Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 13
Approximate year of punishment: 1959
Crime committed or alleged: Standard of work
About the punishment
Administered by: Teacher
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished: Classroom
Type of punishment: Cane
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to: Bottom
Position adopted: Banding over a desk
State of dress: Over trousers
Privacy: empty classroom
About the school Boys c of E
Name of School:
Town:
Country: UK
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes
Any other relevant info
I was surprised as teachers did not normerly cane. I was caerful with my work the rest of that year
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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I did respond to your questions, but I either pressed the wrong thing & they got sent to a gardening forum, or they may have been snipped out by a sinister site moderator, possibly because I quoted verbatim the g’friend’s reaction to some of the later canings she got. Rude words were involved. Anyway, she was a bit of a hard-nut so wouldn’t have cried out loud, even if she had to punch a wall to keep it all in. And yeah, we did have spanky fun in our relationship 
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I did respond to your questions, but I either pressed the wrong thing & they got sent to a gardening forum, or they may have been snipped out by a sinister site moderator, possibly because I quoted verbatim the g’friend’s reaction to some of the later canings she got. Rude words were involved. Anyway, she was a bit of a hard-nut so wouldn’t have cried out loud, even if she had to punch a wall to keep it all in.
Sounds like your girlfriend got a lot more canings than you did! Did she get many six-stroke canings? It’s interesting that she was able to take them without crying. Even if she wanted to appear a “hard-nut”, it’s still quite difficult to remain stoic when taking six hard cane strokes, especially when they all land low down on the bum as you mentioned.
The “received wisdom” is that girls generally found the cane much more difficult to take stoically than boys did, but I suppose there are always exceptions. I think Jenny has said that she didn’t cry when she was caned, so there’s another one!
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JennyBr1,7762
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
“Received wisdom” is also that girls are all little angels (the “Sugar & Spice” factor) and we know how untrue that is.
It wasn’t so much that girls found the cane more difficult to take stoically, it was more as case of not bothering to try because most of us had no reason to. A boy who broke down at the thought of, or after, being caned would be called a “snivelling wretch”; a girl who did so would be “showing contrition”. Many, probably most, girls can turn “the waterworks” on and off like a tap – as the situation requires. I don’t give way to tears easily but, when I was in front of the Headmistress, there wasn’t any point anyway because it wouldn’t have gained me anything.
There’s no reason to think that the cane hurts girls more than boys either. There is no common frame of reference to make any comparison. We can compare reactions but that doesn’t show how much pain the subject is suffering. Women often seem to cope with a given injury better than men. Perhaps, in general, we’re less sensitive to pain or have better pain management systems (of which crying might be one) to cope with childbirth. The fact is, we’re all different. Some girls were able to take a slippering or caning better than some boys. Equally, some boys were able to take it better than some girls.
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Sally
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
“Received wisdom” is also that girls are all little angels (the “Sugar & Spice” factor) and we know how untrue that is.
Yes, well I never believed that one – especially after the first time I played in a school hockey match against a team from a nearby girls school. That was quite an eye-opener!
It wasn’t so much that girls found the cane more difficult to take stoically, it was more as case of not bothering to try because most of us had no reason to. A boy who broke down at the thought of, or after, being caned would be called a “snivelling wretch”; a girl who did so would be “showing contrition”. Many, probably most, girls can turn “the waterworks” on and off like a tap – as the situation requires. I don’t give way to tears easily but, when I was in front of the Headmistress, there wasn’t any point anyway because it wouldn’t have gained me anything.
I suppose boys would also feel under more pressure not to cry for fear of being teased or ridiculed by their school mates, especially if a boy was being caned along with other boys for a “group” offence. I think that would have been the more pressing consideration if I’d ever been caned at school.
There’s no reason to think that the cane hurts girls more than boys either. There is no common frame of reference to make any comparison. We can compare reactions but that doesn’t show how much pain the subject is suffering. Women often seem to cope with a given injury better than men. Perhaps, in general, we’re less sensitive to pain or have better pain management systems (of which crying might be one) to cope with childbirth. The fact is, we’re all different. Some girls were able to take a slippering or caning better than some boys. Equally, some boys were able to take it better than some girls.
Yes, all good points.
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JennyBr1,7762
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
That’s a good point (one I neglected to mention) but that type of “peer pressure” applies to girls too. Imagine if you and I had been caught smoking together at (my) school. We would be the the HM’s study together and would, almost certainly, both be in for a dose of the cane. If I took my caning stoically, no doubt you would feel under pressure to do likewise. However, I consider myself equal to a boy so, if you were took your caning stoically, I’d feel under pressure to do the same. Even if the group comprised only girls, most of us felt under pressure to not “let the side down”.
Some of this might be due to our being almost constantly reminded that we were not inferior to boys. We might have felt differently if we had, instead, been inculcated with the idea that we were.
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
That’s a good point (one I neglected to mention) but that type of “peer pressure” applies to girls too. Imagine if you and I had been caught smoking together at (my) school. We would be the the HM’s study together and would, almost certainly, both be in for a dose of the cane. If I took my caning stoically, no doubt you would feel under pressure to do likewise.
Absolutely right! If you had been caned first and had taken it stoically, I would certainly have felt under enormous pressure not to cry or even yell out!
However, I consider myself equal to a boy so, if you were took your caning stoically, I’d feel under pressure to do the same.
I find that one a bit more surprising, although I suppose I should remember that you don’t make allowances regarding any generic differences between boys and girls either physically or emotionally when it comes to taking CP. (I know you do recognise that both boys and girls vary widely as individuals in that regard.) Anyway I venture to suggest you would have been somewhat unusual in feeling such pressure in that scenario. I don’t think most girls would have particularly minded if they had ended up crying when the boy hadn’t.
Even if the group comprised only girls, most of us felt under pressure to not “let the side down”.
Given your previous comment, I can understand that, but do you think the same peer pressure would have existed in an all-girls school? In a group caning situation, if the first girl took her caning without crying, would other girls feel pressure to emulate her?
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JennyBr1,7762
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Conversely, if I had broken down in tears as I was being caned, would you have felt more able to cry or yell out? How about if other boys cried as they were being caned? Would that have relieved the pressure on you to take it stoically or would you have tried to out do them?
I don’t make allowances for sex-based generic differences because I don’t believe there are any. All the apparent differences can be explained in terms of upbringing. Boys are told to “be a man” or “take it like a man”, girls are told to “have a good cry darling”. As I said in another post, a boy who cried at the prospect of being caned would be told he’s a “snivelling wretch”; a girl who did so would be “showing contrition” (so could be let off any punishment). I would have felt under pressure to take a caning at least as stoically as you simply because, in my eyes, to not do so would show me up as being inferior. If I couldn’t manage it, I’d console myself with the thought that you, personally, were stronger than I, not that boys in general were. Strangely perhaps, if I took a caning stoically but you didn’t, I wouldn’t consider myself superior. I don’t really know but I suppose the difference is that, in the first case, I’d only be proving my equality but I don’t want to think of myself as superior.
I don’t agree that I would have been unusual in feeling that pressure either – at least not in my social group. As we were brought up to consider ourselves equal to boys, we had every reason to show that we were. In a different environment, perhaps one you were brought up in, where girls were seen as “weak” and expected to break down at the slightest hint of criticism, they might not feel under pressure to prove otherwise.
Girls can be very competitive, some would say more so than boys. Friends who attended girls’ schools have said that girls who “blubbed” when being caned were looked down upon. If a girl took a caning without crying, the others would be under a lot of pressure to do likewise. For some girls, not being able to take a caning as stoically as a boy wouldn’t be too bad but not being able to take it as well as another girl would be unthinkable.
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Conversely, if I had broken down in tears as I was being caned, would you have felt more able to cry or yell out? How about if other boys cried as they were being caned? Would that have relieved the pressure on you to take it stoically or would you have tried to out do them?
I think I would always have tried to avoid crying or making a lot of noise. However, I think that might have been more because I wouldn’t have wanted to give the teacher the satisfaction of knowing that the caning had hurt! Of course that could have backfired on me because the teacher might have just given me an extra stroke or two to make sure. 
I don’t agree that I would have been unusual in feeling that pressure either – at least not in my social group. As we were brought up to consider ourselves equal to boys, we had every reason to show that we were. In a different environment, perhaps one you were brought up in, where girls were seen as “weak” and expected to break down at the slightest hint of criticism, they might not feel under pressure to prove otherwise.
The only comment I can make about the environment I was brought up in is that I don’t have any sisters and I went to an all-boys school from the age of 8. So I suppose girls didn’t figure much in my thinking for most of those years, and I never thought about how they might react to corporal punishment.