He does at least appear to accept that the 16 year old did have the option – should he have chosen to take it – of departing the school without submitting to punishment.
I would also like to clarify what I meant by ‘physical resistance’. It was not my intention to suggest that the boy would launch an all-out attack on the Headmaster but rather that if – after having clearly indicating that he would not accept the caning – an attempt was made to use force he would be entitled to respond in kind.
Now it is not clear from the details given of the incident as to what exactly was said by the boy to the Headmaster.We do not know,for instance, whether or not he stated his intention to complain to his parents about the way he was being treated. Had he done so, I would suggest that should have been sufficient to have alerted the Headmaster to potential trouble ahead and should also have added a fair bit of credibility to the boy’s claims of innocence.The fact that parents were likely to become involved should have been enough to ,at the very least, defer the prospect of punishment pending further investigation.At the same time – assuming that he had already decided in his own mind to complain to his parents – the boy could reasonably have declined to submit until having consulted them!
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
But when such things happened – or appeared imminent – it was surely reasonable for the boy to refuse to submit and to openly declare ‘I am now going to take this up with my parents and ask them to make a formal complaint to the authorities’.
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bripuk40930
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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Another_Lurker10K289
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty confident that there would be nothing unlawful in relation to the incidents you refer to. If the boys concerned behaved in a way such as to bring the school into disrepute they would be liable to be disciplined. I recall from my own schooldays boys being punished for ‘smoking’ – or less frequently ‘drinking’ – even though the said offences occurred when these boys were not in school uniform or during school hours. The only exception to this would be if a boy was found ‘smoking’ or ‘drinking’ within the confines of a private house – indeed I recall visiting my Headmaster at home on one occasion shortly after he had had a major operation and he offered me both a drink and a cigarette. As a lifelong non-smoker I declined the latter – but accepted a cup of coffee!
This ,of course, is very different from what was discussed in an earlier post which related to a boy who – apparently – had already left the school!
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Another_Lurker10K289
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Yes, that pretty much accords with my own opinion and it is certainly how it was viewed at the time.
You probably realised that I had my tongue very firmly in my cheek when posing the question. In fact I almost included Henry VIII who signed the school’s charter in the list of potential respondents for the sufferings of those who got caned! 
But commendably you have not allowed yourself to be provoked.
I am still intrigued though. Your above post appears to indicate that your relationship with your own Headmaster was a fairly good one. It really would be interesting to know why nearly all your posts here have been on the subject of what you perceive as injustices or illegalities perpetrated by Headmasters.</div>
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Oliver_Sydney92758
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Thank you very much for the further information and thoughts. You raise many interesting points, including:
– There was also no real way a child could safely explain or defend themselves.
– Group and whole class punishments including those who were innocent.
– The thought that all punishments should be at the maximum level.
The failure of some heads/teachers to listen to students is a recurring question, and there is no simple answer. Many of those in authority seemed to make snap decisions and then refuse to admit they were wrong, probably fearing to appear weak. Perhaps the leading cause of resentment and bitterness about CP is from those who were punished when they were innocent. The message given in such cases is often one of arbitrary authority and injustice, and this is exacerbated if the punishment is severe.
One question, if you are happy to answer it. What impact did your severe punishment have on your smoking. You said the punishment was effective. Did you stop smoking altogether or just make sure you weren’t caught?
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Year was 1966
Aged 12
Crime running down Corridor and ploughing into other pupil
Head of Lower schoolin his room
cane 2 strokes on each hand
Mixed Comprehensive in LiverpoolEngland
Not punished for same offence
Yes was effective.
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Guest
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
About You:
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1973
Crime committed or alleged: Fighting with another girl
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member:Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Heads office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 3
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Skirt with tights and knickers underneath
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): Privacy
About the school
Name of School:
Town: Cardiff
Country: Wales
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No but was caned for other offences
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Probably not for above reasons
Any other relevant info: The girl I was fighting with was also caned although it was done separately and I only learned later she had been caned as well
About You:
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 13
Approximate year of punishment: 1974
Crime committed or alleged: Being caught smoking on a school trip
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Heads office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): School summer dress with knickers underneath
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): Privacy
About the school
Name of School:
Town: Cardiff
Country: Wales
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:Yes I was caught smoking again and was caned again
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No because I repeated the offence
Any other relevant info: The school trip was on a Friday and we did not get back to school until late so I had to wait till Monday for my punishment
About You:
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 14
Approximate year of punishment: 1975
Crime committed or alleged: Refusing to play for a school team
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Heads office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Skirt with tights and knickers underneath
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): Privacy
About the school
Name of School:
Town: Cardiff
Country:Wales
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: I still managed to get caned again so I guess not
Any other relevant info: I had a feud with the PE Teacher who had dropped me from the netball team when I was ill.One day when they were short of players they asked me to play and I said I was ill which was a lie.The PE teacher went to the Head saying she wanted mw to be caned and the Head obliged.
About You:
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 15
Approximate year of punishment: 1976
Crime committed or alleged: Smoking
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):Heads office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Wearing a school summer dress which was lifted up so across my knickers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): Privacy
About the school
Name of School:
Town: Cardiff
Country: Wales
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes as that was my last school caning
Any other relevant info: I maintained my record of 1 caning a year at school.I managed to behave in my last year as I was threatened with expulsion which would have affected my exams in the 5th year.