Mar 26, 2019#1

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVSerm … dren2.html

This link is a sub-link from one appearing on the topic page “Would Jesus spank a child?”.  I know many who are from outside the U.S. find it strange that parents here, even to this day, spank their children on the bare behind.  The page above is from a church in La Vista, Nebraska, which is known to be a conservative enclave.  It actually states that it is best if you spank an older child on the bare behind.   So one can imagine if that is still preached today, it was even more so back in the “good old days.”

5.         Start now
a.         A well trained child will not need much discipline later in life. The pattern will already have been set.
b.         Prov. 19:18 – Chasten (literally blows) while there is hope of turning your child from destruction. Stopping means you have given up hope.
c.         But it is never too late to start, but you will have to make up for lost time.
(1)       It is like compound interest. A little training at the beginning will reap large rewards later.
(2)       Start later and you will have to put more effort in to gain the same amount.
(3)       John Rosemond, “The longer these parents wait to take charge of a problem, the farther upstream they will have to swim and, therefore, the less likely it is they will ever fully realize their goals.”
d.         Children never outgrow their bad behavior. Prov. 22:15
C.        How to punish
1.         Prov. 29:15 – Two aspects: physical punishment and verbal reproof.
a.         First, explain to the child what they did wrong and why they are being punished.
b.         Then apply the rod.
2.         Prov. 23:13-14 – The use of a switch will not cause permanent injury
3.         Prov. 20:30 – It may leave bruises or welts, but they will heal (physically and spiritually)
4.         The punishment should be enough that the child does not want a repeat

a.         For a young child, a single swat on the back of the hand may be enough. The startlement alone is often sufficient punishment.
b.

Older children will need it on their bare bottom. Usually 6 to 8 slow, measured lickings.

c.         If the child repeats the infraction, repeat the punishment.

(1)       Sometimes it will be a test of wills

(2)       Just remember that if the child wins, he will think he can outlast others, possibly even God. Don’t encourage stubbornness in a child.

5.         The punishment is between you and the child.
a.         Take him off to the side where friends or siblings can’t gloat over his punishment.
b.         Never let another child punish for you.
6.         The punishment must be timely
a.         A two-year-old will not associate a punishment “when Daddy gets home” with a misdeed that morning.
b.         Don’t forego punishment because it is not a convenient time, such as at a store or restaurant. You will teach them to wait until there is an audience to defy you.
V.        Parents are commanded to raise their children properly – Eph. 6:4

On this same website, they post a letter from a person who said they felt spanking is abuse and cited their example they suffered.  The response was “Just because someone abused his pet, it doesn’t become proof that pet ownership is wrong. Just because a government somewhere abuses prisoners in its jails, it doesn’t prove that prisons are wrong.”

Sounds so typical of what I heard in my youth.  Notice they even said “slow, measured” swats, except I wished mine had been 6 or 8.

On another page the question asked is how many swats.  It states that just a few are needed for a small child, but an older one may need more, but never go over 40.

Welcome to 2019.

Mar 27, 2019#2

I priorly posted the link below.  In the Dr Stacy Patten curated cache there is one girl (maddi in 2013) that mentioned there was no detention just swats and that you’re prayed over after your paddling.  Amazing among the scores of tweets there would appear all from public high schools.  There are fewer faith based high schools.  There are more in the lower grades.

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/search … y=Spanking

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KKxyz

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Mar 30, 2019#3

Does the “church” offer any advice concerning Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Exodus 21:15-17, should the need arise?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/

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Mar 30, 2019#4

Hello KK,

Biblical times were not beset by political correctness or interfering do-gooders!  

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CathyG

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Mar 31, 2019#5

I hated hearing Bible verses when getting it.  Like that was supposed to make it complete.
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dmp

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Apr 01, 2019#6

whenever christians want to justify something cruel or ugly or just plain vile they look to the old testament to find justification… and they can usually find it… then they ignore the rest like eating shellfish and looping off body parts for various offenses unless they personally don’t like shellfish or want to give someone a vigorous dismembering
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Apr 01, 2019#7

dane,

You have chosen to post in italics.  Is this because you are quoting someone else, or are these your views?  This is not the Forum for theological debate but I will just comment that True Christians follow the teaching in the New Testament and in particular the “New Commandment” related in John 13:34–35.  Sadly, sometimes even the most committed disciples succumb to human weaknesses.

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Apr 01, 2019#8

The bible is collection of letters and accounts written thousands of years ago and translated a number of times since. Although the content carries much truth some things are mistranslated. We must also remember that attitudes to punishment were very different back then.

Less than a hundred years ago people whipped and caned their children in many countries of the world so imagine how it was over two thousand years ago.

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dmp

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Apr 01, 2019#9

i have no idea why i was posting in italics… i’m guessing magic
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Apr 01, 2019#10

CathyG wrote:I hated hearing Bible verses when getting it.  Like that was supposed to make it complete.

I remember morning assemblies at school, a hymn, prayers and announcements. For most there it just another day but at the end there were usually a few names sometimes more, read out. These boys were to report to the headmaster’s office immediately afterwards. This usually meant, unless they had a good excuse, a caning. Most knew beforehand they were in trouble but hoped be it might be forgotten. It never was! I joined the little queue outside the head’s office a few times. As you got closer to the door you could hear those in front of you being caned. Then it was your turn, OUCH!

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Apr 01, 2019#11

six of the best:

What was the opinion in the queue – be at the front and get it over with or be at the back and hope the headmaster would be tired and not cane as hard?

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Apr 01, 2019#12

We arrived there by years down, fifth form down to first years, so no real option to move along the line in either direction.. Also the headmaster gave more strokes to older lads or to repeat offenders so it was wise for younger lads to wait as first years as they only had two strokes unless they’d been there before.
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Apr 01, 2019#13

All wishful thinking anyway!

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