I have followed the link over from Abby`s site and read the threads,good to see that “The Jay” is roosting here and “Jockie” is firing electrons accross Hadrians Wall also a number of other familiar names but I have not yet spoken to George.
My question Sir,(it seems only right to call George sir)is from where did you get your cane.
When I was at Junior school the cane was from the Head`s garden shed a straight bamboo garden cane about 36″x 1/4″.
When I moved to Grammar School I asked other boys about their Junior school canes (I had a morbid interest in this subject 40+ years ago).Everyone I spoke with said their Junior schools used garden canes except one chap who said his junior school used a green pea stick about 12″x1/8″ the deterent effect being thah a boy condemmed to this rather pathetic instrument had to take it to a very young and pretty lady teacher and ask her to smack him with it,the humiliation being the punishment (wonder how many of these lads are now in therapy or visit sites like this?).
At Grammar school a 3 foot x 1/2″ straight rattan was kept in the staffroom,I never saw the Heads cane and the Deputy Head used a billiard cue with the metal tip sawn off!
In my 13 odd years in the education system I never saw a crook handled cane like they showed in the comics or in T.V. shows like “Whacko” .
It was not until I made my first visit to a London brothel that I saw a “school cane”,the lady of the house said that she bought them from the umbrella shop in New Oxford Street.
So my eventual question to George is :did you use a garden cane,or were you provided with a specialist article, or did you have to find your own?
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Jockie
Jun 19, 2002#2
Hi Enthusiast……..welcome to the posh site ( though jay and I are doing our best to bring it doon to oor level!
And on that note, I am very tempted to make the “connection” between billiard cue and them dangly things LOL. Eh dear, ahm away fer a lie doon!
Jockie
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Simon
Jun 20, 2002#3
I have followed the link over from Abby`s site and read the threads,good to see that “The Jay” is roosting here and “Jockie” is firing electrons accross Hadrians Wall also a number of other familiar names but I have not yet spoken to George.
My question Sir,(it seems only right to call George sir)is from where did you get your cane.
When I was at Junior school the cane was from the Head`s garden shed a straight bamboo garden cane about 36″x 1/4″.
When I moved to Grammar School I asked other boys about their Junior school canes (I had a morbid interest in this subject 40+ years ago).Everyone I spoke with said their Junior schools used garden canes except one chap who said his junior school used a green pea stick about 12″x1/8″ the deterent effect being thah a boy condemmed to this rather pathetic instrument had to take it to a very young and pretty lady teacher and ask her to smack him with it,the humiliation being the punishment (wonder how many of these lads are now in therapy or visit sites like this?).
At Grammar school a 3 foot x 1/2″ straight rattan was kept in the staffroom,I never saw the Heads cane and the Deputy Head used a billiard cue with the metal tip sawn off!
In my 13 odd years in the education system I never saw a crook handled cane like they showed in the comics or in T.V. shows like “Whacko” .
It was not until I made my first visit to a London brothel that I saw a “school cane”,the lady of the house said that she bought them from the umbrella shop in New Oxford Street.
So my eventual question to George is :did you use a garden cane,or were you provided with a specialist article, or did you have to find your own?
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Hi Enthusiast
Have a look at this page: http://www.corpun.com/uksc9405.htm
I also read of a business in Brighton who also used to supply the “teaching profession” with the necessary tools up to abolition.
Rather like you, at my school it was just an ordinary length of garden bamboo. I think it takes a headteacher with a certain mentality to buy implements especially for the job!
Simon
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derry
Jun 20, 2002#4
At schools I taught in, the canes came from the local blind institute which had a cane furniture workshop. They only supplied schools.
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jay
Jun 20, 2002#5
Hi Enthusiast
Have a look at this page: http://www.corpun.com/uksc9405.htm
I also read of a business in Brighton who also used to supply the “teaching profession” with the necessary tools up to abolition.
Rather like you, at my school it was just an ordinary length of garden bamboo. I think it takes a headteacher with a certain mentality to buy implements especially for the job!
Simon
I thought my prescence elevated the site.
At least my posts can be understood lol
Just flitting in and out.
regards
jay
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joe
Jun 20, 2002#6
Hi Enthusiast
Have a look at this page: http://www.corpun.com/uksc9405.htm
I also read of a business in Brighton who also used to supply the “teaching profession” with the necessary tools up to abolition.
Rather like you, at my school it was just an ordinary length of garden bamboo. I think it takes a headteacher with a certain mentality to buy implements especially for the job!
Simon
From what I remember someone visited the school on a regular basis with educational equipment/supplies. Not sure who selected the canes but it must have been an interesting job!
Joe
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Tim
Jun 20, 2002#7
I have followed the link over from Abby`s site and read the threads,good to see that “The Jay” is roosting here and “Jockie” is firing electrons accross Hadrians Wall also a number of other familiar names but I have not yet spoken to George.
My question Sir,(it seems only right to call George sir)is from where did you get your cane.
When I was at Junior school the cane was from the Head`s garden shed a straight bamboo garden cane about 36″x 1/4″.
When I moved to Grammar School I asked other boys about their Junior school canes (I had a morbid interest in this subject 40+ years ago).Everyone I spoke with said their Junior schools used garden canes except one chap who said his junior school used a green pea stick about 12″x1/8″ the deterent effect being thah a boy condemmed to this rather pathetic instrument had to take it to a very young and pretty lady teacher and ask her to smack him with it,the humiliation being the punishment (wonder how many of these lads are now in therapy or visit sites like this?).
At Grammar school a 3 foot x 1/2″ straight rattan was kept in the staffroom,I never saw the Heads cane and the Deputy Head used a billiard cue with the metal tip sawn off!
In my 13 odd years in the education system I never saw a crook handled cane like they showed in the comics or in T.V. shows like “Whacko” .
It was not until I made my first visit to a London brothel that I saw a “school cane”,the lady of the house said that she bought them from the umbrella shop in New Oxford Street.
So my eventual question to George is :did you use a garden cane,or were you provided with a specialist article, or did you have to find your own?
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The shop in Brighton someone mentioned was actually in Bognor (well they both begin with B and are on the south coast). It had the innocuous name of The Beach Stores but its owner, Eric Huntingdon, did a roaring trade in selling canes and other implements of discipline, as well as leaflets explaining their use, to parents and teachers as well as CP enthusiasts like me. I never went to the shop but I have this vision of bundles of canes hanging up with the buckets and spades!
In the 1960s and 70s, most schools will have obtained their canes from the same source from which they got their exercise books and other consummables – the specialist educational supply wholesalers, often run by consortia of local authorities. However, where the wholesalers got their canes and straps is an interesting question.
Tim
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George
Jun 20, 2002#8
I have followed the link over from Abby`s site and read the threads,good to see that “The Jay” is roosting here and “Jockie” is firing electrons accross Hadrians Wall also a number of other familiar names but I have not yet spoken to George.
My question Sir,(it seems only right to call George sir)is from where did you get your cane.
When I was at Junior school the cane was from the Head`s garden shed a straight bamboo garden cane about 36″x 1/4″.
When I moved to Grammar School I asked other boys about their Junior school canes (I had a morbid interest in this subject 40+ years ago).Everyone I spoke with said their Junior schools used garden canes except one chap who said his junior school used a green pea stick about 12″x1/8″ the deterent effect being thah a boy condemmed to this rather pathetic instrument had to take it to a very young and pretty lady teacher and ask her to smack him with it,the humiliation being the punishment (wonder how many of these lads are now in therapy or visit sites like this?).
At Grammar school a 3 foot x 1/2″ straight rattan was kept in the staffroom,I never saw the Heads cane and the Deputy Head used a billiard cue with the metal tip sawn off!
In my 13 odd years in the education system I never saw a crook handled cane like they showed in the comics or in T.V. shows like “Whacko” .
It was not until I made my first visit to a London brothel that I saw a “school cane”,the lady of the house said that she bought them from the umbrella shop in New Oxford Street.
So my eventual question to George is :did you use a garden cane,or were you provided with a specialist article, or did you have to find your own?
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I found the comments on canes rather interesting. It again shows the
great diversity on everything concerning that subject. I do not doubt
a billiard cue was used, but was it a billiard cue or the popular
blackboard pointer which was like a billiard cue but not so heavy.
In my view even the blackboard point was dangerous to use. On the
hands of a junior pupil, even a light tap on the on the hand could
strike the fingers and break them and if used with any force would
certainly badly bruise the bottom or may cause pelvic damage.
Garden canes were very popular for caning. I never used one and their
use certainly decreased after 1950. Garden canes were completely unsuitable.
They could break while being used and cases exist where the cane split
and pinched the flesh. The worse thing was, and while taking boys
to sports matches, you saw the marks on boys in the showers who had
been caned, maybe a few days before with a garden cane (at home or
school). The marks had to be seen to be believed. Garden cane has
notches and when used on the bottom cut, and I mean cut, into the
buttocks.
After 1950, give or take a few years the LAE would provide a cane
or the Board of the School had to sanction the suitability of any
cane. Please remember that at least twice a year the year had to produce
the Punishment Book to the Board which signed it and inspected the
cane. One of the main cases against the cane was the horrific marks
it could leave on a childs bottom, be it bared or covered. The trouble
was parents in the 1960 era that complained about the cane, often
had not realised that while it was still called a cane, it did not
leave the severe marks like it did when they were are school. Like
some people on this site things were judge out of time context.
I do not know what you mean by a “certain mentality” Simon, but I,
and indeed most heads I knew took care to select a cane, that while
hurting in the sense of sting did not cause lasting injury or prolonged
discomfort ( a few days..that was not the idea) In the 1920,s certain
expressions were used, so true and some as a carry over from mid Victorian
days.
The expression “cuts” with the cane, sadly from my own backside did
mean what it said. When your bottom was caned each stroke would cut
or graze your bottom and the saying “you will not be able to sit down
for the rest of the day” did have real meaning, and “not sit down
for a week” also had meaning that the bottom would still be a little
tender a week later. For interest the expression “six of the best”
was Victorian. Of course six indicated the strokes, but the Victorians
could not brink themselves to “say on the bare bottom” so described
it as “of the best”I think one of the key facts was if parents saw the marks. I think,
my view, and can do little to prove it, that caning in boarding schools
tended to be far more severe than at State and day private schools.
Parents did not see the marks until they had faded or gone completely.
It has to be remembered it was the marks the cane left, rather than
moral issues, that questioned to use of the cane.
Even in 1940, the marks caused by a garden cane would not have been
tolerated in my school. Parents were in full support of the cane and
to do it bare. They would accept that it marked and left the bottom
a little sore but not deep cuts and grazes like with a garden cane.
As a head you had a duty to your pupils to use something that was
effective but not over drastic.
I used a rattan cane. You could get then in various thicknesses. I
always had a thin one, as this is all that was needed to generate
enough sting to correct when used on bare bottoms. Being thin and
flexible, this did hurt but did little more than redden the buttocks.
I know heads that did use it over trousers, and to get the “desired”
sting used a thicker rattan. As these were used harder, being over
clothing, some bruising and in cases small grazes did result but not
like with a garden cane. I do think when I saw I caned, members have
the picture of the type of marks that were left after the most severe
canings done in later years, rightly got in the news, and came mainly
from the use of a garden cane. I think the cane I had in 1940 was
about 28 inches with curved handle and about 1/4 inch in diameter.
It would bend 360 degrees. As times changed about 1955 I got some
new canes (they last a lifetime) and were about 26 inches long and
under 1/4 inch in diameter. Very flexible, and did really sting but
“only” left a bright red line on the bottom unless two strokes landed
in the same place. A garden cane always left a mauve line with the
bottom being grazed and tender for a couple of days. Members may find
it hard to understand, but where I taught, they had no objections
to punishment being done bare, but they would not tolerate a punishment
that left their sons sore for days. It had to be short and sharp.
To answer the question. Yes, I did get my own canes. You could get
them from any cane importer. I had a small firm. long closed and they
would curve the handle. Curving the handle was done by a long soaking
in water, bending it into shape and heating it. I know in 1970 their
was the Bognor Cane Company in Bognor Regis that sold these by mail
order. They did advertise them both for school and home use. This
was later sold and moved to Exeter. Since then I know nothing of them.
George
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Jockie
Jun 21, 2002#9
I thought my prescence elevated the site.
At least my posts can be understood lol
Just flitting in and out.
regards
jay
Yes it elevates it too jay. In fact your presence raises and lowers the tone as per your aircraft looping the loop!
Of course people understand my accent, and my spelling is always spot on.
The fact that you made a complete cue up of your version of “prescence” leads me to wonder if you and George are one?
Cum oan man admit it……whaur did ye teach, whauar were ye heid-maister…..cum oan…..name them skills…..publish an be damned!!
Dearie me…awa tae look out another mouse clicking email fer ye jay!
Jockie.
PS. When ur ye cummin up here wi ma pint?
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joe
Jun 21, 2002#10
I found the comments on canes rather interesting. It again shows the
great diversity on everything concerning that subject. I do not doubt
a billiard cue was used, but was it a billiard cue or the popular
blackboard pointer which was like a billiard cue but not so heavy.
In my view even the blackboard point was dangerous to use. On the
hands of a junior pupil, even a light tap on the on the hand could
strike the fingers and break them and if used with any force would
certainly badly bruise the bottom or may cause pelvic damage.
Garden canes were very popular for caning. I never used one and their
use certainly decreased after 1950. Garden canes were completely unsuitable.
They could break while being used and cases exist where the cane split
and pinched the flesh. The worse thing was, and while taking boys
to sports matches, you saw the marks on boys in the showers who had
been caned, maybe a few days before with a garden cane (at home or
school). The marks had to be seen to be believed. Garden cane has
notches and when used on the bottom cut, and I mean cut, into the
buttocks.
After 1950, give or take a few years the LAE would provide a cane
or the Board of the School had to sanction the suitability of any
cane. Please remember that at least twice a year the year had to produce
the Punishment Book to the Board which signed it and inspected the
cane. One of the main cases against the cane was the horrific marks
it could leave on a childs bottom, be it bared or covered. The trouble
was parents in the 1960 era that complained about the cane, often
had not realised that while it was still called a cane, it did not
leave the severe marks like it did when they were are school. Like
some people on this site things were judge out of time context.
I do not know what you mean by a “certain mentality” Simon, but I,
and indeed most heads I knew took care to select a cane, that while
hurting in the sense of sting did not cause lasting injury or prolonged
discomfort ( a few days..that was not the idea) In the 1920,s certain
expressions were used, so true and some as a carry over from mid Victorian
days.
The expression “cuts” with the cane, sadly from my own backside did
mean what it said. When your bottom was caned each stroke would cut
or graze your bottom and the saying “you will not be able to sit down
for the rest of the day” did have real meaning, and “not sit down
for a week” also had meaning that the bottom would still be a little
tender a week later. For interest the expression “six of the best”
was Victorian. Of course six indicated the strokes, but the Victorians
could not brink themselves to “say on the bare bottom” so described
it as “of the best”I think one of the key facts was if parents saw the marks. I think,
my view, and can do little to prove it, that caning in boarding schools
tended to be far more severe than at State and day private schools.
Parents did not see the marks until they had faded or gone completely.
It has to be remembered it was the marks the cane left, rather than
moral issues, that questioned to use of the cane.
Even in 1940, the marks caused by a garden cane would not have been
tolerated in my school. Parents were in full support of the cane and
to do it bare. They would accept that it marked and left the bottom
a little sore but not deep cuts and grazes like with a garden cane.
As a head you had a duty to your pupils to use something that was
effective but not over drastic.
I used a rattan cane. You could get then in various thicknesses. I
always had a thin one, as this is all that was needed to generate
enough sting to correct when used on bare bottoms. Being thin and
flexible, this did hurt but did little more than redden the buttocks.
I know heads that did use it over trousers, and to get the “desired”
sting used a thicker rattan. As these were used harder, being over
clothing, some bruising and in cases small grazes did result but not
like with a garden cane. I do think when I saw I caned, members have
the picture of the type of marks that were left after the most severe
canings done in later years, rightly got in the news, and came mainly
from the use of a garden cane. I think the cane I had in 1940 was
about 28 inches with curved handle and about 1/4 inch in diameter.
It would bend 360 degrees. As times changed about 1955 I got some
new canes (they last a lifetime) and were about 26 inches long and
under 1/4 inch in diameter. Very flexible, and did really sting but
“only” left a bright red line on the bottom unless two strokes landed
in the same place. A garden cane always left a mauve line with the
bottom being grazed and tender for a couple of days. Members may find
it hard to understand, but where I taught, they had no objections
to punishment being done bare, but they would not tolerate a punishment
that left their sons sore for days. It had to be short and sharp.
To answer the question. Yes, I did get my own canes. You could get
them from any cane importer. I had a small firm. long closed and they
would curve the handle. Curving the handle was done by a long soaking
in water, bending it into shape and heating it. I know in 1970 their
was the Bognor Cane Company in Bognor Regis that sold these by mail
order. They did advertise them both for school and home use. This
was later sold and moved to Exeter. Since then I know nothing of them.
George
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Another well constructed reply from George.
Would you plese explain why you had the curved handle created on your canes, was it just to enable them to hung up or did it improve the effectiveness of them in some way?
The ones used on me at school were straight, but the cane my mother was supplied with had the curved handle.This was left hanging behind my bedroom door as a constant reminder of the result of breaking her rules.