Age when punished : 11
Apprx year : 1968
Crime : Forgetting p.e kitAdministered by : Mr Seddon (p.e master)
Location : Changing rooms
Type : Plimsoll
Number of strokes : 3
Applied to : Bottom
Position : Bending over touching toes
Dress : Over trousers
Privacy : Front of class
School : Parr Central Secondary St Helens
Was punished for same offence again later in term
Other info : 4 of us punished for same offence
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stephenhutchings
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
GENDER : Male
AGE : 11
YEAR : 1968
CRIME : Finishing in bottom three in test
Administered by : Mr Walmsley (German Master)
Location : Classroom
Type : Plimsoll
Number : 3
Applied to : Bottom
Position : Touching toes
Dress : Trousers
Privacy : Front of class
School : Parr Central St Helens
Never punished for same offence
Other Info : Was warned that bottom 3 would be slippered. I actually finished fourth bottom but
because a girl had finished third bottom i replaced her for the slipper unfair or what?
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Yetanotheranotherlurker
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Did anyone ever get a reply from Lucy Buckingham above? If so, what were the details.
I’m loathe myself to e-mail in case she is not a poster to this board but has been “set up” by someone posting an address. It’s not unknown.
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I just wanted to make a note concerning Nathan Donnelly’s punishment described at 6:56am, June 7 2010, where he states he was caned on the bottom in front of a class at Boronia Park school in 1984.
I am not suggesting that his account is untrue – because heaven knows rules on corporal punishment were not always followed and if parents didn’t complain a teacher could generally get away with such things – but the type of punishment described was expressly not officially permitted in state schools in New South Wales at that time. The cane was only allowed to be applied to the hand.
As I say, these rules were not always followed. I mention it only because the original poster is trying to get an accurate idea of what happened in schools, and it may be important for him to know this punishment was not within the rules that applied.
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hi stephenhutchings
CRIME : Finishing in bottom three in test
Other Info : Was warned that bottom 3 would be slippered. I actually finished fourth bottom but because a girl had finished third bottom i replaced her for the slipper unfair or what?
Punishing anyone for coming last in a test in unfair in itself. If the intention was to encourage effort, why was the girl not so punished? Presumably, her education wasn’t seen as important. What that teacher did was clearly abuse.
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
And I agree that punishing someone who comes last is unfair. That’s because, although you might come last as a result of too little effort, you might also come last because everyone else worked spectacularly hard.
The point which particularly strikes me is that this approach guarantees that someone will be punished. If I didn’t know better, I’d say that this teacher enjoyed hitting children.
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hi Alan Turing
The point which particularly strikes me is that this approach guarantees that someone will be punished. If I didn’t know better, I’d say that this teacher enjoyed hitting children.
Apparently he only enjoyed hitting boys, unless he just thought he’d be less likely to get away with abusing girls.
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I have to agree with my esteemed fellow contributors Jenny and Alan Turing. Punishing children for lack of academic success where the decider is simply class position in a test regardless of who the unfortunates are is clearly wrong. That an additional qualification for an already flawed punishment should be being male is ludicrous. However, having sadly been there, done that, I can envisage that sanctions may be appropriate if someone who is able to perform well academically doesn’t.
One wonders what this teacher would have done if, extremely unlikely though it is, all the girls in the class had underperformed the boys in the test. That would presumably have resulted in three boys who had actually done pretty well being slippered!
Hi Yetanotheranotherlurker. Long time no see! It’s good to have you back. It’s getting quite like old times, A_Lurkologist is back today as well over in the Corporal Punishment of Schoolgirls by Margaret Stone thread. In response to your query all I can say is that I certainly didn’t, probably because I didn’t email her! An intriguing case though, and if you do email and any reply is not confidential I trust you’ll enlighten us.
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stephenhutchings
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
school said that he used to slipper at least one boy in her class a lesson.She said once he slippered
every boy in her class because someone had thrown something and no one would own up, 3 strokes each
across their bottoms.The girls got 50 lines. He left not long after the test slippering to be replaced
by another slipper happy schoolmaster
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Guest
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I too saw examples of slipper happy masters. This event is one I’ve mentioned before , but not in the context of why the slipperings were happening. We had particular PE master ( always a danger area in my experience) who also taught maths and RE to the juniors and ‘shells’ (first year middle school.
There was , nominally a school rule prohibiting corporal punishment for academic failure. to be fair I think there are good reasons for this .However this gentleman , and a few others like him, seemed blithely unaware of this , especially when dealing with the lower forms. This particular gentleman used to set a deliberately high pass mark in tests so he could keep his practice in. Our first years were not ‘streamed ‘ nor the junior school, consequently he had a range of ability which meant many would fail his set mark. Each would get whacked touching toes in front of the class, the number of stroked related to the grade of the fail, whether the boy was a regular offender , and whether frankly this gentleman liked him or not.
His activities were well known in the school, but no action was ever taken to prevent it . As he was a housemaster, one would have thought he got enough activity with caning, although as it happens he was a very erratic and inaccurate caner. Reports were you could get off lightly, unless he was too inaccurate. he saw the process I understand as equivalent to cavalry officers swiping the necks off champagne bottles with a sword – not to be recommended.
The last time I saw him in action was as a prefect in the sixth form. I had to take a message to his classroom for the Headmaster. When I arrived he was happily slippering a row of boys, one if whom was nose to the ground.
I gave him the message, and noted it was R.E. I asked him ( on the way out) ‘Is the lesson for today ‘suffer the little children, by any chance?’His reply, if printed, would disturb Larry 1951 I’m sure. I closed the door and the slipper hit it square on the ‘window’ aperture. Thinking about it, my smart comments probably got those remaining considerably worse, if so, it was unintentional , and I apologize to the boys : but to him NEVER!!
We never crossed swords again.