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I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
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hcsj44
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Sep 20, 2009#2
Some schools in the UK are still very strict about uniform and in general I believe it is good for students to learn that there are occasions on which they should dress smartly. However, there are occasions when the rules seem needlessly fussy.
Last month, one school sent a boy home because his trousers had a flat front rather than a single pleat design. Another was told he could not wear trousers with jeans style patch rear pockets even though they were not jeans and in an acceptable dark grey fabric.
Children in my own family have some of their classes in temporary buildings that become very hot during the summer, yet they are not permitted to remove ties or jackets during lessons.
However, one local school takes the prize for draconian punishment in banning the wearing of training shoes. To do so once brings a warning, but further offences are punished with a full day in solitary detention.
Much as I approve of school pupils wearing uniform, I think these examples are unreasonably dictatorial and do not build respect either for the rules or the rule makers.
In my own school, more than half a century ago, the rules were clear but fair. Failure to comply meant a punishment of lines or, at worst, a stroke or two of the slipper. However, there was some flexibility and we were permitted to wear lighter clothing and go without a tie in the summer. Blazers could be removed if it was a hot day.
We were expected to bring the correct kit for PE and sports sessions and it had to be clean. Not meeting the required standard usually resulted in a dose of the slipper, which taught us the importance of observing the rules when you are part of a team.
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Sep 20, 2009#3
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Willy. You ask:
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I can’t help with the girls, we didn’t have uniforms at my mixed primary school, and my secondary school was boys only. However, a classmate at the latter was caned for not wearing his school cap. It wasn’t for a single offence, but for total intransigence over the issue!
The school was a very traditional one. Uniform regulations were absolute. In school, going to and from school, outside the school during lunch break, at school events in the city and even spectating at school sports events, uniform had to be worn and worn correctly. This was even more onerous than might be supposed, because we had Saturday morning school, so there were 6 school days a week. Prefects, Privs (Priviliged Sixth Formers, a sort of sub-Prefect) and Staff would all act on any observed breach of the regulations, even if you happened to be on your way home, 10 miles from the school and 10 yards from your home.
Except when actually in school, caps (the peaked kind with the school badge on the front) were a required part of the uniform unless you were a Prefect or a Priv, or were in CCF uniform (in which case you had to wear the CCF berry). This meant that if you didn’t make Prefect or Priv you had to wear a cap until the end of your schooldays, which of course could be well into your eighteenth year!
Most people put up with this regime without too much protest and hoped to make Priv as soon as they got into the sixth form. Braver souls might risk removing their caps once safely on the bus to or from school, providing no authority figures had got on the same bus, but you risked being spotted through a window. Staff would normally issue lines for caplessness, and if they’d happened to catch you a few times it would be detention. Prefects and Privs would ‘book’ you, which meant you went into the Prefects’ book and duly appeared before the weekly Prefects’ court. This also almost always meant lines, though if you were a very occasional offender you might get off with a warning. However the Prefects could, and sometimes did, cane if the offence merited it, which caplessness normally didn’t.
In the last term of the upper fifth year one of my classmates got very up tight about having to wear his cap. His girl friend from a nearby girls’ school had apparently said that he looked ridiculous in a cap, and if she was on the bus home he started removing his cap in her company. Sadly a Priv, a fairly mean-minded individual, sometimes travelled on the same bus.
In those circumstances, knowing what the problem was, and given his age and the fact that he was almost a certainty for Priv the following year, most Privs, who always had a slightly less secure disciplinary status than Prefects, would have turned a blind eye. This one didn’t, and booked him repeatedly, sometimes two or three times in a week. After a couple of warnings from the Prefects’ court he started to get lines in ever increasing numbers with heavier and heavier warning lectures.
This couldn’t go on and about two weeks before the end of term the inevitable happened and the Prefects decided to cane him, the maximum three strokes. This was a bit of a cause célèbre. At that school at that time canings were not an everyday event for the majority of boys. Only the Headmaster and the Prefects caned. The Headmaster seldom caned, though when he did he apparently did it thoroughly! The Prefects caned fairly often, but usually only younger boys and only one or two strokes.
There was no point in my classmate exercising his right of appeal to the Headmaster. Rules were rules, and he hadn’t got a leg to stand on, in fact he was lucky not to have been caned before. He was caned the next day. The Prefect allocated the task was one of the few first year sixth Prefects, and was slightly less than a year older than the unfortunate recipient, but a big lad with his colours for the rugby first team. The victim said it hurt like hell, and the compulsory Prefect witnesses didn’t please him either. It was his first and last school caning, because apart from the cap thing he’d been as well behaved as me!
I took the whole thing as an illustration of the damage women can do to a poor unsuspecting male! However the following year when I got my Priv I am ashamed to say that I turned a blind eye to a lot of caplessness offences. My caned classmate didn’t though. I think he felt that if he’d had to suffer so should those coming after, which was a not uncommon attitude at the time. A few years after I left the Prefects voted to abolish their right to cane and the Headmaster followed suite.
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Sep 21, 2009#4
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Arragh! In my post above for CCF berry please read CCF beret. Any other errors or spelling mistakes are deliberate to see if anyone can spot them.
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Declan
Sep 21, 2009#5
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
I don’t remember uniforms at my school being a big issue. In my early years we had to wear a cap , but this was abandoned in the second year I think. I cannot recall anyone being punished for a breach of uniform rules.
We had to wear a blazer and tie, and the girls a green jumper and grey skirt. Oddly enough the girls now wear a blazer, and a very smart one. The school has now changed its name again to include ” technology” and they have re-designed the badge.
The only uniform issues which attracted punishment were in PE lessons, and there were a few slipperings for failure to bring the correct PE kit, and in one instance a boy was made to wear girls knickers because he forgot his PE shorts. No doubt had this happened today the teacher would find himself in court.
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Sep 21, 2009#6
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Declan. A most interesting post. I am amazed at the unfortunate boy made to wear girls knickers! I can’t recall when you were at school but even if it was earlier than me, which I know it wasn’t, I’m shocked that a teacher would do that! Mind you, PE Masters seem to have been a law unto themselves in most schools, they certainly were in mine. One of ours could climb a rope one handed and considered that anyone who couldn’t, which was everybody in my form, was a useless shirker and a thoroughly bad lot. PT wasn’t fun!
In school uniform terms I think the breath of fresh air which was the sixties altered things for ever and not necessarily for the better IMHO. You can tell how powerful it was, since as noted above it even persuaded the Prefects at my school to give up the cane a few years after I left in 1960.
Nowdays boys from my school wander about in school blazers capless, tieless and with shirts unbuttoned and pulled out of their trousers just like any other schoolboys. They probably don’t know about the regime we had to live with, and even if they’ve heard of it they probably don’t believe it. They don’t have Saturday morning school either, and they probably wouldn’t tolerate that or the old uniform regime. It had it’s advantages though. When you’d coped with something like that even working in an old fashioned Accountants Office or 1960s Local Government didn’t come as too much of a shock.
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Willy
Sep 21, 2009#7
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Wherever did they get those girl’s knickers which the boy was forced to wear from? Did any of the girls oblige by giving him or the PE master her own knickers? Assuming it was a mixed school.
While on this subject of knickers and school uniforms I think in some schools even the colour of the girls knickers was dictated and compulsary as part of their school uniform. It must have been very embarassing for the girls to be checked if they were wearing the right knickers. Though during the sixties and seventies this would not have been difficult since it was the miniskirt era, even in school uniforms, I remember it well. Those were the days.
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Declan
Sep 21, 2009#8
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
The ” knickers” incident happened in about 1970 and I was at a mixed grammar school.
We had a laundry room and if you were in a school team the kit for the teams was washed for you, I assume to make sure you looked your best. This would apply to boys at rugby and cricket and for girls at hockey and netball.
When I say knickers these items were officially referred to as bloomers ,and girls wore them for PE, and were orange in colour and quite baggy and elasticated around the thighs. There would have been a few spares in the laundry room and I assume this is where the teacher who made the boy wear them got them from.
The PE teacher who made this boy wear these things did not take kindly to boys who were useless at sport, especially if they were a so called ” swot” and he liked to humiliate them. This applied to that boy. I was fine as I was good at sport and not a ” swot”, though he did slipper me once.
I can know see why there are so many people who say they hated PE at school. though I enjoyed it. I have mentioned this teacher before on here and he is still alive and well and allegedly spends plenty of his time looking through binoculars at the school playing fields.
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Sep 21, 2009#9
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Declan. You say:
I have mentioned this teacher before on here and he is still alive and well and allegedly spends plenty of his time looking through binoculars at the school playing fields.
Ah, that would be the teacher who featured in this thread from 7:42 AM on June 25 2009 onwards, a traditional teacher of the very best type with a pride in his school and a high slippering score to ensure the proper behaviour of his charges. Brian Damaged of course considerered that he might be in danger of imminent legal action for his observational activities but it was clear to me that he was merely exercising the right of any householder to observe, with optical assistance if required, the world outside his windows.
Cue for A_Lurkologist to leap in once more and post another cryptic comment accusing me of being Fran of Wembley!
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Ketta1
Sep 24, 2009#10
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Willy
The only CP incident I know for uniform violation was a caning my brother received by a prefect for not raising his cap to a master. This was early 50’s
NO known incidences of CP from my school apart from the PE teacher who slippered the boys for incomplete kit or dirty pumps , a couple of us girls had quite a profitable sideline with our bottle of canvas whitener, girls sneaked into the domestic science room to make sure their PE skirts were ironed to avoid of PE in underwear, lines or detention depending on the teachers mood.
First year boys had to wear short trousers and girls ankle socks. You had to feel sorry for any boy who put on a spout of growth towards the end of their first year, a few tried to get away with wearing long trousers and got sent home and coped a detention on return , girls tried to break the sock rule in the winter, several teachers were sympathetic and lenient, giving verbal warnings, others it was detention, same for not wearing a beret, cap or shirt or blouses hanging out.
Most girls got at least one pull trying to roll skirts over to shorten, breaching the no more than 2 inches above the knee rule, how many of us went through the torture of spending break kneeling on a wood floor under supervision or stood facing the corridor wall.
Second senior school the uniform rules were much more rigid, the thing that sticks in my mind, the number of times we changed in and out of uniform in any one day. Uniform was compulsory for outside school, and church . Violating uniform standards within school resulted in detention or loss of privileges, out of school, grounded and plenty of ear ache..
Don’t forget Hair styles the obligatory, no longer than collar length or tied back, regulation ribbon or clips.
While on this subject of knickers and school uniforms I think in some schools even the colour of the girls knickers was dictated and compulsary as part of their school uniform. It must have been very embarassing for the girls to be checked if they were wearing the right knickers. Though during the sixties and seventies this would not have been difficult since it was the miniskirt era,
Shortening skirt lengths weren’t an option at my later school , we wore dated gym slips right up to late 60’s. To say nothing of hideous boaters, blazers and highly polished shoes. Knickers as you mentioned it , were compulsory of regulation colour, it didn’t pose much resentment, elegant fashion hadn’t found it’s way to Wales. Much is myth attached to girls being individually checked than truth. Discreet opportunities to observe wouldn’t have been hard in a boarding environment.
A_L wrote
BTW, while on the subject of school corporal punishment there may still be an untold story from your post at 6:46 PM on July 16th in your Uniform debate thread. I hesitate to pursue this, but Another_Lurker can’t resist a skirt raising during punishment account, especially from someone with your gift for words as so excellently manifest in your ‘excuses’ post above. Sill Lee Asso would probably be quite pleased as well!
A_L I seem to have missed your request for elaboration , not too out of place here I hope , unfortunately you might be disappointed. No lurid tales of witnessed skirt raising,
her raging outburst during one morning assembly. that decision a contributory factor that led to skirt raising during punishment,
As mentioned above we wore traditional uniform of gym slips rather than skirts. These were secured at the waist by a sash tied and hung to the left just short of hem length,. Assemblies were held every morning where the whole school congregated as one. Apart form the fifth and six forms that were privileged with chairs, all other pupils required to sit crossed legged on the floor. The head a traditionalist was fanatical that uniform should be pristine and worn correctly, and the school assembly become the place for umpteen reminders and rants of its importance.
The day in question the head with eyes of an eagle spotted two girls distracting each other, fiddling with their sashes something a lot of us did sub consciously , she immediately summoned both to stand reprimanding them two in front of the of the whole school, there the matter might have ended, but for another girl not paying attention, also made to stand she noticed her wearing a couple of metal badge attached to her sash, This provoked the head to and outbust on violation of uniform standards .
Being one for humiliation demanded the whole school stand remove their sashes, and tie in a bow behind their back, we all felt like five year old, especially as the things were pink. Following day few assumed the dress code as normal, promptly to be told sashes would remain worn in that fashion, until otherwise instructed, in my time the rule never reverted back.
Girls being girls are not the best informers of what goes on behind closed doors until you find out by personal experience, but sometime after it become knowledge that a certain girl had been caned and that the head rather than ask the girl to remove her sash proceed to chose an alternative option to raise and fold her gymslip back, Im sure the intention was one of convenience and making good something she thought might hinder or distract from the target, rather than making any punishment more humiliating or painful than already, thereafter it became part of the formality of any caning she handed out.
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Sep 24, 2009#11
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Ketta,
A very interesting post , just re-awakened one memory.
You mention your brother and raising caps to staff. At eleven I went to a most forbidding grammar school in Yorkshire, which was established in Elizabethan times. Not raising your cap , even as a first year 200 lines, repeat detention further infractions could imagine but didn’t want to know , thank you!
Anyway I was liberated to independent school at the end of that year, and for my first year we had a ‘modernising’ head. Few trivial punishments .
One morning as a very wimpish forth former I was worried when asked to remain behind by my form master before assembly………not normally good news .My form master was Head of classics, an old man ( at least as old as I today!) , and very gentle in his approach.Like Mr. Chips, full gown , mortar board ….three piece suit He told me he had been at the school since before the war, and that in those days it was a serious offence for a boy not to raise his cap to master. That morning I had passed him in the street, raised mine and said good morning Sir! ( by now ingrained habit!). He appreciated that, indeed it was the first time anyone had done so to him since the appointment of the New Head
He had contemplated reminding the whole class of this simple courtesy, but on reflection , decided not to as it might turn my life into a living hell for a few days! There , in his mind, was nothing more cruel than a pack of forth formers after blood………….!
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Sep 24, 2009#12
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Sorry everybody Forth not fourth TWICE IN A ROW that will never do !!!!!!!Mea maxima culpa ! Next time use the spell checker………
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Sep 25, 2009#13
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Thank you Ketta, an excellent account in your usual inimitable style, and well worth waiting for. The Welsh school cannot have been a great deal of fun, but luckily for this estimable Forum you survived it with your sense of humour intact!
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Ketta1
Sep 25, 2009#14
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
A_L
Not much fun…. but life might have been whole lot easier if i had not resisted against becoming Institutionalised for so long,
THOSE OFFENDING SASHES IN FULL, you can see the high fees didn’t even warrent a set of matching chairs
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Sep 25, 2009#15
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Thank you Ketta, a most interesting photograph! They certainly didn’t spend much on providing for your comfort during leisure time! That looks like a hard floor surface as well, so presumably no carpet. I am intrigued by what the two girls sitting on the floor are playing. Judging from the hands of the girl facing the camera it could be jacks, or as it was called here in the East Midlands, snobs. But did girls play jacks/snobs? It’s so long ago now I can’t remember!
You say:
but life might have been whole lot easier if i had not resisted against becoming Institutionalised for so long.
All accounts I’ve seen of that school suggest that it was a tough environment, unnecessarily so even by the standards of the day. I guess any signs of individuality led to the toughness becoming tyranny, which is always wrong and which you rightly resisted.
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Nov 23, 2009#16
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
I was caned at my grammar school as a result of being incirrectly dressed on a cross country run. The running kit consisted of white shorts and white plimsolls, strictly no shirts. On one occasion I found a coloured bib, used for team games, which had been discarded into a hedge outside the school grounds. For some reason i thought it would be clever and “rebellious” to put it on. I intended to lose it before returning to the school but I was seen and reported. As a punishment I was ordered to complete another run during lunch time. On my return I was told I had cheated by jumping a stream rather than wading through a ford further away. I then had to report to the gym after hours where I received a four stroke caning over a vaulting horse. This was followed by a half hour of circuit training, made more difficult by the effect of the cane. Afterwards I was ordered back to the vaulting horse where I received a further six strokes. I was told that my double offence justified the severity of the thrashing.
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hcsj44
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Nov 23, 2009#17
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Greg_R,
Can you tell us in which year and on which planet all this occurred?
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willyeckaslike
Nov 23, 2009#18
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Declan, you previously mentioned about girls wearing orange coloured knickers, or bloomers. Was this school in St Annes ?
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Nov 24, 2009#19
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
hcj
Re: Uniforms as part of Discipline November 23 2009, 8:34 PM
Greg_R,
Can you tell us in which year and on which planet all this occurred?
hcj
“All this occurred”:
In 1967.
In Hertfordshire,
which is in England,
which is in Great Britain,
which is in the United kingdom,
which is on the edge of Europe,
which is on the planet Earth
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hcsj44
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Nov 24, 2009#20
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Greg_R, thank you for your response. I am sure you can understand my scepticism, exaggerated claims are not unknown on this board, though less common in recent times.
If your claim is true, you were subject to nothing short of serious abuse. I hope you or your parents took some action against those who assaulted you and others who were complicit in the act.
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Zeno
Nov 24, 2009#21
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
It may have been the summer of love but, sorry hcj, it is not especially out of the ordinary.
In the same year my brother was struck with a long steel ruler by the school needlework teacher (don’t ask). This ruler cut his flesh. The result? A letter of apology to our parents which was accepted without question!
A year later in a class attended by my future wife, a boy was struck with a billiard cue being used as a pointer by the music mistress, breaking two fingers and putting him in casualty later that day. The result? A personal home visit by the headmaster who assured the boy’s mother that it would not happen again. The boy later casually used his status of having his arm in a sling as a badge of honour!
So before we disregard some things written about on the board as pure story telling, those of us that were around at the time will be the judge of that!
Zeno
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Nov 24, 2009#22
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi hcj
In 1967, what happened to Greg_R would never have been treated as abuse. If he told his parents, he’d have been lucky not to have got another dose from them. For a boy, it was just par for the course. A girl treated that way might, just might, have possibly got some sympathy but no more than that.
In those days, some teachers were no more than violent thugs who knew they could get away with almost anything. Judging by some of the posts here, provided they limited themselves to male victims, they probably still could.
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Nov 24, 2009#23
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Zeno wrote: So before we disregard some things written about on the board as pure story telling, those of us that were around at the time will be the judge of that!
Well Zeno, I was around at the time, having been born towards the end of the Second World War. Schools were not certainly not gentle places during my time, but any teacher who stepped over the mark soon got his marching orders, as happened at my own school.
I cannot accept that subjecting a pupil to an additional outdoor run, four strokes of the cane, circuit training and then another six strokes of the cane was anything other than extraordinary. Indeed it beggars belief!
But if the story is genuine in all details, I stick by my view that it was abuse, as I do about the other examples you quoted.
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Nov 24, 2009#24
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Jenny, Your post came in while I was replying to Zeno. I accept that there were and are some bad people in society. Even in the 1940s and 50s, it would be a very harsh parent who did not believe Greg_R’s treatment was excessive.
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StevefromSE5
Nov 24, 2009#25
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
As someone who was at Grammar School in 1967, I can say Greg’s treatment WAS abuse, by the standards of that time.
I hope the teacher who did it died screaming of cancer & apologies if that offends anybody, but genuine abuse should offend us a lot more.
Steve M
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Nov 25, 2009#26
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi hcj
Jenny, Your post came in while I was replying to Zeno. I accept that there were and are some bad people in society. Even in the 1940s and 50s, it would be a very harsh parent who did not believe Greg_R’s treatment was excessive.
Some parents were very harsh – particularly in the treatment of their sons. The general feeling tended to be that the teacher was always right and the child was always wrong. If a child (especially a boy) were beaten by a teacher, however severely, that child must have done something to deserve it. Even if the parents did believe their child and thought the “punishment” excessive, most would feel powerless to act. I believe Prof.n’s story here is a good example of that.
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Greg_R
Dec 04, 2009#27
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Jenny, you are so right! The belief that the teacher was always right was widespread. So was the belief that punishments were only administered when deserved!
My brother, who attended the same school in the early 1960s was once caned so severely that the marks on his buttocks lasted a considerable time. His offence was to have underachieved in a certain subject. It was only several decades later that my mother, who was herself a strict disciplinarian when younger, conceded that “we probrably should have done something but you just didn’t then.”
I was very aware of my parent’s belief in strict discipline and harsh punishment so complaining to them was not an option in my mind.
HCJ, if you grew up in the forties and fifties I am very surprised that you were not aware of the sort of discipline and punishments administered. It may not have been the case with every school or every parent but it did occur. Whether or not it was wrong is a personal observation. Also the word Abuse, as you quoted earlier, was rarely (and I am not saying never) applied. This has become a growing trend over the last 15-20 years (especially the last 12 years in Britain) and has now resulted in a situation where teachers are claiming abuse by pupils.
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rodney bacon
Dec 04, 2009#28
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Funnily enough I just this week was talking to a lady of my age who recalled kneeling on the floor whilst the headmistress checked that skirts touched the ground…this was in a girl’s comprehensive in the late 60s.
One of the big control issues at my school was hair length. Clothing regulations seemed to revolved around trouser leg width. In 1966 this was specified as a minimum (a throwback to drainpipes)but by 1972 attention was switched to flare width!
Punishment for non conformance varied between lines from a prefect for say wearing wrong colour socks to suspension if persistently refusing to get a hair cut.
For girls I have heard of the cane being used as a punishment for wearing makeup…again late 60s/early 70s.
RB
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hcsj44
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Dec 04, 2009#29
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Perhaps I was untypical, Greg_R. My Dad was the Deputy Head and later, Headmaster of my school and had a fearsome reputation as a caner, but was always known to be fair and was highly respected by all the pupils. Knowing my background, other teachers assumed that I was accustomed to strong discipline and made no concessions.
Unusually for any pupil I had access to the punishment book when nobody was looking. I saw no examples of brutality there, through experience or by hearsay. Indeed, it was near the end of his life when my father told me how much he had hated using the cane and his regret that on two occasions he had used it unfairly by mistake.
I remember clearly when he dismissed a teacher on the spot for excessive punishment. That evening he took the time to explain to me the meaning of the word “sadist”, knowing that I would leak the information about the sacking to other pupils.
His severe reputation was a useful image, but in fact the person inside was really quite gentle. I spent this afternoon with the man who conducted Dad’s funeral, almost twenty years ago, and he still talks of the number of ex-pupils who came to pay their respects to a much loved educator.
Yes, I am sure there were examples of excess and cruelty in those austere years, but there was still a core of teachers who believed in firm discipline but maintained it with fairness and humanity.
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Dec 06, 2009#30
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
When I was in my last year at secondary school the Queen came to visit the town.
it was decided that one pupil from each year would represent the school by standing with a similar selection from other schools on the local football field. The rest of the pupils had to stand in the stands.
As I was the only boy who could produce the full correct uniform I was chosen.
So wearing it rather than not gave me a great honour and of course it featured in pictures taken of the visit
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Dec 07, 2009#31
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi I got spanked at school lots one time for no pe kit it did me no harm
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Dec 07, 2009#32
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Irene
Hi I got spanked at school lots one time for no pe kit it did me no harm.
Don’t be silly. It must have caused long term “negative effects”, just as it did with me. The “research” says it would so it must have happened but we’re just unaware of it.
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Dec 07, 2009#33
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Irene spanking lowers IQ. Statistically proven just ask Alan Turing.
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Greg_P
Dec 07, 2009#34
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Irene
Hi I got spanked at school lots one time for no pe kit it did me no harm.
Don’t be silly. It must have caused long term “negative effects”, just as it did with me. The “research” says it would so it must have happened but we’re just unaware of it.
I Couldn’t agree more Jenny.
The canings I received when growing up made me question my sexuality, kick cats, hate anyone with an A/E/I/O or U in their name, turned me into a potential mugger, made me divorce my parents, and left me unable to form close relationships.
I am not aware of any of this but I’m sure it’s documented somewhere in the book of PC so it must be true!
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Dec 07, 2009#35
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
I got spanked for no pe kit and no note still better than pe
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Nov 14, 2016#36
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
If you were not wearing proper uniform at my school you were given two warnings. A third offence resulted in a caning from your head of year. This rule applied to girls as well as boys and was for all years.
Lisa.
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Nov 14, 2016#37
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Lisa
And I hope you never broke that rule, Lisa???… MMMMM, I bet you did, am I correct? But perhaps only broke uniform regulations twice and thought very carefully about the consequences of a third breach of uniform regulation.
So rule this applied to sixth formers, too?
So are you saying that a sixth form girl, for example, say aged 18, would be caned for a third offence?
How many strokes would this be or did it vary?
Back to our scenario, Lisa, I hope your school skirt is not too short cometh the day, cometh the hour!!!! LOL!
Bye
Paul
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Nov 14, 2016#38
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Lisa
And I hope you never broke that rule, Lisa???… MMMMM, I bet you did, am I correct? But perhaps only broke uniform regulations twice and thought very carefully about the consequences of a third breach of uniform regulation.
So rule this applied to sixth formers, too?
So are you saying that a sixth form girl, for example, say aged 18, would be caned for a third offence?
How many strokes would this be or did it vary?
Back to our scenario, Lisa, I hope your school skirt is not too short cometh the day, cometh the hour!!!! LOL!
Bye
Paul
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Nov 15, 2016#39
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
Hi Paul,
Thank you for your question. In answer the last year at school we did not have to wear the school uniform but, there was a strict dress code which we regularly flouted. I was told off a few times for not adhering to it but, I never got caned for my dress sins????. We were though subjected to corporal punishment and I know of people who did receive a caning for the offence. These were usually girls as we were the main perpetrators of this particular type of offence.
Thank you once again for your question.
Lisa.
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Mar 06, 2018#40
Funnily enough I just this week was talking to a lady of my age who recalled kneeling on the floor whilst the headmistress checked that skirts touched the ground…this was in a girl’s comprehensive in the late 60s.
One of the big control issues at my school was hair length. Clothing regulations seemed to revolved around trouser leg width. In 1966 this was specified as a minimum (a throwback to drainpipes)but by 1972 attention was switched to flare width!
Punishment for non conformance varied between lines from a prefect for say wearing wrong colour socks to suspension if persistently refusing to get a hair cut.
For girls I have heard of the cane being used as a punishment for wearing makeup…again late 60s/early 70s.
RB
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Girls’ hair which is shoulder length hair must be tied up with black or dark green ribbons only.
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Such offenses do not merit a caning however.
One stroke of a cane in the Singapore School should suffice and they are given plenty of chances to change their other behavior.
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Mar 10, 2018#41
I wonder how many posters here remember anyone being given CP for not wearing the proper uniform at school, both boys and girls.
I think most schools were very strict on this back in my days. I remember once, in secondary school, being sent out of class for not wearing the school tie and told not to come back before getting my tie. Luckily CP had been abolished by then at my school because I’m sure I would have fared worse otherwise. I don’t remember if I had to go home, which wasn’t far away, to get it or if I skipped school altogether that day.
I attended a uk boarding school in the 1980s and every single item of clothing we wore was dictated by the uniform list right down to our underwear
I do not recall any boy being punished for not following the uniform rules
but there were often warnings of pull your socks up or straighten your tie—do your tie up properly
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boliviasquires
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Oct 23, 2018#42
There was a case in the Black Country o Midlands, England, in 1984 where two girls we caned for undoing their top button and ties.
I think this is why in the last 10 years or so, so many schools everywhere have changed their unifurm so girls dont wear ties anymore.
Beause its too difficult to make girls do up their ties these days.
On boys its OK. But on girls it looks slutty or coquettish?
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Oct 24, 2018#43
I can never recall anyone getting slaps for their uniform not being in order. Most of us would have tested the limits where hemlines and the opening of that extra blouse button was concerned but it never seemed to be a major issue. A girl could appear at the beginning of the school year in September with her skirt sedately hovering on her knee and by the following June, the same skirt on the same girl could be bordering on lower/ mid thigh. Maybe the nuns had an understanding of the financial circumstances of a lot of families.
I remember a neighbouring girl who went to another convent school, often wearing her uniform while out with her family over the weekend. We believed that this was some kind of punishment that she was subjected to at home. It was rumoured also that she was given cp by her parents– but we never knew for certain,
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Oct 24, 2018#44
anneh wrote:
I can never recall anyone getting slaps for their uniform not being in order. Most of us would have tested the limits where hemlines and the opening of that extra blouse button was concerned but it never seemed to be a major issue. A girl could appear at the beginning of the school year in September with her skirt sedately hovering on her knee and by the following June, the same skirt on the same girl could be bordering on lower/ mid thigh. Maybe the nuns had an understanding of the financial circumstances of a lot of families.
I remember a neighbouring girl who went to another convent school, often wearing her uniform while out with her family over the weekend. We believed that this was some kind of punishment that she was subjected to at home. It was rumoured also that she was given cp by her parents– but we never knew for certain,
When were you at school anneh? Much of what you say dispels the rumours that all convent schools used a lot of corporal punishment. My wife and her sisters went to a private convent school in the West of England in the mid 1950s to the early 1970s. They are all in their 60s now. There was no corporal punishment used on either the boarders or the day girls there. About the worse that could happen to them was a note home to parents and then what happened to them depended on their parents.
As to the wearing of school uniform at weekends; in the past if a boy or girl went to a school that their parents were particularly proud of they were often encouraged to wear their smart school uniforms at weekends to family functions even to family weddings, It was even more likely if the parents were paying big school fees!
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sheapy22
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Oct 25, 2018#45
that’s what happened to me parents paid school fees,we had a smart uniform,and we went on holiday to London,i was 14 and wore blazer with school stripes,grey shorts and grey fold over knee socks with the school colours,also wore these cloths on weekends occasionaly,and I also received corporal punishment at school on average about once a week
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Oct 25, 2018#46
Even in the 6th form we had to wear a cap. In the lower school failure to comply with strict uniform regulations could result in a couple of strokes of the cane.
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Oct 25, 2018#47
I completed my schooling in 1982. Soon after that, the use of corporal punishment was banned– — sadly it was a bit too late for my generation. Had I been born a few years later or if the ban had come in a few years sooner, a lot less hours of my teens would have been spent nursing throbbing hands under armpits.
By the standards of the time, I suppose the the regime in the school that I attended was no worse than in any other,- cp was an accepted part of school life back then. But my personal experience was, that the nuns, were in general, less severe than the lay teachers. Young teachers, some not too long after graduation and not that much older than their teenage students, applied the stick and leather with relish.
Humiliating insults were applied where a girl might be seen wearing lipstick, makeup, nail varnish etc, or for that great crime of being seen chatting to one of the boys from the Christian Brothers school next door. But to not achieve the required standard in a test could result in getting anything up to six slaps.
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Oct 25, 2018#48
Hi anneh, so you felt school CP across your hands, cane or strap? My wife escaped all school CP but any feedback from school concerning poor work or bad behaviour meant a slippering at home.
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boliviasquires
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Oct 26, 2018#49
Anneh did you to a school where girls did get CP on hands?
I went to a school where were.
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Oct 26, 2018#50
six of the best wrote:
Your neignbour girl who wore school uniform after school or at weekends.
It might not have been punishment.
It wasnt or isn’t as rare as you think. – For boys or non convent schools.
anneh wrote:
I can never recall anyone getting slaps for their uniform not being in order. Most of us would have tested the limits where hemlines and the opening of that extra blouse button was concerned but it never seemed to be a major issue. A girl could appear at the beginning of the school year in September with her skirt sedately hovering on her knee and by the following June, the same skirt on the same girl could be bordering on lower/ mid thigh. Maybe the nuns had an understanding of the financial circumstances of a lot of families.
I remember a neighbouring girl who went to another convent school, often wearing her uniform while out with her family over the weekend. We believed that this was some kind of punishment that she was subjected to at home. It was rumoured also that she was given cp by her parents– but we never knew for certain,
When were you at school anneh? Much of what you say dispels the rumours that all convent schools used a lot of corporal punishment. My wife and her sisters went to a private convent school in the West of England in the mid 1950s to the early 1970s. They are all in their 60s now. There was no corporal punishment used on either the boarders or the day girls there. About the worse that could happen to them was a note home to parents and then what happened to them depended on their parents.
As to the wearing of school uniform at weekends; in the past if a boy or girl went to a school that their parents were particularly proud of they were often encouraged to wear their smart school uniforms at weekends to family functions even to family weddings, It was even more likely if the parents were paying big school fees!
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CaneMarksOnMyBottom
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Oct 31, 2018#51
At my secondary school in the 1970’s boys could be, and often were, given the strap for uniform infringements. Even something as trivial sounding as wearing the wrong colour socks or not doing the top button of your shirt up could result in the strap.
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sheapy22
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Nov 01, 2018#52
guessing you had coloured bands on uniform socks,how could a boy you make a mistake putting the wrong colured socks on in the morning,were you all taking drugs,ha ha,never had the strap,had something similar cant remember what they called ,it used on the backs of our legs
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Nov 01, 2018#53
My boys’ grammar school, in the 1950s had a full and strict uniform code. Grey shorts, grey shirts, navy blazers, ties. caps, grey stockings, black shoes. Shorts were worn until at least the year in which you reached 15. In fact many of us wore them for a further year because we chose to and were encouraged to. Uniform inspections were held by the prefects each day, and punishments incuding the cane. The school had its own scout troop, and those in the troop wore scouts shorts until age 18.
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sheapy22
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Nov 02, 2018#54
same here with the cloths to scouts,but wasn’t their for long, left when I was about 16,but did wear grey shorts and grey fold aver knee socks and out on parades.wore shorts and knee socks till 18,and the dam cap which tried to get rid of using hedges,but somehow managed to find its way back on me head
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howill
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Nov 02, 2018#55
Strange how in 2018 more and more folk are wearing shorts rergulkarly, and not just on holiday in hot climates.
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sheapy22
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Nov 02, 2018#56
I don’t think it is strange,iam surprised more people don’t ,I wear shorts and knee socks to day when am out ,I have a skinny frame and I think I pull it off, these cloths are comfortable,if people think its weard, tough,if will smith the actors son can wear dresses in public,i should feel ok about wearing shorts and socks
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boliviasquires
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Nov 04, 2018#57
Wearing schooluniform after school hous is not that rare. At state school. But more private.
uUntil homework is done. Or out somewere. Or saturdays or sundays. or events.
And not as a punishment.
I did.
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Nov 04, 2018#58
Wearing schooluniform after school hous is not that rare. At state school. But more private. For private school pafents iyvsaved them money on clothes.
Until homework is done. Or out somewhere. Or saturdays or sundays. or events.
And not as a punishment.
I did. I preferred it.
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sheapy22
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Nov 04, 2018#59
I did ,I liked the fact girls liked the uniform,some of them also seemed to like the corporal punishment we received,i went to a mixed school,and we all got the cane in front of each other
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Nov 04, 2018#60
In my home, first thing we done having come in from school, was to take off our uniforms. My mother would constantly remind us that they didn’t come cheap and needed to see out the school year. Sometimes too, if their condition was good enough, they would be handed on to a younger child or given to a neighbour who could use them. I remember, much to my displeasure, wearing a school skirt that was worn previously by my older sister.
That is an interesting point about girls who actually liked getting slapped. There were two particular girls in our class who I often think might have fallen into this category. One teacher carried a swishy stick about 2 ft long but despite frequent threats to use it, never actually done so. That was until one of those girls provoked the teacher so much that she called the girl to the top of the class, ordered her to hold out her hand and gave her two hard slaps with the stick. I only recall that same teacher ever using her stick once more, that was when the other girl pushed the teacher’s tolerance just that bit too far and ended up getting two slaps on each hand for her troubles. I remember too, anytime that those girls got slapped, they would be constantly looking at their punished hands and often be showing them to each other [as if to compare the damage inflicted]. Most girls would thrust their hand under their armpit or /and squeeze it vigorously on their lap but only look at it in the privacy of the toilet.
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Nov 04, 2018#61
Many parents who sent their children to a public or private school took great pride in their children being seen in their school uniforms. Uniforms were expensive so it showed that the parents were better off than some. Private school uniforms were often quite distinctive; striped blazers and for some girls, tartan skirts. There are several schools in Shropshire, nowhere near Scotland that still wear uniforms like this even now.
However my wife and her sisters went to a private school that’s uniform was all mid grey, knickers included. The school used no CP but all three felt the slipper at home if they really misbehaved. This was in the 1950s/60s although I am aware that many parents used family CP throughout the 1970s and into the 1980s. I think most of this ended when schools ceased to use CP. My personal knowledge of school/family CP was in UK particularly the West Country.
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Nov 04, 2018#62
In Canada only the Catholic and private schools have uniform policies, here is a couple of links and pictures, green skirt is the one my wife would have worn, by the time my kids hit high school there were no more skirts. Uniforms can only be bought from one supplier so there was no difference from child to child.
https://stmary.wcdsb.ca/about-us/school … rocedures/
https://resurrection.wcdsb.ca/student-s … gulations/
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Nov 04, 2018#63
kevinont wrote:
In Canada only the Catholic and private schools have uniform policies, here is a couple of links and pictures, green skirt is the one my wife would have worn, by the time my kids hit high school there were no more skirts. Uniforms can only be bought from one supplier so there was no difference from child to child.
https://stmary.wcdsb.ca/about-us/school … rocedures/
https://resurrection.wcdsb.ca/student-s … gulations/
In the UK the single uniform supplier policy often meant the school received a donation from that supplier but the official line was equality as all had to wear what was probably slightly overpriced clothing.
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Nov 04, 2018#64
Are girls being shamed more than boys? Should anyone be shamed by others? For being far too fat? For being far too thin? For being far too ugly? For being far too sluttish?
High school seniors are often asked to list their height and weight and submit a pictures in their application for college.
Putting Catholic boys in an awkward position? Me thinks not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ngths.html
You shouldn’t judge is what I think is the point. The girls in the first picture are not putting the boys in an awkward situation. They’re not dressing in a manner that deserves a referral to the principal’s office.
Actual pictures of Catholic school girls.
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/the … forms.jpeg
Au contraire mon ami, they are overdue for a trip to Mr Masterson’s office.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOKclKwac7U/ … 2Bgirl.jpg
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Nov 05, 2018#65
six of the best wrote:
In the UK the single uniform supplier policy often meant the school received a donation from that supplier but the official line was equality as all had to wear what was probably slightly overpriced clothing.
i agree…the same here we feel it was over priced…and quality not the best
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Nov 05, 2018#66
Actual pictures of Catholic school girls.
https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/the … forms.jpeg
Au contraire mon ami, they are overdue for a trip to Mr Masterson’s office.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOKclKwac7U/ … 2Bgirl.jpg
your pictures were a little better ????????….mine were from the two local catholic schools, which my children attended
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Nov 05, 2018#67
2015holyfamily wrote:
Are girls being shamed more than boys? Should anyone be shamed by others? For being far too fat? For being far too thin? For being far too ugly? For being far too sluttish?
High school seniors are often asked to list their height and weight and submit a pictures in their application for college.
Putting Catholic boys in an awkward position? Me thinks not.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … ngths.html
You shouldn’t judge is what I think is the point. The girls in the first picture are not putting the boys in an awkward situation. They’re not dressing in a manner that deserves a referral to the principal’s office
and i agree with you here a 100% the link you have here from Canada….the principal was wrong…..all skirts here have to have “shorts” under ( not sure what they are called)
to your point what if he measured the boys shorts to see if their legs were too sexy for the girls to look at!
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Nov 06, 2018#68
just the threat of the cane is bad enough,one teacher used to pretend that their was something in his brief case by dipping his hand in then he would look up ,but fair doo,s he never hit anybody ever,he did look scary thou,taut latin,still don’t know one word of it
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Nov 06, 2018#69
I think qw must all remember that in the 1950s/60s the wearing of a uniform of some sort was normal in all walks of life. During WW2 many shops and businesses carried signs “Only men in uniform served here”. There was an almost military thing about uniform for many occupations. If we look back in old family photographs there are many photographs of people in uniforms, some in uniforms for nursing, postmen, bus drivers and thousands of other jobs. A great pride in showing off their uniforms!
Many schools did enforce school uniform rules with detentions and corporal punishment. Generally there were warnings first and some leeway as time went on.
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Nov 06, 2018#70
six of the best wrote:
I think qw must all remember that in the 1950s/60s the wearing of a uniform of some sort was normal in all walks of life. During WW2 many shops and businesses carried signs “Only men in uniform served here”. There was an almost military thing about uniform for many occupations. If we look back in old family photographs there are many photographs of people in uniforms, some in uniforms for nursing, postmen, bus drivers and thousands of other jobs. A great pride in showing off their uniforms!
Many schools did enforce school uniform rules with detentions and corporal punishment. Generally there were warnings first and some leeway as time went on.
In France, Belgium, The Channel Islands etc.? ????
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Nov 06, 2018#71
WWT wrote:
six of the best wrote:
I think qw must all remember that in the 1950s/60s the wearing of a uniform of some sort was normal in all walks of life. During WW2 many shops and businesses carried signs “Only men in uniform served here”. There was an almost military thing about uniform for many occupations. If we look back in old family photographs there are many photographs of people in uniforms, some in uniforms for nursing, postmen, bus drivers and thousands of other jobs. A great pride in showing off their uniforms!
Many schools did enforce school uniform rules with detentions and corporal punishment. Generally there were warnings first and some leeway as time went on.
In France, Belgium, The Channel Islands etc.? ????
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I was referring to the UK in peace time, 1950s/60s, but I suspect there was a pride in wearing a uniform in other countries too. Perhaps you are referring to uniforms wore by hostile forces/organisations. Then it would be what that particular uniform represented.
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Nov 14, 2018#72
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Strange how in 2018 more and more folk are wearing shorts rergulkarly, and not just on holiday in hot climates.
Very true. I have just got home from a long weekend in a city in the North of England and, despite the cool showery weather, quite a number of men were wearing shorts. I had a pair of longish shorts with me, so I followed the trend, at least during the day – the nights were cold – and it was very comfortable and pleasant.
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Nov 19, 2018#73
Local radio in Sussex was carrying a report this morning that the Headmaster of a secondary school in Brighton had introduced a rule that boys were henceforth to wear black socks as part of school uniform. Apparantly some had been going to school wearing purple ones
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Nov 19, 2018#74
Hello PC21,
At my advanced age I am seldom au fait with the latest social trends. Do purple socks project some youthful attitude or opinion that the headmaster finds unacceptable? As boys in secondary schools invariably wear long trousers anyway I wouldn’t have thought the colour of their socks would be an issue. Unless of course the headmaster was in search of something to make an issue of. ????
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Nov 20, 2018#75
So unfair to fine the rich with the poor. Cane them.
https://www.ssplprints.com/image/143945 … ember-1967
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Nov 20, 2018#76
Some styles will never go out of style.
Japanese school uniform.
https://ganbaregenki.files.wordpress.co … ifuku3.jpg
https://ganbaregenki.wordpress.com/2012 … ol-uniform
Pervert proof.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/03/how-j … ert-proof/
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/03/how-j … ert-proof/
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Nov 21, 2018#77
Hello American Way,
Out of the very high esteem in which I hold you I have done my very best for you, I really have! Sadly though, although caning was still permitted in some English schools in 1967 I can find absolutely no evidence that it was used at the City High School for Girls, Chester, which I think may be the correct name of the school attended by the girls in your ‘skirt length measurement’ picture.
Curiously the picture does feature on a number of sites which purport to show pictures of ‘schoolgirls’ being subjected to various types of SCP, but they are of the fantasy variety.
The full caption, which I couldn’t access from your link, possibly my fault, reads:
Students face mini-skirt fine December 1967.
UNITED KINGDOM – DECEMBER 04: Girls at Chester City High School checking the length of skirts. Prefects have been measuring the skirts of the 625 pupils at the school. For each inch, the mini-skirted offenders must pay a 2d [1p] fine. So far the fines have totalled £3. There is also a 2d fine on laddered stockings. The fines go towards the £400 the school has collected in the last term for charity. The head mistress, Miss Dorothy W Preston said: “I’m delighted. The suggestion came from the girls themselves.” Here, 16-year-old Jill Norfolk is measured by form prefect Gay Skidmore (16), watched by Irene Jones (17) and Enid Lloyd (15).
Despite extensive research I have never found a believable account of prefects at a girls’ school wielding the cane, so I doubt that Ms Skidmore could have administered instant justice with said implement. As already noted I suspect from the general information about the school that the staff there didn’t cane either. But who knows, a better informed contributor may confound me!
The school appears to have been part of several amalgamations, and I think it celebrated its centenary in 2011 as the Queen’s Park High School, Chester.
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So unfair to fine the rich with the poor
Nonetheless that was the practice with judicial fines over here until comparatively recently, Indeed you may recall festive silly season threads here suggesting that for minor offences the impecunious should be allowed to opt to be caned instead. A certain contributor, though by no means impecunious, was quite enthusiastic about this, but only providing that the cane was wielded by an attractive young WPC. No names, no pack drill! ????
In 1967 2d would have been more than it sounds as a financial penalty for a schoolgirl. The then UK pound was 240d and at the time I was certainly not poor on £10 per week, though shortly afterwards I took a rather better paid job, albeit with the disadvantage that I had to do some real work!
Your liitle essay into Japanese schoolgirl uniforms: Well yes, they did have skirt length problems and consequential measuring activities related thereto. However I bet this chap enjoyed his job more than any school staff! ????
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