?

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn … 14%2C7698/
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Unread postDec 05, 2020#91
Hello American Way,

Truly you are excelling even your high standards recently. Keep up the good work! What an excellent find in Mr Hill’s article. Just how it was when I was at school in those far off days of the early 1950s! However I think Mr Hill or his son may be a little confused about the birch cane. Birch might perform in that role, but not as wickedly efficiently as rattan!

I do wonder though if Mr Hill’s son was actually caned or if Mr Hill wrote the account as a journalist based on what he thought Americans knew about the British school system.