Although you didn’t respond to my post in this thread on March 15 2015 at 4:07 AM, I note that since then you’ve set yourself up what Network54 refer to as a personal picture, which may mean that happily you are still around reading the Forum. Fine looking animal by the way, and I assume that’s you in the saddle.
Although an acquaintance who used to earn her living breaking in horses assures me that they are quite nervous animals and not usually very clever, I’m very wary of them. I’ve had encounters in the countryside with all sorts of farm and domestic animals, some of them quite confrontational and threatening. But the only animals which have ever deliberately stalked me and utilised definite team-work to press home their ‘attack’ were horses.
Anyway, that’s an aside. Just to say that if you are still reading, I hope that you’ll find other threads you feel it worth contributing on.</div>
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Mar 31, 2015#343
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
About Jordan:
Gender: Male
Approximate age when punished: 17
Approximate year of punishment: 2015
Crime committed or alleged: Riding on baggage carrousel and breaching airport security
About the punishment
<s> Administered by Head, or Staff member: Coach
Gender of staff member: Macho male
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc): Dorm
Type of punishment (Cane, Slipper, Paddle etc): Cane
Number of strokes: 6
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc): Bottom
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc): Bending over chair
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc): On boxer shorts
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc): In front of whole team </s>
Excluded from the regatta and sent home in disgrace but the high court issued an interim injunction preventing the school from enforcing its decision. A bus ticket is being soaked in arm water ready for application later.
About the school
Name of School: Redacted Boys’ College
Town: Christchurch
Country: NZ
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?: No
Do you consider the punishment effective?: Too soon to tell but likely to reinforce a sense of privilege and entitlement.
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Mar 31, 2015#344
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
KK
Just imagine the damages they could get for your proposed remedy.
Possibly a culture gap …. it was only a stupid rowing carnival. If they had banned them from final exams they might have had a case.
As far as I am concerned the punishment was lenient, though the other boys who egged them on and photographed them should have been sent home too. Maybe the school should have called their bluff and cancelled the whole school’s participation, on the grounds that with such irresponsible students it was not possible to guarantee safety.
Unsurprisingly one of the fathers was a property developer …. and then add lawyers into the mix …. all my pet hates in one story.
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Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
…. and whilst I am way off topic I really liked this one.
A 9 year old had to sign a form saying that she would not speak to her parents about the Florida FSA test she did at school. This is her speech to the School Board. I am sure Renee would agree with her ….
http://www.upworthy.com/a-9-year-old-go … f-all-time
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Mar 31, 2015#346
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
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RebeccaTaylor
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Apr 25, 2015#347
Hi there,
I am a new contributor and apologise if my postings lacked detail.The school I went to was in Cardiff,Wales and was an all girls state school.I think 3 strokes was about right for a first offence. The cane was supposed to be a deterrent so had to be sufficient to act as such. I do agree that 6 for the second offence was too much. A second offence would usually result in 4 strokes so I feel 6 was excessive given the offence.The cane was used only by the Head or Deputy Head but in theory any teacher could use the slipper. No more than 6 whacks across the bottom. I never knew of a teacher using the slipper though. It seemed to be all about the cane.The school was run on very strict disciplinary lines more akin to the 1950s rather than the more liberal 1970s when I was there. Nonetheless I dont hold any resentment towards the school as it was a part of growing up in that era. It did not do me any harm.
I hope this is OK for you but happy to answer anything further you may wish to ask.
Kind regards,
Becki
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Apr 26, 2015#348
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello Rebecca,
And thank you for responding to my queries so comprehensively.
You said:
Your original posts on March 28th and 29th in the thread above were certainly not lacking in detail, and you need make no apology for them. They were in fact fully compliant with the Survey questions as formatted back in 2010 when the survey thread was initiated. However the additional information you have helpfully provided in your latest contribution puts your experiences more into context.
You also said:
The ‘more liberal 1970s’ may not necessarily have been more liberal as regards the corporal punishment of girls. We had a contributor who considered that contrary to the popular view, SCP of girls was still widespread in the 1970s, motivated by a number of factors including an increasing belief that girls and boys should be treated equally in all aspects of education, including SCP. His views have since been echoed by others here. Obviously as your school was girls only there was no question of direct comparison with the way boys were punished, but the spirit of the age may have influenced your Headmistress, who would probably have a considerable influence over the school’s CP policy.
The lack of slipperings despite the theoretical availability of the slipper as a punishment is interesting. A point made by the same contributor I referenced above may be relevant. He argued that the slipper was very much the implement of male teachers, who in mixed schools could often, if so inclined, slipper girls on the same basis as boys without arousing suspicions that their behaviour was motivated by anything other than disciplinary considerations. In a girls school like yours that factor would be largely if not totally absent, along with the motivation to slipper. Certainly, other than gym mistresses, a breed apart, like their male equivalent, I don’t recall many accounts here of female teachers using the slipper.
As noted above, I hope that you will find it worthwhile to contribute your opinions in other threads here. Should you find yourself visiting the Forum again and having time available, there are a couple points regarding your canings which I, and possibly others, would find of interest:
I was never caned at school, but I have heard and seen many accounts by those who were. Opinions seem to differ as to the relative severity of an increasing number of strokes. Can you recall if you found your six stroke caning a very significantly more painful and distressing experience than the three strokes a year or so earlier please?
Observation leads me to wonder if differences of experience in this respect are related to how prolonged the punishment was. Did your Headmistress cane fairly quickly, or did she, as one of our female contributors put it, pause between the strokes to allow the pain to sink in? </div>
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Apr 26, 2015#349
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
Firstly I would like to say that you are lucky not to have been caned at school. It was not a very pleasant experience to say the least.
To answer your point about the difference in pain level between my 2 canings I would have to say that the 2nd was considerably more painful not just because of the number of strokes being doubled from 3 to 6 but for the type of cane used. The Head had a number of canes to choose from depending on the age of the girl being punished and the number of previous offences she had been punished for.For example there was a certain cane used to punish girls in Forms 1,2 and 3 who were considered junior girls which was lighter than one used on girls in Forms 4,5 and 6 who were considered senior girls. Within that there were different types of cane used for the number of offences. So for my second offence although I was still a junior girl the cane was thicker than for my first offence. All very scientific.
The Head tended to not leave much time between strokes so it was over quite quickly and not a long drawn out affair. I dont know if that was better than waiting a long time between strokes as I cant compare the 2 methods.
Becki
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Apr 28, 2015#350
Corporal punishment survey
Hi, I don’t know if this forum can help, but I’m trying to put together some realistic data regarding the use of corporal punishment in schools.
Reading this and other internet sources of information it is clearly very hard to distinguish between genuine accounts of CP, peoples fantasies, and role play.
School punishment books are difficult to find, or access. When they are available they only show the information that the establishments wished to disclose. They also only reflect official punishments, generally administered by the Head, consequentially they are not very representative of the general use of CP within schools.
If I study references in the media, the reports are generally only written when the incident was questionably outside the law. In England where I live, and indeed went to school, corporal punishment was legally practiced up until 1986. Therefore there would be no reason for the media to cover anything except the unusual.
Many of us however have witnessed (often first hand) the use of corporal punishment at school. If you have (as indeed have I) I’d be very grateful if you’d reply to this post giving as much accurate information as you feel comfortable with. However to keep this thread out of the realm of fantasy, I’d ask that you only post facts, and leave the creative writing and long discussions to other forums.
The information I’d love you to provide is the following:
About You:
Gender:
Approximate age when punished:
Approximate year of punishment:
Crime committed or alleged:
About the punishment
Administered by Head, or Staff member:
Gender of staff member:
Location punished (Classroom, Office, Hallway etc):
Type of punishment (Cane,Slipper,Paddle etc):
Number of strokes:
Applied to (Hand, Bottom, Legs etc):
Position adopted (Standing, Bending over Chair, Desk etc):
State of dress (Over Trousers/Skirt, panties, bare etc):
Privacy (In private, In front of Class, With another teacher etc):
About the school
Name of School:
Town:
Country:
Effectiveness
Were you ever punished again for the same offence?:
Do you consider the punishment effective?:
Any other relevant info:
Many thanks for your participation. I will reply to this post myself with the details of the CP I received.
Note: I see no reason why schools should not be named as they were operating completely within the law.
<div style=”width:100%;background-image:url(“/realm/A_L_123/A_L_trg.gif”);”>Hello Rebecca,
Thank you for another comprehensive (and very prompt) response to my queries. Things must have been quite complicated when a girl at your school was sent to the Headmistress to be caned, as in addition to the actual offence both the girl’s age (or rather her Form) and her previous disciplinary record would need to be considered to determine the cane to be used and the number of strokes to be given.
If I may please, a few more queries if you have time:
With regard to the disciplinary procedures at your school you said in your earlier (April 25 2015, 11:16 AM) response:
Reading between the lines, that suggests that the cane was used quite a lot. Was that the case please? If so, do you have any idea of roughly what proportion of pupils would get caned at least once during their time at the school? I appreciate that may be a little difficult to recall. An easier assessment might be whether having been caned twice while still a Junior marked you out as a really naughty girl in the eyes of the staff and other pupils, or would there have been sufficient other girls in your year who’d been caned to make it fairly unexceptional?
I presume that a punishment book was used to record canings. Was this filled in in your presence at the time you were caned? Also were you told by the Headmistress how many strokes you were to receive before the caning began please?
Were all canings conducted in the same way as you describe for yours please? That is to say in private, on the bottom over normal school uniform, bending over a desk in the Headmistress’s (or Deputy Headmistress’s) office? Or were there sometimes variations in how and where canings were carried out? For instance on the hand(s), or in front of a class or year group, or the whole school?
When I noted that I had never been caned you said:
As regards the latter part of your comment, so I understand, but then it wasn’t meant to be! I was at school in the late 1940s and the 1950s, when being caned was practically a rite of passage for boys, though possibly girls were not caned as often then as in later years. That I escaped being caned was undoubtedly partly due to luck, as you observe. Principally though it was because of an experience towards the end of Infant School. Together with a number of other boys and girls involved in a minor playground misdemeanor I got a rather painful and prolonged leg smacking from an officious lady teacher in front of her class of older children.
Although only a little lad at the time, I decided that the loss of control and the indignity involved in being in receipt of school CP in front of an audience wasn’t at all to my taste, and I determined to avoid it in future! A combination of good behaviour and low cunning, plus the aforementioned luck, meant that I succeeded in this apart from a minor slippering in Junior School.
The only time I saw a cane in my entire school career was when, early in my time at my boys only Secondary School, I was up before the Prefects Court for running in a quadrangle where only walking was allowed. Although other Masters used a variety of implements to administer CP at that school, the Prefects and the Headmaster were the only ones who caned, the Prefects considerably more often than the Headmaster.
As a symbol of their authority the Prefects used to display a cane on the table in their weekly court, and eyeing it with some apprehension I was mighty glad when I heard that I was only getting lines. The idea of touching my toes to be caned by a large and muscular member of the school’s First XV Rugby squad in front of a dozen or so other Prefects didn’t appeal to me at all, even though they were limited to three strokes!</div>