Halliwell
Mar 12, 2006#41
Dave wrote:
Getting caned taught me that getting caned hurts. A lot. And I learned that if you want to avoid getting hurt then you’d better buckle down, follow the rules and go with the flow.
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Getting paddled taught me that getting paddled hurts. A Lot. And I learned that if you want to avoid getting hurt then you’d better get better at not getting caught at the things that will get you paddled. Be a sneak. If in danger of being discovered, blame others and lie as much as necessary to get out of it.
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Dave wrote:
Those lessons haven’t done me any harm … except for turning me into a dirty old pervert that hangs out in corporal punishment forums and looks at pictures of bruised bottoms. Like the rest of you.
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Oh yeah, that too.
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KathrynP
Mar 27, 2006#42
Although it is hard to predict the future i should think it is safe to say that corporal punishment will never make a return to British schools. However, if suppose for the sake of argument it was to be reintroduced again , in what circumstances should it be used? Only for serious offences or for small misdemeanours? Who should be allowed to punish? Only the head? Only a person of the same sex as the child? Should a child ever be punished on the bottom? Or in exceptional circumstances the bare bottom? Should only boys be punished? I should be interested to hear your views.
I personally think it should return to our schools. But I think it should only be administered by the headteacher, as I believe then it would only be used as a last resort as it would be fair to say that teachers would not send each pupil to the headmaster for every minor thing.
I think both boys and girls should recieve it equally, across the bottom, caning the hand always seemed a little barbaric to me (I don’t know why). But I think a cane is too severe for primary school pupils, I think a slipper would be appropriate for under 11’s then the cane after that age. Never on a bare bottom though, too severe and too many accusations of peadophilisms and that.
I beleive that corporal punishment would act as a huge detterent, as when kids run amok in schools now, what can anyone actually do to them? Exclude them? that just seems to make the problems of anti social behaviour and segrigation worse.
I cannot see it making a comeback in the near future, or even in my life time, as usual a small minority of do-gooders changed the rules much to this country’s detriment. I can only speak for my personal circle of friends (who are all early to mid twenties) and we are all pro corporal punishment and most people I’ve ever been in a conversation are. But of course governments don’t work for the people, and support what they want!
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Guest
Mar 27, 2006#43
“I think both boys and girls should recieve it equally, across the bottom, caning the hand always seemed a little barbaric to me (I don’t know why).”
Presumably you are willing to have your own children undergo this – which might suit you in the short-term. But what about the longer term? “Dave”, in one post in this thread, says:
“Getting caned taught me that getting caned hurts. A lot. And I learned that if you want to avoid getting hurt then you’d better buckle down, follow the rules and go with the flow. Those lessons haven’t done me any harm … except for turning me into a dirty old pervert that hangs out in corporal punishment forums and looks at pictures of bruised bottoms. Like the rest of you.”
Do you fancy your own son as a dirty old pervert fifty years from now? Do you want to find copies of spanking mags under his bed when he’s still a teenager? How will you balance the benefits against the drawbacks?
Rangy Strider
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Geoff
Mar 27, 2006#44
I personally think it should return to our schools. But I think it should only be administered by the headteacher, as I believe then it would only be used as a last resort as it would be fair to say that teachers would not send each pupil to the headmaster for every minor thing.
I think both boys and girls should recieve it equally, across the bottom, caning the hand always seemed a little barbaric to me (I don’t know why). But I think a cane is too severe for primary school pupils, I think a slipper would be appropriate for under 11’s then the cane after that age. Never on a bare bottom though, too severe and too many accusations of peadophilisms and that.
I beleive that corporal punishment would act as a huge detterent, as when kids run amok in schools now, what can anyone actually do to them? Exclude them? that just seems to make the problems of anti social behaviour and segrigation worse.
I cannot see it making a comeback in the near future, or even in my life time, as usual a small minority of do-gooders changed the rules much to this country’s detriment. I can only speak for my personal circle of friends (who are all early to mid twenties) and we are all pro corporal punishment and most people I’ve ever been in a conversation are. But of course governments don’t work for the people, and support what they want!
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In my experience the majority of women – most of whom never received it – are opposed to school cp, while the majority of men – most of whom did – are mildly in favour. Interesting that.
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Lotta Nonsense
Mar 27, 2006#45
Yes, Geoff – and the reason KathrynP is in favour of CP is that ‘she’ is a middle-aged man pretending (badly) to be a 22/23-year old woman.
Wake up, forum members!
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Mar 27, 2006#46
I am willing to give KathrynP the benefit of the doubt. She has been more forthcoming about herself than most of the posters on this forum. I don’t agree with her position on a return of CP in schools, but I think she is who she claims to be. If she had been subject to CP at school, she might not be so quick to advocate it’s return.
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KathrynP
Mar 27, 2006#47
“I think both boys and girls should recieve it equally, across the bottom, caning the hand always seemed a little barbaric to me (I don’t know why).”
Presumably you are willing to have your own children undergo this – which might suit you in the short-term. But what about the longer term? “Dave”, in one post in this thread, says:
“Getting caned taught me that getting caned hurts. A lot. And I learned that if you want to avoid getting hurt then you’d better buckle down, follow the rules and go with the flow. Those lessons haven’t done me any harm … except for turning me into a dirty old pervert that hangs out in corporal punishment forums and looks at pictures of bruised bottoms. Like the rest of you.”
Do you fancy your own son as a dirty old pervert fifty years from now? Do you want to find copies of spanking mags under his bed when he’s still a teenager? How will you balance the benefits against the drawbacks?
Rangy Strider
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Being corporally punished at school does not automatically make you a pervert! Alot of people aged 25 and above have some experience of corporal punishment, does that mean they are all obsessed with it in a sexual way, you are being very small minded to make such a sweeping generaisation.
I believe that it would be good for any children I may have in the future,good when there gaining a P.h. D or getting promoted in their jobs, because they recieved a good education because the classes weren’t constantly interuppted by other pupils, because the teachers can’t actually do anything about it.
If any child of mine was a spanking enthusisast quite frankly it would be none of my business, and what they do in their own bedrooms in their own time (as long as it was legal) is no concewrn of mine.
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KathrynP
Mar 27, 2006#48
I am willing to give KathrynP the benefit of the doubt. She has been more forthcoming about herself than most of the posters on this forum. I don’t agree with her position on a return of CP in schools, but I think she is who she claims to be. If she had been subject to CP at school, she might not be so quick to advocate it’s return.
Hi Bob,
No I never recieved corporal punishment at School but I did at home.
I would hate to make assumptions about you but I assume you are older than me? And you were from a different era than me, where children actually appreciated the value of getting a good education and good manners etc etc.
We are offered a wealth of opportunities today as young people, we could all virtuaLLY do anything we wanted, this is something that some young people do not appreciate.
I’m not saying that bringing back corporal punishment would instantly change that, but at least it would make an attempt to discourage other selfish pupils from disrupting the classes of people who do weant to learn.
Its not fair that teachers can’t actually do anything of any use to punish offenders, make them write lines? They won’t do it, sent them outside? what does that achieve, they’ll just leave the school and then get excluded.
That creates a constant cycle of unemployment, poverty etc.
Hasn’t anyone else noticed a correlation of antisocial behaviour, crime increases, pupils getting excluded etc. since it has been banned?
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Chirob
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Mar 27, 2006#49
Yes Kathyrn I am much older than you. I can tell you that teachers who freely used cp in their classrooms, ruled through fear and intimidation. I know how you feel about disruptive students, however cp is not the answer. Also, kids who didn’t want to be in school left as soon as they could legally. CP just insured they left ASAP.
Your argument doesn’t hold water, but I don’t feel I can convince you because telling someone about abuse just doesn’t carry the same weight as living through it.
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KathrynP
Mar 27, 2006#50
Hi Bob
I think you’ll find if you read my previous posts properly that I never said that corporal punishment should be bought back into the classrooms, I said I think it should be administered by a headteacher. You did misread one of my previous posting so I would encourage you to make sure you completely understand what you read and get your facts straight before you comment on it.
With regard to saying my argument does not hold water, that is not fair, I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are, it does hold water, I could say the exact same thing about yours, but I have respect for others opinions, just because you are older than me it does not make you automatically right.
I think you’ll also find that I never said I thought bringing back corporal punishment would make people stay at school, what I said was, it will be a deterrent for people to keep unfairly interupting/disrupting lessons for people who DO want to be there.
So again, please read my posts properly if you are going to comment on them
Thanks
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