As regards this Forum, I’d suggest that’s probably not so. Indeed, I’d suggest the opposite is true.
I think it would certainly be the case that female contributors have reported more cases of being caned with skirt raised than male contributors have reported instances of being caned with trousers down. However I suspect that an itemised analysis would indicate that both occurrences were relatively uncommon! 
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
You said above:
Well, it’s virtually impossible to prove the proposition either way. But I’ve been through just this thread, and I’ve identified four females who were caned over the knickers as against three who were caned over the skirt. (I didn’t count cases outside the UK, as practices were obviously different in other countries.)
The four “over the knickers” recipients were Alison Wright (page 3), Carol_55 (page 8), Donna (page 11) and Sarah Evans (page 12).
The three “over the skirt” recipients were Jenny (page 4), Rebecca (page 17) and DianeW (page 19). In fact the last two attended the same school, so maybe that should count as just one example anyway!
Obviously this is a microscopically small sample, so we can’t draw any conclusions statistically from it. But I’ve also unearthed an interesting Mister Poll survey entitled “Girls who were caned at school in the UK”. The two URLs for this are:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/241938/results
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/241939/results
(For some reason, the poll appears to have been split into two at some point in time while it was active.)
This poll had an interesting set of questions, and one of them was “What was the standard method for administering the cane on the bottom?”, with the two choices being “Over the skirt (pulled tight against the bottom)” or “Over the knickers with the back of the skirt pulled up”.
You’ll see that the responses were very heavily skewed in favour of the second choice. Yes, we can allow for a proportion of fantasists among the contributors, but most of the contributors were probably answering honestly. The responses to other questions in the poll seem to be quite reasonable.
The poll also elicited the types of school, and more than half of the contributors were in independent schools rather than state schools and more than half were in girls-only schools rather than mixed schools. So it does seem that the practice of caning girls “skirt up” was certainly prevalent in independent girls-only schools, which is not a surprise. But the figures do also suggest that a significant proportion of such canings must have happened in state schools as well.
It would be interesting to have more views on this!
Keith
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bripuk40930
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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neilmc3218729
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
SOME girls were at schools in England and Wales where the cane was an option for female pupils and SOME were doubtless caned on the bottom, but in many others they were often exempt or the cane was used extremely rarely on girls. All-girls boarding schools sometimes but rarely caned their pupils since this was not in their tradition and would have been seen as a failure of more “feminine” approaches to discipline. Caning on the hand was more common for girls, especially in mixed schools, and it was very rare that a male teacher would have been allowed the privilege to cane a girl’s bottom let alone being allowed to do so with knickers exposed. Particularly with girls, the more severe a caning becomes and the more exposure is incurred the higher likelihood of a salacious court case arising, and I’m sure than even fifty years ago male teachers especially were very mindful of this.
As with all data analysis there will be some outliers which could be seized upon as an exception to the norm, and enjoyed to the full, like the infamous Helston incident in 1964. The fact that this led to a successful court case will not have escaped the notice of teachers at the time.
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I certainly agree with you that MALE teachers would hardly ever have caned girls on the bottom, and I don’t think the Mister Poll survey suggests that. It indicates that the vast majority of canings on the bottom would have been given in private by a headmistress or deputy headmistress.
I also agree that, in those state schools where girls could be caned at all, most canings would have been given on the hands rather than the bottom (although I would have thought that would actually be more painful!). The Mister Poll survey specifically excluded canings on the hands, so it doesn’t contradict that view.
I’m sure you’re also right that Mister Poll surveys of that kind attract some fantasists but, if we discount some of the more extreme responses (e.g. canings of more than 12 strokes, etc.), I still feel that most of those who responded were probably being truthful.
Keith
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Another_Lurker10K289
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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KeithInUK218
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Well, I wasn’t thinking of us as “opponents”. More as fellow-searchers after truth!
As I mentioned, the “sample” of accounts of girls being caned on the bottom in this thread is so small that we can’t really draw any statistical conclusions from it. It’s just interesting that, in some cases, girls were caned over their knickers even in state schools.
I suspect that, in most cases where it was done that way, it was simply because a skirt obscures the target area too much and, in effect, limits the area to just the middle part of the bottom rather than allowing strokes to be directed to the lower part of the bottom as well. The result might have been to make a caning a bit more painful as well, but this was probably not the primary reason for lifting the skirt.
Does this seem reasonable?
Keith
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Another_Lurker10K289
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Corporal punishment surveyHi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Approximate age when punished: 10
Approximate year of punishment:1949
Crime committed or alleged: Talking to another boy (He was also smacked)
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): In class
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): hand smacking
Number of strokes: Can’t remember (I was so embarrassed – probably about 12 smacks)
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Back of hand Miss held the tips of your fingers
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): nothing removed!
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class
About the school
Name of School: St Marks
Town: Tunbridge Wells
Country: Kent
Effectiveness Yes I suppose. I was never smacked again by this teacher (whom I liked).
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: no
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Not really. well in a way, but for me being told off would have been JUST as effective
Any other relevant info: In this Primary school the only punishments given were smacking (Boys & girls) and caning of the palm (Boys only) . I was given a single smack by the headmistress on two occasions, one because a girl was put in charge to call out any talking whilst the head mistress was out (I thought I was going to get the cane, but she couldn’t find it, and she smack the girl and then me (On the back of the hand) The other time was when we were doing a copy writing exercise, and about 6 of us (boys & girls) were sent to the front of the class, and one by one we all had a smack. I remember that most mornings those pupils who arrived late had to line up in the cloak rooms till after assembly, those late filled in the girls are gat a good smack, and the boys the cane on their hands (One stroke)
In secondary school (all boys) in the main only the head caned boys (On their trousers bent over) but I never was caned. As an adult I always wondered what it was really like to be caned.