Corporal punishment survey 59

Guest

Nov 23, 2016#581

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

I went to Sharmans Cross High School for Boys in Solihull during the 60s and apart from two lady secretaries all the staff were male. The most common form of cp was the slipper (a plimsoll) delivered with varying amounts of force while we bent over and touched our toes (not always possible for me without bending my knees which wasn’t supposed to happen). The cane was used mainly by the Headmaster and his deputy, the latter used it in class so I saw a few canings as well as slippering.

I was slippered for talking in class, being late for lessons and…talking in class. That was just the first year when I was 11/12. Always delivered to the seat of the trousers – short ones until I was in the middle of the second year – and usually 2 whacks after the first couple of months, but three when a bit older. Apart from one slippering for being late for school when I was 16, most whackings were up to the age of 14 and the slipper wasn’t that effective in stopping me chatting in class. I got a whacking for not doing well in a test and I did try to avoid that the next time.

The cane was feared as worse than the slipper and I managed to get a couple of strokes in the first year from the deputy head for forgetting my homework. He used to make us stretch over his desk for the cane and always made a great fuss about making sure our trousers weren’t padded and had no creases before he unlocked his cane. That all added to the tension (so to speak) when I was getting it and the enjoyment, if I was watching. He caned me twice in the third year: once for not paying attention (3) and once for swearing at the top of my voice in the playground (4). The cane was bad the last two times in particular and left some lines on my buttocks. The last caning was in private.

I was always frightened when I knew I was getting a tanning (as the deputy called it), but became fascinated by the whole process as I saw more of it.

I was never caned by the Headmaster, but he was legendary amongst us boys for being very severe and his cane left marks for 2 weeks in one case I know about.

I hope that covers what is asked for.

Guest

Jan 30, 2017#582

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 9
Approximate year of punishment: 1983
Crime committed or alleged: Forgot

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Staff room
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Hand
Number of strokes: About 30
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over-the-knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Fully clothed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): Private, no other staff

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country: England

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Probably

Guest

Feb 13, 2017#583

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Hi Tom
i to attended Sharmans Cross i have sent you a private email to discuss

Tim

Feb 19, 2017#584

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Gender: Male.
Approximate age when punished: 16
Approximate year of punishment: 2000
Crime committed or alleged: set off fire alarm as a prank

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: discipline master
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): school hall
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): cane
Number of strokes: 5
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Butt
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bending over chair
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc) PE shorts and t-shirt, no boxers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of school

About the school
Name of School: Secondary school
Town:
Country: singapore

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No. It was painful and marks lasted a week but it wasn’t the last time i got caned.

Feb 20, 2017#585

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Tim

Feb 21, 2017#586

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Yes, the video is pretty accurate (though I took it better/it wasn’t quite as hard). These canings weren’t that rare, maybe once a term, so most people were unfazed (it was a coed school). It was humiliating to back to class and have to stand at the back for half a day, but there was also a “hero” factor e.g. when changing for PE, where the welts were on display.
Other canings (before this one):
3 strokes for cheating in an exam, in the office on the butt over school uniform shorts (pulled taut, pockets emptied, no extra briefs)
4 strokes in front of class (2 on palms and 2 on butt over uniform shorts) for defiance

Feb 22, 2017#587

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello Tim,

First may I thank you for responding to my queries. So many contributors post once and then disappear leaving unanswered questions.

You seem to have dealt with the experience of being caned in front of the whole school very well. For me, and I suspect for many people at school in the UK when caning was used here, it would I think have been a most embarrassing ordeal, especially in front of a coeducational school.

My impression would be that canings in front of the whole school were not very common in the UK within the memory of anyone likely to be posting here, but doubtless someone will contradict me. You mention a frequency of around once a term at your school, which I suppose was often enough for everyone to be aware that it happened and to be familiar with the procedure.

As you have been kind enough to answer my initial queries I shall take the liberty of asking some more questions. If you have time to reply to them I shall be most grateful.

<div style=”padding-left:40px;padding-right:40px;”> Was your caning carried out in the course of a routine assembly of the whole school, a regular daily assembly for instance, or was the assembly called specifically to witness your punishment?

You mention having to stand at the back of the class afterwards for half a day. Was that because sitting down was too painful or was it a deliberate extension of the punishment, to make you conspicuous and emphasise to your classmates what had happened to you?

You mention that your public caning was administered over PE shorts only, whereas the canings you had previously received were over your school uniform shorts. Was it your impression that having only the presumably fairly thin PE shorts for protection made the cane strokes noticeably more painful?

You mentioned in your first contribution that you received further canings after the public caning. Would you be prepared to say what sort of canings they were please?

Was the 5 strokes you received the maximum number for public canings, or was the punishment sometimes even more severe?</div>
Thank you for any detail on the above queries that you are able to provide.</div>

Tim

Feb 22, 2017#588

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Was your caning carried out in the course of a routine assembly of the whole school, a regular daily assembly for instance, or was the assembly called specifically to witness your punishment?
It was a morning assembly but was moved to the school hall

You mention having to stand at the back of the class afterwards for half a day. Was that because sitting down was too painful or was it a deliberate extension of the punishment, to make you conspicuous and emphasise to your classmates what had happened to you?
Mainly just the pain, more of an itch really

You mention that your public caning was administered over PE shorts only, whereas the canings you had previously received were over your school uniform shorts. Was it your impression that having only the presumably fairly thin PE shorts for protection made the cane strokes noticeably more painful?
Yes! The lack of underwear made a difference too. But I would say having it bare at home on the thighs and butt was far more painful.

You mentioned in your first contribution that you received further canings after the public caning. Would you be prepared to say what sort of canings they were please?
Got 3 strokes in the office for making out with a girl

Was the 5 strokes you received the maximum number for public canings, or was the punishment sometimes even more severe?
I don’t recall more, but I think the maximum was 6.

Feb 23, 2017#589

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello Tim,

Thank you for another excellent contribution and for again responding to my queries. I hope you will not object if I pose further questions. I fully appreciate that you might not have the time or the inclination to respond!

<div style=”padding-left:40px;padding-right:40px;”>I understand that girls are not subject to corporal punishment in Singapore secondary schools, other punishments such as detentions, maintenance tasks around the school and other alternatives being used for offences where a boy might be caned. I realise this may be difficult, but is it possible to give us an idea of the sort of punishment which your school might have allocated to a girl who committed an offence regarded as being as serious as the one (setting off a fire alarm as a prank) which earned you your 5 stroke public caning?

You mention above that you were given 3 strokes of the cane in the office for making out with a girl. We have a saying in the west that it takes two to tango. If the girl involved was from your school was she also punished by the school and if so could you tell us how?

Are girls ever subjected to a ‘humiliation in front of the school’ type punishment? For instance having to stand before the school while their offences are read out and criticised.

Was there any feeling on the part of boys in your school that by being exempt from the cane girls somehow got off lightly if they did misbehave?

One of the factors which is sometimes put forward as contributing to the decline and eventual banning of school corporal punishment in the UK is that the more strident advocates of sexual equality demanded that boys and girls should be treated equally in school and that equality extended to punishments. A more moderate opinion held that girls should not be subjected to severe SCP such as caning. The ban solved that dichotomy. Did you ever encounter any expressed feeling by girls in your school that they would rather have been caned than punished by more time consuming methods? Or indeed just a feeling that they should be treated the same as boys?</div>
My apologies, another rather long list of queries I fear. If you are able to respond to any of them I shall be most grateful.</div>

Guest

Feb 28, 2017#590

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 9
Approximate year of punishment: 1978
Crime committed or alleged: Kicking a boy in the groin

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female – although we always said we suspected she was a man under her Nun’s habit
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 1
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Touching toes
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Bloomers – sports briefs basically, I was in PE uniform
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In private

About the school
Name of School: Marys Mount
Town: Perth
Country: Australia (WA)

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes because I did not want to happen again so it was a deterrent to poor behaviour in general terms, but I felt like I was justified in what I had done and would have done it again in similar circumstances.

Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 10
Approximate year of punishment: 1979
Crime committed or alleged: I was caught receiving a note in class and when the teacher asked me to give it to him, I ate it instead.

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Smacked with hand
Number of strokes: 5 or 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over lap
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): in school dress
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of my class

About the school
Name of School: Marys Mount
Town: Perth
Country: Australia (WA)

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Very. It was reasonably painful but the humiliation factor was far worse. I didn’t push that teacher again.

Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 13
Approximate year of punishment: 1982
Crime committed or alleged: Being in boys toilets

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: My Head of Year
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 2 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc) School uniform dress
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In private

About the school
Name of School: John XXIII College
Town: Perth
Country: Australia (WA)

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 14
Approximate year of punishment: 1983
Crime committed or alleged: Forging a permission note

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Head of Year
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 3 (but I think it was supposed to be 6)
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): left hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc) School uniform
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): With a boy (I’d written the note for him – I had ‘grown up’ handwriting)

About the school
Name of School: John XXIII College
Town: Perth
Country: Australia (WA)

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes. Especially because it came with the threat or promise that if it happened again, I would get three on both hands.

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