Corporal punishment survey 22

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Hi Keith

In my case I considered it a matter of self-respect, not giving the teacher the satisfaction of knowing it was hurting me is part of that.

You suggested I would have been somewhat unusual in feeling pressure not to cry. You might not have consciously thought about how girls would react to CP but clearly you had an idea of how we might. I now venture to suggest that something planted the seed of that idea. Perhaps you heard that girls are made of “sugar and spice” or read something in a children’s story book about nasty boys and angelic girls . If you had nothing to contradict that, such as little horrors of sisters or female classmates, you would have no reason to believe otherwise. If you had been at school with me, you would have known just how bad girls can be .

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Feb 24, 2011#212

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 5
Approximate year of punishment: 1982
Crime committed or alleged: Talking in class

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Smacked with a hand
Number of strokes: 3
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Over shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class just before the boy I was talking to got the same treatment.

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfied, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: For a while

Any other relevant info: This teacher told us on our first day (at least I think it was the first day) that she would smack bottoms if we were naughty, but didn’t really follow through with it that often and not normally for something like talking in class. I’m not sure why it was different that day.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 5
Approximate year of punishment: 1982
Crime committed or alleged: Throwing and ripping a book

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): smacked with hand
Number of strokes: 5
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Over shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I got into a temper with another boy and threw the book at him. I knew what was coming the instant I looked at my teacher and I was immediately sorry, but it didn’t make any difference. These smacks were quite a bit harder I think than the ones I’d had the first time.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 6
Approximate year of punishment: 1983
Crime committed or alleged: Lying when asked if I’d been in a group of children who’d been out of bounds

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): smacked with hand
Number of strokes: 5 or 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Over shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes, because of the threat that came with it

Any other relevant info: She told me very clearly – the whole class heard something like “I can forgive naughtiness but not dishonesty. If you lie to me again, I will pull your pants down and smack you that way.”
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 7
Approximate year of punishment: 1984
Crime committed or alleged: A group of us were daring each other to go into the opposite sexes toilets

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): ruler
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 2 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing one hand out at a time.
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class along with a girl and two other boys.

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfied, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes, I think so.

Any other relevant info: We only had a couple of girls in each class – a boys’ school that had only been coeducational a few years and the idea didn’t seem to be catching on – nearly all the girls were sisters of boys at the school – and when a girl was punished it was a pretty big deal. I think they got it when they deserved it just as much as we did, but there were less of them and they didn’t break rules as much as some of the boys.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 7
Approximate year of punishment: 1984
Crime committed or alleged: Leaving the schoolgrounds ‘to get a ball’

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Ruler
Number of strokes: 2
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I totally embarassed myself and still get reminded of it to this day by other people who saw it. There were six of us getting punished together and somehow I wound up at the end of the line and had to watch everybody else really get hit hard. Three on each hand. I couldn’t help myself. I started crying like a baby, begging for mercy – even at 7, boys tried to be tough but I couldn’t manage it this time. My teacher didn’t give in easily by the screams I gave at the first two strokes of the ruler and the twisting and writhing I was doing as I tried to get away from the grip she had on my wrist actually lead to her stopping. I was sent back to my seat with the words “What a big baby!” The contempt of the boys who’d taken their punishment towards the boy who’d escaped actually lead to the first caning of any of my age mates for bullying me. The cane was the ultimate threat, very rarely used as low as Grade Two. So then I was the baby that got other boys caned. I decided I was never going to be such a sook again – which had both good and bad outcomes. It made me tougher, but also later on meant I failed to report what I now understand to be genuine abuse masquerading as corporal punishment.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 7
Approximate year of punishment: 1984
Crime committed or alleged: Talking in class (during silent reading)

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Classroom teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Ruler
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 2 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfied, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Short term, yes

Any other relevant info: The girl next to me whispered to me, I whispered back that she should be quiet, and it turned into a whispered argument. This time I got the ruler first which made it a lot easier to take. Having to watch other people getting it before I did always made it hard. I think if it had to be used, it should have been in private.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 8
Approximate year of punishment: 1985
Crime committed or alleged: I’m not really sure

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Spanking
Number of strokes: 8
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over kne
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): shorts and underpants pulled down
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: I don’t know what the offence was
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes, by making me utterly terrified of this teacher so I desperately tried to behave in her class, but it also helped caused further confusion which had consequences later.

Any other relevant info: This teacher was an elderly lady – I don’t really know how old, she could have been anywhere from 50 up, I suppose, even that seems really old when you are 8 – and had a very variable personality. She could be kind and sweet for a couple of days and then she got mean. She spanked on the bare bottom, very hard. I remember absolute dread in the last few weeks of Grade Two as you realised you could wind up in her class next year, and I was one of the ones who did. There were four girls in the class which added to the embarassment factor for everybody involved. I don’t know why I got that spanking – her word, most teachers said, smack – she seemed to think I’d been rude, but I didn’t think I had – I had no idea why she decided I’d done something seriously enough wrong to justify punishment.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 8
Approximate year of punishment: 1985
Crime committed or alleged: Playing ‘Kiss Tiggy’

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Spanking
Number of strokes: 20
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bottom
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): shorts and underpants down
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: Two girls and three boys. The game was a form of tag, or chase, where boys chased the girls and girls chased the boys, and if you caught the other, you had to kiss them. It was expressly against the school rules, but for some reason, occasionally a game of it did break out. Somehow, I wound up at the end of the queue again and while I didn’t wind up humiliating myself (well, anymore than being spanked on the bare bottom did anyway), I still had a very hard time dealing with having to watch that happening and it was hard and long. There was always some special interest in seeing a girl getting spanked in that class, but here it just added terror to it all. And I remember thinking it was horribly unfair because there were other Grade 3 classes and kids from those classes had been playing the game as well, and none of them were being punished as severely as we were. This teacher really seemed to see this as a major offence. It was probably the equal most severe punishment she handed out all year.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 8
Approximate year of punishment: 1985
Crime committed or alleged: Playing with tap

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Spanking
Number of strokes: 12
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): shorts and underpants down
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I deserved this one but I think it was a bit severe for what I did. There was a sink at the back of the classroom, with a tap that leaked unless you turned it very tight. The dripping tap really annoyed our teacher and for some reason I found it amusing to keep making it drip. Eventually after about the tenth time she’d gone back to tighten it again, she worked out it wasn’t working loose by itself. She was unhappy and she made me even more unhappy.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 9
Approximate year of punishment: 1986
Crime committed or alleged: Stealing

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Head
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 3
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Touching toes
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): The Headmaster, the office lady and one other boy

About the school
Name of School: Grimwade House
Town: Caulfield, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: A friend and I found a wallet in the playground that contained about $400 – a fortune – and we kept it even though it contained ID showing who it belonged to (a parent) – even after an announcement was made asking for it, even after we were told at an assembly that keeping something you found when you knew who it belonged to was stealing. I think there was even some sort of preaching about it in chapel.

We had no effective way of spending the money – it was all $20 and $50 notes which were things we just didn’t have in our possession. So we split it in half and hid it in our desks, where it was found during a classroom lesson. The cane was the nuclear option – not used very often, but we were sent to see the Head who gave us a severe telling off followed by three strokes each of the cane. It hurt a lot more than I expected it to. And our parents were also told and I also got the worst hiding I’d ever had when I got home and another smacking at bedtime.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 10
Approximate year of punishment: 1987
Crime committed or alleged: Helping somebody cheat

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): In class
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Spanking with a hand
Number of strokes: 12-15
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): On shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I changed schools at the start of Grade 5 and the new school only started at that level, so we all came from a range of different schools with very different standards. They gave us a very hard test early in the year to work out where we all were, and I’d made a friend with a boy who came from a school with apparently much lower standards than the one I’d attended. The test worried him, he asked for help and I gave him some answers. We were caught. The teacher was actually pretty nice about it – explained that she knew I was just trying to be nice to a friend, but she needed to know where we were all up to so she could teach us properly, and you couldn’t cheat even for good reasons. She had to punish us. It wasn’t pain free, but it also wasn’t that hard. At least I didn’t think so, but I had a lot more experience of the idea than my new friend.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 10
Approximate year of punishment: 1987
Crime committed or alleged: Swearing

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 1
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing, hand out
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: I was more careful about not swearing in front of teachers

Any other relevant info: The strap hurt a lot more than I expected. I’d been taught contempt for it.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1988
Crime committed or alleged: Vandalism

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 2
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 1 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing, hand out
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: We were caught carving our initials into skirting boards that thousands of boys had carved their names into before. Not really seen as that big a deal.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1988
Crime committed or alleged: Having a skateboard at school and using it

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Spanking
Number of strokes: About 20
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Over knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): At lunchtime, only teacher and I in the room

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I pushed it – skateboards weren’t supposed to be brought to school, but when it was discovered, I was just told to make sure it stayed in my bag and went home. Using it at playtime was, honestly, stupid.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1988
Crime committed or alleged: Standing on seat

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 2
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 1 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing, hand out
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I tried to argue that I’d never seen a rule that said you couldn’t stand on a seat, but my arguments weren’t really given much attention.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1988
Crime committed or alleged: Bullying/Racism

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Class teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 3
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over with hands on knees.
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): at playtime in classroom

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: It was Australia’s bicentennial year, and they were stressing the history a lot. One boy in our class revealed he had aboriginal ancestry and I called him a racist name as a result. My parents were also informed and the only reason I didn’t get six of the best was because I convinced my teacher that my parents were sure to punish me severely when I got home – I was right. It was a horrible thing to do and I deserved to be punished more than most times.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1989
Crime committed or alleged: Theft

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Form Master
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class – deliberately and formally

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I pocketed some of the money we collected door to door in a weekend charity drive. I wasn’t the only one, but I was the only one who owned up and I wouldn’t give names. I got a severe strapping – six of the best – but in some ways I got off lightly compared to the other two boys from my class who everybody knew had also done it. They were treated with contempt by everybody. I was forgiven. Even my parents decided I’d been punished enough.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1989
Crime committed or alleged: Not getting lines signed

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Form Master
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 2
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 1 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing, hand out
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): At recess, alone in classroom

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: I was given 100 lines – “I must do what I am told when I am told to do it” with the instruction to get them signed by my parents. I did the lines, but didn’t get them signed. I explained to my Form Master that would have probably lead to a worse belting at home than anything I could get at school and that that was unfair because it didn’t happen to everybody. He agreed I had a point and let me off lightly – his opinion, anyway.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1989
Crime committed or alleged: Not attending detention

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Maths teacher (who was also Form Master of the form above mine)
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over chair
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): At lunchtime, only the two of us present

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: Similar situation to the one above it. I wagged the detention because the belting I’d have got at home was worse than the one I could get at school. This teacher, however, did not think that was a reason to let me off lightly – he gave me the worst strapping allowed and he gave me a letter to take home to get signed. I went to my own Form Master who talked to him, and he took the letter back.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1989
Crime committed or alleged: Arguing with instructions

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: PE Teacher
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Changing room
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Slipper
Number of strokes: 8
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Touching toes
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): PE uniform
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of class

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Any other relevant info: We were doing rotating sports for PE – different groups doing a different sport each week. This was meant to be my week to do Lacrosse (which I liked) but due to absences, he had to change the groups around and so I was told to do Rounders (which I hated). He didn’t like being argued with.
About You:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 13
Approximate year of punishment: 1990
Crime committed or alleged: Caught with stones in pocket, after people had been having stone fights

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Head
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Strap
Number of strokes: 2
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): 1 on each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Standing, hand out
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): Dressed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): With half a dozen other boys

About the school
Name of School: Burke Hall
Town: Kew, Melbourne, Victoria
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No

Any other relevant info: The Head seemed very annoyed we’d been sent to him – not at us, but at the teacher who had searched us, and then sent us. He seemed to think she was wrong to search us, and once she had, she should have dealt with her. He backed her up, but it was obvious to me that he was only doing it to back her up.
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Mar 02, 2011#213

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Lickings were quite common when I grew up in the mid-50s to early 60s in the northeastern United States, both at home and in Catholic girl schools. This is the worst licking I ever got in school:

About You:
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: fifteen
Approximate year of punishment: 1966
Crime committed or alleged: cheating. I was helping the other girl, not she helping me, but we both got the same punishment.

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Mother Superior (principal of the school)
Gender of staff member: female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): principal’s office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): willow switch
Number of strokes: six
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): four to bottom, one each to back of each thigh
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bent across desk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): skirt and slip up, but undies were left undisturbed
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): with principal’s secretary (another nun) present, and with the other girl who received the same punishment I did

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country: northeastern U.S.

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: It was the only time I ever cheated. That night I was also strapped on the bare by my dad, worst licking I ever got from him.
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Very effective. Later that year, I hadn’t studied for a very important test, and another girl offered to help me, but I remembered the switching and my dad’s strapping and wound up getting a 62 (D minus) in the test. Cheating just wasn’t worth the risk.

Any other relevant info: Judi (the other girl, the one I was helping) and I had to sit, for the rest of the day and all next day, on a bench by the main stairwell with each of us wearing a “CHEAT” sign on front of our blouses. I think this public humiliation may have been as the switching, and maybe even more so, but the two combined (and my dad’s strapping) were the perfect “cure” for any more cheating on my part. Also, Judi and I each had to cut a switch out in the willow grove by the schoolyard, so there was the added embarrassment of being seen from the windows as we walked back to the school with our switches.
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Donna

Mar 03, 2011#214

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You:
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: 9
Approximate year of punishment: 1965
Crime committed or alleged: being out of my chair while my teacher was out of the classroom

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): classroom

Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Hand smacking
Number of strokes: 10
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): over the knee
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): school knickers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class

About the school
Name of School: with held
Town: Yorkshire
Country: UK

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No-I was earnt another smacking for the same offence later in the year.

About You:
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1967
Crime committed or alleged: whispering while teacher was addressing the class

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Teacher
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): classroom

Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): slipper
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bending over chair
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): school knickers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): private

About the school
Name of School: with held
Town: Yorkshire
Country: UK

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: In a way, I was quiet when my teacher was addressing the class.

About You:
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: 14
Approximate year of punishment: 1970
Crime committed or alleged: out of bounds at recess

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Deputy Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bending hands on shins
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): school knickers
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): private

About the school
Name of School: with held
Town: Yorkshire
Country: UK

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: Yes
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes-I did not go out of bounds again

 

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Donna

Mar 04, 2011#215

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You:
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: 12
Approximate year of punishment: 1968
Crime committed or alleged: throwing some fruit during a fruit fight

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmaster
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 4
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): bending over
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): over skirt
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): private with a teacher present.

About the school
Name of School: with held
Town: Yorkshire
Country: UK

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes

Four girls received the cane and we were lined up, facing the wall with our hands on hour heads outside the Headmaster’s office. He called the boys into his office individually and caned them and then we received our punishment. It was horrible hearing the boys being caned knowing that we were going to be next. The boys received six strokes and we received four strokes but I was a sobbing mess after my punishment.
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Dan

Mar 04, 2011#216

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

Watcha All,
With ref to Robin’s survey, this one below from Lucy was a golden great, but if only we all knew more. Much more. Email addy too. Interesting.

One never gets the detail when something interesting pops up!!!

Brilliant little forum and group this one.
Well done peeps and to our moderator for all the hard work! Thank you

Wish we could all chat to Lucy!!! MMMM

Ta
from Dan…………….or desperate Dan!!!!

Robins School Survey April 2 2010, 10:30 PM

Hello, Robin,

My mame is Lucy Buckingham

In response to your survey, I submit my information

Any problems please email me:
lucybuckingham37@yahoo.co.uk

About You: Lucy Buckingham
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: 16
Approximate year of punishment: June 1982
Crime committed or alleged: Abusive to a science teacher, after she over reacted to a prank in the lab and I refused to go to her detention.

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmaster, Mr Gilchrist
Gender of staff member: Male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Headmasters office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 8
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In private office, with two other members of staff present

About the school
Name of School: St Thomas More Catholic School
Town: Bedford
Country: Bedfordshire

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: No

Any other relevant info: I was the first girl to be caned at the school, which opened in 1979. I was unhappy about it, as were my parents.

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

 

 

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Mar 05, 2011#217

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You: Tavi
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished: twelve
Approximate year of punishment: 1963
Crime committed or alleged: playing “catch” with blackboard eraser

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: our seventh grade teacher
Gender of staff member: female (nun)
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): heavy wooden yardstick
Number of strokes: one
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): standing
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): over skirt
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country: northeastern U.S.

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: yes, the very next week
Do you consider the punishment effective?: not this first time

Any other relevant info: Three other girls and I, all four of us were yardsticked and each of us also had to write a penance for homework, a one-hundred-word definition of a blackboard eraser, and have it signed by our parents. This was a very mild punishment, which I didn’t take seriously, and my parents obviously didn’t either because my only punishment at home was some extra housework for Saturday morning.

After our punishment, Sister warned the entire class, “God help the next girl who throws a blackboard eraser, because He’ll be the only one who can.” I did not take this warning seriously, though, because a single crack with a yardstick (unlike three or four with the dustbrush) was something joked about by girls like myself who were rather frequently in trouble.

 

About You: Tavi
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: twelve
Approximate year of punishment: 1963, just about a week after previous offense
Crime committed or alleged: playing “catch” with blackboard eraser

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: our seventh grade teacher
Gender of staff member: female (nun)
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): heavy wooden ruler
Number of strokes: I’m not sure. It just felt like Sister was smacking and smacking and smacking. It was probably not more than three or four (half dozen at absolute most) to each hand, but before she was even done with even one hand I was bawling like a baby and it felt like it was going on forever. It wasn’t just that my hand felt hot and heavy but like a jolt of electricity was going all the way up my arm through my elbow and all the way up to my shoulder. I just remember that it was really horrible.
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): fleshy palm of each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): standing, hand out, palm up. Sister gripped my hand tightly by the fingers so I couldn’t pull away.
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): not applicable. This licking was across the palm of the hand, so no change to state of dress would in any case have been needed.
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country: northeastern U.S.

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: absolutely NO
Do you consider the punishment effective?: this second time, absolutely YES, but only as far as throwing blackboard erasers was concerned.

Any other relevant info: The (one) other girl I got in trouble with this time was, as best I recall, one of the same girls I’d gotten in trouble for the same thing the previous week. After getting our hands rulered, we had to sit on our hands for the entire afternoon, sitting on the floor in the front of the classroom, which was extremely painful to hands that had already been rulered and was also painful to our backsides, with our knuckles digging into our backsides for some two-and-a-half hours. When school was dismissed, we had to go to the principal (Mother Superior) to have a “conduct conference” scheduled with our parents, and that meant my dad had to take a morning off from work. This got me one of the worst larruppings of my life from my dad, a bedtime strapping across my backside (nightie covering it, but the nightie wasn’t any real protection from my dad’s strap). I was also grounded until Thanksgiving.

This must have happened some time in October, because I remember that my grounding kept me from a Halloween party with my girlfriends. It was a real “God help you” kind of punishment, and I don’t think I ever even touched a blackboard eraser again in seventh or eighth grade without being told to by the teacher.

 

About You: Tavi
Gender: female
Approximate age when punished: twelve
Approximate year of punishment: 1963, some time after the “blackboard eraser” punishments
Crime committed or alleged: throwing spitballs

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: our seventh grade teacher
Gender of staff member: female (nun)
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): classroom
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): heavy wooden ruler
Number of strokes: as many and as hard as my second “blackboard eraser” punishment
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): fleshy palm of each hand
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): standing, hand out, palm up. Sister gripped my hand tightly by the fingers so I couldn’t pull away.
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): not applicable. This licking was across the palm of the hand, so no change to state of dress would in any case have been needed.
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of class

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country: northeastern U.S.

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: absolutely NO
Do you consider the punishment effective?: absolutely YES, but only as far as throwing spitballs was concerned.

Any other relevant info: This time I was the only girl who got in trouble, and like the last time, after getting my hands rulered, I had to sit on my hands for the entire afternoon, sitting on the floor in the front of the classroom, which was extremely painful to hands that had already been rulered and was also painful to my backside, with my knuckles digging into my backside for some two-and-a-half hours. Also, I was kept after school and had to make an awful lot of spitballs. I think it may have been a hundred, but I don’t remember precisely after all these years. I do remember how disgusting it was to keep putting all that paper into my mouth and getting them all spitty and rolling them up and having to keep lining them up on the blackboard chalk-ledge. I never wanted to make another spitball after that.

Being the only girl in trouble made it especially lonely, taking my punishment entirely by myself without a girlfriend to look over at out of the corner of our eyes, and not having anyone to talk about it with afterwards. Not that my girlfriends didn’t talk to me about it, but it wasn’t something that was shared with anyone, and that made it harder, which I’m sure had a lot to do with curing me of throwing spitballs.

At least I was not sent to Mother Superior this time, and there was no “conduct conference” with my parents. I think my dad must have been out of town on business, because I remember getting hair-brushed by my ma and given extra chores on Saturday morning, but it would have been a lot worse if my dad had given it to me, which makes me think he must not have been at home that time.
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Sally

Mar 06, 2011#218

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You: Sally
Gender: Female
Approximate age when punished:17
Approximate year of punishment: 1983
Crime committed or alleged: skipping pe
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: our games mistress
Gender of staff member: female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): change rooms
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): open hand
Number of strokes: 12
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): bottom/upper thighs
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): otk
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): over panties/bare thighs
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): in front of 3 other girls
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stephenhutchings

Mar 06, 2011#219

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

AGE WHEN PUNISHED : 13
YEAR : 1970
CRIME : THROWING SNOWBALLS TO NEAR TO SCHOOL BUILDINGS

ADMINISTERED BY : Mr SEDDON P.E MASTER
LOCATION : SAFFROOM / STOCKROOM
IMPLEMENT : PLIMSOLL
NUMBER OF STROKES : 6
ADMINISTERED TO : BOTTOM
POSITION : BENT OVER DESK
CLOTHING : TROUSERS
PRIVACY : PUNISHMENT ADMINISTERED IN STOCKROOM BUT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW TEACHERS IN
STAFFROOM AT TIME, MALE AND FEMALE PLUS Mr SEDDON LEFT STOCKROOM DOOR OPEN

NEVER PUNISHED FOR SAME OFFENCE AGAIN
PUNISHMENT VERY EFFECTIVE,EXTREMELY PAINFUL AS ALL OF Mr SEDDONS SLIPPERINGS TENDED TO BE

OTHER INFO : WE WERE WARNED NOT TO THROW SNOWBALLS NEAR TO BUILDINGS IN MORNING ASSEMBLEY.THERE WERE
A GROUP OF GIRLS STOOD NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING WHEN ONE OF THE OTHER BOYS BET ME
THAT I COULD,NT HIT THEM FROM WERE WE WERE STOOD,STUPIDLY I TOOK THAT CHALLENGE,NEXT THING
THERE WAS A RAPPING ON THE STAFFROOM WINDOW Mr SEDDON WAS SUMMONING ME.I REMEMBER WALKING
PAST THE GIRLS SOME OF WHOM WERE SMIRKING AND MAKING WHACKING NOISES AND YELLS THEY WERE
WELL AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BY THE WAY THE SNOWBALL MISSED

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Nathan

Mar 07, 2011#220

Corporal punishment survey

Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.

Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.

School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.

If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.

Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.

The information I’d love you to provide is the following:

About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):

About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:

Any other relevant info:

Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.

Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.

About You:
Gender: M
Approximate age when punished: 11
Approximate year of punishment: 1983
Crime committed or alleged: Flicking a pencil at a friend while teacher was out of the classroom

About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member: Headmistress
Gender of staff member: Female
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Office
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Hands
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): standing hand outstretched
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): school uniform
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In office with a girl present who had also misbehaved in the class

About the school
Name of School: Boronia Park
Town: NSW
Country: Australia

Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Yes as I did not flick a pencil at someone again.

Any other relevant info:
I remember that my right knee was shaking as I waited outside the Headmistress’ office with my hands on my head and nose to the wall. The girl who had also been misbehaving was standing next to me, she held the note from our teacher informing the Headmistress what we had done and requesting that we receive the cane (I read the note on the way which could have earnt me further punishment if I had been caught). I began rubbing my hands together as we were walking to the office and when the girl asked me why I was rubbing my hands together I told her that if your hands were warm the cane wouldn’t sting as much, she started rubbing her hands together.
We were summoned about ten minutes later and after the Headmistress had read the note she scolded us and told us that we were going to receive the cane. She flexed her cane three times and told my deskmate to hold her hand out, she began sobbing and didn’t hold her hand out so the headmistress held her wrists and metered out the strokes, giving her two strokes on each hand. I raised my hand when told and put my hand in my armpit after the first stroke landed. I was ordered to hold my hand which I did and the second stroke landed. My hand went back under my armpit and the headmistress held my wrist and delivered the third stroke to my right hand and she held my left wrist to deliver the remaining strokes. We walked back to class very sore and sorry for ourselves and the girl was sobbing, I was very close to tears but I managed to hold them back. I remember blushing when I entered the classroom because everyone knew that we had been caned. I got a scolding half an hour later for showing another boy my caned hands (you could see cane marks on my palms and fingertips) and telling him how many strokes I had received. My teacher asked me if I would like to visit the headmistress again. I croaked “No” and I was promptly told “No, Miss, young man” I croaked “No Miss” and was promptly told to work quietly or I would be making a repeat visit to the headmistress with her at lunch.