Thank you for your answers to the survey, Lucy, and welcome to our Happy Circle. Eight strokes does seem rather excessive.
If you were able to respond to the questions you have missed, our truth-seeking readers would be even happier.
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JennyBr
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Apr 03, 2010#12
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hi Lucy,
Crime committed or alleged: Abusive to a science teacher, after she over reacted to a prank in the lab and I refused to go to her detention.
Were you abusive to her and what was the prank? A Laboratory can be a very dangerous place so I can understand a science teacher taking a very dim view of pranks played there – I would too. Also, you refused a detention, how else do you think you should have been punished for that? Eight strokes of the cane does seem a little excessive though.
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
More importantly, did you ever commit the same offence again?
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No
Why not? Did you continue to abuse teachers and refuse detentions?
I was the first girl to be caned at the school, which opened in 1979. I was unhappy about it, as were my parents.
I can understand your not being happy about being caned, I can’t say I ever found it an enjoyable experience. Presumably your parents and you all knew CP was used in the school. You said you were the first girl to be caned there (not the first pupil) so presumably boys had been caned before. Did you think girls would be exempt?
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Another_Lurker
10K289
Apr 04, 2010#13
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hi Lucy, and a somewhat belated personal welcome to this estimable Forum. Eight strokes of the cane would certainly be excessive if you had only committed a breach of laboratory etiquette, unless you’d managed to blow the place apart! However I suppose the ‘tariff’ actually covered all three offences, including refusing the detention and abusing the teacher. Possibly three strokes for each, reduced to eight because that was the maximum allowed. Was anything said to you to explain the sentence before you were caned please?
You say two other people were in attendance. Presumably one of these was the science teacher concerned. Was this the case please, and if so who was the other member of staff? In many schools being the first girl caned would have given you a certain kudos amongst other pupils, even if, for a time at least, it had the opposite effect with the staff. Did you find that this was the case?
You are to be congratulated on copying and pasting Robin’s survey in order to respond to it. I made a little bet with myself as to what would happen in that respect when anyone completed the full survey and you have caused me to lose that bet!
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Lucy Buckingham
Apr 04, 2010#14
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hello,
To the three people who have responded to my participating in Robin’s survey (Jenny, Research Assistant 2 and Lurker (Is it??? LOL Can’t recall!!): I’m happy to answer your questions, but not publicly. I’m happy for any of you to email me.
It was a family friend who spotted Robin’s survey and asked me to respond. At that point, I never realised that the website was a largly pro school punishment thing. I am not member of your group.
Like I say, I’m happy to respond to questions in private if that is OK
My email addy is:
lucybuckingham37@yahoo.co.uk
Looking forward to hearing from you
And I wish the group here my very best wishes
Bye
Lucy Buckingham
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Another_Lurker
10K289
Apr 04, 2010#15
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hmm, that’s an interesting impression of us that Lucy has gained. I think it’s an unfortunate impression. Are we ‘a largely pro school punishment thing’? In a school as in society in general there has to be punishment of some sort. No reasonable person could object to it, the alternative is anarchy. For that reason I presume she means school corporal punishment, which some reasonable people do object to.
So are we ‘a largely pro school corporal punishment thing’? I’d have said not, but others may differ. If, as I think we can probably assume, Lucy is anti school corporal punishment it is a great pity that she isn’t prepared to stay around and debate the issue. Her own experience clearly gives her a valid platform for this. Much more valid for instance than my own somewhat limited experience of the subject.
Ah well, ’twas not to be. Farewell Lucy.
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RobinResearch
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Apr 05, 2010#16
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Many thanks for your responses to my questions so far. I’m sorry to be slow to respond but I’d been forced off line by the total failure of my computer system. I now have a new one and have responded to my outstanding e-mails.
Thanks especially to Lucy for starting the ball rolling as I wasn’t sure if I would be the only participant to reply to my original questions. I will however be posting some of the other punishments that I received in the near future.
Regards,
Robin.
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Guest
Apr 10, 2010#17
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 12 years old
Approximate year of punishment: 1975
Crime committed or alleged:
It was during a PE lesson and we were throwing the shot put. We also used to throw javelins and discus. As there had been many accidents with these, our school had strict rules about throwing them.
When everyone had thrown their shot, we were all ordered to walk out onto the field and collect the shots. The shot put was a heavy metal ball and could be easily dropped on your foot if you werent careful. As I picked up the ball I started to walk back while rolling the ball between both hands (a bit like a bowler in a cricket match). As I was doing this I was spotted by our teacher, Mr Smith, and he shouted at me to carefully place the ball on the ground and go over to see him.
When I got there he said to me Dont you know you are breaking a school rule boy? and was informed that I could have easily dropped the ball on my foot and broken my toe or something. I replied No sir and hadnt realised the danger of the situation.
He then ordered me to bend over and as he always had a plimsole (gym shoe) handy he whacked me six times across my backside. It really hurt because I was only wearing a white vest with thin black cotton shorts. We didnt wear underwear. My backside was sore for some time afterwards and I had to throw the ball again..
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: PE Teacher (Mr Smith)
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Sports field
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Slipper (Gym shoe)
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Over PE shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class
About the school
Name of School: Stockport School
Town: Stockport
Country: UK
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No
Mike
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andrew505
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Apr 10, 2010#18
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
I am male
Happened at age 14
In 1966
The crime:
I was playing the organ for evensong one summer evening. I had finished the formal voluntary before the service, and had to fill in while the choir processed. Being a very hot day I improvised on `Summer Time’. While the Director of Music seemed to like it, the Head did not. I was summoned to his study the next morning.
Punishment
By Headmaster
Male
His Study
3 strokes of cane
bent over back of leather arm chair
Bare backside
No one else present
Boys boarding school in Yorkshire, UK
Effectiveness?
I was very careful not to play `secular’ music at services while at school.
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academydean
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Apr 12, 2010#19
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 14
Approximate year of punishment: 1960
Crime committed or alleged: Shooting paper clips up at windows in auditorium study hall with a rubber band.
Caught by the study hall teacher and taken to the Principal’s office.
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Principal, Mr Williams
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Principal’s office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Paddle
Number of strokes: 5
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over a desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Over trousers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): One teacher present as witness
About the school
Name of School: Bellevue HS
Town: Pittsburgh
Country: USA
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes
Any other relevant info: The study hall teacher who took me to the Principal’s office explained to the Principal what I had done. The Principal decided to give me 5 swats while the study hall teacher stood by as a witness. It was my first paddling in this school and it hurt.
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Alan S
Apr 14, 2010#20
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 13
Approximate year of punishment: 1965
Crime committed or alleged: I failed to prepare an assignment properly and then lied when quizzed about my lack of preparedness
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Teacher (Mr Hunter)
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): The slipper (a white gymshoe)
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over touching toes
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Seat of trousers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of the class
About the school
Name of School: King’s School
Town: Macclesfield
Country: Cheshire
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Very effective. I made sure I never got it again off the same teacher
Any other relevant info: He slippered extremely hard and very fast. The whole thing was over in a few seconds. The pain was unbearable for about 30 seconds and I had a sore bottom for the rest of the day. But I had no complaints. I deserved it and it did me good. He was an excellent teacher.